Sonic vs Mario

[DarkBahamut]

Are there any users on this forum that love Sonic much more than Mario Bros?

I know Super Mario Bros. is a classic and most likely the most popularized game on Earth, but I honestly think the original Sonic games were better. (Particularly Sonic the Hedgehog 2) They are both 2-D, continuously running across the screen games, and obviously Mario is older so it has less features than Sonic, but Sonic had better music and better gameplay.

[Sephex]

I am the opposite! I LOVE old Sonic games, but I am a much bigger fan of Mario. I wish Sonic transitioned to 3D as well as Mario did.

[DarkBahamut]

All of Sonic's games in this generation/era have not been successful, but only because they have so much to amount to if they wanted to be as significant!

[Del Murder]

Mario is better simply because Nintendo is better at making games than Sega.

The older Sonic games are a bit too one-dimensional. Mario games have a bit more variety, within the games and between them. There's not a whole lot of difference in what you do in Sonic 1 versus Sonic 3, but Mario 1 and Mario 3 are a world apart. And, like Sephex said, the 3D Mario games have been outstanding while Sonic didn't make the transition nearly as well.

[Bubba]

Sonic 2 was an excellent platformer but it can't match Mario for gameplay. Nintendo edge it on so many levels. Control of character, level ingenuity and simple, magical touches that stick in your memory.

Also... the music. Koji Kondo is an absolute genius. Sonic (and Sega) had nothing on Nintendo music.

[Sylvie]

I prefer playing Mario. And probably the characters of Mario too. Sonic was pretty cool, but what they did with the storyline with the Sonic Adventure games were fucking unbearable and disgusting

[Sephex]

I prefer playing Mario. And probably the characters of Mario too. Sonic was pretty cool, but what they did with the storyline with the Sonic Adventure games were fucking unbearable and disgusting

>new game
>add 500 characters

[Sylvie]

The voice acting and attempt at drama was the worst ever

[VeloZer0]

Mario is better simply because Nintendo is better at making games than Sega.
Despite the fact that I like the Sonic franchise (Sonic 1-3) better, I have to begrudgingly admit that I have accumulated more fun playing 2D Mario titles.

[DarkBahamut]

Sonic 2 was an excellent platformer but it can't match Mario for gameplay. Nintendo edge it on so many levels. Control of character, level ingenuity and simple, magical touches that stick in your memory.

Also... the music. Koji Kondo is an absolute genius. Sonic (and Sega) had nothing on Nintendo music.
Every track in Sonic 2 were gems. All the other games have a great music too. Obviously the music are classic, but in Mario, the music was too repetitive for me.

[Shiny]

As games, I'd have to agree with Del, but as character Sonic is better, but then again most things are better than Italian stereotypes.

[Bubba]

[QUOTE=Jordan Henderson;3094568]Sonic 2 was an excellent platformer but it can't match Mario for gameplay. Nintendo edge it on so many levels. Control of character, level ingenuity and simple, magical touches that stick in your memory.

Also... the music. Koji Kondo is an absolute genius. Sonic (and Sega) had nothing on Nintendo music.
Every track in Sonic 2 were gems. All the other games have a great music too. Obviously the music are classic, but in Mario, the music was too repetitive for me.[/QUOTE

Mario piano - YouTub (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CF4QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVeU5rv68rZ4&ei=oN3mT9eBA-eO0AXJ8qXyCA&usg=AFQjCNFFBEwqCQHvlqNZ013pJf5Qa4jhXg)e

[Roto13]

All of Sonic's games in this generation/era have not been successful, but only because they have so much to amount to if they wanted to be as significant!

And also because many of them have been utter shit by their own merits. Sonic '06 was so bad, Sega actually removed it from Xbox 360's Games on Demand service because it hurts the brand so much.

And even the utter shit ones have been successful, at least financially.

[Pike]

I really enjoy playing both franchises (as in Mario up to Mario 64 or so-- although honestly I thought Rare made the better 3D platformers-- and Sonic up to about Sonic 3&K). I'm not so sure I can choose a favorite.

[Madame Adequate]

Sonic is blatantly better if you only count Sonic the Hedgehog through to Sonic and Knuckles.

[Del Murder]

And only count Mario through what? Super Mario Bros 2?

[Madame Adequate]

All Mario. Sonic actively becomes worse if you count anything else, bringing it down beneath Mario.

[Sylvie]

When I play Sonic, I feel uncomfortable, because I feel that I have little control.

[DarkBahamut]

I'm talking about the original games.
Sonic 1 through Sonic & Knuckles vs. the 3 Super Mario Bros. games

Probably should've mentioned that before, but yes.

[Del Murder]

That's not really a fair comparison since the first Sonic games had the advantage of a 16 bit system. Regardless, SMB3 is better than any Sonic game.

[Pike]

I'm talking about the original games.
Sonic 1 through Sonic & Knuckles vs. the 3 Super Mario Bros. games

Probably should've mentioned that before, but yes.

In that case, as much as I love SMB3 (which is a lot) I might have to give the nod to Sonic.

If we start counting Super Mario World and then (especially) Yoshi's Island, things get really tricky and I start to lean back over to Mario.

[Del Murder]

Which we should, since those were made at around the same time and with similar hardware.

I keep posting in this thread because I honestly cannot fathom how anyone would say any Sonic game is better than Super Mario World.

[Madame Adequate]

That is demonstrably false.

[Del Murder]

WHAT?? I challenge you to a face-off MILF! Pick your favorite Sonic game and it we'll go head-to-head!

[Pike]

One of the great things Super Mario World had going for it was the sheer size and scope of the world. I think it takes longer to 100% SMW than it does to 100% the first four Sonic games combined. (not trying to diss on Sonic because I love Sonic)

SMB3 is my personal favorite but SMW may be the best Mario platformer of all time (barring Yoshi's Island, which I think may be the best 2D platformer ever, period.)

[Madame Adequate]

Sonic 2 son, first person to get Super Sonic wins.

Oh yeah :shobon: I already did that!

[Del Murder]

One of the great things Super Mario World had going for it was the sheer size and scope of the world. I think it takes longer to 100% SMW than it does to 100% the first four Sonic games combined. (not trying to diss on Sonic because I love Sonic)

SMB3 is my personal favorite but SMW may be the best Mario platformer of all time (barring Yoshi's Island, which I think may be the best 2D platformer ever, period.)
I completely agree! Which is why MILF doesn't have a chance. But we'll give him a shot.

[Madame Adequate]

Oh wait I guess I misunderstood you!

Sonic 3 and Knuckles. :smug: Come at me darlings!

[Del Murder]

Sonic 2 son, first person to get Super Sonic wins.

Oh yeah :shobon: I already did that!
Whoopteedo. I had a late start on SMW and then managed to get 3 levels ahead of everyone when my PSP crashed and I couldn't finish.

Anyway, this is not a speed challenge since Sonic has the clear advantage, being that running really fast is the only thing you do in Sonic games.

[Sephex]

Guys! They are both good series (when it comes to the early days)!

But Mario is better.http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s26/Sephex/sonicseyeinfectionbybonyf7.png

[Slothy]

I keep posting in this thread because I honestly cannot fathom how anyone would say any Sonic game is better than Super Mario World.

I'm going to have to side with Del over Pike and MILF (wait, what!?) on this one. I love Sonic 2 as much as the next person. I enjoy Sonic 3 though it's not as good as Sonic 2, and I really never played enough of Sonic & Knuckles to completely weigh in but I remember not liking it nearly as much as 2 and 3.

But 8 and 16-bit Mario titles stab Sonic in the face and dance on the corpse. The original Super Mario Bros. is pure platforming bliss. Mario 3 adds immeasurably to the base the first one established and basically redefined the genre (no small feat when Super Mario Bros. basically defined the genre for many people a few years earlier). And Super Mario World and Yoshi's Island? There is no comparison there really.

I'll give Sonic some extra credit though because I loved Sonic Adventure to death. Far more than I should probably. Every 3D Sonic may have sucked after that, but it was an amazing fucking game.

[Pike]

Well, it's hard for me to choose between both series. But as I was saying earlier it's pretty hard to compete with SMB3, SMW and Yoshi's Island. Man Yoshi's Island was great.

[Bubba]

Well, it's hard for me to choose between both series. But as I was saying earlier it's pretty hard to compete with SMB3, SMW and Yoshi's Island. Man Yoshi's Island was great.

I agree, Miss Pike. Yoshi's Island was always underrated as it came out not long before SM64. Some of the effects in Yoshi's Island really pushed the SNES to the max. Bowser at the end of the game was particularly memorable.

[Roto13]

I keep posting in this thread because I honestly cannot fathom how anyone would say any Sonic game is better than Super Mario World.

I'm going to have to side with Del over Pike and MILF (wait, what!?) on this one. I love Sonic 2 as much as the next person. I enjoy Sonic 3 though it's not as good as Sonic 2, and I really never played enough of Sonic & Knuckles to completely weigh in but I remember not liking it nearly as much as 2 and 3.

But 8 and 16-bit Mario titles stab Sonic in the face and dance on the corpse. The original Super Mario Bros. is pure platforming bliss. Mario 3 adds immeasurably to the base the first one established and basically redefined the genre (no small feat when Super Mario Bros. basically defined the genre for many people a few years earlier). And Super Mario World and Yoshi's Island? There is no comparison there really.

I'll give Sonic some extra credit though because I loved Sonic Adventure to death. Far more than I should probably. Every 3D Sonic may have sucked after that, but it was an amazing fucking game.

There are some decent 3D Sonic games.

Sonic Adventure 1 is not one of them. What a mess.

[Sephex]

Honestly, and I am not joking here, I think this is an European thing. I have noticed that Sega related products (as well as Sony) has always fared better over Nintendo based products in that particular area. I think it's because Nintendo's presence back then wasn't that great as it is today. Therefore, most people had easier access to Sega consoles, and Nintendo got swept under the rug there. A lot of people often forget that Sega really had Nintendo by the balls for a year or two worldwide, but once the SNES truly took off, it was back in their control until Sony rose and blah, blah, blah we all heard this story a billion times.

Long story short, it seems that Sega has more fans outside the US since they had good relations without Nintendo competing as hard in those regions.

[SuperMillionaire]

Well, seeing as Mario and Sonic are getting closer together with their sports games, why don't Nintendo and Sega just merge already?

[Roto13]

Because Nintendo is profitable and Sega is not.

[Slothy]

There are some decent 3D Sonic games.

Sonic Adventure 1 is not one of them. What a mess.

Aside from the cat Adventure was pretty awesome. Far better than the pile of shit that was Adventure 2 anyway.

[Jinx]

It'sa meeeeee, Maaaaaaddddiooooo!

[krissy]

so in my dyslexia i saw this thread in the front forums with tifa's boobs posting as last poster and i read it as titanic vs mario
because tifa's boobs and sonic merged together in my head

and so yes

titanic vs mario

i have no easy answers
but it'd be a battle of the ages

[Sephex]

so in my dyslexia i saw this thread in the front forums with tifa's boobs posting as last poster and i read it as titanic vs mario
because tifa's boobs and sonic merged together in my head

and so yes

titanic vs mario

i have no easy answers
but it'd be a battle of the ages

I just picture of Super Mario Galaxy type of Titanic looking boss and the mental image is greatly amusing me.

[KentaRawr!]

Aren't you guys forgetting someone?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7b/Bonkadventure.jpg/250px-Bonkadventure.jpg

[Sephex]

Aren't you guys forgetting someone?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7b/Bonkadventure.jpg/250px-Bonkadventure.jpg

Loved that game. I had a TurboGrafix 16 back in the day and played this and Kieth's Courage to death. It broke years ago, so one of the first things I did when I got my Wii on launch was download Bonk's Adventure. Never played the other two, but I plan on it some day.

[Slothy]

Anyone who forgets Bonk should take their standard issue cyanide capsule.

Now would be preferable.

[Jiro]

So when is this Sonic battle taking place? I'm not leaving until Del and MILF deliver with that challenge.

[Del Murder]

The battle will take place at SUNDOWN.

A sundown SHOWDOWN.

Two games enter, only one leaves ALIVE.

That's right, it's Mario vs. Sonic THUNDERDOME.

BE THERE

[VeloZer0]

In a note unrelated to game quality, Sonic would totally kick Mario's ass.

[Jiro]

I eagerly await this duel of fates.

[KentaRawr!]

I really prefer the Mario games, but I also really enjoy Sonic's games. I got loads of fun out of Sonic Generations for sure. =) But if we're only counting Marios 1-3 and Sonics 1-3, then I totally prefer Mario. Mario Bros. 2 and 3 are both marvelous games, and I really only enjoy Sonic 3 out of the first 3 sonic games! xD That's counting Knuckles, btw.

[Bubba]

In a note unrelated to game quality, Sonic would totally kick Mario's ass.

In their original incarnations, I agree. Mario would be horribly mangled within seconds.

If you add power-ups to the equation though... it could get interesting.

[Roto13]

There are some decent 3D Sonic games.

Sonic Adventure 1 is not one of them. What a mess.

Aside from the cat Adventure was pretty awesome. Far better than the pile of shit that was Adventure 2 anyway.

No.

Not even close.

That game was just terrible. At least the camera in Sonic Adventure 2 cooperated sometimes. Not often, but sometimes. Sonic Adventure 1 was just a few glitches away from being Sonic '06.

[Slothy]

I honestly can't remember if the camera in Adventure 2 was bad or not. At least the camera in Adventure was pretty predictable in how it liked to spaz out.

But regardless, the levels, exploration and most of the characters in Adventure were far more enjoyable than having the bad guys play exactly the same as the good guys. Not to mention that I recall much of Adventure 2's levels being quite mind numbingly repetitive as a result.

And I have trouble forgiving the game that gave us Shadow the Hedgehog. A character that's exactly like Sonic in every way except dark in the sort of way only a 12 year old emo douche could consider good.

I'd love to pick Adventure 2 apart more thoroughly, but I haven't even played it since I beat most of it when it came out, and I've really never had any desire to go back to it since.

[ReloadPsi]

Sonic 2 was an excellent platformer but it can't match Mario for gameplay. Nintendo edge it on so many levels. Control of character, level ingenuity and simple, magical touches that stick in your memory.

Also... the music. Koji Kondo is an absolute genius. Sonic (and Sega) had nothing on Nintendo music.

Masato Nakamura is an unsung gem. The Sonic 1 & 2 soundtracks have shown their unforgettable qualities over time and you can't deny that Green Hill Zone is almost as recognisable (but still behind) Super Mario Bros' Overworld theme.

My own personal attachment comes from them making me take up bass. I know which I'd rather have on my MP3 player.

[Del Murder]

I'd say far behind. Even people who don't play games know the Mario theme. Which brings me to...

THUNDERDOME ROUND 1 - MUSIC

I will ask some random people to sing the the theme from Super Mario Bros. and then ask them to do the same for ANY Sonic game. We will see how many can do either or both.

[Sephex]

In the Sonic cartoon he was played by Urkel.

In the Mario cartoon he was played by CAPTAIN LOU ALBANO!

Now what? NOW WHAT?!

[Del Murder]

You're skipping ahead, Spehex. That's ROUND 3 - MEDIA REPRESENTATION.

[VeloZer0]

I will ask some random people to sing the the theme from Super Mario Bros. and then ask them to do the same for ANY Sonic game. We will see how many can do either or both.
I will agree that Mario would win using that metric. Here is another:

Of the people who regularly listen to video game music how often do they listen to Sonic vs Mario music?

[Del Murder]

I don't think I know enough people who listen to game music regularly. Maybe I should take this to the streets!

[Madame Adequate]

Got nothing to do with anything :colbert:

Furthermore, Sonic 3 Music: Ice Cap Zone Act 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYxlqTpZ-24)

Furthermore furthermore, Sonic music was so astoundingly good that a rumor existed that it had been composed by Michael Jackson. That is how good it was.

[Del Murder]

MILF, making up rumors about your preferred game is not until Round 8.

[Sephex]

MILF, making up rumors about your preferred game is not until Round 8.

But it's true that if you beat the minus world in the original Mario, you can play World 9 which has two Bowsers to fight at the end of 9-4!

[Shiny]

I'd say far behind. Even people who don't play games know the Mario theme. Which brings me to...

THUNDERDOME ROUND 1 - MUSIC

I will ask some random people to sing the the theme from Super Mario Bros. and then ask them to do the same for ANY Sonic game. We will see how many can do either or both.
Most people would only remember the the da da dun dum theme. I don't even know what it's called. I can remember numerous songs and titles to Sonic music. Sonic music has been remixed by professional Trance, Electronica, and Hip Hop DJs. Mario Brothers music has been remixed as well but mostly just that da da dun dum theme. Wtf is it called?

If we're gonna talk about music Sonic music is obviously superior there, but we're not, we're talking about vidya games.

[Pike]

MILF, making up rumors about your preferred game is not until Round 8.

But it's true that if you beat the minus world in the original Mario, you can play World 9 which has two Bowsers to fight at the end of 9-4!

MY DAD WORKS FOR NINTENDO AND HE SAID THAT YOU CAN GET A BAZOOKA IN SUPER MARIO RPG

[Sephex]

MILF, making up rumors about your preferred game is not until Round 8.

But it's true that if you beat the minus world in the original Mario, you can play World 9 which has two Bowsers to fight at the end of 9-4!

MY DAD WORKS FOR NINTENDO AND HE SAID THAT YOU CAN GET A BAZOOKA IN SUPER MARIO RPG

SO DOES MY DAD AND THERE IS A BLOOD CODE BUT YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE GAME IS 30 SECONDS FOR IT TO WORK!!

[VeloZer0]

If we're gonna talk about music Sonic music is obviously superior there, but we're not, we're talking about vidya games.
Though superior music doesn't make the game it is undeniably one element that enhances the game experience.

[Roto13]

http://youtu.be/-z2kxFCQ_mQ

Tell me you didn't feel like you were playing a video game for the first time ever when you played Mario Galaxy, and that you're not Vivi22.

[Slothy]

Don't hate me because Mario Galaxy wasn't great. :p