Disney Sequels Do Not Suck

[Chris]

http://www.disneyvideos.com.au/images/titles/collection/the_return_of_jafar.jpg

This is a horrible lie that has been perpetuated by people who cannot get over the fact that many Disney sequels are actually pretty good.

I absolutely love The Return of Jafar and Simba's Pride. I think both of them are worthy of bearing the Disney logo. So are: Rescuers Down Under, The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea and Cinderella III: A Twist in Time.

I think it is obviously unfair to compare them to the originals, but a lot of people are so adamant about hating them just for the sake of it, instead of actually giving them a fair chance.

What's your opinion on Disney Sequels? Which one is your favorite?

[Jinx]

A lot of the sequels are bad. Not all of them.

I, too, like The Littler Mermaid 2. But this one has to be my favourite. Not really as sequel (in as much as a parallel time-line, or just a further view into the story) but it's great. It came out when I was six, and I loved the music. And Angelique. :3

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/spawn47/Disney/B0000683BE.jpg

[Mirage]

The rescuers down under is a good one. Didn't really care about the little mermaid and aladdin 2.

[Shauna]

They do suck, if we are going to blanket statement. Which we are all doing when we make that statement. I won't deny there are some good, but for the most part they are bad. Here is a list of all the available Disney sequels. :3 And for the record I have watched every single one of these. My life, why do I waste it on awful movies?

Fantasia 2000
Bambi II
Cinderella II: Dreams Come True
Cinderella III: A Twist in Time
Return to Never Land
Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp’s Adventure
101 Dalmatians II: Patch’s London Adventure
The Jungle Book 2
The Rescuers Down Under
The Fox and the Hound 2
The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea
The Little Mermaid: Ariel’s Beginning
Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas
Belle’s Magical World
The Return of Jafar
Aladdin and the King of Thieves
The Lion King II: Simba’s Pride
The Lion King 1½
An Extremely Goofy Movie
Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World
The Hunchback of Notre Dame II
Mulan II
Tarzan & Jane
Tarzan II
Kronk’s New Groove
Atlantis: Milo’s Return
Stitch! The Movie
Lilo and Stitch 2: Stitch Has a Glitch
Leroy and Stitch
Brother Bear 2

I think that 4/30 are enjoyable in their own right. Four. I feel that the statement "All Disney Sequels are bad" is a fair statement to make, given this. xD

(Also the Little Mermaid 2 is bad because it's just the exact same story with a new coat of paint, lack of innovation, man.)

[Loony BoB]

My general opinion of them is "eh" because I've never had my attention genuinely captured by any of them. I don't really have a favourite because I have only seen a handful of them. Probably Kronk's New Groove, if only because it features Kronk, but that's the only reason. It's still a fairly "eh" movie.

Regarding the Lion King, I would say that two of my favourite characters in The Lion King were Mufasa and the young Simba. Both were unfortunately unable to return in the second movie for obvious reasons. Basically, though, the first movies are generally great in their own right, they are complete movies that have a start and an end with no need (nor room, generally) for a sequel. Not even a suggestion that a sequel would be needed to further understand the story. They are complete. So when a sequel is made, the sequel is just living off the glory of the original, and in most cases the sequel is very forced and often will be far more focused towards smaller, lesser conflicts than the originals. It goes from "The end of the world is coming!" kind of scale down to "So-and-so wants a new dress!" which is obviously kind of... well, yeah.

[Jinx]

Dude, Shauna. Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas is great in its own right.

[Shauna]

I dunno. I couldn't get behind it, personally. Although! It does have Tim Curry... I never watched it when I was younger, so there's no nostalgia here. :3

[Jinx]

I dunno. I couldn't get behind it, personally. Although! It does have Tim Curry... I never watched it when I was younger, so there's no nostalgia here. :3

You've just hit the nail on the head there. Sequels we watch when we're younger are still good to us. I liked Lady and the Tramp 2: Scamp's Adventure. I loved The Little Mermaid 2. I even liked Aladdin and the King of Thieves. All movies I watched as a kid.

I didn't see Mulan 2 (Mulan is my favourite Disney movie) until I was 17 or so. But I like it. I think it's funny and charming. Not necessarily a good sequel, per say, but it's fun.

[Night Fury]

Little Mermaid II was trout.

[Shauna]

I never watched Mulan or the Emperor's New Groove until I was in my mid-late teens, because of the whole "Ew, Disney is for kids" thing I went through. I found I loved those movies to pieces, and if I decide to watch some Disney, they're right in there alongside Beauty and the Beast and The Little Mermaid.
I did, however, watch Pocahontas II when I was younger, and nothing can convince me that it is anything but bad. It's not completely nostalgia related (well, for me I guess), although I will admit that there is a lot to be said for watching things when you're a kid.

Or maybe I'm just weird. :|

[Shoden]

I grew up on the Aladdin sequels, King of Thieves, Return of Jafar and even though now I see them as being a bit less glorious than the original the nostalgia element attached to them for me really does make them good movies or rather did at the time as I remember them because I haven't watched either for about 11 years or something.

[Jowy]

the movie sequels always seemed like a quick cash grab. i loved the timon & pumbaa animated series though. same with the aladdin one!

[Night Fury]

the movie sequels always seemed like a quick cash grab. i loved the timon & pumbaa animated series though. same with the aladdin one!

Yes! Timon and Pumba's show was great!

Timon & Pumba - Stand By Me - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBK0i83ip78)

this man.

[milliegoesbeep]

Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure.

and 101 Dalmations II.

No question.

[Shorty]

WHY IS THE RESCUERS DOWN UNDER LISTED THERE, IT IS FANTASTIC

[Slothy]

WHY IS THE RESCUERS DOWN UNDER LISTED THERE, IT IS FANTASTIC

On Shauna's list? I think it's one of the 4 good ones mentioned since it's bolded.

[Shorty]

...that would make sense.

[Agent Proto]

Straight to video sequels are poorly made and shitty, in my opinion. If the sequels were treated like the originals, as in they were given a theater release, then I'd give them more of a chance to be pretty good. :)

[Unbreakable Will]

I liked The Return of Jafar and Simba's Pride. That's it, the rest of it is shit imo.

[Shauna]

WHY IS THE RESCUERS DOWN UNDER LISTED THERE, IT IS FANTASTIC

On Shauna's list? I think it's one of the 4 good ones mentioned since it's bolded.

Yes. I love the Rescuers and everything about those little mice. :heart:

[Roogle]

Straight to video sequels are poorly made and troutty, in my opinion. If the sequels were treated like the originals, as in they were given a theater release, then I'd give them more of a chance to be pretty good. :)

Yes, I think that the fact that they were straight to video said a lot about it. A lower budget usually means a lesser movie. I would not want to see some of these, like Cinderella II, ever reach a movie theater as they simply are not on par with previous titles.

[charliepanayi]

The Rescuers Down Under doesn't really belong with the others as it got a theatrical release, rather than going straight to video/DVD. Though it is overlooked, probably as it had the misfortune to come between The Little Mermaid (the film that began Disney's second Golden Age) and Beauty and the Beast (possibly the best Disney film of all).

[Shauna]

Return to Neverland also got a theatrical release (I certainly saw it at the cinema when it came out - free tickets with Happy Meals, not worth it xD), and that can definitely be grouped under one of the bads. Giving Rescuers DU a hand-wave because it got a theatrical release would mean giving that movie one too, and I just cannot do that. xD

[Fynn]

I gues you guys have never heard of the Nostalgia Chick...

[Mirage]

Of course we have, and it's not enough for some of these sequels.

[Clo]

Yeesh, Mulan II was pretty doo-doo.

Honestly, except for Aladdin and Rescuers, I think they all suck.

[Denmark]

um

toy story 2 and 3 anyone

these may be the only disney sequels i've seen actually

[Jinx]

um

toy story 2 and 3 anyone

these may be the only disney sequels i've seen actually

eh, but they're PIXAR

[Pike]

The Lion King 1 1/2 is one of the greatest Disney movies of all time.

[~*~Celes~*~]

Disney's The Rescuers - "Tomorrow Is Another Day" (pop version) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TPzrCmGTOQ) THE RESCUERS :D

To be honest I haven't seen many of the sequels. I've seen the Aladdin sequels, The Lion King 2, The Little Mermaid 2, BatB:EC, and....I'm sure there's more that I can't remember, but I love the originals enough to get that nostalgia just from watching them <3

[milliegoesbeep]

WHY IS THE RESCUERS DOWN UNDER LISTED THERE, IT IS FANTASTIC

AGREED.

[Fynn]

For those of you who have not seen this, LOOK!
Top Ten Worst Disney Sequels (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/team-nchick/nostalgia-chick/33785-top-ten-worst-disney-sequels)

And also, this:
Top Five LEAST Awful Disney Sequels (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/team-nchick/nostalgia-chick/33931-top-five-least-awful-disney-sequels)

And I pretty much agree with what has been said in those videos.

[Del Murder]

Mighty Ducks 2 is the best Disney sequel ever.

[Shauna]

WHY IS THE RESCUERS DOWN UNDER LISTED THERE, IT IS FANTASTIC

AGREED.

I keep getting shouted at for this. ;_; Explanation!



On Shauna's list? I think it's one of the 4 good ones mentioned since it's bolded.

Yes. I love the Rescuers and everything about those little mice. :heart:

[Jowy]

Mighty Ducks 2 is the best Disney sequel ever.

I wish D3 wasn't above average.

[blackmage_nuke]

Working off the ones ive seen on Shauna's List

The Jungle Book 2
If my memory serves me well I actually liked it better than the original, The songs were just as well composed and better performed. The art maybe wasnt as ornate but it was much brighter and more vibrant

The Rescuers Down Under
I know I liked this one too but I cant remember it well

The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea
Great singing voices, mediocre songs, mediocre plot, mediocre art

The Return of Jafar
This was a great sequel, the songs were great, the story was well told and I didnt really notice the art as being much worse than the original

Aladdin and the King of Thieves
Genie lost all subtlty in his popculture references which was annoying, but other than that I didnt LOVE the msuic or the story.

The Lion King II: Simba’s Pride
This is a tough one, when I watched it I thought it was OK it but looking back, I cant really remember much about anything I liked

Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World
For some reason I just didnt enjoy this one much, but apparently it was more historically acurate to what actually happened than most disney movies so meh

The Hunchback of Notre Dame II
I could not sit through a minute of this unfortunately. The art was hideous. And I am well aware of the irony of me judging this movie based on it's appearances, but I loved THOND and didnt want it ruined for me so I stopped watching

Mulan II
I hated Mulan II. I only enjoyed one song (Not counting the reprise of a girl worth fighting for), but the morale of the story didnt mesh well with me, and the background art was ridiculously bland. Mushu also became a dick. (I know he was a dick before but it was funnier then)

Stitch! The Movie
I hated Lilo's voice and dialogue in this movie. I guess it was just a setup to the series but the dialogue annoyed me

Lilo and Stitch 2: Stitch Has a Glitch
Not bad but not really necessary

Leroy and Stitch
It was ok im sure it wouldve had a strong impact had I watched the whole series beforehand

Brother Bear 2
This was as good as the original but the original wasnt that great

[Jinx]

OH GOD HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME TWO

The Hunchback of Notre Dame is one of the most terrifying, adult, and complex movies Disney ever made. The sequel ruins all of that.

I remember being a 4 year old, pissing myself in theatres, because of the HELLFIRE GARGOYLES RAPE shit going on, and I'm pretty sure my grandmother was mortified she took her 4 year old granddaughter to see it.

[krissy]

i had trouble with hunchback at 13 :S

[Fynn]

It is the most beautiful Disney movie, along with Beauty and the Beast. Good thing I never got to see the sequels to those two :p

[Jinx]

It is the most beautiful Disney movie, along with Beauty and the Beast. Good thing I never got to see the sequels to those two :p

Belle's Magical World is HORRIBLE.

The Enchanted Christmas is beautiful, and has some really great music. They put a lot of work into it. Honestly, I'd give it a watch. It's great.

[Clo]

OH GOD HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME TWO

The Hunchback of Notre Dame is one of the most terrifying, adult, and complex movies Disney ever made. The sequel ruins all of that.

I remember being a 4 year old, pissing myself in theatres, because of the HELLFIRE GARGOYLES RAPE trout going on, and I'm pretty sure my grandmother was mortified she took her 4 year old granddaughter to see it.

Yeah, in that one song, isn't the Friar basically singing about how since he can't rape Esmerelda, he will murder her?

[Jinx]

OH GOD HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME TWO

The Hunchback of Notre Dame is one of the most terrifying, adult, and complex movies Disney ever made. The sequel ruins all of that.

I remember being a 4 year old, pissing myself in theatres, because of the HELLFIRE GARGOYLES RAPE trout going on, and I'm pretty sure my grandmother was mortified she took her 4 year old granddaughter to see it.

Yeah, in that one song, isn't the Friar basically singing about how since he can't rape Esmerelda, he will murder her?

He talks about how he's supposed to be this good man of God. But she makes him lustful, and he wants to rape her. But since she's a dirty gypsy woman, he's going to watch her burn instead.

So pretty much, yeah. With just a hint of HOLIER THAN THOU COS GOOD CHRISTIANS NEVER DO BAD THINGS etc etc

[blackmage_nuke]

He was not a Friar or a member of the church. He was a Judge. (In the book he was an ArchDeacon or something but in the book pretty much everyone dies)

[Shlup]

What the hell is wrong with some of you? The Little Mermaid II is the worst movie ever made. The characters make no sense, it ignores that Ursula was originally supposed to be Triton's sister, and Prince Eric's voice is terrible. I hate that movie.

The Little Mermaid III is pretty good though. Mulan II is okay, despite using a Chinese setting to promote very un-Chinese morals. I really like Cinderella III.

[Jinx]

You all are failing to realize that The Little Mermaid ITSELF was not that good of a movie.


Also, my bad, Nuke. I honestly made a mistake there. It's been awhile since I saw it. :shobon:

[Mirage]

Uh yeah it was. it had seashell bras and all.

[Chris]

You all are failing to realize that The Little Mermaid ITSELF was not that good of a movie.
:whaaa:

[Shorty]

I will save the day and ban TB so that everyone can go back to their regularly scheduled programming of The Little Mermaid.

[Jinx]

No, really. It has the most annoying and vapid Princess. It has GREAT music. But the story is dull. The prince has no personality other than being handsome.

I just don't like it that much.

I do like that I have the original box with the penises. :3

[blackmage_nuke]

Also, my bad, Nuke. I honestly made a mistake there. It's been awhile since I saw it. :shobon:

I actually thought he was a priest or something as well until i read otherwise. Now its a fun fact I quote at everyone who calls him a priest

Speaking of fun things (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1HKnZZg_M4) about THOND

[maybee]

I will save the day and ban TB so that everyone can go back to their regularly scheduled programming of The Little Mermaid.

Thankyou. I love the Little Mermaid and how is Ariel and Eric annoying and bland ? Eric loved Ariel even though she was heavily flawed as a human. She was weird, didn't act like normal women and couldn't talk and yet Eric still had a crush on her and when she was a mermaid he didn't reject her or get weird out. In fact he loved her even more.

Ariel is adventurous and instead of Eric being the one that saves her, she is the one that saves Eric. She can be bratty, but her heart is in the right place. She just feels trapped within her own underwater prison. She wants to be a human because she feels like that world is better and suits her better than the underwater world. Then she meets Eric and then that just double the impact.

Yes Eric stepped away from Ariel at first but only because he wanted to respect the woman that saved his life, which is quite noble. Though you can tell that he really loves Ariel more and wants to be with her; but his wish to honour the woman that saved his life holds him back and you can tell from the movie that his big mistake that he didn't go for Ariel even though his heart was telling him too.

Yes, I love The Little Mermaid.

[charliepanayi]

Plus, The Little Mermaid has Ursula.

[Forsaken Lover]

I don't care what anyone says, I liked both Dead Man's Chest and At World's End. What's more, while both are inferior to the first movie on the whole, I think Davy Jones is the best character to come out of the Trilogy.

[Wolf Kanno]

No most of them are awful as is most straight to video movies, the only decent sequels on the list are the ones that were worthy enough to get a theatrical release so Rescuer's Down Under (Which I feel is superior to the first film) and Fantasia 2000 which really should not have counted cause Fantasia was suppose to be an ongoing project.

Beyond that, the rest are pretty weak compared to the first films and often felt more like trying to cash in on their popularity.

[Shauna]

Plus, The Little Mermaid has Ursula.

Tbf to the Little Mermaid II, it also had Ursula. She was just skinny and called Morgana.



...It really irked me that they got the same voice actor to play Morgana. It was actually like they were just trying to remake the original with a slightly different angle. xD

[Mirage]

So I guess the conclusion is:

Yes, Disney sequels do suck. Mostly.

[Kossage]

As far as Disney sequels go, they're hit and miss. Many of them have interesting concepts, but the execution can be somewhat... lacking. The visuals started out in a definite direct-to-video quality but over the years the animation got a lot better. Just compare the art direction of Return of Jafar to Bambi II or Cinderella III; the difference is like night and day. :p

I haven't yet seen the newest Winnie the Pooh film (which is a sequel considered part of the Disney Animated Canon along with Fantasia 2000, The Rescuers Down Under, and even The Three Caballeros to some extent as TTC kinda expands on Saludos Amigos), but the other three canon sequels are pretty darn good for the most part. All have excellent music and fine animation as well as memorable scenes. I guess the biggest problems in Fantasia 2000 (which I do love not only because it gave Donald an awesome role and one of the most epic kisses on the silver screen) are those celebrity cameos which hardly add anything to the mix, the short length (how awesome would it have been if we'd had the Swan of Tuonela in its finished form, One by One, The Little Match Girl, and Destino as part of the main feature?) as well as some of the jarring tonal shifts. Most of the shorts in the film are actually great, and it was a neat choice to leave the Firebird segment (http://youtu.be/2XGRmaiCpPU) for last; that short is one of my favourites in Disney animation in general. :love:

As for the actual DTV (direct to video) sequels (well, some of them were theatrically released, interestingly enough, but I'll still call them DTV to distinguish them from the animated canon), some were definitely worse than others, but many actually had surprisingly good songs. I found myself liking "For a Moment" (http://youtu.be/TW1TcRB_V5Y) in TLM2. I just love the counterpoint of Ariel's motherly theme with Melody's main theme and how happiness and regret are mixed so well as they form a coherent, emotionally gripping narrative). If only the rest of the film had had the emotional intensity of that song (although some bits did come close, I admit). :p

Or, to mention a few neat song examples from the more "mediorcre" sequels, how about "Where Do I Go From Here" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfTieVPjN7E) from Pocahontas 2, "Always There" (http://youtu.be/MDmvaCmi0kE) from Lady and the Tramp 2 (it has a few other fine songs too although this one is the most emotional), or the best for last: "Here Beside Me" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQuJ4pWmtTQ) from Mulan 2? Many of the orchestral scores in DTV sequels also don't have to shy away from the original scores, the best examples belonging to Joel McNeely who for instance wrote this stunning piece (http://youtu.be/G3c0s5Rm-AE) for the opening of Return to Neverland which pretty much summarizes all the main music themes from the first Peter Pan film before finishing with the sequel's main music theme. Now that's what I call continuity and dedication! ;)

Out of all the DTV sequels I ended up enjoying Bambi 2, The Lion King 2 and Cinderella 3 the most. Each of them had great animation: some examples include C3 which had parts which actually blew my mind such as the recreation of the first film's famous dance scene which wasn't copied directly from the film but was actually recreated by the talented artists, and Bambi in Bambi 2 who was animated by none other than the sublime Andreas Deja who gave us such wonderful characters as Gaston, Jafar, Scar, Lilo and Mama Odie among others. The storylines were quite interesting in all these films (well, granted, Bambi 2's B plot about Bambi learning to be brave wasn't quite as gripping as the touching father/son storyline which was really the main event) and provided Disney fans with some memorable scenes and songs. Zira's villain song "My Lullaby" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJGqxf86cZs) is still one of the creepiest villain songs ever to grace a Disney film, and I love every sick minute of it. :D

So long story short, the sequels have their shortcomings (and could've definitely been better), but many of them are actually quite enjoyable on their own. :)

[Aulayna]

I feel like the odd one out here but I really did not like The Lion King 2 or 3. I may have to re-watch Simba's Pride and give it a second chance as I only watched it once (whereas the Lion King I went through 2 VHS worths, due to wearing one out - and have had it on DVD, the DVD Collectors boxset and the DVD collectors boxset with all 3 in it). I think it's largely because The Lion King is my favourite film, ever, so I hold it in such infallible regard that I'm setup to be disappointed by any sequel.

[Jinx]

I feel like the odd one out here but I really did not like The Lion King 2 or 3. I may have to re-watch Simba's Pride and give it a second chance as I only watched it once (whereas the Lion King I went through 2 VHS worths, due to wearing one out - and have had it on DVD, the DVD Collectors boxset and the DVD collectors boxset with all 3 in it). I think it's largely because The Lion King is my favourite film, ever, so I hold it in such infallible regard that I'm setup to be disappointed by any sequel.

Agreed. I don't think Lion King 2 is that good.