The Walking Dead TELEVISION SHOW ONLY 2-DOGG MEMORIAL EDITION (UNMARKED TV SPOILERS)

[Formalhaut]

Here's the thing, though. Most of the best episodes in the season happen when they pick a few characters and just stick with them for a good chunk of time. It's when they try to do too much exposition for too many disparate groups that the episodes get slow. It's when you get a little bit from here then jump to get a little bit from there that things start to fall apart. What was great about this episode was that it had a complete narrative arc on its own.

Pretty much this. The best episodes are the character centric ones with only three or four characters actually getting a spotlight. They are very good. :)

[fire_of_avalon]

Straight up the best episode in forever, and I say that being a pretty big fan of season 3 so far. It was pretty awesome to get a whole episode of character development and seeing all of the characters actually develop. Rick starting to accept his issues, Carl trying to deal with his mom being gone and having to be a little badass, Michonne actually having lines that aren't STAGE DIRECTION: MICHONNE GLARES LIKE SHE JUST SMELLED A FART... it was great.
I agree, and I also think the Michonne lines were more organic than they seemed. I think we have to keep in mind during all the glaring times she was hurt, scared, sleep deprived and hopped up on adrenaline. And no one was especially nice to her from go. Still, that cat was ugly.


I also cannot begin to fathom why anyone would want to see anything to do with Andrea except her getting eaten because holy trout she is a terrible character.
I feel so defensive of her all the time. Andrea is a great character. She makes bad decisions (but sometimes good, smart ones.) She loves people! She hates people! She tries hard! Sometimes she gets jealous! Sometimes she gives up!

I think Andrea is a very realistic character for the show and I also think she adds a lot of regular ol' humanity. They can't all be super survivors.

As for the spoilers, I still cover up anything major because a lot of EoFFers don't see the show until a few days after the east coast US.

[Ouch!]

I feel so defensive of her all the time. Andrea is a great character. She makes bad decisions (but sometimes good, smart ones.) She loves people! She hates people! She tries hard! Sometimes she gets jealous! Sometimes she gives up!
I don't dislike Andrea as a character, but I certainly dislike what they've done with her this season. My beef with her is that her relationship with the governor is very been there, done that. It feels like a more drawn-out replay of what happened between her and Shane. She is in a position now to play an interesting role, but most of this season it's just been disappointing watching her fall for and sympathize with the villain--again.

[Iceglow]

I like how they introduced the prisoners and essentially killed them all off immediately it's a great subtle yet in your face "CRIME NEVER PAYS BITCHES!" statement in there if there ever was one.

[Freya]

Despite how her stupid glares were THEY CAN'T GET RID OF MICHONNE. Her and Daryl are the best fighters they have right now. Stupid andrea. Should have just killed him when she slept with him. :/

[Depression Moon]

That girl is really naive for thinking for so long that they're issue could be handled with no bloodshed. Michonne tried to warn her from the get go.

[McLovin']

I don't even feel anything that they're going to war. :( I think this is the first show i've ever watched that i started hating it after some point. Must be how some people felt watching Lost.

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[Ouch!]

I feel like the complaints about lack of zombie-killing and violence between Rick's group and the Governor's are missing the show's point.

[Slothy]

I feel like the complaints about lack of zombie-killing and violence between Rick's group and the Governor's are missing the show's point.

To be fair, most people seem to miss the point of just about all zombie fiction.

[Calliope]

This week on The Walking Dead: People try to consult with Hershel as if he were Dale, disappointed when they don't get the answers they want/need.

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[Miriel]

One of the very best Walking Dead episodes followed immediately by one of the very worst. Ugh.

I loooved the episode with Morgan. It dealt with the very core of what it means to be surviving a zombie apocalypse. The loss, the guilt, the harshness, ingenuity, trust/distrust. Plus, character development for everyone!! Wow. I loved seeing Rick slowly pull himself out of his own crazy when faced with Morgan's mega crazy. And Michonne talks! Engages with other characters! She likes funky sculptures! Yaaaay. Carl wanting that photo was really touching too. Loved the bits with the hitchhiker. It felt very Cormac McCarthyish.

And then this most recent episode was such bullshit. The actor who plays the governor is not commanding enough to carry lengthy scenes with little action and bad dialogue. The writing too wasn't strong enough. Which made for a badly written, badly paced, not well acted episode. Balls.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

Woodbury's going to fall apart. Rick's group's out to get the Gov, Milton's trying to bring him down from the inside, Martinez was starting to like Daryl, Tyrone and his sister are probably going to end up helping Milton, and at the same time the Gov is going to try to bring down anyone who seems like they might be questioning him or trying to interfere with his plans, and I believe that there's going to be a bunch of in-fighting because of a severe lack of discipline with so many antzy people in one spot. While Rick's group doesn't have that problem. If there's any in-fighting with Rick's Group at all, they can usually put it aside if the moment calls for it.

[Madame Adequate]

Can't say I agree with Miriel on this one. Well I agree that last week's was the best episode all season, and maybe in the whole show, but for this one I thought the first quarter/third was pretty mediocre and slow, but once they got to the stalking part it picked up a lot. They did do some dumb trout like having the Governor do that whistle in a transparent attempt to seem creepy, but for the most part he actually WAS intimidating as smurf, walking around like the Terminator and with more determination and mechanical single-mindedness than the walkers have. I can't believe I actually like an Andrea episode this much but welp.

Plus, Milton found a big pair of brass balls and immediately installed them, which is something I can get behind 100%

Finally, the charred zombies in the pit were grim as fuck and I commend the special effects guys for their work. Holy shit.

[Del Murder]

I don't get why we hate Andrea.
Now do you get it? How did it take her this long to realize the Governor is a psycho?

Just hurry up and get to the damn war so we can go back to more interesting episodes like the Morgan one.

[Shiny]

Andrea had it coming. She stayed even when she became suspicious. People who haven't even been there for that long feel something is off about him and yet because she bonked him she set aside her suspicions and the suspicions of other people close to her. Dumb as hell.

Also Milton is totally gonna die and probably horribly at the hands The Governor which serves him right for knowing about a friggin' torture chamber and just now telling someone about it. Dude wtf.

I also this is the first time I actually felt scared watching the show. I felt like Andrea. Like oh god please don't catch her dumbass. This is the first time I felt he was actually terrifying and hopefully he will start becoming more like the psychopath he is in the comics instead of just a cunning sociopath.

[Miriel]

Can't say I agree with Miriel on this one. Well I agree that last week's was the best episode all season, and maybe in the whole show, but for this one I thought the first quarter/third was pretty mediocre and slow, but once they got to the stalking part it picked up a lot. They did do some dumb trout like having the Governor do that whistle in a transparent attempt to seem creepy, but for the most part he actually WAS intimidating as smurf, walking around like the Terminator and with more determination and mechanical single-mindedness than the walkers have. I can't believe I actually like an Andrea episode this much but welp.

Plus, Milton found a big pair of brass balls and immediately installed them, which is something I can get behind 100%

Finally, the charred zombies in the pit were grim as smurf and I commend the special effects guys for their work. Holy trout.

My post was made before the Sunday episode.

Morgan episode = 2 weeks ago. Episode following = 1 week ago. The stupid Rick/governor episode.

This Sunday's episode was ok and toward the end became more suspenseful. But the first half just dragged. I just really don't care about the henchmen or Tyreese and his little group. That guy who hates that another man saved his wife? Wah wah wah. Grow up! And I could not freakin believe that Andrea didn't take the car. I was screaming for her to take the car. The torture room freaked me out and I really really hope we don't have to watch any female torture scenes. :/ I still don't think the Actor who plays the governor is strong enough but he was better in this episode. But then again, I also think the lady who plays Andrea is pretty bad too. Actually... The Walking Dead in general does not have great acting.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

The guys who played Shane, Dale, and T. Dogg were good actors.

[Madame Adequate]

Oh hurrr I didn't see the date. Ignore me then!

[Del Murder]

Yeah, I did like the suspenseful stuff in this week's episode, though it did focus on the weaker characters, but the one from last week was one of the worst in the series. Odd, since it followed one of the best in the series.

[Rantz]

Also Milton is totally gonna die and probably horribly at the hands The Governor which serves him right for knowing about a friggin' torture chamber and just now telling someone about it. Dude wtf.
Didn't the Governor only just set the torture chamber up this same episode? Or was he just refurbishing it?

I thought Milton was a total creeper when we first met him and I figured he was gonna turn out to be the Mad Scientist type. Starting to like him a bit more as a character now that we're getting to know him as more of a nerd out of his element.


I also this is the first time I actually felt scared watching the show. I felt like Andrea. Like oh god please don't catch her dumbass. This is the first time I felt he was actually terrifying and hopefully he will start becoming more like the psychopath he is in the comics instead of just a cunning sociopath.
trout yeah that was pretty scary (as MILF said, the whistling was incredibly cheesy but actually effective).

Edit: Also I think Tyreese and his lady could be interesting enough if they get a bit more development. Ditch the others in their group though, they're lame.

[Miriel]

The guys who played Shane, Dale, and T. Dogg were good actors.

T-Dog gets a pass because he was never really given a chance to act on the show. But I thoughts the actors who played Shane and Dale were particularly terrible. Over the top, cheesy, scene chewing, etc. Dale in particular had this one default wide-eyed, mouth agape look that made me want to punch him in the face.

Carl is bad, but he's a kid and most kid actors suck.

Of the group, I think the actors who play Glenn and Merle are the best. The actor who plays Merle is surprisingly great. He can go from being truly disgusting and menacing to having a kind of kicked puppy dog look. He's fantastic. And the actress who plays Carol has gotten much much better I think. Conversely, I thought the actress who played Lori got progressively worse. She too had that default eyes-bulging look all the time.

But overall, the Walking Dead is not a show you watch for good acting.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

Miriel, we just... We don't have much in common at all. Except for I agree Lori just got worse and worse, and Merle's actor is pretty good.

[Burtsplurt]

Seriously, Miriel?

David Morrissey (The Governor) is an excellent actor. He has been on British TV and in films for years, and he's often the standout performer. Try the original British TV version of State of Play. Same with Chad Coleman (Tyrese) - he was one of the best actors in The Wire, and that takes some doing. Alright, his character hasn't had a lot to do yet - and he may not be flawed enough to be a main character - but I liked the focus on him this week.

[Madame Adequate]

What are you talking about Carl has been awesome this season

[blackmage_nuke]

I started watching the show last week and just caught up with the series.

Here is my progression thoughts as I remember them

meh
Woah
This show is awesome!
This group is so selfish
The group seems to cause more problems wherever they go
Glenn keeps getting better and better
Why is everyone hating on Daryl
I wonder if Morales is still alive
Oh that whacky Otis :roll2
NOOOO Not Otis! :cry:
The group DEFINITELY causes more problems wherever they go
I cant wait till Merle shows up again
NOOOO Not Dale's Hat!
NOOOO Not Dale!
About time they got rid of Shane
NOOOO Not Dale's Caravan!


And as for season 3

Who the smurf is that guy?
Oh its Hershel
Michonne is pretty cool
Ugh Daryl and Carol :barf:
Yay it's Merle!
Ugh it's Merle
Geez just let the two prisoners live in the guard booth if it bothers you that much
Rick is a jerk, especially after all strangers that helped him.
This fight scene is going to get inten...
ARGH GLASS IN THE EYE STABBIES :yuck:


And a question
Why doesn't Andrea tell the scientist about those brain scans they saw at the cdc?

[Miriel]

Seriously, Miriel?

David Morrissey (The Governor) is an excellent actor. He has been on British TV and in films for years, and he's often the standout performer. Try the original British TV version of State of Play. Same with Chad Coleman (Tyrese) - he was one of the best actors in The Wire, and that takes some doing. Alright, his character hasn't had a lot to do yet - and he may not be flawed enough to be a main character - but I liked the focus on him this week.
He might be good in other stuff, but I don't find him to be particularly engaging in TWD. The only time he was ever really effective in being convincingly threatening was in the most recent episode. And even that was hampered by cheesy whistling. I didn't say he was a bad actor, I said he wasn't strong enough to carry the some of the scenes he's been in. There's a lack of screen presence about him that bores me. And it might be a conscious effort to play his character more mildly until this last episode, but the result is that for most of the season he's been umimpressive.

As for Tyreese, are you seriously trying to argue that you watched his scenes in TWD and thought, "wow, that is some great acting coming from him"?

TWD is simply not a show you watch to enjoy fantastic acting. It's just not.

Milf, Carl has gotten tons better this season. Still not a good actor though. Not his fault, there's very very very few kid actors who are really good. He gets a gold star for improving but he started off really fucking bad.

[McLovin']

I just hated the fact that the governor found Andrea after driving around in the middle of freakin nowhere! How the hell? I don't think the governor is a bad actor, just that the character he plays isn't that likable of a villain. Least Merle's got some swag. Once again a pretty useless first half of the episode. Loved the charred zombies.

[Del Murder]

Merle is the best villain of the series.

[Freya]

As usual i completely disagree with miriels opinions on a tv show but jve learned that its always that way ha.

I think the governer is doing a great job of the public face vs private face.

[Del Murder]

Playing with his torturing tools and stalking Andrea through the factory were pretty creepy.

[Madame Adequate]

I just hated the fact that the governor found Andrea after driving around in the middle of freakin nowhere! How the hell?

Well... he knew where she was going, so...

[blackmage_nuke]

I just hated the fact that the governor found Andrea after driving around in the middle of freakin nowhere! How the hell?

Well... he knew where she was going, so...

I was under the impression she was blindly crashing along forest until she happened to come across the building.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I just hated the fact that the governor found Andrea after driving around in the middle of freakin nowhere! How the hell?

Well... he knew where she was going, so...

I was under the impression she was blindly crashing along forest until she happened to come across the building.

She was heading back to the prison. :p

[Shiny]

most kid actors suck.


Not really. In fact the reason why kid actors are usually better than adult actors is because they don't over think like adults do. The actor who plays Carl is not the best I've seen, but he does a good job.

I'll agree with your comment about Shane and Dale though; Dale especially. Though I feel like Shane was over the top that is basically his personality so the actor nailed that.

T Dog can suck it. Boring ass under-developed character.

David Morissey is terrific. Frightening and subtle though I wish they would let him be more evil already. :colbert:

[Madame Adequate]

I just hated the fact that the governor found Andrea after driving around in the middle of freakin nowhere! How the hell?

Well... he knew where she was going, so...

I was under the impression she was blindly crashing along forest until she happened to come across the building.

Yeah, she did that AFTER he chased her down. But he already knows the area and where she was going, so it wouldn't have been tough to guess places she might pass through. :p

[Del Murder]

Not really. In fact the reason why kid actors are usually better than adult actors is because they don't over think like adults do. The actor who plays Carl is not the best I've seen, but he does a good job.
Da smurf? Name five child actors who are better than the average adult actor. Other than that girl in Beasts of the Southern Wild, who is an exception rather than the rule, I can't think of one.

[Shiny]

Yeaaah I'm not listing especially because I cba to figure out the names. Some of the films I saw were obscure indies, but I will say this: pretty much every good actor that is young or fairly young was once an amazing child actor.


Jodie Foster - Taxi Driver

Natalie Portman - The Professional

Christian Bale - Newsies (just kidding that movie blowed)

I've really only seen bad child acting in a poorly directed and written film, Spy Kids.

[Madame Adequate]

You shut your mouth, Spy Kids ownes bones

[McLovin']

Hit Girl you fools!

[Shiny]

Oh yeah, she was good but that role doesn't really showcase her acting chops more than it jut exploits her. She's going to be playing Carrie so we'll see how she does in that.

[Miriel]

Not really. In fact the reason why kid actors are usually better than adult actors is because they don't over think like adults do. The actor who plays Carl is not the best I've seen, but he does a good job.


O_O

No. Just full stop, no.

There are occasional children actors who are good, but most are super limited in their abilities. And HELL NO to the idea that kid actors are *usually* better than adults.

The kid who plays Carl was horribly bad the first season, and pretty bad the 2nd season. He is ok this season. But he's also growing up, which means he might just be learning to get better as he grows. He was 11 when he started walking dead. Now he's almost 14. I would say another year and he won't be in the "child" actor territory anymore. He does look way younger though.

[Del Murder]

Yeaaah I'm not listing especially because I cba to figure out the names. Some of the films I saw were obscure indies, but I will say this: pretty much every good actor that is young or fairly young was once an amazing child actor.

Jodie Foster - Taxi Driver

Natalie Portman - The Professional

Christian Bale - Newsies (just kidding that movie blowed)

I've really only seen bad child acting in a poorly directed and written film, Spy Kids.
You named like the only two ever.

[Shiny]

Those are definitely not the only two but their names are the only ones I can actually remember. Not because they weren' t good but because the films weren't as big as the ones mentioned above.

I also find television children to be much funnier on shows than adults.

Oh wait I forgot Stand By Me...most of the kids in that film were better actors as children.

I have been to casting calls and seen how children audition compared to adults. Children are more free and less over thinking, which makes them more natural and less forced. Granted I have seem some horrible child actors audition but a lot of the time it seems to be because of their helicopter parents controlling how they read their lines. The actor who plays Carl is no where near being bad. Amazing? No, but definitely not bad and definitely a less forced than other cast members who try to hard to be a "thing" like Michonne with her angry black woman thing and Dale with his...whatever Dale was trying to be.

[fire_of_avalon]

I don't get why we hate Andrea.
Now do you get it? How did it take her this long to realize the Governor is a psycho?

Just hurry up and get to the damn war so we can go back to more interesting episodes like the Morgan one.
This irritates me because in the first half of the season, she literally saw nothing that the audience knew about. From her very limited perspective Phillip was a determined and compassionate man who was after her ladybits. She didn't see all the murder/heads in aquariums/plans to kill Michonne when we saw it. And she's been really suspicious of him since the arena, which is where she saw the crazy violent psychopath part of him for the first time.

How many of you could seriously say you could immediately turn on someone you cared about, someone to whom you felt you owed your survival, and kill them. I mean if Andrea could've done that so easily, then she could have, and would have, killed Michonne when she saw her almost kill the Governor the first time. Andrea wants to find a place in the world that she can work with people to make habitable and communal again. Up until the torture chamber, she thought there was a way she could help bring peace between the two camps, that the Governor could be reasoned with. You can't fault someone for not having the information to make an assessment.

And yeah, I know, Michonne "told" her what happened, but what Michonne really did was use it to retaliate against Andrea for hurting her. Even so, as soon as Andrea had concrete evidence that the Governor planned to torture/rape/kill/maim Michonne and destroy the group, she immediately tried to end it.


Andrea had it coming. She stayed even when she became suspicious. People who haven't even been there for that long feel something is off about him and yet because she bonked him she set aside her suspicions and the suspicions of other people close to her. Dumb as hell.

Also Milton is totally gonna die and probably horribly at the hands The Governor which serves him right for knowing about a friggin' torture chamber and just now telling someone about it. Dude wtf.

I also this is the first time I actually felt scared watching the show. I felt like Andrea. Like oh god please don't catch her dumbass. This is the first time I felt he was actually terrifying and hopefully he will start becoming more like the psychopath he is in the comics instead of just a cunning sociopath.
See above about limited knowledge and seeing a different side of him. Furthermore, Tyrese is also willing to set aside his woogy feelings to keep his group there, even though that Alan dude is a bastard. So does that make him stupid too?

I am just starting to kind of like Milton, but I don't think he burned the pit zombies. I think even if he did play a huuuuge hand like that, he isn't ballsy enough to come out and mention it to the Governor.


Merle is the best villain of the series.
Yep.

OH GOD I DO NOT WANT HIM TO MURDER RAPE ANDREA. Like that scene where he grabs her at the prison? I almost died.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

Finally, someone else who understands Andrea's position. FoA, you have gained 5 internets today. Everyone else hating on Andrea, shame.

[Del Murder]

And yeah, I know, Michonne "told" her what happened, but what Michonne really did was use it to retaliate against Andrea for hurting her. Even so, as soon as Andrea had concrete evidence that the Governor planned to torture/rape/kill/maim Michonne and destroy the group, she immediately tried to end it.
Why would she trust someone she's known for a few weeks over someone she's known for months and literally owes her survival? Also, she may not know everything we did in the first half of the season, and she's forgiven for that, but she knew it all in the last episode, and still went back there.

[fire_of_avalon]

Are you asking why she didn't leave Woodbury with Michonne in the first place? If so, I think that Woodbury was too tempting. I probably would've stayed too, even if my bff said something was fishy. People do stupid things to feel safe. If you mean to question why she would go back to Woodbury after Rick and The Governor's meeting, I think it's because she felt she could do some good there, convince everyone the prison wasn't a threat. And maybe she felt like she didn't belong with the Ricktatorship anymore. And also plot contrivance. :)

EDIT: Also, I have 5 internets. Your argument is invalid.

[Del Murder]

I don't know what that last sentence means, but I will accept plot contrivance as the best argument for all of it.

[Shlup]

I don't get why we hate Andrea.
Now do you get it? How did it take her this long to realize the Governor is a psycho?

Just hurry up and get to the damn war so we can go back to more interesting episodes like the Morgan one.

Yes, actually. ;____;

NOW THAT YOU KNOW HE'S NUTS YOU JUST WALK THE FUCK AWAY WHEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO KILL HIM GODDAMMIT I HATE ANDREA STARTING THIS WEEK.

[Slothy]

Why would she trust someone she's known for a few weeks over someone she's known for months and literally owes her survival? Also, she may not know everything we did in the first half of the season, and she's forgiven for that, but she knew it all in the last episode, and still went back there.

Firstly: do you honestly have trouble understanding why someone who spent six months on the run, on foot no less, through walker infested country would want to stay in a place with walls, showers and hot meals? If that seems so strange then I have to question your sanity.

Second: yes, she spent months on the run with Michonne. And from what little we saw of them together on their own, Michonne didn't talk much then either. And if this person who rarely says a word suddenly came to you ranting about how the person you think saved you both was crazy and dangerous and would kill you both, are you going to believe her or the guy who seems perfectly rational and calm and who welcomed you into a relatively safe community?

Honestly, I'm not sure where you're difficulty understanding Andreas temptation in this comes from.

And when you say last episode, do you mean the previous episode where the Governor met up with Rick to pretend to deal? Because she still didn't know everything in that episode. Nobody actually bothered to tell her about things like the Governor making Maggie think he might rape her. They alluded to him being a bad guy and that was it. They never actually told her the details which probably would have convinced her to just leave right then and there.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

Except killing him really wouldn't have solved anything. Not until the Woodberry militia were turned towards peace, too. If she'd killed the Governor then, and it was obvious someone had assassinated him, there would have been even worse consequences. That's why she had to run. And, the fact that he followed her, meant that along the way she could try to kill him, but would only dare do so through the walkers. Otherwise, if anyone found the body, or his walking corpse, with a bullet hole or stab wound in it, again, they'd know he was assassinated.

[Slothy]

but would only dare do so through the walkers. Otherwise, if anyone found the body, or his walking corpse, with a bullet hole or stab wound in it, again, they'd know he was assassinated.

Actually, it's more like he had a gun and she didn't so standing her ground wasn't actually an option.

But you are right about her not shooting him. Had she shot him, she might not have made it out of Woodbury alive, and then the entire town would come down on the prison since a former member of their group was the one to kill him. And they'd have no warning that they were coming.

[Del Murder]

I guess it's all believeable if you assume that she's just not a naturally suspicious or cautious person, and being a catious person myself, that reason alone would cause me not to like her. But it's hard to believe that someone would be so trusting so quickly after everything she's been through and the situation they are in. That doesn't just go for Andrea, it's strange that all of Woodbury just gladly goes along with all the suspicious ass stuff that goes on around there.

I'll have to read the comic now because I'm sure this is better written in there.

[Miriel]

LONG POST AHEAD!

Honestly, everything about Woodbury just stretched the limits of believability.

People, you are in a zombie apocalypse. I don't care how smurfing secure you think you are in your town, you DO NOT spend your days having picnic and drinking smurfing lemonade. The whole Stepford idyllic setup of Woodbury never worked for me. The world has gone to trout. Yeah, you've secured your borders, but does that really mean these people spend their time watering their plants?! Absurd. And only certain people are allowed to have guns, which is something that irritated the smurf out of me with Rick & Company too when they didn't want the women to have guns. Are you kidding me?! And once the townies started freaking out a bit, one little pep talk from Andrea and they start nodding along as though everything is fine now? The whole situation is ridic.

So you have this already bizarre town and you throw dumbass Andrea into the mix. First of all, the viewers already aren't prone to like her given how she's behaved previously.

So here's Woodbury and it's all fantastic and rainbows and she's getting some sexy time action to boot. Ok, fine. But once her BFF warns her that something isn't right and does everything she can to leave asap, even if Andrea didn't want to go with her she should have started being a little more wary after this.

Instead of being all, "GIRL YOU'RE CRAZY, EVERYTHING IS FINE!!" she could have been like, "Yeah, maybe everything isn't on the up and up but let's bide our time and see how things go." She literally just dismissed any cautionary word that Michonne had. It also didn't help that The Walking Dead relies on everyone NOT COMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER. Which is horrid.

But I think viewers would not hate on Andrea as much if she just displayed a healthy, necessary for survival, level of skeptiscim. Watching things more closely and not being blinded by the Governor. Viewers also might have been more sympathetic to Andrea if she didn't ALWAYS come across as a know-it-all. Andrea smurfing SWAGGERS all the time. And it's infuriating because she is so not badass but she thinks she is.

Compare Andrea's reaction to Woodbury with Tyreese. Both were all, THANK YOU BABY JESUS FOR THIS HAVEN!!

But one whiff of something off and Tyreese and his sister are immediately on their guard. And even the other two guys who are in their group. They know that everything isn't sunshine and rainbows, but they don't care. They just want to be safe and stay. Which is a realistic thing, I think.

So I don't think I would hate Andrea as much if she chose Woodbury with her eyes wide open. Like, if she knew that maybe everything wasn't kosher but chose safety instead of the dangers of the outside. If she made the decision that she would accept things that weren't morally ok in exchange for her own survival. But she didn't. She just acted like everything was peachy. THAT is what's so infuriating about Andrea.

[Shiny]

It is believable in the sense that whenever sex is involved people tend to turn a blind eye to things that are clearly not good for them. I also think it's in Andrea's character to get attached to people—men in particular—really quickly. She is a serial dater in this show so far and wouldn't be surprised if she hooks up with Rick. She should've known hoes before bros mang and LISTENED TO MICHONNE.

[Freya]

Daryl's reaction at the end of this most recent episode made my heart wrench :( No tears bebe no tears :(

[CimminyCricket]

Right?! I had to catch the late second viewing and I was all "NO BRO IT'S OKAY BRO NO IT'S OKAY ;_; BRO i'm so sorry bro"

Jas was watching him push Merle around and she was all "he can't kill his brother" and then Daryl just stabbed that face like he could get an orgasm from it.

[NorthernChaosGod]

Poor Daryl. :(

[Del Murder]

Really sad end to that episode. :(

[Depression Moon]

Great, great, ep!

[Miriel]

My poor bb Daryl. :crying2:

[Rantz]

;___________________;

[blackmage_nuke]

My poor bb Daryl. :crying2:


Poor Daryl. :(


Right?! I had to catch the late second viewing and I was all "NO BRO IT'S OKAY BRO NO IT'S OKAY ;_; BRO i'm so sorry bro"

Jas was watching him push Merle around and she was all "he can't kill his brother" and then Daryl just stabbed that face like he could get an orgasm from it.


Daryl's reaction at the end of this most recent episode made my heart wrench :( No tears bebe no tears :(

So no one here feels at all sorry for Merle? I guess Michonne was right.

(Poor Merle :()

[Flying Mullet]

I was hoping it would end up a story about the redemption of Merle.

[Shauna]

Merle was a king. :(

[Freya]

He took out a lot of people before he went though. But goddamn the governor kicked his ass. Like holy shit he didn't even hesitate with merle.

[Del Murder]

Still not sure how Gov could beat Merle in a brawl.

[Shiny]

Merle was a king. :(

He was actually a horrible person. The saying of too little too late comes to mind here.

[Shauna]

Yeah, I know. xD I hated him, and I still do.

[blackmage_nuke]

Merle became what people expected of him, he was a victim of society!

[CimminyCricket]

Still not sure how Gov could beat Merle in a brawl.
The dude was shit house drunk and had already had the snot beat out of him after being blind sided by the butt of a rifle. Those things aren't soft and it's enough to knock a few screws loose xD

[Del Murder]

I forgot that he drank so much but that's probably because he was able to sharpshoot pretty accurately.

[CimminyCricket]

I don't recall every shot accurately, but not all of them were kill shots. One dude he got in the knee/leg , another in the shoulder and maybe one or two more in the head/chest. He couldn't have been more than 200 feet from his targets given how close those houses were positioned and the scope he was using would make it hard for a blind man to miss his targets (slight exaggeration). And I think he was hill billy as sin. He probably shot guns as often as most professional basketball players shoot hoops, being drunk doesn't just take away all the skill and muscle memory you've developed over years of practice. Alternatively, it could have just been the Walking Dead skills, like with Hershel's unlimited shell holding shot gun of doom.

[Calliope]

Full of sadness.

[NorthernChaosGod]

Still not sure how Gov could beat Merle in a brawl.



My poor bb Daryl. :crying2:


Poor Daryl. :(


Right?! I had to catch the late second viewing and I was all "NO BRO IT'S OKAY BRO NO IT'S OKAY ;_; BRO i'm so sorry bro"

Jas was watching him push Merle around and she was all "he can't kill his brother" and then Daryl just stabbed that face like he could get an orgasm from it.


Daryl's reaction at the end of this most recent episode made my heart wrench :( No tears bebe no tears :(

So no one here feels at all sorry for Merle? I guess Michonne was right.

(Poor Merle :()
I feel bad for him. He just wanted to be with his brother, but he couldn't because he realized he was kind of a piece of shit. I just feel more for Daryl.


Still not sure how Gov could beat Merle in a brawl.

I honestly expected that to at least go longer before his death. It would have made much more sense.

[Flying Mullet]

I don't recall every shot accurately, but not all of them were kill shots. One dude he got in the knee/leg , another in the shoulder and maybe one or two more in the head/chest. He couldn't have been more than 200 feet from his targets given how close those houses were positioned and the scope he was using would make it hard for a blind man to miss his targets (slight exaggeration). And I think he was hill billy as sin. He probably shot guns as often as most professional basketball players shoot hoops, being drunk doesn't just take away all the skill and muscle memory you've developed over years of practice.
I was under the impression that Merle was purposely maiming and not killing the guys so they would have to suffer deaths from the zombies.

[Del Murder]

Same here.

[CimminyCricket]

I took it as he was going there to die and take as many of them as he could with them and I only recall one guy getting eaten alive right at the beginning. I was also playing FFXI, so not all of my attention was focused on the show D:

[Del Murder]

Well, any good soldier knows that wouding your enemy is much more devastating than killing him.

[Calliope]

Sometimes you just can't take anymore, but you gotta take down some fascists before you go.

Last night I had nightmares about my brother dying :(

[Del Murder]

From zombies?

[CimminyCricket]

Well, any good soldier knows that wouding your enemy is much more devastating than killing him.

Any good soldier knows that if you wound your enemy and he survives you have to provide him with medical attention : P

[Del Murder]

There's no geneva convention in world war z.

[CimminyCricket]

Any good soldier knows that if you wound your enemy and he dies from it he comes back twice as obnoxious.

[fire_of_avalon]

The last few weeks I've had to catch the new episodes at my friends' because they DVR it. I almost lost it tonight after we watched Merle die.

It did bring to mind a great question, though. Does good, true good just trying to survive and make the world a little safer for the ones they care about, do they need evil men to help take care of them. Merle was kind of redeemed in the fact that he didn't want his brother or his brother's new family to have the blood of a relative innocent on their hands. Merle was already damned. What's a few more bodies to him?

Still. He never said goodbye to his brother. That would kill me if it were my sister. I hope Daryl realizes what Merle did for him. I'm glad we got a Merle episode, but I'm sad it had to be at the end of his time on the show.

[Del Murder]

I don't think it's possible to do true good in a zombie apocalypse.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

Meh, Merle will be back next season as a clone or something. That's all I'm waiting for for The Walking Dead: Going downhill fast with weird sy-fy era technology and psychic powers like Resident Evil did.

[Ouch!]

If that's all you're waiting for, my guess is that you're going to be pretty disappointed.

[fire_of_avalon]

I posted this on facebook a few minutes ago, but I really can't say if I have enough emotional stability to watch this finale. This season has been even more emotional and heartbreaking than last season, and with the exception of Lori's death and Merle's zombification they've been pulling all their punches.

[blackmage_nuke]

Did we every find out who took the van that prevented them getting back to camp in S1? I always thought Merle was too obvious and maybe it was Morgan but that doesnt seem to be the case.

[fire_of_avalon]

It is the great mystery of the show. In the end we will have all the answers, except that one.

AUGH MY HEART. SHE HAD SO MUCH TO GIVE.

Also I'm tired of Carl's little Shane-acting ass. Don't start that shit, you saw what happened to him.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

I think Carl had the right of it. And I thought Glenn was gonna die... Not saying I'm disappointed, but somebody lied to me.

[blackmage_nuke]

TAKE YOUR SWEET TIME ANDREA, KEEP STARING AT HIM AND CHATTING, IT'S NOT LIKE THIS GUY MIGHT BE A WALKER SOON.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

Ok, BM_N, I have to agree with you there. For once, I will get behind the Andrea hatetrain. I concede that, during this last episode she's in, she was absolutely and completely stupid and deserved the death she got.

[Freya]

Maybe if she wasn't wearing such tight pants to show off for the governor then she could have bent her leg easier to grab it. Like how are those tight of pants practical in a zombie apocalypse? really? And she could have killed him with the plyers with one hand, stupid andrea.

[Flying Mullet]

Andrea died so the episode was a success in my book.

[Slothy]

Also I'm tired of Carl's little Shane-acting ass. Don't start that shit, you saw what happened to him.

I don't care what sort of bullshit Herschel wants to spout or the writers want us to believe, Carl was right to shoot that kid. When there are at least two people with guns pointed at you and they tell you to drop yours, you don't keep your gun in hand and slowly walk towards the kid. You put your gun down or you get shot. The closer he got with gun still in hand the bigger the threat he posed. If he had just put it down then killing him wouldn't have been such an immediate necessity, but as it was, his inability to follow orders got him killed and it was the right call.

[Formalhaut]

Andrea died so the episode was a success in my book.

Talking about the comic book, this is quite a radical departure, seeing how in the comic Andrea's still alive

[FFIX Choco Boy]

Formal, welcome to television. Put that right next to Eragon's missing scar, Thalia daughter of Zeus, and Bill and Percy Weasly.

[Flying Mullet]

Andrea died so the episode was a success in my book.

Talking about the comic book, this is quite a radical departure, seeing how in the comic Andrea's still alive
Is Andrea as much of a useless whiny-ass in the comic as she is in the show?

[Bunny]

Mediocre ending to an otherwise decent season. Not entirely stellar, but definitely a massive step up from the utter trash that was most of season 2. I was hoping they would go in a different direction for the next season by killing off The Govenor.

Merle dying was a good thing, as now Daryl can continue his growth without any influences from his racist, dumb-as-rocks brother. They handled it pretty nicely too. Andrea dying was great because she was such a boring and trivial character - all of the scenes involving her were utter trash. Hopefully Season 4 has more Cutty and less stupid drama.

[CimminyCricket]

Andrea died so the episode was a success in my book.

Talking about the comic book, this is quite a radical departure, seeing how in the comic Andrea's still alive
Is Andrea as much of a useless whiny-ass in the comic as she is in the show?

She is way more bad ass in the comic. She is also a great deal younger and instead of the tryst with Shane, she and Dale have a pretty long and serious relationship. She's the best sharpshooter ever.

[Ouch!]

I feel like the show is limited in what ground it can tread by restrictions on what AMC can show on TV. And if this season finale is any indication, we're doomed to slow, painful repetition of the same themes and plot points that became tired a season ago, except this time with different characters. They can only make an issue of the morality of killing to protect oneself so far before it's time to move on from it as a point that characters still openly debate about. First's it's Shane. Then it's Rick. Now it's Carl.

Glad that Andrea is dead. Her death was meaningless in the end, but her character had already played out (twice). I'm not too thrilled about them taking in all the children, elderly, and infirm from Woodbury. It's going to lead to a rehash of trying to take care of a baby except on a much larger scale. It doesn't signal that the show will be going anywhere that we hadn't already been.

I was initially surprised that the Governor survived, but then I re-considered and asked "Who's going to write off David Morrissey when he can escape and become a recurring villain?" That said, this about sums up my feelings on how that whole plot line was "resolved":

http://i.imgur.com/FxgWbGY.jpg

I like the season as a whole (certainly an improvement over the snoozefest that was season two), but the finale gives no promise that the show has anywhere to go but down.

[fire_of_avalon]

You guys are the biggest bunch of buzz-killing buzz-killers ever. :(

[Bunny]

Why? Because the season finale was mediocre compared to the rest of the season?

[fire_of_avalon]

No, I thought some earlier episodes were better than this one. But saying that the show is now doomed, all the themes and characters suck, etc. Buzz-killers.

And it makes me mad that everyone hates Andrea. I had a really long, in depth post I was thinking about earlier today, but meh.

[Ouch!]

I'm not arguing that the themes and characters suck, there's plenty of characters that I genuinely like. Daryl is still awesome. Rick looks like he's not going to be such an obnoxious smurf anymore. Michonne improved significantly throughout the season. Tyreese looks like he's in a good position to play the group's moral compass without constantly whining. The themes and plot arcs they have touched on also have been good, but they've been done.

I watched Andrea fall for the bad guy and get burned by it. Twice. I watched Shane play the survival-at-all-costs card and got the bad ending. I watched Rick play the survival-at-all-costs card and got the good ending. I don't need to watch Carl follow it now. I was interested to see Rick's slow descent into insanity, but the meaningful glance at the end of the episode to where he had previously seen Lori suggests that's been resolved. Which is disappointing, since I'd rather watch Rick continue to struggle with how much he can handle, how much he can lose (and try not to turn out like Morgan in the process), instead of a third consecutive season of questioning the role of morality as it conflicts with survival in extreme situations.

The first season was great because they spent it working towards a goal. The second season was awful because a majority of it was sitting on a farm waiting for something to happen. The third season was most exciting when it pitted the group against the Governor and best when it asked tough questions about how far someone can go before they snap (Morgan). The third season sets us up to repeat the second season except sitting in a prison trying to take care of a bunch of kids and elderly. The Governor is still around, but he's no longer powerful enough to pose a main threat without it being drawn out. I'm curious exactly what this season finale left us to look forward to. Given the show's very hit-and-miss track record, I don't think I'm unjustified in being skeptical.

[blackmage_nuke]

I actually didn't hate her until this episode.

[McLovin']

More enjoyable episode than most. Glad she died. Rick should have been like "yea you tried and failed ho. And slept with the bad guy. You a ho. Bye ho."

[NorthernChaosGod]

TAKE YOUR SWEET TIME ANDREA, KEEP STARING AT HIM AND CHATTING, IT'S NOT LIKE THIS GUY MIGHT BE A WALKER SOON.
Yeah, dumb ho. She wasted a lot of time.


Maybe if she wasn't wearing such tight pants to show off for the governor then she could have bent her leg easier to grab it. Like how are those tight of pants practical in a zombie apocalypse? really? And she could have killed him with the plyers with one hand, stupid andrea.
You're supposed to wear tight clothing so there's less to grab onto.



Also I'm tired of Carl's little Shane-acting ass. Don't start that shit, you saw what happened to him.

I don't care what sort of bullshit Herschel wants to spout or the writers want us to believe, Carl was right to shoot that kid. When there are at least two people with guns pointed at you and they tell you to drop yours, you don't keep your gun in hand and slowly walk towards the kid. You put your gun down or you get shot. The closer he got with gun still in hand the bigger the threat he posed. If he had just put it down then killing him wouldn't have been such an immediate necessity, but as it was, his inability to follow orders got him killed and it was the right call.

I actually thought that he might try and make a play for Carl's gun since he was walking closer. If two people had guns drawn on me like that, I would have dropped my gun where I stood and snapped my hands up.

[Shlup]

I'm bummed that everyone moved to the prison instead of the nice little town.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

Yeah, I DO wonder why they didn't move into Woodbury. I mean, with both of the prison's gates now out, and the breach in the back end, it's not going to be a very fun time in there...

[Rantz]

With more people they can do a lot more to repair and fortify. Sure, most of those people are infirm or otherwise unsuited to physical tasks, but there are other things they can cover to leave the physically able free to make it an even better place to stay. Honestly, the prison is a ridiculously practical place to camp in a zombie apocalypse.

That said, I'm not looking forward to them spending another season holed up in there, so I hope it goes in another direction, unless they come up with another good way to make it more interesting. And Woodbury definitely had the cute factor going for it.

[CimminyCricket]

Woodbury was definitely the Governor's domain. Rather than step into a territory they are largely unfamiliar with, with only a small number of people trust worthy enough to defend it, they stayed in a place they are familiar with and have already proved they could defend from a larger force.

[Shlup]

It seems to me like Woodbury is not only fortified, but comfortable, which is of no small importance. I don't see how the prison is that much more secure to justify giving up an entire town that's both secure and pleasant.

I disapprove of their choices and I hope Carl shoots more people.

[blackmage_nuke]

It seems to me like Woodbury is not only fortified, but comfortable, which is of no small importance. I don't see how the prison is that much more secure to justify giving up an entire town that's both secure and pleasant.


Woodbury was secure because despite it's size it was guarded 24/7 by a squad of trained armed people with a small army of trained armed people ready to jump into action in an emergency. These people were recently gunned down and all thats left to gaurd the rather small town from all directions is the old, the infirmed and the children plus a few people who would actually manage to handle a gun.

It might be secure from walkers but without a 24/7 armed gaurd the guv could sneak in and start murderising people again. Not to mention he knows the place better than anyone. If there were any weak spots or secret entrances he'd be the one to exploit them.

Also if any newbies give them lip they can just throw them in a cell instead of letting them run wild like Shane or handcuffing them to a pipe on a roof or something

[Shlup]

A lot of people were gunned down, but more people can be trained and there are a few more people from the prison group to cover. Yeah, both options have advantages and disadvantages, but I still pick Woodbury.

[Flying Mullet]

Woodbury has bad juju now.

[Shiny]

The writers made Andrea so stupid, so her death was inevitable. When they make you hate a character that much you know they're going to die. What would be great if they killed off a really loved character. Now THAT would be shocking. The comics tend to be no holds bars on this.

I really hope Morgan comes back in the next season. His character development was the most interesting by far. Carl is rash, but he's smarter than Rick. Rick is entirely too trusting of people. He is a mixture of Rick and Shane at best.

[Bunny]

A lot of people were gunned down, but more people can be trained and there are a few more people from the prison group to cover. Yeah, both options have advantages and disadvantages, but I still pick Woodbury.

The main group was more familiar, and comfortable, with the fortifications of the prison as compared to Woodbury. Additionally, the Governor, presumably, knew every inch of Woodbury and could, in theory, exploit the weaknesses that he knew existed in order to gain an advantage over the group. Had they known that the Governor and his lackeys were truly dead, Woodbury would have been the better option. Since they know, or assume, that he is still alive, the prison (a place where the Governor is unfamiliar with) is perhaps the better option.

[Del Murder]

Yeah with the Guv still at large Woodbury would be risky. But they clearly see his army is gone now so if they don't go after him to finish the job then they are pretty stupid.

Not as stupid as Guv's two goons who stuck with him though. What the hell is wrong with them?

Also it took a while but Guv is firmly a legit villain now. In the last two episodes that dude was freaking intense.

[Shorty]

Yeah with the Guv still at large Woodbury would be risky.

This was my thinking as well. The prison is so large and there's plenty of room for everyone.

I really started to like Andrea more as time has gone on. I wasn't expecting her to die, and I think that her death was pretty anti-climactic. She could have easily fought him off with that tool at the distance he was at - she's done more with less in the past. I realized that I probably identify with Andrea the most out of any of the other folks in this show. I could see myself being compassionate toward both groups and trying to solve problems without war or anyone getting killed. It's unrealistic, and she was stupid to turn a blind eye to so much that was going on in Woodbury and not taking chances when she should have, but that's probably how I would react if I were in her situation as well. Andrea has come so far from being that person who wanted to stay in that shelter or science-y place or whatever that was self-destructing. She turned into a powerful, confident, brave woman who struggled with trying to do what she thought was the best for everyone and I admire her for that.

The ending was pretty anti-climactic as well. I would have liked to see a hint about the Governor or a new threat or something to lead us into the next season beside the fact that they acquired new people to the group.

Carl is turning into a little trouthead, but I understood his reasoning after he explained all of those unnecessary deaths that could have been prevented by not taking chances to Rick.

The one ounce of humanity that I finally saw shine through Michonne was when she brought back that damned ceramic cat. Her smiling and talking to Carl for those few seconds really, really made me like her. I would love to see more of that. She also seemed to let herself come through in the last couple of episodes, and I liked that. I just want her to stop being such a little bitch that I want to strangle all the time. Though her staying with Andrea in the last scene really made me sad.

I like that Rick has backed off his crazy.

Merle really came through like I hoped he would. I've been hoping that he would try to rectify his acting jerky for so long, and he finally did. It made me really sad, because I started to like him and see the struggle he put up with in feeling like he had no choice but to be the bad guy, to be the guy who takes out the trash for every one. Then he realized that he had a choice and acted on it. Daryl finding him just shattered my heart. :(

Did they extend this season by a few more epsiodes? I feel like the other ones were only 12, but maybe I'm wrong. In any case, I like that it was a little longer.

I'm interested to see how they can keep this thing going. Like babe said, the show continuing for survival is boring, and I'd like to see something other than the Governor being the threat for the entire next season because that was done already.

[Rantz]

Here's something that should have been in the credits to the season 3 finale.

xDL0N4842MU

Edit: Except all the other dancers are replaced with walkers.

[Calliope]

That took too long to load, so I am imagining a Bollywood dance sequence instead.

[FFIX Choco Boy]

I was thinking more along the lines of driving off in his car with a horde of walkers behind him, smoking a cigarette and the camera panning to the prison, in the direction he's heading... But that's too sane and likely of a scenario.

[Flying Mullet]

Bad lip reading makes The Walking Dead so much better. :aimsmile:

jR4lLJu_-wE

[Del Murder]

Loved Governor on Broadway.

[Calliope]

Dreet!

[Ouch!]

Bump for season four trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSi2fJALDyQ

I was pretty bummed about the end of season three. I was all about ready to give up on the show, but this trailer has gotten me pretty stoked about season four.

[Shlup]

Look at all the black people! Taking bets now on how many make it to the season finale.

Hopefully they finally realized the fans are displeased with the one-black-guy-at-a-time trend. That was seriously bothering me.

[Flying Mullet]

Andrea's dead so the show can go nowhere but up.

[Calliope]

Looking forward to it.

[Bunny]

Can they just move this show up to Baltimore, get the entire cast of the Wire and just have them fighting zombies? That'd be neat.

[Shaibana]

Bad lip reading makes The Walking Dead so much better. :aimsmile:

jR4lLJu_-wE

ooh god, this one yes!! haha i saw it before.. i almost fell off my chair laughing

[Rantz]

Norman Reedus took over the show's instagram account (http://instagram.com/amcthewalkingdead) and looks exactly the same in every picture he includes himself in. Which is still really sexy

[Shaibana]

he didnt take any pictures.. some1 just photoshopped him in it :P

i also know som1 who has the same 'pose' in every freaking picture

[Miriel]

Look at all the black people! Taking bets now on how many make it to the season finale.

Hopefully they finally realized the fans are displeased with the one-black-guy-at-a-time trend. That was seriously bothering me.

My *immediate* reaction when I heard a new black character was joining the show was: OH NO

Because for sure they're going to kill off an existing black character to make room. My bet is that Tyreese's sister is not long for the world.

The trailer looked really good! Like, really good!