Anniversary Mafia Game Thread - The Final Day

[[M] Mom – Host]

ATTENTION: There is no smurfing Jester. I love the role and am going to use it liberally in my set ups but it is not included in this one. Just so we can discuss more interesting things instead. I hate the whole "omg someone is gonna die maybe they're the jester!!" crap, kupo.

Also Laguna is tricking me into thinking Jiro is posting too. Is that weird, kupo? Feel free to change your avatar if you have another picture, [M] Laguna! :mog: Just under an hour to go until we string someone up. Are you happy with your choices, kupo?

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

I'm also quite glad Wakka isn't using the avatar Levian used when he had that Wakka avatar that one time.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Stiltzkin;3165451']Feel free to change your avatar if you have another picture, [M] Laguna!

We do not have permissions to view, let alone change, our profiles.

[[M] Mom – Host]

Faris;3165453']I'm also quite glad Wakka isn't using the avatar Levian used when he had that Wakka avatar that one time.

Couldn't pass up a chance to use this, kupo.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m10nljW1Vj1rrlo81o1_500.jpg

[[M] Mom – Host]

Rydia;3165455']
Stiltzkin;3165451']Feel free to change your avatar if you have another picture, [M] Laguna!

We do not have permissions to view, let alone change, our profiles.

Weird. Last game I changed mine as [M] Loki. I guess some of the accounts are restricted properly! No matter, kupo, we'll all be fine now that Jiro is Halloween Sora anyway.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Stiltzkin;3165456']
Faris;3165453']I'm also quite glad Wakka isn't using the avatar Levian used when he had that Wakka avatar that one time.

Couldn't pass up a chance to use this, kupo.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m10nljW1Vj1rrlo81o1_500.jpg

Oh, that explains why he looks so pretty! :flirt:

[[M] Elize]

What's the vote at? I'm thinking of changing my vote arbitrarily at the last second.

[[M] Mom – Host]

Laguna;3165461']What's the vote at? I'm thinking of changing my vote arbitrarily at the last second.

[M] Sazh (5) - Kain, Quistis, Refia, Rydia, SELFVOTE
[M] Quina (4) - Quistis, Refia, Penelo, Serah, Setzer, Leila, SELFVOTE
[M] Biggs (3) - Kain, Galuf, Cid, Laguna, Serah, Serah, SELFVOTE
[M] Galuf (3) - Wakka, Serah, Blank
[M] Relm (2) - Faris, Laguna
[M] Sezter (1) - Rikku, Yuffie, Laguna
[M] Cid (1) - Wedge, Laguna
[M] Serah (1) - Noctis
[M] Wakka (1) - Relm
[M] Rikku (0) - Rydia, Setzer, Refia, Laguna
[M] Yuffie (0) - Quistis
[M] Quistis (0) - Laguna
[M] Noctis (0) - Serah
[M] Laguna (0) - Yuffie

Twenty minutes to go.

[[M] Elize]

So if I change it to Quina I can force a tie, and if I change it to Wakka it will be completely useless?

[[M] Elize]

Your silence is all the confirmation I need.

##Unvote: Relm
##Vote: Galuf

My reason is simple. People who don't post at all are generally not mafia. People who only post a little bit are much more likely to be mafia, and on Day 1 that tiny increase in probability is enough to go on.

[[M] Mom – Host]

Your reasoning was accurate. I just had to have a tinkle ;) :mog: Updated post count coming, you've got 5-6 minutes until I close things up!

That will be ten minutes past whatever hour it now is. That's the deadline, kupo!

[[M] Elize]

Come on people! We can do this! Or who cares? Those questions and more on DAY 2 OF FF ANNIVERSARY MAFIA.

[[M] Mom – Host]

Current vote count:
[M] Sazh (5) - Kain, Quistis, Refia, Rydia, SELFVOTE
[M] Quina (4) - Quistis, Refia, Penelo, Serah, Setzer, Leila, SELFVOTE
[M] Galuf (4) - Wakka, Serah, Blank, Laguna
[M] Biggs (3) - Kain, Galuf, Cid, Laguna, Serah, Serah, SELFVOTE
[M] Relm (1) - Faris, Laguna
[M] Sezter (1) - Rikku, Yuffie, Laguna
[M] Cid (1) - Wedge, Laguna
[M] Serah (1) - Noctis
[M] Wakka (1) - Relm
[M] Rikku (0) - Rydia, Setzer, Refia, Laguna
[M] Yuffie (0) - Quistis
[M] Quistis (0) - Laguna
[M] Noctis (0) - Serah
[M] Laguna (0) - Yuffie

[[M] Mom – Host]

The moment of truth is coming...

[[M] Mom – Host]

Final Vote Count

[M] Sazh (5) - Kain, Quistis, Refia, Rydia, SELFVOTE
[M] Quina (4) - Quistis, Refia, Penelo, Serah, Setzer, Leila, SELFVOTE
[M] Galuf (4) - Wakka, Serah, Blank, Laguna
[M] Biggs (3) - Kain, Galuf, Cid, Laguna, Serah, Serah, SELFVOTE
[M] Relm (1) - Faris, Laguna
[M] Sezter (1) - Rikku, Yuffie, Laguna
[M] Cid (1) - Wedge, Laguna
[M] Serah (1) - Noctis
[M] Wakka (1) - Relm
[M] Rikku (0) - Rydia, Setzer, Refia, Laguna
[M] Yuffie (0) - Quistis
[M] Quistis (0) - Laguna
[M] Noctis (0) - Serah
[M] Laguna (0) - Yuffie



The shouting ceased as the great Moogle Stiltzkin took the stage. That's right, kupo, it was my time in the spotlight.

"Have we reached a decision?" I bellowed as loudly as my cute form could manage. :mog:

"Sazh, Sazh, Sazh!" the crowd chanted.

I knew he was a popular character; were the townies sure they were voting for the right thing? Oh well, kupo.

"So be it! Let the judged step forward!" :mog:

That's when we realised Sazh hadn't even turned up! Kain flew to Sazh's house on his dragon, picked up the still sleeping man, and flew him back to the town square. The little chicobo chick hopped out of his afro and gave a squeak in sadness :(

Still asleep, Sazh was place into the noose and the platform dropped. There was a sicking crunch, like the sound of a chocobo eating a zeio nut, kupo. Then, he was gone.

Sazh was a Day Vigilante "played" by Shattered Dreamer. He did say he was going to busy, I guess! The thing that gets me though, is that you fuckers lynched the account I was most excited to see in action. Way to smurfing go. Discussions always reach the point where someone is like "##KILL: [M] Jackass" and everyone waits with baited breath and nothing happens. IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THE ACCOUNT TO SOMEONE ELSE OH MY GOD I AM A FAILURE KUPO. :mog:

Night begins now. You have 18ish hours to get this shit done. Because I am super mad at you guys now. Send your night actions to me ASAP. Keep in-game discussion out of the Discussion thread, though general comments and bickering are encouraged. See you all for Day 2, kupo.

[[M] Anise]

lame.

[[M] Mom – Host]

Day dawned and the people of Final Fantasia stepped outside, stretching their tired arms. The walked back to the town centre, where the would continue to spend their days until the dirty rotten infestation had been stamped out, kupo.

Laguna was the first one here, apparently. Oh no. Wait.

He was dead. Sprawled over a park bench, he had about 300 bullet holes in him.

Guess someone didn't like his Timber Maniacs articles...

[M] Laguna was the Doctor played by Del Murder. Cheers for playing pa!



With 23 players left, it takes 12 for a majority lynch. 24 hours starts now.

[[M] Dee]

Well shit. :colbert:

[[M] Joe - Army Dad]

Well Smurf. Lost the doctor too? Not even a crazy voodoo doctor? Dang.

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

Quistis;3165844']Well shit. :colbert:

...yep. That pretty much sums this up nicely. =/

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

It's cool you guys, the town has only lost the second greatest mafia player of all time! :cool:

(me being the greatest of course)

[[M] Dee]

Ha! I am the best. Can't you see how well I'm doing so far? xD

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

anyway can I just say all this "HEH HEH HEH INACTIVES" is a potato

because

IT IS YOU GUYS

"Oh ho hum I will vote for an inactive to make them come out and post!"

Do you really think I'm like sitting there going "doop de doop de doop not gonna post! OHHHH NO! Someone voted for me! My one weakness!"

We all know it's ridiculous and anyone who spouts this as a good sensible tactic is trying to make you think they're good. Easy target, no-one can defend the inactives!

Just stop. In every mafia game ever.

[[M] Joe - Army Dad]

This death just makes me want to stab someone.

...but I won't. Because I'm a townie. :shifty:

[[M] Dee]

Are you!?

[[M] Joe - Army Dad]

So I'm told.

Well, let's get to analyzing votes and stuff. Although in day 2 this is still rather.. non-helpful.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

Kain;3165853']This death just makes me want to stab someone.

...but I won't. Because I'm a townie. :shifty:

I don't think anyone would mind if you stabbed some scum though darling. ;)

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Don't you dare say a bad word about Kain, Quistis. I've got Kain's back. Kain is a true loyal townie. You be extra nice to him.

Or else.​

[[M] Dee]

Current vote count:
[M] Sazh (5) - Kain, Quistis, Refia, Rydia, SELFVOTE
[M] Quina (4) - Quistis, Refia, Penelo, Serah, Setzer, Leila, SELFVOTE
[M] Galuf (4) - Wakka, Serah, Blank, Laguna
[M] Biggs (3) - Kain, Galuf, Cid, Laguna, Serah, Serah, SELFVOTE
[M] Relm (1) - Faris, Laguna
[M] Sezter (1) - Rikku, Yuffie, Laguna
[M] Cid (1) - Wedge, Laguna
[M] Serah (1) - Noctis
[M] Wakka (1) - Relm
[M] Rikku (0) - Rydia, Setzer, Refia, Laguna
[M] Yuffie (0) - Quistis
[M] Quistis (0) - Laguna
[M] Noctis (0) - Serah
[M] Laguna (0) - Yuffie

[[M] Dee]

Forgot the strikes. >.<

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

Yeah leave poor old Kain alone, otherwise he'll get all depressed and let himself get trampled by a herd of RAAAAAGING ELEPHANTS, and no one wants that anymore especially now that the doctor is dead. :(

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Relm;3165863']RAAAAAGING ELEPHANTSRAAAAAAGING BENEVOLENCE

[[M] Joe - Army Dad]

Refia;3165857']
Kain;3165853']This death just makes me want to stab someone.

...but I won't. Because I'm a townie. :shifty:

I don't think anyone would mind if you stabbed some scum though darling. ;)

Where's Cecil when you need him.

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

trouttttttttt :(

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Blank;3165877']trouttttttttt :(sssh. :aimkiss:

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

What about cod? Salmon?

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Blank;3165880']What about cod? Salmon?What about...

oh you know what Blank

just forget it

forget it alright

Live and let live

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

COD is a game for nancy boys like Iceglow and I'm my own Milf and should not be mentioned again. :colbert:

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

Now I don't understand xD

[[M] Caprica]

Heyyyyyyyyy my man.

##VOTE: Blank

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Blank;3165887']Now I don't understand xDI'd be disappointed if that was true. That or amused. Amusappointed. That's me. I've got a lot of mafia to find, Blank. You shouldn't be so lackadaisical in times like these... :sweat:

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Yuffie;3165890']Heyyyyyyyyy my man.

##VOTE: BlankTHAT'S THE KIND OF ALL-AMERICAN HERO I WANT IN MY MOVIE

10/10 yuffie bravo. I'll vote blank too but you have to tell me a really good joke to convince me to do so.

[[M] Dee]

Yuffie;3165890']Heyyyyyyyyy my man.

##VOTE: Blank
Why the vote, Yuffie?

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

Hey, now! Why so mean?

I would make a Final Fantasy joke about Blank right now but to be honest I never played the game!

[[M] Mom – Host]

Hey. Kupo. I'm gonna go out for the day. Try not to fuck up too much while I'm away. I suggest someone make a vote tally every couple hours. If you don't put the unvotes in there and make me do it, I'm going to modkill the lot of ya :mog:

(You don't have to do any vote tallies baby :aimkiss:)

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

So, now that the first vote of the day has been cast, this is the point that we start wildly slinging accusations about, right? :shobon:

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Setzer;3165899']So, now that the first vote of the day has been cast, this is the point that we start wildly slinging accusations about, right? :shobon:I think someone owes someone else an apology for a certain "defensive" comment yesterday. BECAUSE I HAVE AN ACCUSATION HAMMER IN MY PANTS AND IT'S SWINGING FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, SASSY MCGEE.

what the hell is an accusation hammer

hmm

actually don't apologise, now I kind of want to find out.

[[M] Caprica]

Quistis;3165894']
Yuffie;3165890']Heyyyyyyyyy my man.

##VOTE: Blank
Why the vote, Yuffie?Why are you NOT voting for Blank?

[[M] Caprica]

THE TALLY(whacker)
Blank (2) - Self, Yuffie
Almost Everyone Else (1) - Self
Yuffie (0)

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

I think Quistis is waiting for a joke too.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

##Vote: Blank

Lets make things exciting and get discussin' ladies and gents!

[[M] Joe - Army Dad]

Ode to Laguna:

You death saddens me,
Like the death of my magicarp.
Lynching would have been easy,
but it was not meant to be.
Noctis hated you,
this I deeply know.
But now you must depart,
because they shot you through the heart.
If I could ask just one thing,
Try not to fall apart is nasty bits,
When they shoot your.. everything.

You're such a douchebag Noctis. How could you hate him just hours after he died.

p.s. I'm making this up.

p.p.s. Because smurf you. :)

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Tally-WHACKER?

Hahaha!

Classic! :hahaha:

##vote: Blank

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

Well let's even it out then! xD

##vote: Yuffie

Because I accuse Yuffie of being a meanypants! Like an evil person would be!

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

Oh, kay, still not even :(

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

Kain;3165909']Ode to Laguna:

You death saddens me,
Like the death of my magicarp.
Lynching would have been easy,
but it was not meant to be.
Noctis hated you,
this I deeply know.
But now you must depart,
because they shot you through the heart.
If I could ask just one thing,
Try not to fall apart is nasty bits,
When they shoot your.. everything.

You're such a douchebag Noctis. How could you hate him just hours after he died.

p.s. I'm making this up.

p.p.s. Because smurf you. :)

please record yourself singing this in your wonderful voice and I will not vote for you today. not that I am planning on doing that right now anyway but I just really want to hear your sweet serenade once more. :heart:

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Blank;3165912']Because I accuse Yuffie of being a meanypants! Like an evil person would be!Caught you in a trap of logic there, mafia scum.

Yuffie doesn't wear pants. :cool:

Pack it up fellas, war's over, scum caught.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

Noctis;3165916']
Blank;3165912']Because I accuse Yuffie of being a meanypants! Like an evil person would be!Caught you in a trap of logic there, mafia scum.

Yuffie doesn't wear pants. :cool:

Pack it up fellas, war's over, scum caught.

Oh Noxxy-kins, I would swoon for you, but your not a real Final Fantasy character and haven't been in any games yet.

[[M] Dee]

Oh GOD.

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Relm;3165915']
Kain;3165909']Ode to Laguna:

You death saddens me,
Like the death of my magicarp.
Lynching would have been easy,
but it was not meant to be.
Noctis hated you,
this I deeply know.
But now you must depart,
because they shot you through the heart.
If I could ask just one thing,
Try not to fall apart is nasty bits,
When they shoot your.. everything.

You're such a douchebag Noctis. How could you hate him just hours after he died.

p.s. I'm making this up.

p.p.s. Because smurf you. :)

please record yourself singing this in your wonderful voice and I will not vote for you today. not that I am planning on doing that right now anyway but I just really want to hear your sweet serenade once more. :heart:everyone quote this post. let's make the dream happen #kainsings

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Yuffie;3165903']
Quistis;3165894']
Yuffie;3165890']Heyyyyyyyyy my man.

##VOTE: Blank
Why the vote, Yuffie?Why are you NOT voting for Blank?
That's a bit premature. Why so quick to jump the gun on voting?

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Refia;3165919']
Noctis;3165916']
Blank;3165912']Because I accuse Yuffie of being a meanypants! Like an evil person would be!Caught you in a trap of logic there, mafia scum.

Yuffie doesn't wear pants. :cool:

Pack it up fellas, war's over, scum caught.

Oh Noxxy-kins, I would swoon for you, but your not a real Final Fantasy character and haven't been in any games yet.Well at least I'm not a ret-con. :colbert:

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

I can lend her my pants :D

Ah, apparently I don't have any either.

...Well shucks. I'm going to go cry. But I'm not even sure I have eyes. :(

[[M] Dee]

xDDDD

OWNED

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Wow, already bandwagonning, and it's hardly the middle of the day! I'll join along and vote for Blank, but I despise bandwagon votes.

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Faris;3165927']Wow, already bandwagonning, and it's hardly the middle of the day! I'll join along and vote for Blank, but I despise bandwagon votes.How else are we going to pass the time? Rational, logical and sensible votes? NOT ON YOUR NELLY.

TOOT TOOT let's vote for people for no reason! BANDWAGON EXPRESS, NEXT STOP: BLANKSVILLE!

[[M] Caprica]

TALLY(ho!)
Blank (3) - Yuffie, Refia, Noctis
Yuffie (1) - Blank
Almost Everyone Else (1) - Self
Refia (0)
Noctis (0)

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

Faris;3165927']Wow, already bandwagonning, and it's hardly the middle of the day! I'll join along and vote for Blank, but I despise bandwagon votes.

nathanfillion.gif

[[M] Joe - Army Dad]

Don't tempt me. It wouldn't be the first time I do something like that.

Also, time for bed. I have to work tomorrow as well. Before I go.. hmm.. vote for.. hmm..

##vote: Galuf

Because I have no idea who that is supposed to be.

[[M] Caprica]

I see a lot of activity and not a lot of voting. I vote because of the users. If you're not voting, you're part of a machine crushing down on us.

[[M] Dee]

xD

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Yuffie stole my materia! :crying:

##Vote Yuffie

[[M] Caprica]

Lame inactive vote on Day 2? You better hope Galuf actually shows up today or you get back and talk.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

You mean that senile old man, Galuf? You seriously don't know him?

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Leila;3165935']##Vote YuffieWhat's your angle here? Stop it at once.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

Blank;3165925']I can lend her my pants :D

Ah, apparently I don't have any either.

...Well shucks. I'm going to go cry. But I'm not even sure I have eyes. :(

##Unvote: Blank

Blank is a funny one. I can't vote for someone this funny.

[[M] Caprica]

TALLY(vision)
Blank (3) - Yuffie, Refia, Noctis
Yuffie (2) - Blank, Leila
Galuf (2) - Self, Kain
Almost Everyone Else (1) - Self
Refia (0)
Noctis (0)
Kain (0)
Leila (0)

[[M] Caprica]

whoops will update

[[M] Caprica]

Blank (2) - Yuffie, Noctis
Yuffie (2) - Blank, Leila
Galuf (2) - Self, Kain
Almost Everyone Else (1) - Self
Noctis (0)
Kain (0)
Leila (0)

Oooh already something coming to a head!

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Noctis;3165939']
Leila;3165935']##Vote YuffieWhat's your angle here? Stop it at once.

Yes sir... ##Unvote

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

Vote: Penelo

Penelo is too cute, I think we need less cute maidens to distract away from me.

[[M] Apollo]

Just checking in to say that I'm here, and to apologize for being a crappy player who forgets that their even playing :/
Fortunately work isn't very busy at the moment, so I'm going to catch up on everything I've missed since I posted yesterday and give my thoughts on it all.

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

So

Yuffie

Yuffster

The Big Y

What reward is provided to thee whereupon there are a largety of insta-votes?

[[M] Joe - Army Dad]

Yuffie;3165932']I see a lot of activity and not a lot of voting. I vote because of the users. If you're not voting, you're part of a machine crushing down on us.

http://i.imgur.com/C2WrD.png

The machine. Bringing people together since 2001.

[[M] Dee]

What is this....? Am I the only one who's sane here?

[[M] Caprica]

Why do people post that they just got here and need to read before they can say something? Don't post without your comprehensive insights from being absent Day 1.

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

##unvote: Yuffie
##vote: Leila

Why are you just listening to Noctis? And why did you vote Yuffie? Not that I mind because she's a meanySHORTS but just wanna make sure!

[[M] Caprica]

Leila;3165946']
Noctis;3165939']
Leila;3165935']##Vote YuffieWhat's your angle here? Stop it at once.

Yes sir... ##UnvoteIs that valid? I don't even


Noctis;3165950']So

Yuffie

Yuffster

The Big Y

What reward is provided to thee whereupon there are a largety of insta-votes?It's Christmas for everyone.

Nice picture, Kain.

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Blank;3165954']Why are you just listening to Noctis? Doesn't really require an answer, does it? :goofy:

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

Yuffie;3165953']Why do people post that they just got here and need to read before they can say something? Don't post without your comprehensive insights from being absent Day 1.

i'm going to guess it's got something to do with the raging hard-on most people around here have for inactivity and anyone who is inactive is in some way shape or form scum, in the mafia form and any other use of the word you care to choose from and therefore feel pressured into posting I'M HERE I'M HERE just so that some tit doesn't start going "x is inactive lets blame them for everything that's gone wrong :mad2:"

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Yeah, being absent from Day 1 meant you lead a busy life outside of this game and was lucky enough to have made it this far! There's no need to catch up on Day 1 sheenanigans. Just know that Sazh, a daytime vigilante, was killed, and Laguna, a doctor, was killed last night.

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Relm;3165957']
Yuffie;3165953']Why do people post that they just got here and need to read before they can say something? Don't post without your comprehensive insights from being absent Day 1.

i'm going to guess it's got something to do with the raging hard-on most people around here have for inactivity and anyone who is inactive is in some way shape or form scum, in the mafia form and any other use of the word you care to choose from and therefore feel pressured into posting I'M HERE I'M HERE just so that some tit doesn't start going "x is inactive lets blame them for everything that's gone wrong :mad2:"I would rep this post were repping a mafia thing.

who hasn't posted today? Game's been up for an hour, time for a witch hunt!

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

Noctis;3165959']
Relm;3165957']
Yuffie;3165953']Why do people post that they just got here and need to read before they can say something? Don't post without your comprehensive insights from being absent Day 1.

i'm going to guess it's got something to do with the raging hard-on most people around here have for inactivity and anyone who is inactive is in some way shape or form scum, in the mafia form and any other use of the word you care to choose from and therefore feel pressured into posting I'M HERE I'M HERE just so that some tit doesn't start going "x is inactive lets blame them for everything that's gone wrong :mad2:"I would rep this post were repping a mafia thing.

who hasn't posted today? Game's been up for an hour, time for a witch hunt!

Quina is still oddly suspicious. Maybe we hurt it's feeling talking about how ugly and disgusting it is. :(

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Well, the night events blow my plan out of the water, but there is a chance I might spark some thought in someone else:

Early last round, there was a quick pileup on Rikku for being annoying; Now, from a townie's perspective, it doesn't really matter who gets lynched in the absence of any evidence, since someone had to get killed by the town. Why, then, would a townie jump to another player's defence? It's an unspockulatory move, since there's no logical reason to do so, only an emotional one. If Rikku was mafia, though, it would be smart for other mafia members, who know each other, to try to prevent her from being lynched.

The problem is that it was Laguna who started the argument against voting for Rikku, and he's a townie.

Thought the second:


Cid;3164937']I don't want to start a Day 1 attempt at scumhunting until the majority of participants have posted. Day 1 is always a troutshow of jokeposting anyway. But I'll be back later to see if I can pick up on anything.

Here we are on Day 2 with nothing but circumstantial evidence. Well, here's some more: Who could be confident of having something to go on at the start of Day 2? Only the cop. Even with a failed investigation, the cop would know there was someone trustworthy.

Now, put yourself in the position of the mafia. Imagine that you and you alone have to make decisions for the mafia. Who would you have killed? What did Laguna do or say that would make him look dangerous to the mafia? Fuck all. No, if I were making decisions for the mafia, I'd go after the one person who's given any indication, however subtle, that he may be the cop.

No hit was placed on Cid.

So, it is safe to say that Cid is not the cop. What purpose would a townie have in trying to plant a red herring? To get killed in round 1? I think not. However, a Mafioso could easily try to plant the "I'm a cop" notion in the heads of the townies, knowing that he is safe from being taken out by the Mafia.

##Vote: Cid

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Quistis;3165859']Current vote count:
[M] Sazh (5) - Kain, Quistis, Refia, Rydia, SELFVOTE
[M] Quina (4) - Quistis, Refia, Penelo, Serah, Setzer, Leila, SELFVOTE
[M] Galuf (4) - Wakka, Serah, Blank, Lagunasuspect mafia spread out their votes

thus you have 2 or 3 mafia in the list. Of particular note is Galuf because you can narrow it down to 3 with Laguna a proven townie. Serah's vote hopping is bold for a mafia, but the "I will crusade inactives" is a good smokescreen. Blank bandwagoned the fucker. Wakka Wakka.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Gonna have to double-post since editing is bad:

How can the inactive strategy still be even under consideration when it's precisely what cost us a key town role? Remember that the mafia are working together, have more information than us, and can plan an actual strategy. The absolute worst thing you can do in this kind of situation is be predictable. Stop it at once!

[[M] Caprica]

TALLY
Blank (2) - Yuffie, Noctis
Galuf (2) - Self, Kain
Yuffie (1) - Leila
Penelo (1) - Refia
Leila (1) - Blank
Cid (1) - Rydia

I think that's where we're at. Sorry that I'm distrustful of your unvote Leila, but since the rules aren't clear and I've seen arbitrary weird stuff go down before. Well that and it's my life on the line.

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Rydia;3165961']What did Laguna do or say that would make him look dangerous to the mafia? smurf all. No, if I were making decisions for the mafia, I'd go after the one person who's given any indication, however subtle, that he may be the cop.

No hit was placed on Cid.

So, it is safe to say that Cid is not the cop. What purpose would a townie have in trying to plant a red herring? To get killed in round 1? I think not. However, a Mafioso could easily try to plant the "I'm a cop" notion in the heads of the townies, knowing that he is safe from being taken out by the Mafia.

##Vote: CidConversely, consider the scenario that Cid is town. If you picked up on Cid's cop hint, and the mafia did as well, would not the Doctor have done also? Evidently Laguna did not protect himself. So if you were mafia, you would think "Well, this guy is hinting at being the Cop, but then the Doctor must have seen this too and might protect him". So you don't target the cop given the possibility for protection.

Also for the record, I stomp the hell out of anyone who says "let's vote for X for being annoying". Always have, always will. That shit is worse than the inactive fetish.

[[M] Caprica]

Noctis;3165962']
Quistis;3165859']Current vote count:
[M] Sazh (5) - Kain, Quistis, Refia, Rydia, SELFVOTE
[M] Quina (4) - Quistis, Refia, Penelo, Serah, Setzer, Leila, SELFVOTE
[M] Galuf (4) - Wakka, Serah, Blank, Lagunasuspect mafia spread out their votes

thus you have 2 or 3 mafia in the list. Of particular note is Galuf because you can narrow it down to 3 with Laguna a proven townie. Serah's vote hopping is bold for a mafia, but the "I will crusade inactives" is a good smokescreen. Blank bandwagoned the smurfer. Wakka Wakka.I too enjoy that theory of mafia being involved in big votefights of innocents. Going to assume that since no big moves were made to save anyone (Laguna tried that but was town), the possible lynchees are all pretty in the clear.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Yuffie;3165965']I think that's where we're at. Sorry that I'm distrustful of your unvote Leila, but since the rules aren't clear and I've seen arbitrary weird stuff go down before. Well that and it's my life on the line.

I'm a bit unsure of some things. I just found that you didn't hesitate to jump the gun but Noctis's eagerness to protect you makes me want to wait a bit before I settle on a decision. So cute :flirt:

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Since mognet messaging is forbidden, it's still a fool move for the cop to hint at his role--the mafia, who can communicate with each other outside of this thread are more likely to pick up on the hint than the Doctor, who might be inactive the way SD was. In actuality, it's as foolish for any of the key roles to draw attention to themselves as it would be for the mafia, if not moreso.

I'll admit, in round 1 I was betting on Cid being the cop. Now I'm not so sure. I'm still ready and willing to change my vote if better logic is posted. I don't like acting on such incomplete information.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Yuffie;3165968']
Noctis;3165962']
Quistis;3165859']Current vote count:
[M] Sazh (5) - Kain, Quistis, Refia, Rydia, SELFVOTE
[M] Quina (4) - Quistis, Refia, Penelo, Serah, Setzer, Leila, SELFVOTE
[M] Galuf (4) - Wakka, Serah, Blank, Lagunasuspect mafia spread out their votes

thus you have 2 or 3 mafia in the list. Of particular note is Galuf because you can narrow it down to 3 with Laguna a proven townie. Serah's vote hopping is bold for a mafia, but the "I will crusade inactives" is a good smokescreen. Blank bandwagoned the smurfer. Wakka Wakka.I too enjoy that theory of mafia being involved in big votefights of innocents. Going to assume that since no big moves were made to save anyone (Laguna tried that but was town), the possible lynchees are all pretty in the clear.

The mafia would want an innocent to get and maintain a large lead. For this reason I think it's safe to say that Serah is a townie, since she kept changing her vote off of the leading contender. I wish I'd thought of that so I wouldn't have been part of the move that killed our key role.

[[M] Caprica]

Rydia;3165963']Gonna have to double-post since editing is bad:

How can the inactive strategy still be even under consideration when it's precisely what cost us a key town role? Remember that the mafia are working together, have more information than us, and can plan an actual strategy. The absolute worst thing you can do in this kind of situation is be predictable. Stop it at once!A solid firm strategy is actually a GOOD thing. If everyone sticks to a plan things go according to an order and those who step out of line with the plan need examining. Changing strategies every day is beneficial to scum. Granted you can argue almost anything can serve scum especially if we're publicly discussing it, but a good strategy is not to be discarded.

That said, killing inactives is dumb. I absolutely believe that costs us more than it is worth as a security measure. Face it, someone chattering away is scum and the more they talk, the deeper the hole they're in is going to be when we find it.

[[M] Caprica]

Rydia;3165972']The mafia would want an innocent to get and maintain a large lead. For this reason I think it's safe to say that Serah is a townie, since she kept changing her vote off of the leading contender. I wish I'd thought of that so I wouldn't have been part of the move that killed our key role.Not biting.

The only people I would consider less likely to be scum are the ones voted on: Sazh (dead), Quina, Galuf.

[[M] Caprica]

I should also say I have no suggestions as to what would make for a good public strategy other than what we are already doing: talking. :\

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Yuffie;3165973']A solid firm strategy is actually a GOOD thing. If everyone sticks to a plan things go according to an order and those who step out of line with the plan need examining.

Consistent and therefore predictable behaviour works in the favour of the party with the most information, which in this case is the mafia. By failing to adapt, we would be playing right into their hands.

If we just sit around and react to the mafia, we will lose by default. We have to find a way to force them to react to us.

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Rydia;3165970']Since mognet messaging is forbidden, it's still a fool move for the cop to hint at his roleIt's a fool move for anyone not under pressure or without any kind of "result" to hint at a role. Regardless of whether Cid is a cop or mafia I can't see any logical justification for making a sincere cop hint. It gets attention to you, and neither role should want this.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Yuffie;3165975']I should also say I have no suggestions as to what would make for a good public strategy other than what we are already doing: talking. :\

Talking is a very good strategy if you ask me. Talking keeps everyone on their toes. One misspoken word, and you might get caught as scum.

[[M] Caprica]

I'm pretty happy with my vote for Blank. Refia and Noctis jumped on a wagon with me, Blank and Leila came back swinging, and then Blank attacks Leila.

[[M] Harry - Dad's Dad]

Yuffie;3165979']I'm pretty happy with my vote for Blank. Refia and Noctis jumped on a wagon with me, Blank and Leila came back swinging, and then Blank attacks Leila.

REALLY? I missed that >:O What a jerk!!!

##Vote Blank

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Faris;3165978']
Yuffie;3165975']I should also say I have no suggestions as to what would make for a good public strategy other than what we are already doing: talking. :\

Talking is a very good strategy if you ask me. Talking keeps everyone on their toes. One misspoken word, and you might get caught as scum.

As long as we're talking about how to get the Mafia, yes. That's one way to make them react to us. Spamming and roleplaying just wastes time.

[[M] Apollo]

Relm;3165957']
Yuffie;3165953']Why do people post that they just got here and need to read before they can say something? Don't post without your comprehensive insights from being absent Day 1.

i'm going to guess it's got something to do with the raging hard-on most people around here have for inactivity and anyone who is inactive is in some way shape or form scum, in the mafia form and any other use of the word you care to choose from and therefore feel pressured into posting I'M HERE I'M HERE just so that some tit doesn't start going "x is inactive lets blame them for everything that's gone wrong :mad2:"

Pretty much this, and reading up on it, that's exactly what happened Day 1, as it does every time. I loathe the strategy of targeting inactives day 1. Regardless of their allegiance, it would suck balls to be voted out of the entire game for missing the first day, especially if you had planned to be active in the coming days.

If you want to hustle up some activity by putting a vote on an inactive, go for it, but on day one, and to an extent day two, killing someone because of inactivity is stupid and annoying. We learn nothing from their death. The only thing that we have to go on is the interactions that we have with each other. We can't spend our first few days targeting inactives. Put pressure on people who are active and can respond and hopefully slip up.
Later in the game I'm fine with attacking those who are inactive or just popping in to say hello occasionally, yet somehow haven't been replaced for inactivity, as that's a sure sign that something is weird.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Rydia;3165981']
Faris;3165978']
Yuffie;3165975']I should also say I have no suggestions as to what would make for a good public strategy other than what we are already doing: talking. :\

Talking is a very good strategy if you ask me. Talking keeps everyone on their toes. One misspoken word, and you might get caught as scum.

As long as we're talking about how to get the Mafia, yes. That's one way to make them react to us. Spamming and roleplaying just wastes time.

I know what you mean! But, we have to remember that this game can't be fun if we leave spamming and roleplaying out of the equation. That usually is what makes Mafia fun, right?

[[M] Caprica]

Driving yourself crazy is fun.

Waiting on your thoughts on Blank, me, or someone else, Leon.

You should be doing the same, Faris.

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

Well it seems like the early majority have decided to vote for poor old Blank? Look how upset he is. :( Saying that, I don't really mind what you do either way, but I'm more bothered at the moment about Faris. the only problem I'm having is that I can't decide if i'm bothered just because she said something stupid or because there might be something more to her actions. I mean, she came straight in to the thread and said something to the effect of "Ro ho ho, bandwagonning already? Well I guess I'll join in with you, but I despise bandwagon voting!"

If that's the case then...why do it? I mean, what. What's the reasoning? I don't think she's actually voted for blank yet, but still. I don't understand why you would straight up say you hate something, right after saying you were going to do it anyway. Is it a scummy safe play? Like maybe if Blank were to end up getting lynched (keep in mind that this is all hypothetical seeing how early in the day it is and nothing is certain yet) and he flips town, then Faris could just come in all "Well I was just going along with the flow! :shobon:" even if she knew that blank was town because she is scum herself. But again, if that's the case I don't get why you would do that and then say "but i hate doing this anyway." it's confusing, and it's a dumb thing to say, so i can't make my mind up whether or not that's the only reason I'm not happy about her. someone help me :(

[[M] Apollo]

Quistis;3165920']Oh GOD.


Quistis;3165926']xDDDD

OWNED


Quistis;3165933']xD


Quistis;3165952']What is this....? Am I the only one who's sane here?

What's going on today with Quistis?

You she was fairly vocal yesterday, and now she's reduced to small snipits, which seemed out of context to the stuff around it.
Have you noticed something the rest of haven't? - mostly the OH GOD, what was that in reference to? I'm curious.

Aside from that, reading through your adamant attack on inactives yesterday irked me a fair bit. You said yourself:

Quistis;3165387']I'd rather play with people whose actions I can appropriately judge. With all due respect, I have faith in my abilities to call out bulltrout.
Why then judge people who are currently inactive if you can't appropriately do this? Later in the game sure, but right now I'd rather judge someone on what they've said or done.

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

I personally don't see the thing against Cid, but it'll be something to keep an eye out for as the day progresses. I'm also not entirely convinced of Blank's bandwagoning in Day 1, seemed to be regular fare. Again, keeping an eye on things as people start to post more.

I'm also unsure if people are still just throwing votes out there for the lulz - I may just be a stick in the mud here, but now is time for serious talk, not voting for so-n-so because they voted for you. I'm looking at you Blank and Leila! :p This sort of thing doesn't help us determine anything - unless you had some legitimate reasoning behind your voting. If that is the case, I'd like to hear it, as I'm sure everyone else would too.

(Also it is bed time, I hope you all don't get too lynch crazy! :p)

[[M] Caprica]

What are you holding your votes for, people? They'll burn holes in your pockets.

I distrust people who DON'T VOTE. If you're here and not voting, what's the plan? Only planting when you're in a position to change life or death? I know, people say don't be too hasty, but Day 2 is like Day 1 (unless you want to assert and prove otherwise) and so there shouldn't be too much angst over not knowing too much.

There's just a lot we don't know. That's a given. And we know a few things. Unless you've got a repository of excess information somewhere, the few bits of information is what you gotta work (and vote) with.

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

Dude the day has been open for like two hours. xD what's the absolute necessity in us voting now? not even half of the people left in the game have shown up yet. I'm starting to think that Noctis joke post about you getting some kind of benefit for forcing people to vote might have more to it than he thought. :p

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Relm;3165988']Well it seems like the early majority have decided to vote for poor old Blank? Look how upset he is. :( Saying that, I don't really mind what you do either way, but I'm more bothered at the moment about Faris. the only problem I'm having is that I can't decide if i'm bothered just because she said something stupid or because there might be something more to her actions. I mean, she came straight in to the thread and said something to the effect of "Ro ho ho, bandwagonning already? Well I guess I'll join in with you, but I despise bandwagon voting!"

If that's the case then...why do it? I mean, what. What's the reasoning? I don't think she's actually voted for blank yet, but still. I don't understand why you would straight up say you hate something, right after saying you were going to do it anyway. Is it a scummy safe play? Like maybe if Blank were to end up getting lynched (keep in mind that this is all hypothetical seeing how early in the day it is and nothing is certain yet) and he flips town, then Faris could just come in all "Well I was just going along with the flow! :shobon:" even if she knew that blank was town because she is scum herself. But again, if that's the case I don't get why you would do that and then say "but i hate doing this anyway." it's confusing, and it's a dumb thing to say, so i can't make my mind up whether or not that's the only reason I'm not happy about her. someone help me :(

Oh, you got me! It seems I was going to vote for Blank, but I guess I must have forgotten to vote! Actually, I had no intentions to vote for him, and if I did intended to vote for him, I would have just done so right in the same post! I meant to say I would rather than I will. Slip of tongue, really.

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Faris;3165996']Oh, you got me! It seems I was going to vote for Blank, but I guess I must have forgotten to vote! Actually, I had no intentions to vote for him, and if I did intended to vote for him, I would have just done so right in the same post! I meant to say I would rather than I will. Slip of tongue, really.what do these words even mean :confused:

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Yuffie;3165992']What are you holding your votes for, people? They'll burn holes in your pockets.

I distrust people who DON'T VOTE. If you're here and not voting, what's the plan? Only planting when you're in a position to change life or death? I know, people say don't be too hasty, but Day 2 is like Day 1 (unless you want to assert and prove otherwise) and so there shouldn't be too much angst over not knowing too much.

There's just a lot we don't know. That's a given. And we know a few things. Unless you've got a repository of excess information somewhere, the few bits of information is what you gotta work (and vote) with.

What's the rush, Yuffie? We have an entire day to waste and voting right away can lead to speed voting. And speed voting often leads to voting an innocent without any consideration. What, do you want us to vote for you to get this day over with? Sure, I can do that if you want!

##Vote: Yuffie

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

I thought you despised bandwagons, Faris!

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Noctis;3166001']I thought you despised bandwagons, Faris!

I'm pretty sure I don't see a bandwagon on Yuffie at the moment.

[[M] Caprica]

Relm;3165994']Dude the day has been open for like two hours. xD what's the absolute necessity in us voting now? not even half of the people left in the game have shown up yet. I'm starting to think that Noctis joke post about you getting some kind of benefit for forcing people to vote might have more to it than he thought. :pI'm not here all day so I'd like to exert pressure while I can. The other half our people can have a lot more to work/deal with if we actually do stuff instead of post a whole lotta fluff. The more stuff set in stone now the harder it is for scum to change things to work for them. If you commit now, you're showing you're not plotting with mafia.

[[M] Apollo]

Rydia;3165961']
Cid;3164937']I don't want to start a Day 1 attempt at scumhunting until the majority of participants have posted. Day 1 is always a troutshow of jokeposting anyway. But I'll be back later to see if I can pick up on anything.

Here we are on Day 2 with nothing but circumstantial evidence. Well, here's some more: Who could be confident of having something to go on at the start of Day 2? Only the cop. Even with a failed investigation, the cop would know there was someone trustworthy.

Now, put yourself in the position of the mafia. Imagine that you and you alone have to make decisions for the mafia. Who would you have killed? What did Laguna do or say that would make him look dangerous to the mafia? smurf all. No, if I were making decisions for the mafia, I'd go after the one person who's given any indication, however subtle, that he may be the cop.

No hit was placed on Cid.

So, it is safe to say that Cid is not the cop. What purpose would a townie have in trying to plant a red herring? To get killed in round 1? I think not. However, a Mafioso could easily try to plant the "I'm a cop" notion in the heads of the townies, knowing that he is safe from being taken out by the Mafia.

##Vote: Cid

I'm not very comfortable with this line of reasoning. Are you saying that Cid claimed cop by saying "I'll be back later to see if I can pick up on anything."? Then him not dying last night makes him scum because the Mafia would have picked up on this small hint and shot him for it?
I don't buy it.

When reading through it all, I thought that the mafia would have shot Laguna for being a vocal, reasonable townie. IMO killing a good player like Del (who knows, maybe they guessed it was him, some people are good at that), would be more beneficial to the mafia than a weak hint of being a cop.

I don't find this evidence to be very substantial at all, both your call that this was a role claim, and that it certainly makes him not a cop, and therefore scummy.

It all makes me uncomfortable. Care to elaborate?

##Vote: Lydia

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Faris;3166002']
Noctis;3166001']I thought you despised bandwagons, Faris!

I'm pretty sure I don't see a bandwagon on Yuffie at the moment.You'll note that both I and Relm found Yuffie's vote-campaigning to be curious prior to your own move against her. 'tis a more subtle bandwagon than had we both voted for her, granted, but then this is a game of subtle acts.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

The choice to vote or not vote early on is moot. We can change our votes, only what happens at the end counts.

[[M] Caprica]

Faris;3165999']What's the rush, Yuffie? We have an entire day to waste and voting right away can lead to speed voting. And speed voting often leads to voting an innocent without any consideration. What, do you want us to vote for you to get this day over with? Sure, I can do that if you want!

##Vote: YuffieThat would be a good indicator of who to lynch next, right?

Doubtful we'll reach the...12? majority we need to speed lynch anyone anyway and it'd be suspicious if anyone tried to make it so.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

It's time for an updated tally boys and girls. :flirt:

TALLY
Blank (3) - Yuffie, Noctis, Leila
Galuf (2) - Self, Kain
Yuffie (1) - <s>Leila</s>, Faris
Penelo (1) - Refia
Leila (1) - Blank
Cid (1) - Rydia

I think I got them all. Seems Blankykins is a popular boy this day. :flirt:

[[M] Caprica]

Leon;3166004']##Vote: LydiaIs this valid? I don't even

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Leon;3166004'] IMO killing a good player like Del (who knows, maybe they guessed it was him, some people are good at that), would be more beneficial to the mafia than a weak hint of being a cop.While this is very true, certain players can be more effective than a cop. For example, Psychotic, a man many would consider to be EoFF's best ever mafia player. He actually has a better track record at finding scum in mafia games than cops do, and you can look up that curious statistic if you do not believe me! So why kill Del instead of Psychotic, a man who is surely worth a hundred Del Murders? A thousand, even! :monocle:

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

TEN THOUSAND DEL MURDERS

[[M] Caprica]

You can't be looking at the meta or even basing judgments on it unless you're scum.

[[M] Apollo]

Ehhh Skyrim on the brain.
##Unvote: Lydia
##Vote: Rydia

[[M] Felix]

Wow, a lot of pages already, gotta read all this and eat dinner which means I'll have to read more when I'm done with dinner! :lol:

Will try to catch up be right back.

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Yuffie;3166014']You can't be looking at the meta or even basing judgments on it unless you're scum.A MILLION DEL MURDERS!

[[M] Caprica]

Because what can be clearly read is LYNCH PSYCHOTIC because he would be a mafia target if he wasn't mafia.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

Leon;3166015']Ehhh Skyrim on the brain.
##Unvote: Lydia
##Vote: Rydia

Lcuky for you I'm not the mod. I wouldn't take it lightly you tarnishing my sweet Rydia's beautiful name. :mad2:

TALLY
Blank (3) - Yuffie, Noctis, Leila
Galuf (2) - Self, Kain
Yuffie (1) - Leila, Faris
Penelo (1) - Refia
Leila (1) - Blank
Cid (1) - Rydia
Rydia (1) - Leon

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

Yuffie;3166003']
Relm;3165994']Dude the day has been open for like two hours. xD what's the absolute necessity in us voting now? not even half of the people left in the game have shown up yet. I'm starting to think that Noctis joke post about you getting some kind of benefit for forcing people to vote might have more to it than he thought. :pI'm not here all day so I'd like to exert pressure while I can. The other half our people can have a lot more to work/deal with if we actually do stuff instead of post a whole lotta fluff. The more stuff set in stone now the harder it is for scum to change things to work for them. If you commit now, you're showing you're not plotting with mafia.

So that's your game, eh Yuffie? To trick the town into thinking you're not plotting with the mafia by committing now, when actually you're a scum who is setting up a nice barrier for herslef! I'm on to you, ha, ha!

Seriously though, no, not really. Fair enough if you're going to have to leave soon, but even still, commiting now shows bollock all of the sort. It just means that you're slamming a vote down without any real information or anything to go off under the pretense of FORCING ACTION. What good is it to set anything in stone if you're setting a townie up for a lynch? Keep in mind that I don't actually have any problem with your vote for Blank as I said before, I just don't agree at all that people should be voting 2 hours into a day. Although that also might have something to do with me personally not being a fan of vote hopping. Whatever.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

Serah;3166016']Wow, a lot of pages already, gotta read all this and eat dinner which means I'll have to read more when I'm done with dinner! :lol:

Will try to catch up be right back.

Where's Relm and Kain when we need them? Paint us a slide show as narrated by Kain's sexy voice depicting the days events to catch us all up.

[[M] Apollo]

For most of us, usually voting is our only power (obvious this game is different), but that doesn't make it any less useful. A great way to get someone's attention, or to get discussion going is to add a little pressure with a vote.
Spread your votes around, get a little variety going, get everyone defending themselves, others and their words. If we all vote more (with justification) we can build a better understanding of what others think, and their possible intentions, and look for patterns of voting.

Of course we don't have a lot of real information now, but now is the time to build that information by voting.
And intelligent discussion of course, that's important too.

[[M] Apollo]

Noctis;3166012']
Leon;3166004'] IMO killing a good player like Del (who knows, maybe they guessed it was him, some people are good at that), would be more beneficial to the mafia than a weak hint of being a cop.While this is very true, certain players can be more effective than a cop. For example, Psychotic, a man many would consider to be EoFF's best ever mafia player. He actually has a better track record at finding scum in mafia games than cops do, and you can look up that curious statistic if you do not believe me! So why kill Del instead of Psychotic, a man who is surely worth a hundred Del Murders? A thousand, even! :monocle:

If they didn't pick Psy, are you saying, Psy is... is...

WE'RE ALL DOOMED!

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Leon;3166025']
Noctis;3166012']
Leon;3166004'] IMO killing a good player like Del (who knows, maybe they guessed it was him, some people are good at that), would be more beneficial to the mafia than a weak hint of being a cop.While this is very true, certain players can be more effective than a cop. For example, Psychotic, a man many would consider to be EoFF's best ever mafia player. He actually has a better track record at finding scum in mafia games than cops do, and you can look up that curious statistic if you do not believe me! So why kill Del instead of Psychotic, a man who is surely worth a hundred Del Murders? A thousand, even! :monocle:

If they didn't pick Psy, are you saying, Psy is... is...

WE'RE ALL DOOMED!Quick let's lynch him!

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

Refia;3166021']
Serah;3166016']Wow, a lot of pages already, gotta read all this and eat dinner which means I'll have to read more when I'm done with dinner! :lol:

Will try to catch up be right back.

Where's Relm and Kain when we need them? Paint us a slide show as narrated by Kain's sexy voice depicting the days events to catch us all up.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5073/yuffiej.jpg

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Leon;3166023']A great way to get someone's attention, or to get discussion going is to add a little pressure with a vote.

One vote doesn't get my attention; I don't fear the town as much as I do the mafia. Mafia have a guaranteed townie hit every day now that the Doctor is gone, but we're wishy-washy and ineffectual so far.

Of course, the same would not be true of a mafia, only the town are a threat to them.

[[M] Apollo]

Only he would have such an incredible plan.
CHECKMATE! >:{D

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Another masterpiece by Relm! It correctly depicts how I view Yuffie today.

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Noctis;3166006']
Faris;3166002']
Noctis;3166001']I thought you despised bandwagons, Faris!

I'm pretty sure I don't see a bandwagon on Yuffie at the moment.You'll note that both I and Relm found Yuffie's vote-campaigning to be curious prior to your own move against her. 'tis a more subtle bandwagon than had we both voted for her, granted, but then this is a game of subtle acts.##unvote: Blank ##vote: Faris

btw. :greenie:

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Rydia;3166031']Of course, the same would not be true of a mafia, only the town are a threat to them.Oh now we all know that's not true. So why would you want us to think that? :tongue:

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Oh, I was only voting for her because she kept insisting we have to vote. It's simply my way to protest her way of thinking.

[[M] Apollo]

Rydia;3166031']
Leon;3166023']A great way to get someone's attention, or to get discussion going is to add a little pressure with a vote.

One vote doesn't get my attention; I don't fear the town as much as I do the mafia. Mafia have a guaranteed townie hit every day now that the Doctor is gone, but we're wishy-washy and ineffectual so far.

Of course, the same would not be true of a mafia, only the town are a threat to them.

Now that I have your attention Rydia :p
Do you really think what Cid said was a roleclaim? It just seems way too subtle a call to then make such drawn out conclusions from.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

TALLY
Blank (2) - Yuffie, <s>Noctis</s>, Leila
Galuf (2) - Self, Kain
Yuffie (1) - <s>Leila</s>, Faris
Penelo (1) - Refia
Leila (1) - Blank
Cid (1) - Rydia
Rydia (1) - Leon

I think I got it all current now. :jess:

Relm's masterpieces still fill a void of despair inside me. :(

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Looks like your missing the vote on me from Noctis, Refia.

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

You missed Noctis vote for Faris. And my masterpieces outshine the likes of van gogh, monet and dali and deep down you know it. :colbert:

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

Faris;3166042']Looks like your missing the vote on me from Noctis, Refia.

TALLY
Blank (2) - Yuffie, <s>Noctis</s>, Leila
Galuf (2) - Self, Kain
Yuffie (1) - <s>Leila</s>, Faris
Penelo (1) - Refia
Leila (1) - Blank
Cid (1) - Rydia
Rydia (1) - Leon
Faris (1) - Noctis


Sorry I'm terrible at this. :(

Your an honest lass though aren't you? ;)

[[M] Anise]

I'm home (finally) Let's see. Yuffie hold your horses, people aren't throwing in their votes because it's a pain in the butt to unvote. Also, need reasons and stuff. Then again, if no one votes, no one will talk about anything, and with this being only day two... well, we don't exactly have much to go on do we.

That said
##VOTE: Yuffie

I did as you requested.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

I still don't know who to go after, so I'll keep my vote on Penelo. It seems as good a vote as any outside the people who popped in once or twice then vanished.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Noctis;3166036']
Rydia;3166031']Of course, the same would not be true of a mafia, only the town are a threat to them.Oh now we all know that's not true. So why would you want us to think that? :tongue:

Do we? Explain what besides a town vote can threaten the mafia.

That's not snark, I seriously do not know.


Leon;3166039']Do you really think what Cid said was a roleclaim?

Not necessarily, but it's all I have to go on at the moment. As I said, I'm ready and willing to change my vote given anything more substantial.

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

pretty sure he's referring to a Cult, Rydia. which, given the size of the game and the mindsmurf nature of it, is a geniune possibilty.

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

Geez, slow down xD

Relm love your picture. xD And Yuffie, committing now shows you're not plotting with mafia? How the heck does that work?? At this point in the day no one is committing except maybe you. =P (meanyshorts)

Refia aww you think I'm funny :love: You are around all the time and posting a lot of tallies though, what about thoughts on any of the accusations?

Rydia, if Cid's post was a subtle roleclaim and there's a chance he's a cop, why draw attention to it with the doctor dead? You said there's not much to go on. If you're not sure, shouldn't you have waited to see what Cid said today?

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Blank;3166052']Rydia, if Cid's post was a subtle roleclaim and there's a chance he's a cop, why draw attention to it with the doctor dead? You said there's not much to go on. If you're not sure, shouldn't you have waited to see what Cid said today?

Because I do not at this juncture believe him to be the cop, but it points to the possibility of his being mafia--if indeed it was a roleclaim.

Now: I've re-read Day 1 again in the "what would I do if I were mafia" mindset looking for reasons why they would go after Laguna. I've found remarkably little, except this:


Laguna;3165393']
Quistis;3165387']As is every vote.
Not really. Sure you never know what the person is until the flip, but at least by voting for people with posts you can make an educated guess. Voting for someone who has presented no evidence is by definition an uneducated guess.


So long shot theory: The mafia gunned him down because they don't want him to convince us not to vote for inactives?

Pretty much everything Laguna said on day one besides this was fairly frivolous and in no way a threat to the mafia.

Alternate theory: We know that the mafia are aware of each other, and therefore the townies. What other information might they be privy to?

1) They could know who is playing each role -- this would be a reason to put a hit on Laguna, because they knew he was Del Murder and therefore an experienced player. The mafiosos, therefore, would have advance knowledge on Day 1 that Laguna was a deader.

2) They know who has key roles, and went after the Doctor to prevent him from messing with their hits.

If supposition 2) is true, we're well and truly fucked, so let us apply the Fistoulari principle: If you need something to be true, assume it is. We must assume that they do not know who the townie key roles are and that leaves supposition 1) as the only logical explanation.

To most of us, this is more or less essentially useless information, but there may be a second Doctor or previously unseen key roles amongst the townies. With that in mind, I address the following statement to the holders of said key roles: Try to figure out who is played by whom as quickly as possible, and use whatever capabilities you have to block the mafia from knocking out experienced players.

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

What?!?! Laguna is dead?!?! You have some explaining to do now, don't you, Serah! You think I'm going to sit idly by when the doctor comes up dead after you received a special investigative report!?!?! I was willing to blow myself up to protect the world from Shinra, and I'm willing to risk my life on the line to expose you! What have you to say for yourself, Mafia scum!!!

##Vote: Serah

[[M] Felix]

What I've noticed:

Rydia's claims: Pretty much grasping for straws. Some random Cop call that doesn't make sense, then doing the "BUT THAT'S WHAT MAFIA WOULD WANT US TO THINK" which just never makes any sense.

Yesterdays voting from my perspective:
[M] Sazh (5) - Kain, Quistis, Refia, Rydia
[M] Quina (4) - Quistis, Penelo, Setzer, Leila
[M] Galuf (4) - Wakka, Serah, Blank, Laguna

So I'd suspect either Blank or Wakka is mafia if Galuf is innocent or if Galuf is mafia I'd expect them both to be town. From Sazh's death, I draw very little. It's possible they piled on to make a death occur, it's possible they didn't. Without knowing more about Quina or Galuf it's tough to tell.

Something about the Laguna kill sits oddly with me In such a large game I would've expected 2 things. More than one killing role and for the doctor to protect himself early on. Honestly I don't know what conclusions to draw for last night's turn of events. I'd love to hear what Noctis thinks about it. Callin' you out dawg :cool: Why? You've said a lot. Especially this...


Noctis;3165858']Don't you dare say a bad word about Kain, Quistis. I've got Kain's back. Kain is a true loyal townie. You be extra nice to him.

Or else.​


Why so buddy with Kain? Fill me in what you know.


Yuffie;3165974']
Rydia;3165972']The mafia would want an innocent to get and maintain a large lead. For this reason I think it's safe to say that Serah is a townie, since she kept changing her vote off of the leading contender. I wish I'd thought of that so I wouldn't have been part of the move that killed our key role.Not biting.

The only people I would consider less likely to be scum are the ones voted on: Sazh (dead), Quina, Galuf.

Explain. Why would you think voting in the large piles can't be scum?

For now.
##vote: Rydia

[[M] Felix]

Rydia;3166057']
Blank;3166052']Rydia, if Cid's post was a subtle roleclaim and there's a chance he's a cop, why draw attention to it with the doctor dead? You said there's not much to go on. If you're not sure, shouldn't you have waited to see what Cid said today?

Because I do not at this juncture believe him to be the cop, but it points to the possibility of his being mafia--if indeed it was a roleclaim.

Now: I've re-read Day 1 again in the "what would I do if I were mafia" mindset looking for reasons why they would go after Laguna. I've found remarkably little, except this:


Laguna;3165393']
Quistis;3165387']As is every vote.
Not really. Sure you never know what the person is until the flip, but at least by voting for people with posts you can make an educated guess. Voting for someone who has presented no evidence is by definition an uneducated guess.


So long shot theory: The mafia gunned him down because they don't want him to convince us not to vote for inactives?

Pretty much everything Laguna said on day one besides this was fairly frivolous and in no way a threat to the mafia.

Alternate theory: We know that the mafia are aware of each other, and therefore the townies. What other information might they be privy to?

1) They could know who is playing each role -- this would be a reason to put a hit on Laguna, because they knew he was Del Murder and therefore an experienced player. The mafiosos, therefore, would have advance knowledge on Day 1 that Laguna was a deader.

2) They know who has key roles, and went after the Doctor to prevent him from messing with their hits.

If supposition 2) is true, we're well and truly smurfed, so let us apply the Fistoulari principle: If you need something to be true, assume it is. We must assume that they do not know who the townie key roles are and that leaves supposition 1) as the only logical explanation.

To most of us, this is more or less essentially useless information, but there may be a second Doctor or previously unseen key roles amongst the townies. With that in mind, I address the following statement to the holders of said key roles: Try to figure out who is played by whom as quickly as possible, and use whatever capabilities you have to block the mafia from knocking out experienced players.

Your assertions make no sense. Mafia is not imparted with either of these.


Wedge;3166058']What?!?! Laguna is dead?!?! You have some explaining to do now, don't you, Serah! You think I'm going to sit idly by when the doctor comes up dead after you received a special investigative report!?!?! I was willing to blow myself up to protect the world from Shinra, and I'm willing to risk my life on the line to expose you! What have you to say for yourself, Mafia scum!!!

##Vote: Serah

Hi. I'm Serah. Nice to meet you. Now what the fuck are you talking about? :shobon:

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Wedge;3166058']What?!?! Laguna is dead?!?! You have some explaining to do now, don't you, Serah! You think I'm going to sit idly by when the doctor comes up dead after you received a special investigative report!?!?! I was willing to blow myself up to protect the world from Shinra, and I'm willing to risk my life on the line to expose you! What have you to say for yourself, Mafia scum!!!

##Vote: Serah

In what way is Serah responsible for Laguna's death? She voted for Galuf, and vote-hopped to avoid being in on the killing vote. That's a townie strategy.


Serah;3166060']What I've noticed:

Rydia's claims: Pretty much grasping for straws. Some random Cop call that doesn't make sense, then doing the "BUT THAT'S WHAT MAFIA WOULD WANT US TO THINK" which just never makes any sense.

As I've said, no, it's not much to go on, but it's all I've got at the moment.


Serah;3166060']
Something about the Laguna kill sits oddly with me In such a large game I would've expected 2 things. More than one killing role and for the doctor to protect himself early on.

Point: Why didn't Laguna protect himself? What did he know that we don't?

At this point, I think Wedge's attempt to throw suspicion on Serah is more suspicious than Cid's maybe-roleclaim.

##Unvote: Cid
##Vote: Wedge

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

Don't play innocent with me, you better come with a better excuse than "I don't know what you're talking about." I sent you a report and now the subject of that report is dead.

[[M] Felix]

Wedge;3166065']Don't play innocent with me, you better come with a better excuse than "I don't know what you're talking about." I sent you a report and now the subject of that report is dead.

Speak english please? :shobon:

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

Rydia;3166064']
##Unvote: Cid
##Vote: Wedge

I'm OK with this, you want to lynch me, that's fine, but the moment I flip everyone will know I'm right and when they do they will go after those who voted against me.

[[M] Anise]

Rydia, no offense, but the idea that the mafia knows who we are is stupid, and the idea that they know who has the good roles is beyond stupid. Either one of those would make the game so broke it wouldn't even be fun.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Serah;3166062']Your assertions make no sense. Mafia is not imparted with either of these.


Nor were they intended to identify a specific Mafioso. At what point did I point a finger in that post? It was a brainstorming post, no more, no less. It was intended to be useful to those with key roles who are uncertain of how to use them, not to influence a vote.

Voting is not our only weapon. Logic is powerful in its own right. Anything to make people think outside the box.

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

Serah;3166069']
Wedge;3166065']Don't play innocent with me, you better come with a better excuse than "I don't know what you're talking about." I sent you a report and now the subject of that report is dead.

Speak english please? :shobon:

Fine, you want me to spell it out for you, I can do that. I have the ability to investigate one person each night but I can't receive the report directly I have to choose someone else to receive that report. I investigated Laguna and chose you to receive it, and now he's dead.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Wedge;3166065']Don't play innocent with me, you better come with a better excuse than "I don't know what you're talking about." I sent you a report and now the subject of that report is dead.

We're not allowed to use mognet messaging or any method of communicating with each other outside this thread.

The Mafia, however, are allowed and required to communicate outside of this thread. If you "sent someone a report" that we didn't all see, you must therefore be mafia.

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

I didn't sent the message, I did an investigation and chose Serah to receive the investigation.

[[M] Anise]

Wedge;3166077']I didn't sent the message, I did an investigation and chose Serah to receive the investigation.

Sounds like we have someone who can switch actions.
A bus driver or something.

[[M] Felix]

I don't know what Wedge's game is - I didn't receive a report, so he is lying, but it would make no sense for mafia to make a fake claim like that.

[[M] Anise]

That still mean somebody got the report though. Either that or you are BIG PHAT PHONY.

wait... wedge. I meant a big FAT phony, sorry.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Wedge;3166075']
Fine, you want me to spell it out for you, I can do that. I have the ability to investigate one person each night but I can't receive the report directly I have to choose someone else to receive that report. I investigated Laguna and chose you to receive it, and now he's dead.

If this is true, you've just ensured that the Mafia will come after you tonight as a known townie key role. If you're not mafia, you're banking on a second Doctor, who may not exist. That's a fool's gambit, since you'd be the prime suspect for Townies on Day 3.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Well things have certainly esculated at this point, wouldn't you think?

Rydia, I think he meant to say that he's requested Stiltzy to send a memo for you as that report of his investigation on our dead Doctor. If he's telling the truth, you should have this "report" that he speaks of.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

...oh, it was Serah that received that report? My bad! Sorry Rydia!

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

Wakka;3166078']
Wedge;3166077']I didn't sent the message, I did an investigation and chose Serah to receive the investigation.

Sounds like we have someone who can switch actions.
A bus driver or something.

Maybe it was a bus driver changing things up, or maybe Serah received an investigation that told her that Laguna was the Doctor and she had him killed. I don't know anything about a bus driver, but I do know about my own role and about who I chose to investigate and who I chose to receive the results of that investigation.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

So here's something I thought of. Shouldn't the doctor protect themselves night 1? So does that mean the mafia have someone who can ignore protection? if so I'm scared at that thought, someone hold me. :(

[[M] Felix]

Theoretically I would not have received the report til morning correct?

[[M] Anise]

Then there are three options available.
1. You and Serah are telling the truth. This means we have a bus driver or our mod smurfed up.
2. Serah is lying. This means she is mafia and something else that just slipped my mind, I'll post it when I remember what it was.
3. You are a big fat phony, and as there is no jester, are trying to get rid of Serah for some reason. Most likely mafia.

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

Oh my god. xD this is brilliant.Even if we assume that Wedge is telling the truth, as far as I know whoever got the report wouldn't have gotten it until day 2 started anyway so how could they be implicated in the murder of Murder? (ha, ha, ha!) So despite knowing that why were you so adamant about steaming in and implicating Serah for the death of Laguna? I wonder why someone could be so desperate to pin the death of a townie on someone. :holmes:

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Only a nincampoop like Wedge could so much be revealed within minutes! Thank you so much for enlightening us! We really do appreciate that your actions have told us so much more than hours of getting people to vote!

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

I don't consider my role key, the only thing it did was expose the Doctor. I am more than happy to play the fool if it brings down the Mafia.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

We got things to work with. Yay!

Well just some initial thoughts, Serah strikes me as not scummy. I'm not quite sure why, but I'm not getting any bad vibes off her.

I'm not quite sure what to think of Wedge, but I'm thinking he's not scum either, it just seems strange such a jolly fellow would be scum, not to mention he role dropped pretty fast, which seems to be a sure fire to get the rope around these parts.

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

Whaaaaattttttt.:kakapo:

I'm not getting a lying vibe from Wedge. It's all just too crazy. If he just wanted to kamikaze to get Serah then he would have picked a better roleclaim. We really know nothing new except Wedge's roleclaim.

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

What IS that smiley...

[[M] Felix]

Me and Wedge must be innocent. I know that I am innocent and it makes no sense for him to make that claim if he was mafia *nod*

[[M] Caprica]

Good gods.

Rydia, you almost all of your ideas are nonsense.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Does anybody understand the idea behind brainstorming? At all?

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

Of everyone so far, you seem the scummiest Rydia. But my reasoning is weak, it's only because of that weak cop role dropping idea. I really can't use that to justify a vote on the second sexiest girl around here.

[[M] Anise]

Refia;3166104']Of everyone so far, you seem the scummiest Rydia. But my reasoning is weak, it's only because of that weak cop role dropping idea. I really can't use that to justify a vote on the second sexiest girl around here.

Wait, is Tifa Playing?

[[M] Dee]

Boy, that escalated quickly.

Let me check the game thread, I'll be back in a few with some input.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

Wakka;3166106']
Refia;3166104']Of everyone so far, you seem the scummiest Rydia. But my reasoning is weak, it's only because of that weak cop role dropping idea. I really can't use that to justify a vote on the second sexiest girl around here.

Wait, is Tifa Playing?

Tifa is hot, not sexy. :mad2:

[[M] Anise]

Refia;3166109']
Wakka;3166106']
Refia;3166104']Of everyone so far, you seem the scummiest Rydia. But my reasoning is weak, it's only because of that weak cop role dropping idea. I really can't use that to justify a vote on the second sexiest girl around here.

Wait, is Tifa Playing?

Tifa is hot, not sexy. :mad2:

Well I know Fran isn't playing.
Why would you want to vote for Rikku?

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Rydia;3166103']Does anybody understand the idea behind brainstorming? At all?


Refia;3166104']it's only because of that weak cop role dropping idea.

Well, that answers that question.

[[M] Anise]

Well this is going nowhere fast. Gonna go play some vidya, bbs.

[[M] Dee]

I...I'm lost, here.

[[M] Felix]

Wakka;3166112']Well this is going nowhere fast. Gonna go play some vidya, bbs.

That's helpful.


Rydia;3166111']
Rydia;3166103']Does anybody understand the idea behind brainstorming? At all?


Refia;3166104']it's only because of that weak cop role dropping idea.

Well, that answers that question.

Brainstorming is generation of ideas. Yes you're making ideas, but ones that don't make sense and aren't helpful. Everyone agrees that there is little to go on Day 1. Saying that doesn't make you a cop or mafia for that matter. Look at the important things, votes, and things we've learned from deaths. Well and now our singular roleclaim.

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

Well I'm going to go to sleep, so I'll switch my vote.

##Unvote: Panelo
##Vote: Wakka

Only because he doesn't understand the beauty of my Rydia. :love:

[[M] Anise]

Wut. If Rydia is number 2, then who is number 1?

[[M] Anise]

PS, got bored, came back.

[[M] Felix]

Wakka if you are truly bored, why don't you read through and give thoughts about everything said so far! There's been a lot of it, from roleclaims, to Cop accusations, to buddy-buddys.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

[QUOTE='[M] Serah;3166122']Brainstorming is generation of ideas.[QUOTE]

Brainstorming is throwing out ideas whether or not they're fully developed or whether there's enough information to satisfy the Nobel Committee or not and hopefully sparking new ideas in others. What is happening here is I'm throwing out partially developed ideas and people are just saying "That's idiotic and you're an idiot for saying it. By the way, I have nothing productive to add."

The latter strategy works to the mafia's advantage.

I haven't seen anybody else suggest anything unique or outside the box--nor are they likely to at this point, given the reception my attempt has raised.

Re-playing previous mafia games with the same tactics begets predictability, and that works out to the advantage of the party with the greater store of information: the mafia. We'll never make them react to us instead of having us react to them if everyone just does what they did in previous mafia games.

On that point, Wedge is the only one who's actually tried anything new; thus, I've reconsidered my vote for him -- if he is mafia, it's reaction and not action.

##Unvote: Wedge
##Vote: Galuf (If only to prompt a reaction)

[[M] Anise]

k.

I don't get the impression that Wedge is lying. But, if he isn't that means either YOU are, or we have a bus driver (stay quiet bro)

The thing is, if we have a bus driver, then surely someone could come forward and reveal that they recieved the info from wedge, they wouldn't have to reveal their role at all, and it wouldn't cause any danger to them, because it already happened in the past. Either way, I figure wedge is gonna bite it tonight.

What do you guys think, should we make a shoutout to whoever got the info to come forward to confirm wedge and make serah not look like a liar?

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

I knew when I said something I was opening myself up to be either night killed or lynched, therefore do not blow me off as a lunatic. The bus driver thing is a possibility but highly consequential and I don't want to believe that in a game with 25 players I just happened to choose to send an investigation report to someone who happened to be switched with another player who happened to be mafia that ended with the doctor being dead. If that is true, then I have the worst luck ever and it would make every mean nothing.

[[M] Felix]

Some logic:

There are 4 possible scenarios to Wedge and me, one is mafia (2 scenarios total), both are town, both are mafia.

If I was mafia and Wedge claimed I was given a report, denying it would mean I'd label him a lair, which would mean swaying the town to kill him. Killing him would reveal he was truthful, damning myself. If I was mafia, I would have no reason to say I did not receive a report.
If Wedge was mafia, he'd have no reason to make up this charade. Me denying an action and getting labeled as a liar by him, getting me lynched, would have me flip town. This would make him be damned the next day.
If we were both mafia, would be drawing a huge amount of attention to ourselves.
Most likely, we are both town. A bus driver is NOT the only option on why I didn't receive info. A roleblocking role could be in play.

[[M] Felix]

Is that all you have to say Wakka? You have nothing to say about Rydia? Kain? Noctis? or any of the other posters here?

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Wedge;3166133']I knew when I said something I was opening myself up to be either night killed or lynched

Upon further thought, perhaps not. If you are a townie and nightkilled, we not only find that out, but learn your role; that ends your usefulness to the mafia as a red herring. If they don't nightkill you, we will continue to be suspicious.

By nightkilling you, if you are a townie, the mafia ensures that we lynch Serah next. Not a course of action the mafia would be eager to encourage if she is indeed mafia.

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

Sheeesh! Spell check sucks! I meant coincidental not consequential, also if everything means nothing I will be haunting me a moogle when I'm gone! :(

[[M] Felix]

Rydia again you are ignoring option 4 where we are both town and Wedge was roleblocked, switched, or something else specific to his role made the investigation fail.

Collecting votecount brb.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Serah;3166134']A roleblocking role could be in play.

...why didn't I think of that?

Which means this whole shitstorm has been town reacting to mafia.

This game makes me paranoid.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Serah;3166140']Rydia again you are ignoring option 4 where we are both town and Wedge was roleblocked.

I ignored nothing; you posted that while I was typing and it had not occurred to me.

[[M] Anise]

I completely forgot about roleblockers. *redface*

There's also the possibility you are both mafia, are doing this to attract attention because everyone would assume no one who is mafia could possibly be this stupid.

but the odds of that are waaaay out there.
Like my ding dong.

lol, couldn't help it.


Anyways, good post, you've just about convinced me.

[[M] Anise]

Woah, got some milk, made a post and look at all the activity.

Not really anything that jumps out at me except that Noctis is being douchey, almost as if he wants to be lynched, but there is no jester, so I have no idea what that means at all.

About Rydia, no, she seems to be eager to play, not scummy.

Has Kain even posted in a while?





PS, where the smurf is Quina?

[[M] Felix]

##unvote:

Votecount
Yuffie (3) - Blank, Leila, Faris, Wakka
Blank (2) - Yuffie, Refia, Noctis, Leila
Kain (1) - Galuf
Rydia (2) - Kain, Serah
Serah (1) - Wedge
Galuf (1) - Rydia
Leila (1) - Blank
Faris (1) - Noctis
Wakka (1) - Refia
Cid (0) - Rydia
Wedge (0) - Rydia

I have some thinking to do.

[[M] Felix]

Hope that count is accurate :monster:

[[M] Anise]

For some reason I thought there was 2 votes on Galuf.
Speaking of whom, where is he?

[[M] Felix]

Accounts in Play
[M] Noctis
[M] Wedge - I believe his roleclaim for now
[M] Biggs
[M] Leon
[M] Leila
[M] Refia
[M] Luneth
[M] Rydia
[M] Kain
[M] Faris
[M] Galuf
[M] Relm
[M] Setzer
[M] Yuffie
[M] Cid
[M] Laguna - Murdered, Night 1 - Doctor
[M] Quistis
[M] Quina
[M] Blank
[M] Wakka
[M] Rikku
[M] Penelo
[M] Balthier
[M] Serah - Me
[M] Sazh - Lynched, Day 1 - Day Vigilante

So that leaves me 21 players to examine.

There are plenty lying low:

Galuf
Balthier
Penelo
Quina
Setzer
Cid
Luneth
Liela


But we have some info to go off of now, unlike day one. So I'll turn away from inactives now, meaning I have 13 players to look at.

##vote: Wakka

:greenie:

[[M] Felix]

Wakka voted for Galuf, very early, disappeared and only reappeared to give us minor info about what he was doing outside of the game. Wakka tried to pull the same crap today, with his "brb playing videogames" and didn't really have anything to say until I asked him, which he responded by making sure he nailed down either me or Wedge as mafia. Sorry dude, but I do not trust you :)

[[M] Anise]

I see your logic, but look back and you'll see I'm not saying for sure either of you are scum, I added the possibility someone else has the message from wedge and is just being quiet.

day 1 I didn't have anything to add.
And if you'll look back, you'll see I put all those possibilities on the table before you asked me to.
So your whole post is bunk.

[[M] Felix]

Looked back and found your 3 - point post.

##unvote:

Still don't trust you :p Still don't like your actions Day 1. But I'll keep looking through the thread for now.

[[M] Anise]

*kisses serah on the lips.

[[M] Felix]

:barf:

[[M] Dee]

What's with all the roleplaying and general silliness, people? This game thread is nigh unreadable!

Anyway, Yuffie's insistence on getting people to vote is troublesome and serves little to no purpose. Considering how crazy this game is, urging votes so strongly is even worse.

So Yuffie, what's with your intense love of votes?

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

What is scummy about urging people to vote? Lynching is the town's power to kill mafia, so it's important we all vote.

[[M] Dee]

Never pressure someone to vote. If they want to vote; they'll do it. But urging people to pile votes with little or no rhyme or reason during the first hour or so is destructive.

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

Really, I don't recall her specifically urging anyone to vote for someone specific, only to vote.

[[M] Dee]

Wedge;3166172']Really, I don't recall her specifically urging anyone to vote for someone specific, only to vote.
Which is worse. If you don't have a reason to vote, why vote?

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

I don't think she meant without reason. Quintis, why don't you read the thread and decide who you are going to vote for? Yuffie has already defended per pro voting stance in previous posts and she is no longer here to reiterate it.

[[M] Dee]

Wedge;3166174']I don't think she meant without reason. Quintis, why don't you read the thread and decide who you are going to vote for? Yuffie has already defended per pro voting stance in previous posts and she is no longer here to reiterate it.
I'm not going to vote when there's no one to vote for. :colbert:

Peer pressure is bad.


I distrust people who DON'T VOTE.
Why? If the Mafia's goal is to kill the townies, what's the benefit from restraining?


If you're here and not voting, what's the plan? Only planting when you're in a position to change life or death? I know, people say don't be too hasty, but Day 2 is like Day 1 (unless you want to assert and prove otherwise) and so there shouldn't be too much angst over not knowing too much.
People who don't vote lack a plan? Please, tell me your plan. And I don't know much, which is why I'm hesitant to vote.

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

So you're not going to vote, even though voting is the only way to kill Mafia? You would rather that only the Mafia vote and take us out two at a time? Your hesitation will not save you or the town.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Quistis;3166175']Why? If the Mafia's goal is to kill the townies, what's the benefit from restraining? [

Someone dies every day. If the town doesn't arrive at a decision, Stilz will decide for us, and it's fairly certain he won't reward us for indecision by taking a Mafioso off our hands.

The only way to win is to kill all the mafia, and the only way a Mafioso is eliminated is if we do it. Nobody is going to do it for us.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

dammit wedge get out of my skull

[[M] Mom – Host]

If you don't have a reason to vote, you vote because I tell you to vote kupo. There is a reason non-voters get their votes cast against them! It is because a lack of votes is no fun! :argh:

Current vote count:
[M] Galuf (3) - Kain, Rydia, SELFVOTE
[M] Blank (2) - Yuffie, Refia, Noctis, Leila, Leila
[M] Yuffie (2) - Blank, Faris, Wakka
[M] Wakka (1) Refia, Serah
[M] Leila (1) - Blank
[M] Rydia (1) - Leon, Serah
[M] Faris (1) - Noctis
[M] Serah (1) - Wedge
[M] Cid (0) - Rydia
[M] Wedge (0) - Rydia
[M] Penelo (0) - Refia


Time remaining: 16.5 hours.

Please don't accuse me of fucking up, kupo. I told you this was going to be a mindfuck mafia. If you don't like it, get out :greenie:

[[M] Mom – Host]

PS Leon's first vote counts because Lydia is the original translation. Suck it. :mog:

[[M] Anise]

Sleeps. see you in about 8 hours or so.

[[M] Dee]

Wedge;3166177']So you're not going to vote, even though voting is the only way to kill Mafia? You would rather that only the Mafia vote and take us out two at a time? Your hesitation will not save you or the town.

No, I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that I shouldn't be pressured into voting when there's no one I feel safe putting my vote on yet.

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

Rydia;3166181']dammit wedge get out of my skull

I like your skull. You said it better than I could.

[[M] Apollo]

Stiltzkin;3166183']PS Leon's first vote counts because Lydia is the original translation. Suck it. :mog:

:smug:

So... a lot has happened since I've been gone. I think you've all covered the bases as to why Wedge's message didn't go through, it's either a neat ploy, or Wedge is just unlucky (I might also add that depending on how the night roles are handled, Laguna could have been killed before the report was completed by Wedge, or that any one of the three involved had some sort of roleblock/switch/anything, which could have impacted the report).
Without further evidence I feel that he needs the benefit of the doubt. Though his role would be dangerous in the wrong hands, it could be revealing to the town none the less.

Question for Stiltzkin; are replacements required, and how long would you give an inactive before you start looking to modkill/replace them?

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/30259832.jpg

Alright ladies and gents, I've been able to read through the thread. I admit I have skimmed it to try to keep up. A lot of talking has happened already. I think this is the most active mafia game we've had in a long time. Kudos to everyone for that.

I'm a bit confused on the blank bandwagon that happened earlier. Did I miss something? Can someone explain why he was a target.

Also, the wedge roleclaim seems very abrupt. I'm confused as to why that seemed like a good idea to do on day 2. Wedge, would you care to explain why you put the limelight on yourself like that this early on? I understand, if you are truthful in your claim, that the action you took would hint at Serah being a mafia, kind of. But most night actions that I know of are received at the end of the night, rather than in the middle of it. It very well could be that case though since this is "mindsmurf mafia". Did you not think of this when you came out with your claim? I'd just like to hear more from you, Wedge.

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

Truthfully, I did not think about when the report would be received, I did think that the person I had investigated was dead and that it was quite possibly my fault he was, which was very alarming to me. I was very upset and I noticed that Serah had posted but she wasn't forthcoming about receiving any messages concerning the now dead doctor and that nonchalance made me very suspicious of her. Since it was only Day 2 there was really no other evidence to go on against her, and considering that I believed it was my ability that exposed the doctor I chose to throw it out there knowing that death is probably the reward I will get for the effort, but if I have deduced correctly then I would be exposing a mafia scum and that would be worth it to me. I didn't think about bus drivers or role blockers because I have no evidence that those rolls exist in this game, I only have what I know about myself, so that is what I have offered the town in an attempt to protect it

[[M] Helo]

Hello every body I just got here so please give me a chance to read this whole thread before you place your vote.


Noctis;3165966']Also for the record, I stomp the hell out of anyone who says "let's vote for X for being annoying". Always have, always will. That trout is worse than the inactive fetish.
It is ok Nonstick I would not have voted for you any way.


Noctis;3166017']
Yuffie;3166014']You can't be looking at the meta or even basing judgments on it unless you're scum.A MILLION DEL MURDERS!
What about two? :count:

[[M] Helo]

Ok I have read everything but it is time for me to go to bed so goodnight.

[[M] Helo]

Ok I am awake now and I will type up a long post so please give me a few hours to get it posted as I must have my good friend and editor Jiro look over it first.

[[M] Helo]

It seems like Nonstick is a good player and has already found the scums and they are Blank and that guy Faris. So now we can spend the rest of the day planning the after-mafia buffet. :tongue:

But let us make sure we do not become the snakes to his snake charming ways. As the philosopher Samuel L. Adams once said "There are too many mother smurfing snakes in this mother smurfing game".

So I will turn my attention to that onion kid Refia.


Refia;3166046']I still don't know who to go after, so I'll keep my vote on Penelo. It seems as good a vote as any outside the people who popped in once or twice then vanished.
But I thought Penelo was one of those people who did pop up and vanish. So why put your vote on her?


Refia;3166104']Of everyone so far, you seem the scummiest Rydia. But my reasoning is weak, it's only because of that weak cop role dropping idea. I really can't use that to justify a vote on the second sexiest girl around here.
I will help you with this game because you mention that you did not know who to go after in your post above. You should go after the person who seems the scummiest. You are welcome for the tip.


Refia;3166124']Well I'm going to go to sleep, so I'll switch my vote.
##Unvote: Panelo
##Vote: Wakka
Only because he doesn't understand the beauty of my Rydia. :love:
That is odd that you vote for the person who questions the person who you think is scummiest.

And finally the worst thing of all I have read in this forum:


Refia;3165960']Quina is still oddly suspicious. Maybe we hurt it's feeling talking about how ugly and disgusting it is. :(
This makes me truly sad. :( :(

I will now open the floor for discussion.

[[M] Helo]

Thank you for the lively and entertaining discussion following my posts. Based on this I think I will place my vote on that guy Faris and trust that charmer Nonstick for now. I will not repeat his posts through the quote button but I agree with that train of thought for now. I still do not trust that onion kid how ever.

I will also mention that I believe my good friend Wedgie's role claim. It is odd that Serah did not get the report but there are various explanations for this some of which result in Serah turning red.

It is also odd that Delguna did not protect himself on Night 1. A veteran player with only Day 1 spam to snack on would not have a lot of cause to protect some one other than himself. So what happened?

##Vote: Faris