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*Laurelindo*
12-01-2012, 12:30 AM
Rydia is a Summoner, and Black Magic ≠ Summon Magic.
What's this all about?
Yeah, I realize that Summon Magic is in many ways similar to powerful Black Magic, but it's still not the same profession.

Mirage
12-01-2012, 01:17 AM
It's sort of like how I would be able to drive a bus even though I've only had drivers education for regular cars.

Sephex
12-01-2012, 01:32 AM
She's a racist, obviously.

Jowy
12-01-2012, 06:05 AM
I figure making a chocobo appear out of thin air requires a little more effort than a small flame.

*Laurelindo*
12-01-2012, 09:42 AM
I figure making a chocobo appear out of thin air requires a little more effort than a small flame.
Yes but Rydia is considered a Summoner, not a Black Mage.
And Rosa just seems to assume that if someone knows Summon Magic then they automatically know Black Magic as well, almost as if it were a weaker version of Summon Magic or something.

VeloZer0
12-01-2012, 09:56 AM
Are you referring to the part where she has to encourage Rydia to use fire? Because Rydia can already use black magic prior to this point.

*Laurelindo*
12-01-2012, 10:37 AM
Are you referring to the part where she has to encourage Rydia to use fire? Because Rydia can already use black magic prior to this point.
Yes, but I mean from an interactive perspective.
Rosa doesn't seem to know about Rydia's ability to use Black Magic, but apparently thinks that since she is a Summoner she "should" automatically be a capable Black Mage as well.
Does this mean that being skilled in Black Magic is a prerequisite for a Summoner?

VeloZer0
12-01-2012, 05:19 PM
I think Final Fantasy Tactics has proven that the answer is yes. :D

*Laurelindo*
12-01-2012, 09:54 PM
Well, technically speaking it has at least proven that Summoners are unlocked by leveling up a Black Mage. :D
Still feels like slightly different things though, Black Magic is more about controlling the elements, while Summoning is about calling entities, and Summoners don't directly use magic, they have the summoned monsters use magic for them.
But maybe I'm looking too much into things.

Mirage
12-01-2012, 10:01 PM
Yes, you are.

*Laurelindo*
12-01-2012, 10:54 PM
Yes, you are.What is your theory on the hints from FF4 and FFT, then?
It definitely seems like Squaresoft were trying to imply that Summoners are essentially extra skilled Black Mages.

VeloZer0
12-01-2012, 11:19 PM
Or that these magic creatures that are being summoned are rooted in the elements. If you think about it most summons are elemental based creatures.

Mirage
12-01-2012, 11:36 PM
Yes, you are.What is your theory on the hints from FF4 and FFT, then?
It definitely seems like Squaresoft were trying to imply that Summoners are essentially extra skilled Black Mages.

Don't have one, because I'm not reading too much into it :p.

*Laurelindo*
12-02-2012, 12:17 AM
Or that these magic creatures that are being summoned are rooted in the elements. If you think about it most summons are elemental based creatures.Well, that's true.
Actually I always kind of viewed Summons as some type of "higher form of Black Magic", and saying that they are rooted in the elements would make sense.
Of course, there are a few specials like Golem and Carbunkle, but theoretically those creatures can also be rooted in certain elements.


Don't have one, because I'm not reading too much into it http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/eoff_smilies/tongue.gif.It isn't dangerous to present random theories about what you might have thought about it, though;
you now, just for the sake of chatting about it for fun.
But you don't have to if you absolutely don't want to. :p

Mirage
12-02-2012, 01:20 AM
I refuse to be having fun. What do you think this is, kindergarden?

*Laurelindo*
12-02-2012, 01:38 AM
I refuse to be having fun. What do you think this is, kindergarden?Of course it is, a Kindergarten full of Final Fantasy fun.

Palom Porom
12-03-2012, 02:14 AM
Yuna was a high summoner,(FFX) and she wasn't skilled in black magic at all. Although you can put her in that direction lter in the game. But it does seem that in most FF's you are both skilled in Black Magic and Summoner.

Mirage
12-03-2012, 02:24 AM
There's also no reason to think that the worlds of FF10 and FF4 are in any way similar. :p

Palom Porom
12-03-2012, 03:13 AM
Yes, you are.What is your theory on the hints from FF4 and FFT, then?
It definitely seems like Squaresoft were trying to imply that Summoners are essentially extra skilled Black Mages.
I only said that because this implies other FF games were also in the mix of this convo, even vaguely.

SkyRender
12-03-2012, 06:32 AM
"
Rosa: Rydia, can you cast fire?
Rydia: No...
Rosa: Fire is the most elementary of black magic spells. As a summoner, you...[cough cough]
"
I guess Rosa is under the impression that a pre-requisite of summon magic is to be able to handle black magic. I'm too lazy to check all the messages in the mage hall/village of summons, but I'm sure it is understood that being able to summon monsters requires black magic.

Ultima Spark
12-05-2012, 02:15 PM
From the Settings Guide:

When a Summoner learns summoning magic, it is necessary for her to master basic white and black magic - so Summoners can also use magic. (emphasis mine)

Summons are an advanced type of magic, of course it would make sense to start off with the basics.

*Laurelindo*
12-06-2012, 05:20 AM
From the Settings Guide:

When a Summoner learns summoning magic, it is necessary for her to master basic white and black magic - so Summoners can also use magic. (emphasis mine)

Summons are an advanced type of magic, of course it would make sense to start off with the basics.
Depends on how you look at it - Summons can be considered "the art of summoning powerful beasts", which is quite different from ordinary magic;
you essentially call for aid and have entities handle magic for you.
But if the summoning itself requires some form of actual control over the entities' respective elements then of course it would be necessary to become proficient in certain black magic.