Doctor Who: Season 10

[Jinx]

Not the theory I've heard at all.

It has to be a past Doctor because otherwise how would Matt Smith's Doctor know what he had done?

He's the Doctor between McGann and Eccleston. Only regeneration we did not see. And what awful thing happened between 8 and 9? Time War. NuWho Doctors become 10th, 11th, 12th.

Oh and yeah, sorry, I accidentally called Matt Smith the 12th Doctor earlier in this thread because I found out SPOILERRRRS. I think I played it off well though :shobon:

Did Paul hack Del Murder?

Also, I just read that theory as well, Psychotic Murder. I guess it makes sense.

[The Man]

The Doctor has encountered the Valeyard in the past. Of course he'd know what he did.

And the Valeyard is described as an amalgamation of the Doctor from between his twelfth and final incarnations, as per Wikipedia, so introducing him as the Doctor isn't exactly stretching things too much.

But yeah, I've heard about the "Lost Doctor" theory as well. I'm not sure what I think of it, to be honest.

[Aulayna]

Wow, what an episode.

[Cuchulainn]

I heard David Tennant's back in the next one, as I'm only a casual Dr Whom fan I took this news without thinking too much about it. Now i'm thinking about it and my head's about to pop

[Raistlin]

My reading of the episode is consistent with Psy/Del's, and it seems to be what the finale was most straight-forwardly hinting at: that Hurt is the Doctor incarnation from during the Time War, and he's the one that sealed off "all" of the Time Lords, Daleks, etc. The Doctor has never been particularly proud of his conduct during the Time War, so it would make sense that he would refuse to recognize the part of himself that existed at the time.

[Lonely Paper Star]

That finale. asldkfj;aslekjf

I might have teared up a bit, too.

[NorthernChaosGod]

OMGOMGOMG

I don't want to wait to find out what happens. :(

[The Man]

Yeah after thinking about this more I'm pretty sure John Hurt's Doctor has to be the one from the Time Wars, but what he's ashamed of can't just be that he sealed off the Daleks and the Time Lords, because he's openly admitted to that as Nine, Ten, and Eleven, and that wouldn't be much of a secret. If he's so ashamed of the John Hurt incarnation that he says he's lost the right to call himself the Doctor, then he has to have done something more than any of that that we haven't heard of. And thinking about what he might have done that might eclipse any of that is, frankly, terrifying.

[blackmage_nuke]

Remember that it was a Timewar. This doesn't necessarily mean that John Hurt was an incarnation between the 8th and the 9th. It's possible that John Hurt is the doctor's final regeneration and he really is The Valeyard crossing his own timeline.

It has to be a past Doctor because otherwise how would Matt Smith's Doctor know what he had done?
It's possible that the 8th or 9th Doctor was there when he did whatever horrible thing he did.

It's also possible John Hurt is really 8th Doctor but aged the long way after the movie and all the books/audio dramas. (assuming they didn't depict his death, i haven't actually read any of them).



That's the theory I've heard as well. However, why would they introduce him as the Doctor? Only to keep you guessing? Hm.
From your apparent hate of buildup judging by the Game of thrones thread I cant tell if you're joking or if you don't understand the concept of a double twist

[Jinx]

It's not that I hate build-up. I hate how this season of Game of Thrones is being written and directed. I've read the books, and it was executed much better. Don't be insulting in your assumptions. It's just rude.

No, the reason I said that is because there's a big difference between a show leading you to believe a character is one way, and later having it revealed they were a different way (i.e. this character was good and helpful, later turns out to be the main villain) and a show straight up telling you OH HEY GUYS THIS IS THIS EXACT CHARACTER OKAY WE ARE NAMING HIM AS THIS CHARACTER AND NO OTHER CHARACTER and then later having it be an entirely different character and saying LOL JK WE LIED.

[Agent Proto]

....Um, are you sure you're in the right thread?

[Skyblade]

My reading of the episode is consistent with Psy/Del's, and it seems to be what the finale was most straight-forwardly hinting at: that Hurt is the Doctor incarnation from during the Time War, and he's the one that sealed off "all" of the Time Lords, Daleks, etc. The Doctor has never been particularly proud of his conduct during the Time War, so it would make sense that he would refuse to recognize the part of himself that existed at the time.

Except that it's well known that he did, and that everyone, including the Dalek's and the Time Lords, still refer to him as "The Doctor" when he did it. They didn't recognize him as someone else, someone with another name.


Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm about to go into a major, major rant about this episode, and what a let down it was.

First: Who or what was the Great Intelligence? Why did he hate the Doctor so much (seriously, three defeats is enough to make him destroy the universe for revenge)? How did he survive as a disembodied mind for so long? How exactly was he trapped and wanting to be "at peace"?

Second: How did he control his non-entitous minions when he wasn't possessing them? Why did they collapse to nothing when he shattered their form, yet Strax's blow was immediately healed?

Third: How did TGI learn of the Doctor, his secrets, and his history? How did he grab three people from 1800's London through spacetime to the Doctor's grave? If he's capable of temporal manipulation, why did he need to access the Doctor's grave in the first place? How did he know what the grave contained or how it would work?

Fourth: If the Silence were organized specifically to prevent this from happening (and also seemed to know exactly where and when it would happen), where the frell were they when they could have actually been useful?

This episode reeked of contrivance. The character moments were bloody brilliant, I won't fault that, but the events and plot which got them there sucked. Nothing was explained, nothing made sense. It was a story built around the character moments and development, but which has no substance or depth of its own.

And I might take all that, if this was the first time they'd pulled something like this and I had some reasonable expectation that it might all get explained in the future. But considering I'm still waiting on similar explanations from two seasons ago... Yeah, I'm at the point where I've given up on deep writing and huge behind the scenes actions, and instead I'm thinking that everything's being pulled right out of the author's rear.


The Great Intelligence is the Master. It explains his knowledge of time travel, his knowledge of the Doctor, pretty much everything about his motivation. How exactly he controls the non-entities is a bit of an unknown, but we could believe it of a character who was actually built up and developed to be so clever and smart, and also one so broken. It would even explain the disembodied mind thing, as the failed resurrections and multiple destructions have already done some really weird things to him.

It would also explain why an entity capable of living forever and manipulating spacetime would want access to the Doctor's tomb. Getting access to everything that is the Doctor and manipulating it directly is perfectly in character. Even though he doesn't need to do it, he would, because it's malicious and has that personal touch that the Master loves oh so much.

I love the characters and their interactions in this story, but the story itself was not up to par.



Oh, one final note. Get over River Song already. Geez, I am sick of that Mary Sue.

[Jinx]

Yes, I am. Read BMN's post, and then it will make sense, Proto. My first post is addressing him bringing up my opinions on GoT, the second is me explaining why I did not assume last night's reveal was setting up for a "double twist" as he said it.

Does that mean that's not what will happen? That John Hurt might be playing the Valeyard or someone else (who is an incarnation/persona of the Doctor, but not the actual Doctor, nor identified as the Doctor? Sure, that might happen. But if it does, I honestly think that's poor writing.

I don't mind build-ups. I still stand by my opinion that this has been the greatest season of Doctor Who ever. Or, at least from the reboot, as I haven't seen much Classic Who. I understand that people disagree with me, and I'm not really trying to set up an argument to justify that. It's just how I feel. But I know that a lot of people were unhappy with the second half of this season, as they felt it wasn't connected enough, or that not enough happened. I loved it. Why? BECAUSE of that. BECAUSE I knew it was building up to something. And while I don't think the reveal of Clara was as gigantic as I was hoping--but then, I read so many fan theories, it was bound to not live up to my expectation--but I think that the ending was so spectacular, and I am on my seat ready for the 50th Anniversary.

tl;dr I like build-ups when they're done right.

[The Man]

First: Who or what was the Great Intelligence?Rather than boring you with paragraphs on paragraphs, I will supply a link to the Tardis wiki (http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Intelligence), a fountain of information for questions like this.


Why did he hate the Doctor so much (seriously, three defeats is enough to make him destroy the universe for revenge)?It wasn't trying to destroy the smurfing universe. Don't be dramatic. It was trying to destroy the Doctor. Also there were far more than three defeats.


How did he survive as a disembodied mind for so long?It was a disembodied intelligence to begin with. It's also a member of the Cthulhu Mythos (specifically, Yog-Sothoth) according to expanded universe materials so basically expecting it to obey the laws of life on this planet is beyond ridiculous. Obviously it has powers beyond the powers of Earth life. This is far from unprecedented; the monster in "Midnight" is never even depicted onscreen and we never learn even a single detail about what it is or how it works, but it manages to control a human woman and the Doctor. This is far from the only example in the series' history.


How exactly was he trapped and wanting to be "at peace"?I'm not even sure what this question is supposed to be asking.


Second: How did he control his non-entitous minions when he wasn't possessing them?The same way it turned the Whisper Man into Walter Simeon. It's a disembodied intelligence. It is only using Simeon as its avatar because humans (and Time Lords) respond to human forms. It's a disembodied intelligence with the powers of telekinesis. By linking the Great Intelligence with the avatar it is possessing, you are not paying attention to the way it actually behaves. The avatar is not the Great Intelligence; it is merely the Great Intelligence's avatar. Moreover, it is pretty clearly possessing all of the Whisper Men; Walter Simeon's form is simply the only one it turned into a recognisable human form. This is how the Great Intelligence has worked for a long time; it was controlling all the Yeti robots in "The Abominable Snowmen" as well.


Why did they collapse to nothing when he shattered their form, yet Strax's blow was immediately healed?Pretty obviously they collapsed when the Great Intelligence shattered them because it was no longer holding them together, and Strax's blow was immediately healed because it was holding the one he struck together.


Third: How did TGI learn of the Doctor, his secrets, and his history?Obviously it happened offscreen. Do we really need to be shown the way the villain learns of every single aspect of what it uses in its plans? Because that would be tremendously boring storytelling. It doesn't advance the plot in any entertaining way. A disembodied intelligence pretty clearly has a wide range of ways to gather information, and it's not particularly necessary for us to see it learn things that it is going to use in the future.


How did he grab three people from 1800's London through spacetime to the Doctor's grave? If he's capable of temporal manipulation, why did he need to access the Doctor's grave in the first place?The psychic link between all the people in the 'conference call' is pretty obviously what enabled it to move them across time. It can't just move anyone anywhere; and more importantly, it can't move itself in time. Being able to travel in time directly on its own would give it the ability to wreak far more havoc on the Doctor's timestream.


How did he know what the grave contained or how it would work?Again, it had obviously been given the information offscreen.


Fourth: If the Silence were organized specifically to prevent this from happening (and also seemed to know exactly where and when it would happen), where the frell were they when they could have actually been useful?The Doctor had defeated them to the extent that they would be terrified of ever showing their face to any human that existed after 1969. Do you really expect that they could possibly do anything where any human is present after such a crushing defeat? Because if you do, then you weren't paying attention. The Silence couldn't show up because Clara (and probably others in the party) would "kill [them] all on sight". In fact, for all we know, they did show up and they were killed, but because the party stopped looking at them they forgot about it.

A lot of your questions are answered in the wiki article I linked or in the article about the episode.


The Great Intelligence is the Master. It explains his knowledge of time travel, his knowledge of the Doctor, pretty much everything about his motivation. How exactly he controls the non-entities is a bit of an unknown, but we could believe it of a character who was actually built up and developed to be so clever and smart, and also one so broken. It would even explain the disembodied mind thing, as the failed resurrections and multiple destructions have already done some really weird things to him.

It would also explain why an entity capable of living forever and manipulating spacetime would want access to the Doctor's tomb. Getting access to everything that is the Doctor and manipulating it directly is perfectly in character. Even though he doesn't need to do it, he would, because it's malicious and has that personal touch that the Master loves oh so much.While it's possible that the Great Intelligence is the Master, it would also mean the Master is Yog-Sothoth, which is highly unlikely since the Master is identified as a Time Lord, and has been known as a Time Lord since at least childhood if not infancy. It would mean that Yog-Sothoth has been running a very, very long con, which is possible, but unlikely because it would make for shoddy storytelling.


Get over River Song already. Geez, I am sick of that Mary Sue.River Song is far from a Mary Sue.

[blackmage_nuke]

Sorry i read ahead and assumed someone had stated the theory that the valeyard and the doctor are the same person but then i didnt notice that post was after your post and i read the mans post wrong, my bad!

[Skyblade]

I thought the audio plays and books were non-canon. And I certainly never made the connection to Web of Fear (although looking back, I can see the connection). That might have been a good thing to actually explain some time in the season.

[Cuchulainn]

I can't be the only one who hopes Commander Strax shows up in every episode can I?


“Horse! You have failed in your mission. We are lost with no sign of Sweetville. Do you have any final words before your summary execution?”

[charliepanayi]

Strax is hilarious (especially that bit with the horse), but I think having him around all the time might wear thin after a while, the occasional appearance works better.

[The Man]

The canonicity of the EU materials has never been firmly established (apart from that the 2010-2011 games are considered "extra episodes"), but they often explain things that happen in the show itself (for example, the Cybermen learning the ability to adapt to new threats from the Borg makes much more sense than them just randomly gaining the ability), so it's plausible that they'd exist in the same continuity.

Strax is awesome but I think it'd be better for him, Vastra and Jenny to get a spinoff than for them to appear in every DW episode. Even Matt Smith has agreed with this so it might even actually happen.

[Jinx]

I like Strax, I think he's funny. But I'm not crazy in love with him like everyone else is. I think a little bit of Strax goes a long way, and he gets annoying really fast.

I do like how he always gets the genders of humans wrong, though.

[The Man]

While the most popular theory about John Hurt's Doctor seems to be that he was from the Time War, people on TV Tropes are also theorising that John Hurt may have been an incarnation from before William Hartnell's Doctor:


Assuming he actually is a previous incarnation, then there are only two possible points he could have come from; between the Eighth and Ninth Doctors, or before the First.

Consider what was said about the secret, "you've been running from your whole life". The Doctor who started running was the First. So the secret dates back to him. So, although he was the first Doctor, he was not the first incarnation of that Time Lord. He changed his name after regenerating and started running from whatever he had done. Yes, the First Doctor wasn't really a good guy when we met him, but he was still reforming. Perhaps at that point he was thinking that he'd already done the worst he could, and couldn't really be any worse.

This would be consistent with the multiple pre-Hartnell Doctors implied by The Brain of Morbius.

Other theories:


The EU toys with the idea that the Doctor was, in an earlier life (via either an incarnation before the First, a literal reincarnation, literally made from his raw material, etc), a Time Lord known as "the Other", who co-founded Time Lord society alongside Rassilon and Omega.


John Hurt's Doctor is the one who killed the Time Lords, but also the one who made it necessary to kill them. During the Time War, the Eighth Doctor found out that he will one day destroy the Time Lords. He couldn't do anything about it, but then he died and regenerated into much darker John Hurt's Doctor. This Doctor decided to save the Time Lords any way he could, and came up with a plan, the same plan seen in The End of Time. However, he then realized he didn't want to be responsible for that, and decided to stop it only way he could: by killing all the Time Lords. He then went to Trenzalore to await his death and regeneration into Nine. So the other Doctors hate him, not because he killed the Time Lords, but because he made it necessary to kill them.


John Hurt's Doctor is exactly what the Doctor said he is. He's the incarnation between 8 and 9 who did such utterly terrible things during the time war that he does not consider himself the Doctor. This would make the Ninth Doctor the 10th incarnation, but not the 10th Doctor, and so on. This means Simeon's mention of the Valeyard may become relevant in the near future, as that would make 11 the twelfth incarnation.

Perhaps John Hurt's Doctor is from a time BEFORE he took on the persona of the Doctor. Before becoming the 1st Doctor, he acted closer to the Time Lord Victorious, which led to a event that broke him so greatly he ran.

The way 11 spoke to him and the way he replied sort of implied that it was an incarnation that had been the Doctor prior.
He is the incarnation between Eight and Nine, as we have never seen Eight regenerate and this is the only possible place he can be from because the Doctor clearly remembers him as being in the past. However, given the Doctor's free admission of committing genocide and doing other horrible things to end the time war, the only explanation is that this one did something much, much worse to the point that The Doctor wants to expunge him from all memory for all time forever.
We never see Two regenerating into Three either…



The John Hurt's Doctor is not the past or future Doctor. He is not the one who stopped the Time War. Nor did he end some nebulous future conflict. He is the Doctor from the poisoned timeline created by the Great Intelligence whose every victory was turned into defeat, who gave up the moniker of the Doctor, and who perhaps destroyed his entire universe in the name of peace. In other words, he's the Valeyard.
Normally, Valeyard guesses annoy me, because he's never been mentioned once in the new series... until this episode, when the Great Intelligence listed him with other names the Doctor would have... so if this isn't true, Moffat has deliberately tried to mislead us, because there is no way he couldn't realise how people would read into that.
If he's not a previous Doctor (Which This Troper really hopes he's not) he has to be the Valeyard. After all, the Valeyard was the Doctor, albeit a future one. And this Season introduced the Great Intelligence as played by a different actor why couldn't the Valeyard?
He can't be one of the eleven we know, as Clara explicitly set him apart from them (and called Smith the Eleventh Doctor). On top of that, the Doctor's dialogue suggests he already knows who this Doctor is, which means he may not be the Valeyard since that's a pre-Twelfth incarnation.
The Doctor already knows who the Valeyard is. On the other hand, the Valeyard is not the kind of person to do things "in the name of peace and sanity".
You never know. He might have had Character Development over time. Or he could simply use the claim as justification for his actions; plenty of other Doctor's foes have claimed to act for greater good while gratifying their selfish impulses.
John Hurt's Doctor is no one other than the Valeyard
The valeyard is all what is bad about the Doctor, and the Doctor is dead afraid of both of them. With time being rewritten, there is no need to use the old actor
John Hurt's Doctor can't be the Valeyard, the Valeyard is all the hate and malice the Doctor didn't express. John Hurt's Doctor did commit a terrible act, but still acted with some form a conscience.
You only have his own word for it. Just because he claims that his actions are justifiable doesn't make it true. The Cybermen, for example, always insist that they are working in the name of peace and equality. Also, while Valeyard is all the hate and malice that the Doctor has pent up, he is still the same person and is likely to have a conscience, just monstrously warped and capable of justifying almost any action in the name of greater good.
The Valeyard does not have a conscience, in every appearance he had in the classic series he was defined by his selfish desire for self-preservation and egotism, what John Hurt's Doctor did, the Doctor accepts, but not as the Doctor.
The new series has added extra depth to characters like the Master. Giving Valeyard similar treatment would fit the trend. As I already mentioned, he is still the Doctor and has his characteristics, albeit horribly warped.
Furthermore, even the Valeyard could, for example, save the universe if his own life was at stake, even if he didn't have a better reason for it.

I'm not sure which of these I like the most. I do, however, like the theory that Hurt's Doctor was what Eleven saw behind the door in "The God Complex", which seems quite likely now.

ETA: This Slate piece is really good (http://slate.me/17Ngukr). Massive spoilers, sweetie. This piece on Tor is good too (http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/doctor-who-the-name-of-the-doctor).

[Jinx]

I just want to point out that while we know that it's possible there have been other regenerations that we don't know about if the 4th theory you've posted is true, technically Eleven would be the thirteenth incarnation, as Ten regenerated into himself in Journey's End.

[The Man]

I think the Tennant-into-Tennant regeneration isn't considered a change in number because he obviously didn't change his body, or his personality with it.

[Jinx]

I didn't say he changed his number, just that you have to realize he still regenerated. Meaning, he used up regeneration energy.

[The Man]

My suspicion is that regenerating into the same body doesn't use up nearly as much regeneration energy as actually changing body/personality. I'm not sure on that but it's probably been addressed somewhere in the Whoniverse.

[The Man]

Regarding the Silence and their apparent lack of presence in the series 7 finale, this is from TV Tropes' Wild Mass Guessing page:


The Silence were present in the episode, we just didn't see them. Specifically, they are spying on Jenny and Vastra. Jenny looks like she sees something that she couldn't quite focus on, just like when Amy saw the Silence for the first time, and is then interrupted by Vastra stepping in front of her, just like Rory did. It could have been the Whispermen she saw, but there is a remarkable similarity to The Day of the Moon.

It would make perfect sense for them to be spying on Jenny and Vastra, since they live in a time before the moon landings. Of course, if they've seen the moon landing tape in their time travels, this would throw a big wrench into the Silence's meddling.

[Quindiana Jones]

About to start this season now. Should I watch the Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe? If so, anybody got a link? :D

The rest I can handle, I just can't find a reliable place for it.

[Quindiana Jones]

"What colour?

....

...sorry, there weren't any good questions left."

Yup. Off to a good start.

[The Man]

"The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe" is pretty good and worth watching, though it's not the best Christmas special they've ever done. I think I watched it on either Netflix or Amazon Prime, but you've probably got different libraries of episodes in the U.K. than we've got here.

[Quindiana Jones]

In China. Illegal streaming only, I'm afraid.

[The Man]

Oh, I forgot you were in China. Bad luck.

[Agent Proto]

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[The Man]

That. Is. Awesome.

[Madame Adequate]

So when are we getting a Paternoster Gang spinoff? I wish Jenny had a difference accent but the whole gang is still absolutely awesome.

[Formalhaut]

So when are we getting a Paternoster Gang spinoff? I wish Jenny had a difference accent but the whole gang is still absolutely awesome.

Hey I like her accent! It really complimented that harrowing line where she said "I think I've been murdered". Now that was creepy.

[Jinx]

So when are we getting a Paternoster Gang spinoff? I wish Jenny had a difference accent but the whole gang is still absolutely awesome.

Hey I like her accent! It really complimented that harrowing line where she said "I think I've been murdered". Now that was creepy.

I cried there. But not because of her accent.

[Formalhaut]

So when are we getting a Paternoster Gang spinoff? I wish Jenny had a difference accent but the whole gang is still absolutely awesome.

Hey I like her accent! It really complimented that harrowing line where she said "I think I've been murdered". Now that was creepy.

I cried there. But not because of her accent.

Well no, it wasn't just the accent, but I thought it complimented the scene well. Besides, she lives in Victorian London. You pretty much have that accent.

[Ouch!]

Matt Smith to Leave Doctor Who (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/Matt-Smith-to-leave-Doctor-Who)

Well that was unexpected.

[Psychotic]

ZACHIE CHAN WHY DID YOU MAKE HIM LEAVE THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT I WILL NEVER FORGIVE :argh:

[charliepanayi]

Whoever the new Doctor is, I look forward to seeing various denizens of the internet saying how rubbish he is as soon as he's announced, and after his sixty-second appearance at the end of the Christmas episode.

[Psychotic]

Whoever the new Doctor is, I look forward to seeing various denizens of the internet saying how rubbish he is as soon as he's announced, and after his sixty-second appearance at the end of the Christmas episode.Will freely admit I thought this about Tennant and then Smith. :shobon:

[Madame Adequate]

In this case it will actually be true though because there is nobody as good as Smith and he needs to not leave the show. Ever.

Of all the things that could possibly happen this is the worst possible thing.

[Agent Proto]

I knew this was coming. I don't want this to happen, but I'm sure we'll be all fine and dandy once Matt's last episode, the Christmas special, airs and we finally get introduced to the new Doctor.

[Slothy]

Well, the week already sucked for me, why not Saturday too?

[NorthernChaosGod]

Wtf. :nonono:

[Jinx]

Supposedly after this Christmas special, the show is taking a hiatus until late 2014.

[The Man]

As if this news couldn't have gotten any worse. Damn it.

[Slothy]

Supposedly after this Christmas special, the show is taking a hiatus until late 2014.

Fuck this show god damn it!

I'm sorry, I swear I love you Doctor Who. Don't leave me. :cry:

[Agent Proto]

So, are we having a repeat of what happened at the end of Tennant's tenure as the Doctor? Well, he did have that break after season 4 and did a few special episodes.

[CimminyCricket]

I'm sad that Smith is leaving. He is my third Doctor and by far my favorite. I'm not sure how I'll feel about this next doctor. :C

[NorthernChaosGod]

This show can suck it, always messing with my emotions.

[Lonely Paper Star]

Sayy whaaaaattt??

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[Night Fury]

Guys. I have something to tell you all.

I'm actually not going to Australia for a year, but I've been cast as the next Doctor.

[Quindiana Jones]

"Why aye, pet, tha Daleks are attack'n."

[Raistlin]

I know this will be unpopular, but I actually think it's time Smith left, and that this was a good decision.

Tennant was still better. :p Allons-y!

[Ouch!]

I've been stunned by the number of people coming out of the woodwork hoping that this means that Moffat will also be leaving the show because he's run it into the ground. I know that the internet is a popular place to spew stupid opinions, but what?

[Raistlin]

I think Moffat is a better writer than lead producer, and that most of the 7th season was pretty weak (at least until the last two episodes), but I certainly wouldn't go that far.

[Slothy]

Yeah, a lot of people hate his run, but I'm personally with Raistlin on him. Great script writer, not as good as a show runner. I think that overall the RTD era was a bit better in that regard, but that era can also lay claim to some of the best episodes Moffat ever penned. And I certainly wouldn't say that Moffat's turn as show runner has been awful. Uneven in places certainly, but still enjoyable.

[Psychotic]

The second season of Moffat's run was a bit ropey with the constant POWER OF LOVES but I think it was better than RTD's run overall.

[charliepanayi]

Once Moffat leaves give it a year or two and people will be saying 'the new showrunner sucks! Now Moffat, he was good'. They seem to be doing the same at the moment with Moffat and RTD.

[Bunny]

I know this will be unpopular, but I actually think it's time Smith left, and that this was a good decision.

Tennant was still better. :p Allons-y!

It is a good time that Smith left but he was so superior to Tennant that it is unbelievable. Tennant was too much of an angry-grr Doctor.

[charliepanayi]

Haven't Tennant and Smith wound up doing almost exactly the same number of episodes anyway? Since the show returned, my preference is Smith > Ecclestone > Tennant, but I think they all brought something different and I liked all of them.

[Jinx]

Listen. Listen. I love me some David Tennant. I really, really do. He was the first Doctor I was introduced to, and I even have a tattoo with the freaking words "Allons-y."

But. But. BUT. Matt Smith is just better. It's true. It's objective. Yes, objective. He plays whimsy much better than Tennant, and he plays heartbreak better than Tennant. I'd say the one area where Tennant was better was anger/intimidation, but Smith is still incredibly strong with that emotion.

I would in no way every degrade either of them, as they're both brilliant. I could even say that I prefer Eleven, as opposed to preferring Ten. I just love what Matt Smith's done, and it blows my mind that there are actually people out there who think he's a bad actor. Those people also need to divorce script from acting ability (as, overall, the writing in Smith's episodes has been much weaker than the writing in Tennant's.)

tl;dr same shit I always say, different day

[Quindiana Jones]

Turns out copyright doesn't exist in China. Can watch every episode on Baidu (essentially Google), streaming with absolutely no buffering. Heaven.

[Night Fury]

Christopher Eccleston will always be my Doctor.

[Madame Adequate]

Christopher Eccleston will always be my Doctor.

Lots of planets have a north!

[The Man]

Eccleston was my first and in a lot of ways I'm not sure anyone has ever topped him in my estimation. That said, I'm pretty sure that, forced to choose between Tom Baker, Eccleston, Tennant, and Smith, I couldn't do it. Peter Davison would be pretty high up on the list too, and Patrick Troughton is no slouch either.

I kind of hope for the new Doctor that they cast someone who's either not white or not male. Or both. Either that or a ginger.

[Lonely Paper Star]

I kind of hope for the new Doctor that they cast someone who's either not white or not male. Or both. Either that or a ginger.

I kind of hope it's someone like Richard Ayoade. :X

[Bunny]

I kind of hope for the new Doctor that they cast someone who's either not white or not male. Or both. Either that or a ginger.

I kind of hope it's someone like Richard Ayoade. :X

I am having a hard time picturing him as the Doctor but man is he awesome.

I'm in the same boat as The Man. I'm still holding out for Benedict Cumberbatch though. I know it is a pipe dream, but I deserve one.

[The Man]

Benedict Cumberbatch would definitely be awesome.

[charliepanayi]

I imagine Ayoade is too busy being a filmmaker now to do something as full-time as Doctor Who.

[Psychotic]

Throwing in my lot with Cumberbatch.

Also, although it was an awful Americanised piece of garbage, Paul McGann was a beast in the 90's TV movie.

[Night Fury]

See Bumbersnatch is Sherlock to me.

I have heard rumours that it will be the guy who played 'Q' in the latest bond though.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdat4wppEr1qb3tr7o1_500.jpg

[Cuchulainn]

I kind of hope for the new Doctor that they cast someone who's either not white or not male. Or both. Either that or a ginger.

I kind of hope it's someone like Richard Ayoade. :X

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151673777985351&set=a.412193180350.206506.320771340350&type=1&theater
dw02kVukxeQ

[Raistlin]

I kind of hope for the new Doctor that they cast someone who's either not white or not male. Or both. Either that or a ginger.

I actually hope the next Doctor isn't a woman, despite my outspoken feminism. This opinion has nothing to do with women's acting abilities, and everything to do with Moffat. After what he did to Irene Adler (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/03/sherlock-sexist-steven-moffat) in Sherlock -- completely eliminating her intellectual prowess and making her an oblivious pawn who was defeated in the end by a schoolgirl crush (and of course then needed rescuing by Sherlock) -- I have very little faith in Moffat's ability to portray a strong female Doctor. I'd rather not have to cringe every time I turn on this show.

[Cuchulainn]

I don't think i'd watch it if it was a female doctor. Complete pandering to political correctness. Time Lords have never re-generated to a completely different sex.

[Psychotic]

If it's Miranda Hart like it has been touted then I will not watch it until she's gone. She is utterly foul.

[Madame Adequate]

Didn't the Doctor explicitly say he's been a woman before? Or that the Corsair was? Some Time Lord he commented on, anyway.

e; jesus christ please tell me you're joking about that possibility Paul

[Night Fury]

See I do not like Miranda Hart in her show 'Miranda'. It is possibly the worst thing I've ever seen, but she comes across well in interviews and she was a darling in Call the Midwife.

I do not want to see her as the Dr though, ever. Olivia Colman has been suggested too. If the Dr was to be female, I'd like to see an actress who is quite petite and cutesy, but obviously highly intelligent. Someone like Felicia Day would be a perfect female Dr imo.

[Slothy]

Didn't the Doctor explicitly say he's been a woman before? Or that the Corsair was? Some Time Lord he commented on, anyway.

It might have been mentioned other times, but the Doctor specifically mentioned the Corsair was a woman once. I believe the Doctor also thought he might be a woman until he felt his adam's apple when Tennant regenerated to Matt Smith.

[charliepanayi]

The new Doctor is not going to be a woman, no idea why so many people online are getting into debates about it. And to be honest I'm baffled when people label Moffat as some sort of terribly sexist writer. He's resorted to damsel in distress tropes? Wow, nobody else out there does that! Guy Ritchie's second Sherlock Holmes film bumped off Irene Adler at the start, but I don't see anybody banging on about that.

[The Man]

Not to mention Moffat subverts and even inverts damsel in distress tropes at least as often as he plays them straight. Let's not forget how many times female characters have unambiguously saved the Doctor. I find it baffling that the creator of Madame Vastra and Jenny Flint is often accused of misogyny.

[Slothy]

The new Doctor is not going to be a woman, no idea why so many people online are getting into debates about it.

Probably because no one can say the first part for certain (unless you have a TARDIS and haven't been sharing. :colbert:) and because speculation is fun. Tell me that it wouldn't be interesting to suddenly have a woman play the Doctor.

[Bunny]

I find it baffling that the creator of Madame Vastra and Jenny Flint is often accused of misogyny.

The Doctor hasn't been a woman, therefore Moffat is misogynistic. It is a terrible kind of stupid logic.


Tell me that it wouldn't be interesting to suddenly have a woman play the Doctor.

With the right actress, I think I could come to accept the Doctor being played by a woman. I have nothing against the notion of it but I still have trouble picturing it as being anything but a move in the wrong direction.

Also apparently http://stfu-moffat.tumblr.com/ is a thing.

[Cuchulainn]

Whoever made that needs shot in the flaps.

[Madame Adequate]

The new Doctor is not going to be a woman, no idea why so many people online are getting into debates about it. And to be honest I'm baffled when people label Moffat as some sort of terribly sexist writer. He's resorted to damsel in distress tropes? Wow, nobody else out there does that! Guy Ritchie's second Sherlock Holmes film bumped off Irene Adler at the start, but I don't see anybody banging on about that.

Raistling banged on about that on this page you muppet.

[The Man]

Actually he was banging on about Moffat's treatment of Irene Adler, not Guy Ritchie's.

That said Elementary had by far the best take on her character. And I'm not going to say anything more because spoilers. Seriously don't even look her character up unless you've seen the finale.

[Madame Adequate]

Oh I'm just illiterate and dumb please ignore me

[Jinx]

Please no Benedict Cumberbatch.

[The Man]

Apparently the Twelfth Doctor has been chosen (http://www.doctorwho.com/bbc-has-chosen-the-next-doctor/). No announcement of who it is yet though.

[Agent Proto]

I read that it's going to be Domhnall Gleeson yesterday.

So, he's going to be ginger if this is true.

[Jinx]

I read that they've put it between three people, Domhnall Gleeson being one of those people.

[The Man]

This article (http://www.starburstmagazine.com/tv-news/5530-tv-news-doctor-who) has three names. It might even be the one Sam read.

[Jinx]

This article (http://www.starburstmagazine.com/tv-news/5530-tv-news-doctor-who) has three names. It might even be the one Sam read.

It is, indeed!

BLACK DOCTOR

[The Man]

Yeah, Kaluuya would be an interesting choice. While DW has addressed discrimination before (think "Human Nature" and "The Family of Blood"), it's never been the Doctor who's had to face it directly. This could lead to interesting plots if handled well.

[Jinx]

I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right. Considering he's a time traveler, and if he went back in time...

I've wanted a black Doctor for awhile.

[Raistlin]

But then there will never be another non-black Doctor.

/exit stage left

[Jinx]

>.>

[The Man]

Moffat says the casting announcement rumours are false (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/08/steven-moffat-says-that-they-havent-cast-the-new-doctor-who-yet/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook). Of course this is Moffat, and Rule One is Moffat lies, but still.

[Psychotic]

It's not the office of the President, for smurf's sake. "I can't wait until the day an African-American man is in the TARDIS! HOPE~~~"

Americans ruin everything. I've had this thought for a while but you've tipped me over the edge. Stop liking Doctor Who, all of you. I forbid it. The 1990's Doctor Who TV movie proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you just don't get it. Your nation is just the dorkiest country on the planet and you're not cool enough to hang out in our clubhouse. Now jog on. :colbert:

[Jinx]

It's not the office of the President, for smurf's sake. "I can't wait until the day an African-American man is in the TARDIS! HOPE~~~"

Americans ruin everything. I've had this thought for a while but you've tipped me over the edge. Stop liking Doctor Who, all of you. I forbid it. The 1990's Doctor Who TV movie proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you just don't get it. Your nation is just the dorkiest country on the planet and you're not cool enough to hang out in our clubhouse. Now jog on. :colbert:

Actually, I'm pretty against a female Doctor.

Unlike my fellow Americans, I don't have white guilt, and I don't think someone should get something because of the colour of their skin, or what is between their legs. I think it'd be interesting to have a black Doctor, though.

[Formalhaut]

I honestly wouldn't mind a black or female doctor. Make him/her hispanic for all I care. Just so long as the change is explained well and they can act.

[Aulayna]

Is it bad that I re-watched the finale and spent the whole time thinking "I love Clara's outfit"

:blush:

[Psychotic]

I think it'd be interesting to have a black Doctor, though.Why? If it's "oh, what if racism?" then it's not going to happen. They're not going to have him going back to civil war America and have people try to lynch him. It's Family Viewing and this is the bloody BBC. Did you ever see Robin Hood? It was one of the many family shows they created in the wake of Doctor Who 2.0's success. Medieval drama, loaded to the brim with black people who would not have remotely been there. Nobody commented on them, nobody acknowledged them as being different, they were just there.

If there's a black actor who can do the role justice, awesome, but he should be the doctor because he's awesome, not because he is black, and his race shouldn't even be commented on in the show - just as it isn't now. The choice of actor should never be a political statement about how we're a totally not racist and oh-so inclusive society. "I have both friends and Time Lords who are black so I can't be racist".

[Jinx]

I have Time Lords who are black. x)

No, I see your point, and I mostly agree. That's stupid about that Robin Hood show, though.

[charliepanayi]

I think it'd be interesting to have a black Doctor, though.Why? If it's "oh, what if racism?" then it's not going to happen. They're not going to have him going back to civil war America and have people try to lynch him. It's Family Viewing and this is the bloody BBC. Did you ever see Robin Hood? It was one of the many family shows they created in the wake of Doctor Who 2.0's success. Medieval drama, loaded to the brim with black people who would not have remotely been there. Nobody commented on them, nobody acknowledged them as being different, they were just there.

All Robin Hood-related stuff is just trailing in the wake of Maid Marian and Her Merry Men and Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves anyway!

[Psychotic]

Danny John-Jules for the next Doctor. It's P-P-P-Pancake Day!

[The Man]

The Telegraph is reporting (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/10108234/BBC-asks-James-Bond-star-to-be-its-new-Doctor-Who.html) that Rory Kinnear, who played Q in Quantum of Solace and Skyfall, will be the Twelfth Doctor. This apparently remains to be officially confirmed by the BBC, however. More here (http://www.kasterborous.com/2013/06/has-rory-kinnear-been-offered-the-twelfth-doctor/).

[Jinx]

I saw this on another page.

[Bunny]

Idris Elba.

He can act, he's black, and he's British. smurf everyone.

Seriously though, I completely agree with Psychotic. Someone hold me.

[Jinx]

Wait, wait

WHAT ABOUT A BLACK WOMAN DOCTOR

[Formalhaut]

Wait, wait

WHAT ABOUT A BLACK WOMAN DOCTOR

WHAT ABOUT A BLACK LESBIAN WOMAN DOCTOR? That would turn heads!

[The Man]

The Most Exciting Doctor Who Rumor in Years (http://io9.com/the-most-exciting-doctor-who-rumor-in-years-513435868)

For people who can't be bothered clicking the link, the rumour is that a bunch of missing Doctor Who stories have been found.

Can't express how much I hope this is true.

[Miriel]

Ok, so I'm halfway through the 6th season and I think the show is pretty enjoyable once I realize that it really makes no sense. I was really really confused for a little while, and I guess I still am! But no one in the show's universe seems to understand what's happening, so I guess that's just the norm.

I think, "Doctor, WHAT'S HAPPENING???" is the most frequently used line in the show. Lol.

I think it's kind of hilarious that one of the main characters dies in every episode. :p

I very much like the Doctor and the actor who plays him is kinda amazing.

[Jinx]

MATT SMITH IS A GOD

[Miriel]

I just watched The Girl Who Waited, and omg. Rory is my FAVORITE. <3

[Jinx]

That's one of the my personal favourite episodes.

[The Man]

Yeah, me too.

More details on the supposedly recovered missing stories (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/17/more-on-those-missing-doctor-who-episodes-or-less/).

[The Man]

And more: Maybe those Doctor Who missing episodes rumors are true after all? (http://io9.com/maybe-those-doctor-who-missing-episodes-rumors-are-true-514194463)

Edit: Or maybe not (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/19/bbc-officially-responds-to-bleeding-cool-over-doctor-who-rumours/). :<

[The Man]

'Doctor Who' 12th Doctor 'to be announced in August or September' - Doctor Who News - TV - Digital Spy (http://www.digitalspy.com/british-tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a491794/doctor-who-12th-doctor-to-be-announced-in-august-or-september.html)

Why so far away :( Hopefully they're just taking a long time to make the decision.

[Lonely Paper Star]

Bringing back this thead back because the trailer for the 50th Anniversary is out:

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I also can't seem to change the title of the thread. I guess I need the proper privileges. ;.;

[Jinx]

I saw this a couple months ago, and I'm pretty sure it's a hoax.

[The Man]

Here (http://io9.com/the-doctor-who-50th-anniversary-trailer-is-an-amazing-t-860043589)'s a description of the trailer shown at Comic-Con. The rather wide disparities would indeed suggest the previous trailer to be a hoax, although it's a very impressive one.

The BBC claims they are going to release the official trailer on their site "soon", whatever that means (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006q2x0).

In other news, Moffat says "I've lied my ass off" (http://www.digitalspy.com/british-tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a500248/doctor-who-steven-moffat-ive-lied-my-arse-off-about-50th.html) about the 50th anniversary special. But you should know that already. Rule One: Moffat lies.

In line with that, the Radio Times is claiming (http://scifibulletin.com/2013/07/23/radio-times-claims-classic-doctor-in-50th-anniversary-special/) that one of the classic Doctors will be appearing in the 50th.

[Jinx]

Oh, yeah. It's totally impressive and cool. I just don't think it's real. ;)

[Lonely Paper Star]

Baw, I guess I'm not Whovian enough. ;.;

[Agent Proto]

A little late with that. I remember posting that awhile ago knowing it was fake. Allons-y~!

[Jinx]

Baw, I guess I'm not Whovian enough. ;.;

Don't let anyone tell you you're not a Whovian. Being a Whovian isn't about the legalism. It's about the love of our Lord and Saviour the Doctor. He knows you make mistakes, but he'll always be there to love you, show you why you're unique, and forgive and help you.

:squeeze:

[The Man]

Three audition pieces for Twelve (http://observationdeck.io9.com/three-audition-pieces-for-the-12th-doctor-901728867).

I have to confess I read all of these in Matt Smith's voice, but then, I'm probably not the only one. :monster:

[Jinx]

I did too. xD

[NorthernChaosGod]

I read them in Tennant's voice. :p

[Agent Proto]

I read them in my own voice. :|

[NorthernChaosGod]

Proto for the next Doctor.

[CimminyCricket]

I read this in Matt Smith's voice, I tried so hard to read it in another voice, I swear I did. I even tried to read it in Snape's voice, but it didn't work.

[charliepanayi]

They're going to announce the new Doctor on Sunday (7pm UK time).

[Jinx]

SERIOUSLY

OMG

OMG

OMG

SOMEONE GET ME A TOWEL I JUST PEED

[CimminyCricket]

I'm super excited. I have to tell Jasmin.

[Jinx]

What do you want to bet they admit Matt Smith and it's all just an elaborate troll?








Wishful thinking. :(

[CimminyCricket]

We can dream.

[Agent Proto]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/bc4aa2b3bf7087b7097e06dd5961a8b1/tumblr_mqvkscNIsa1qijoeyo1_500.jpg

They found him. jk

[charliepanayi]

And it's Peter Capaldi. A good choice.

[Cuchulainn]

The press here kinda released it was peter capaldi last week. bets were slashed. decent choice

[Formalhaut]

Yeah: BBC News - Peter Capaldi revealed as Doctor Who's new lead (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-23570354)

A good choice in my opinion. I imagine based on his earlier works (particularly the Thick of It) that his style of Doctoring would be rather sarcastic. I can't wait to see how he will do actually.

[Jinx]

Okay, so, he was Caecilius in The Fires of Pompeii! Which means we've/we'll have two actors who were one-off characters in that show go on to be extremely important characters in the series!

He was also Sid's dad on Skins. I'm really happy with this choice. I think he'll be great. :)

[NorthernChaosGod]

Okay, so, he was Caecilius in The Fires of Pompeii! Which means we've/we'll have two actors who were one-off characters in that show go on to be extremely important characters in the series!

He was also Sid's dad on Skins. I'm really happy with this choice. I think he'll be great. :)

I thought I recognized him. Can't wait to see how his Doctor acts.

[Calliope]

I'd never heard of this guy but I lolled at his IMDB page:

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[NorthernChaosGod]

Okay, so, he was Caecilius in The Fires of Pompeii! Which means we've/we'll have two actors who were one-off characters in that show go on to be extremely important characters in the series!
Isn't it three?

Freema Agyeman was in Army of Ghosts and apparently Karen Gillan was also in the Pompeii episode(s).

[Jinx]

Okay, so, he was Caecilius in The Fires of Pompeii! Which means we've/we'll have two actors who were one-off characters in that show go on to be extremely important characters in the series!
Isn't it three?

Freema Agyeman was in Army of Ghosts and apparently Karen Gillan was also in the Pompeii episode(s).

When I said "in that show" I meant "in that episode."

[Quindiana Jones]

OH FUCK YES PETER CAPALDI.

[Lonely Paper Star]

I'M SO EXCITED.


*Also, how come I can't change the thread title?? Do I need special privileges?

[Jinx]

You have to be staff to change a thread title.

[Lonely Paper Star]

Bawwww.

Anyway, if you like putting lasers in things, here you go:

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[The Man]

Judging from Neverwhere and Children of Earth, I'm sure Capaldi will do superbly in the role.

It's also worth pointing out, since a number of people elsewhere have been complaining about it, that having an actor who plays a Time Lord having appeared in the series previously is not unprecedented; Lalla Ward played Princess Astra before Romana regenerated using her appearance, and Colin Baker appeared in one of Peter Davison's serials.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/1098051_635560406476866_1787785503_n.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQ2YQK6CIAMtvFn.jpg

For those that missed it, his introduction video:

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Rule One: The Doctor lies.

Rule Two:

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New Doctor to travel back in time and invent the word "fuck" (http://bit.ly/1cqZu5L)

[Jiro]

I'm not much of a Whovian but the haters need to stfu because Peter Capaldi is brilliant.

[The Man]

Google Maps Easter Egg Lets You Explore The TARDIS | TechCrunch (http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/13/google-maps-doctor-who-tardis-easter-egg/)

[CimminyCricket]

Google Maps Easter Egg Lets You Explore The TARDIS | TechCrunch (http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/13/google-maps-doctor-who-tardis-easter-egg/)
That is fantastic! I'm exploring a bigger box inside a smaller box!

[Lonely Paper Star]

Thank you whoever finally changed the thread title. LOL

[The Man]

haha, who do I have to thank for the thread title change? I got a chuckle out of that

[Calliope]

Me too, Timelord.

[Psychotic]

:greenie:

[Agent Proto]

Google Maps Easter Egg Lets You Explore The TARDIS | TechCrunch (http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/13/google-maps-doctor-who-tardis-easter-egg/)

Whoa, that's really cool. I feel like a real time lord now, except that I'm not.

[Quindiana Jones]

When can I see Peter Capaldi as The Doctor, god damnit?! I WANT IT NOW.

[The Man]

You and me both. However I also just keep imagining Malcolm Tucker as the Doctor which is great in its own way.

[The Man]

Great news for fans of Classic Who: The BBC has confirmed that some missing episodes have been located (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24448063). I don't believe they've given a number yet.

[The Man]

Trailer this Saturday.

http://i40.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:/2sb1gdf.png

[Jinx]

i need a clean pair of pants now, thanks freed

[The Man]

You're completely welcome :monster:

[Psychotic]

You scrubs can't even get BBC One. :smug:

I just got back from the Doctor Who experience in Cardiff. I went to it when it was in London, but that was right after the first episode with the Astronaut/Silence so they've added a fuckton more costumes and props now. It's amazing. Maybe pics. If you're good.

[Agent Proto]

You scrubs can't even get BBC One. :smug:

http://31.media.tumblr.com/c476b2769e63d76a4687dea3e64e8c26/tumblr_mvwyi5Yi5l1s051cvo1_500.png

We have the Internet!

[Jinx]

Yeah, but YouTube.

[The Man]

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[Jinx]

So it looks as if John Hurt is the incarnation that destroyed Gallifrey after all.

[The Man]

oh, one more

50th Anniversary Special Trailer | Videos | Doctor Who | BBC America (http://www.bbcamerica.com/doctor-who/videos/50th-anniversary-special-trailer/)

[Psychotic]

So it looks as if John Hurt is the incarnation that destroyed Gallifrey after all.Indeed. I do like the design and art styles of Gallifrey so this is exciting.

At the DWE, the Time Lord costumes were among my favourite. Yeah, they're ridiculous, but up close the level of detail on them is incredible.

[Shauna]

I hear that some places around the UK are screening Doctor Who in cinemas in 3D! Anyone looking into doing this, I know my family are!

[Jinx]

OH MAN, LUCKY :(

And yeah, Gallifrey is seriously beautiful. They have silly hats, but their coloring for costumes and designs are cool!

[Psychotic]

The Night of the Doctor: A Mini Episode - Doctor Who: The Day of the Doctor Prequel - BBC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo)

OH MY FUCKING GOD

AHHHH

AHHHHHH

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!

8TH DOCTOR

PAUL MC FUCKING GANN

[Jiro]

they're screening the 50th in cinemas here too. Like, at bullshit o'clock. Crazy.

[Electroshock Therapy]

I just about died with happiness. I almost don't care if Day of the Doctor sucks because we got to see McGann again. :D

[Jinx]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeee. While it's not showing in theatres all over on Saturday, it will be showing in theatres on Monday for one day IN 3D NO LESS.

Totally going.

[Jinx]

I know the show is being broadcast simultaneously throughout the world. If someone knows what time it's showing in their region (particularly the Brits) can you tell me so I can figure out my time? :3

[Shauna]

7:30pm I believe it is.

[Jinx]

are you in GMT?

[Shauna]

Yes.

[Slothy]

That's weird. It's on at 3:50pm here. That's 2:50 EST.

[Jinx]

Yeah, I think the pre-party is at :30 and the show itself is at :50.

[Shauna]

Perhaps! I'm going by what time I need to be in the cinema at. xD It is a bizarrely late time for Doctor Who.

[Agent Proto]

It looks like there's a 3D showing at the local AMC theatre on Monday at 7:30 PM. While it's not exactly tomorrow, it's good enough for me because I'll get to watch it in glorious 3D! :D

[Jinx]

It looks like there's a 3D showing at the local AMC theatre on Monday at 7:30 PM. While it's not exactly tomorrow, it's good enough for me because I'll get to watch it in glorious 3D! :D

I'm going to see it on Monday in 3D at 7:30. PROTO. :D

[Electroshock Therapy]

I'm not going to be able to see it tomorrow during first airing. :(
Stupid not having cable. Well, actually, even I did have cable, I wouldn't get BBC America unless I had to pay a paycheck per month.

[Scotty_ffgamer]

I'm finally caught up on the show and going to a watch party tomorrow. It should be fun! I don't have any expectations outside of it being a fun watch, really. My interest in the show has kind of been waning this season.

[Jinx]

I don't get to watch it as it airs, either. :( I'll have to torrent it after it shows. That's a huge bummer for me, but it is what it is. I'll just have to avoid Facebook and the forum like the plague until I've seen it.

That being said

HAPPY DAY OF THE DOCTOR, EVERYONE!

[Slothy]

People not being able to see it when it airs makes me sad. Then I remember I'll be watching it in HD when it airs and I feel better. Also have the old PVR set so I can watch it more than once if I want.

[Bunny]

Google has turned their logo into a fun little game for the anniversary.

[Bunny]

Double post cause fuck the police.

Good episode. Didn't like the Star Wars scene, but the rest was pretty solid.

[Psychotic]

Fuck yeah 13 Doctors and fuck yeah Time War. Time War Doctor and his cute little fauxhawk and scarf.

I watched the Three Doctors today and I fucking loved that the 10th (now 11th I guess!) borrowed the 2nd's line of "You redecorated. I don't like it"

Tom Baker scarf and appearance at the end :) And Capaldi!

[Ayen]

This was so freaking awesome O_O I had goosebumps the whole way through.

[The Man]

HOLY SHIT THIS WAS PERFECT. I was expecting a good episode but they exceeded all expectations. I can't think of anything I would have changed. I especially loved Capaldi and Baker showing up (although I honestly had a hunch that both of them would appear before the episode even aired).

[Slothy]

Only thing I would have changed would have been to add an Eccleston cameo after John Hurt regenerated.

[Ayen]

Only thing I would have changed would have been to add an Eccleston cameo after John Hurt regenerated.

They probably would have if they had gotten the actor.

[Slothy]

I know Eccleston would probably not have done it, but I would have loved to see it just the same as long as I'm wish listing.

[Ayen]

For a second I thought we would. I screamed the loudest the whole episode when I saw Nine appear alongside the other Doctors. It was a cruel, cruel tease.

[Jinx]

I thought we would get to see Nine as well, even though he was confirmed NOT to be in it.

YAY GALLIFREY! Seriously, they weren't kidding when they said that the 50th Anniversary was going to change Doctor Who as we knew it. Honestly, I found it to be incredibly predictable, and as soon as Bad Wolf was talking to War Doctor, I knew they'd save Gallifrey in some way. I like though that we're still searching for Gallifrey; it's not tidy in a box quite yet.

And PETER CAPALDI CAMEO. Oh my god, I love Matt, but...my body is ready.

[Shauna]

I wasn't expecting much, as always, and I was pleasantly surprised! I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. :} Seeing it in the cinema was pretty cool, and the 3D was a nice touch. I'm interested to see where they go from here!

[Jinx]

Wait wait wait

So will it be canon that each Doctor after War Doctor gets boosted up one regeneration? Because at the climax when all the Doctors showed up, they said "all thirteen of us" or something like that, and then Capaldi flashed on screen. Or do you think it will just stay the same to make it easier? I'm sure he'll still be Twelve, but boy howdy! That's a little confusing.

[Bunny]

7, 8, 8.5, 9, 10, 11, 12.

[Agent Proto]

Wait wait wait

So will it be canon that each Doctor after War Doctor gets boosted up one regeneration? Because at the climax when all the Doctors showed up, they said "all thirteen of us" or something like that, and then Capaldi flashed on screen. Or do you think it will just stay the same to make it easier? I'm sure he'll still be Twelve, but boy howdy! That's a little confusing.

I'm sure Capaldi's Doctor was just including Hurt's War Doctor as one of them, hence the "All thirteen of us" comment.

[NorthernChaosGod]

The was fucking amazing.

[Madame Adequate]

Yeah that was a pretty god damn great episode of Who.

[sir helix]

Moffat has explained that the numbering won't change, ith is still 11 and capaldi will be 12, hurts doctor won't have a number but is simply war doctor.

[Psychotic]

I swear I briefly saw a flash of Eccleston in Hurt's regeneration. Not that I think they got the actor in, but they certainly had an image of him in the CGI.

Doctor Who The War Doctor John Hurt&#39;s Regeneration - Doctor Who 50th Anniversary - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHnAnBmEbcc)

Definitely around the eyes towards the end of the shot.

[krissy]

yeah me too
pretty sure it was intentional

[krissy]

frick
i hate being caught up
what do i have to do now?
im now LIMITED by time

do they have more pond life specials those were great
i want more pond life

xmas special coming up
"i dont want to go"
i dont want matt to go
but i didnt want david to go either
booooooohohoho
seriously tho sads

[Jinx]

As much as I had fun with the special, the more I really stop and think about things, the less happy I am about it.

[Ayen]

As much as I had fun with the special, the more I really stop and think about things, the less happy I am about it.

That what happens when you think.

[The Man]

One does not simply think about Doctor Who

[Jinx]

I had problems with it while watching it. :p

I mean, I love the show, though. I'm willing to just accept it for what it is.

[Shoden]

Rewatched it about 2 times now on the iplayer. I went to the cinema to see it originally and though I am absolutely anti-3D it worked so well to enhance the episode and add to the experience.
The banter between Tennant's and Smith's Doctors was great, the part where the three doctors discussed the "counting" was great but to me, the absolute highlight and surprise was how good John Hurt's War Doctor was.
He was so much better than Tennant and Smith and his presence was phenomenal. I didn't expect it at all actually.I thought he'd have been written in quite poorly since, I'm not a big fan of Moffat and his glorified fanfiction plotlines but wow.
"NO MORE"

[Jinx]

Yeah, the plot was shakey at best. And a friend of mine and I are currently discussing it, and he also called it fan-fiction. xD

But I can't deny that I loved the Doctors together. Ten and Eleven, hubba hubba, fap fap. ;)

[Scotty_ffgamer]

I didn't think it was that shaky, at least it was no more shaky than his usual stuff. The only point that really bothers me for some reason is that John Hurt/Tennant/everyone before 11 is going to forget the events that happened in this episode. That makes sense because otherwise it would make no sense for none of the doctors to ever bring up such a big event in their lives. My thinking is that everything with those events, including the memories of them, have been time locked. This stuff had happened all along, The Doctor just sort of didn't remember that he didn't cause the death of all of his people. If that's the case, though, 11 shouldn't be able to remember either.

I'm guessing the actual explanation is that timey-wimey stuff happened and there is no explanation. Everyone except 11 forgot what happened because time and space is weird.

[Ayen]

Moffat fanfic plots?

No wonder my own DW fanfics invoke responses like, "This makes me want to watch Doctor Who more than Doctor Who" and "You Doctor Who better than Steven Moffat." That won't do. That won't do at all.

[The Man]

I got the impression that Eleven remembers because he was chronologically the last Doctor involved in the events of the episode. Well, apart from Capaldi's brief cameo, but Twelve wasn't involved in coming up with the plot to save Gallifrey.

[Jinx]

"If you can't handle me at my Steven Moffat, you sure as hell don't deserve me at my Russell T. Davies."

And the plot was shakey because as Ten said IN THE SPECIAL, it shouldn't even be possible for them to be on Gallifrey because it's time locked and its destruction is a fixed point in time. I mean, at least once, if not more than once, a companion has asked him why he didn't just go back in time and save Gallifrey, and he's said it's impossible for him to even be there. The premise of the whole special was just like, wtf. And the fact that they address it IN THE SPECIAL does not make it any better.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I love Doctor Who, and I loved the special. I'm seeing in theatres in 3D tonight. But I can see where there's a ton of problems with it. And while the Doctor won't lose the characterization he already had, him being the last Time Lord was one of the reason he was such an interesting and tragic figure.

[Slothy]

You realize they were able to be there due to some intervention from the Moment right? The events are time locked and without the Moment letting them go back to that point they couldn't be there.

It's not like visiting time locked events never happened before. We know Dalek Caan did it so it's not impossible. Just really, really difficult.

[Ayen]

Eleven said something after Ten that explained how they did it. I need to rewatch that part again because he kinda mumbles.

I see Vivi covered it already.

Frankly, I'm glad they did this and it was inevitable someone in charge of the show would at some point. I didn't like that RTD killed them all off and hated the tease that they would be returning in the End of Time. Hopefully now we see the return of some Time Lords and possibly the introduction of some new ones. The only thing that bothered me was seeing more than one TARDIS side by side because doing so is supposed to be dangerous. But that's nitpicking.

[Psychotic]

I still liked the episode a whole bunch. But the main thing itself... well look to be honest with you the Time War has always made me :colbert: because the Doctor sacrificed everything - his home, all those children, his family - to stop the Daleks and then they still show up every five god damn minutes to start some new ruckus. What the hell was the point of the sacrifice? I paid the ultimate price to eliminate the Daleks... oh wait never mind here they are! They have huge hordes and the Emperor and even Davros still knocking about afterwards! Those rascals - boy is my face red at the whole genocide thing! No wonder 10 and 11 were happy to change the decision - they now know they didn't smurfing gain anything by using the Moment to begin with.

Still in contrast to that the little bit of jiggery pokery he pulled was just to wipe out the Dalek fleet. What about these fine-sounding gentlemen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9OWAAsSXU0) who will now be delivering an unending torrent of naughty things? They're the one reason to use the Moment (that and Rassilon and the boys being assholes I guess) and yet they're the one thing he didn't even take out!

Also every episode I've seen of the original Doctor Who has the Time Lords being utterly monumental cocks. Seriously. Colossal wankstains the lot of them. Better off without them :colbert:

[Scotty_ffgamer]

I forgot about that description of the Time War. I can only imagine that what The Doctor did was ensure that those things will still exist. Granted, they exist in a sort of alternate universe where they sent Gallifrey. Speaking of which, I hope the 50th stuff doesn't end up being a foreshadowing of Rose actually returning in that the alternate universe Gallifrey was sent to is the one Rose is in or some other bs. I doubt they'd do that, but the thought entered my mind and I hate it. I think they said it was sent to a pocket universe, which would be different than in alternate universe I guess and make my idea not very possible.

The way I see it, 10 and 11 appearing at the War Doctor's side and then their plan to no longer make Gallifrey burn always happened. Them doing that was actually the fixed point in time. That's why 10 and 11 appear in that moment despite the impossible odds. They have to. He doesn't remember that happening, though. Due to that, he assumes he went through with the plan. The Doctor sent Gallifrey to an alternate universe and also managed to time lock it. That way it syncs up with the events in the show. That's why the Daleks really keep coming back. Part of why I think this is that you already have the precedent in the show of the Doctor doing things because he already saw himself do it in Series 6. There are still plenty of holes in this thinking, but I do kind of think this might be part of what they were going for.

[Jinx]

48560

i'm ready
i'm ready
i'm ready edy edy

[Slothy]

You know Psy, I actually liked the Daleks coming back after the Time War. I guess it makes more sense how some survived now, but I liked the idea that The Doctor (thought he) killed his entire race to try and stop them both, but his worst enemy survived and his whole race was still gone. That'd have to tear a man up inside. /smug

[Shoden]

48560

i'm ready
i'm ready
i'm ready edy edy

Enjoy!! The cinema experience for it will probably blow your mind so do remember to pick up pieces of exploded brain when its done! :p

[Jinx]

Okay, okay. Watching it for the second time after a couple of days cleared up all/most of the questions and issues I had. I love it again. :3

[Jessweeee♪]

Yeah, the plot was shakey at best. And a friend of mine and I are currently discussing it, and he also called it fan-fiction. xD

I've only been watching from Christopher Eccleston on, and I loved it, but there was something off about it I couldn't quite put my finger on. Then I got to the part where Rose's plot is tied up with that other Doctor and I finally understood. It felt like a highly revered fan fiction. A really fun ride but also kind of campy. I do love it though c:

Rose is my favorite companion and I miss Christopher Eccleston :(

[Slothy]

When is Doctor Who not kind of campy? It's part of it's charm I says.

[Jinx]

Where are you in the show, Jess? I just started a re--watch last night.

And oh yeah, the show is hella camp. That's why it's so great. It knows its cheesy and doesn't give a fuck.

[Jessweeee♪]

I'm caught up now, I just haven't seen anything pre-2005 yet o:

[Psychotic]

Doctor Who is serious business damnit!

The older episodes need to be taken with a pinch of salt. There are episodes where nothing at all happens and the special effects... Well, I saw some flying saucers on strings in an un ironic way!

[Madame Adequate]

Of course the anniversary show was fanfic! It wasn't meant to be a super spooky or affecting episode or anything, it was meant to be a fun zany romp! Like I'm usually disappointed by Who because it could be so much more than it is, but this is one episode where it's perfectly acceptable to be just pure fan appealing silliness.

Also the Doctor thought he couldn't go to Gallifrey because he lost all memory of what happened in this episode. As far as he knew it was destroyed, but it never was. It's not that it was previously destroyed but saved in this episode, it was never destroyed in the first place, we and the Doctor just never knew that.

[Jinx]

Yeah, I said that re-watching it answered the questions and issues I had before. :p

[Psychotic]

I don't even get this "fanfic" thing people keep throwing around, and I don't get how anyone prefers Davies to Moffat.

[Ayen]

I don't even get this "fanfic" thing people keep throwing around, and I don't get how anyone prefers Davies to Moffat.

THANK YOU!

[Jinx]

Dude, Russell T. Davies over Steven Moffat any day, bro.

[Psychotic]

Dude, Russell T. Davies over Steven Moffat any day, bro.The Doctor becomes Dobby then is literally Jesus, Rose gets a Doctor shaped dildo and Daleks spinning around going "Waaaaa!".

I will say I prefer the magical reset button every week to Moffat's POWER OF LOVE but that's it.

[Jinx]

Well, series 3 in general just needs to be forgotten.

[Ayen]

Usually when I talk to a person that says they prefer RTD, the moment they begin to list their favorite episodes it's all episodes that were written by Moffat.
When I talk to a fan of the classic series they want to set RTD and all his creations on fire with a blowtorch.
When I talk to British fans they prefer Moffat original presentation of Doctor Who that was present in Series 5 and 6 and found 7 to be too linear.
When I talk to American fans they want to set Moffat and all his creations on fire with a blowtorch.

Maybe I should stop talking to violent people...

Edit: B-but, I liked Series 3. The Master was cooler and smarter than the Doctor to the point the Doctor had to become Jesus to win.

[Psychotic]

Well, series 3 in general just needs to be forgotten.No it doesn't! There were a few dire ones like Gridlock and 42, yes, but there were gems too. Blink was of course great, but I also liked the Dalek Evolution story and the Family of Blood. And the Master was divine in those three episodes, I don't even care - I loved comedy Master as opposed to SERIOUS BUSINESS HERE IS MY EVIL BEARD Master.

But nothing compares to Season 5. With the exception of the Silurian episodes which were meh, every single other one knocked it out of the park imho.

Credit where credit is due though, RTD did write some belters - The Waters of Mars remains one of my absolute favourites.
Usually when I talk to a person that says they prefer RTD, the moment they begin to list their favorite episodes it's all episodes that were written by Moffat.Seriously. Empty Child, Girl in the Fireplace, Blink and the Library were all the highlights of their respective seasons.

[Jinx]

Okay, yeah, Blink. And holy shit, dude, Gridlock is one of my favorite episodes ever. I think it's because it was the very first DW episode I ever saw.

[Psychotic]

:stare:

The first Doctor Who I ever saw was the 90's TV movie with Paul McGann as the 8th Doctor which American TV did its level best to ruin. This is also why Americans don't get to have opinions on Doctor Who :colbert:

[Ayen]

The first Doctor Who I sat down to watch in full was the Eleventh Hour. I ended up watching Series 5, 6, and 7 Part-1 in the next couple of days.

Best ride of my life. A Good Man goes to War is still my favorite episode. It was the first time in the longest time a TV show has actually turned on my brain and made me think, piecing together clues and coming to a solution while I sat there and watched. And I'm sorry, but while I do enjoy the first couple serials I watched later under RTD I never got that same level of experience.

[Psychotic]

Doctor Who The Movie Part 1 - Video Dailymotion (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x86kfa_doctor-who-the-movie-part-1_news)

HERE KIDS GO WILD - Most likely the newest Doctor Who episode that you haven't seen!

You get to see the entirety of McGann's run (until the Night of the Doctor video from this month!) and a very old Seventh Doctor (Radagast in the Hobbit!) too... although the American fellows wanted Tom Baker - yes, 4 to regenerate into 8 - because that's who the American audience would recognise as the Doctor. The majority of it is cringeworthy... though McGann is brilliant and saves it. Oh, and it's possibly my favourite rendition of the main theme.

I guess my point is that nobody can complain about Moffat or RTD ever again.

[Shauna]

I feel that Moffat is good at writing the one off stories, and yes, a number of the good ones during Davies run were written by Moffat. Davies wrote interesting overarching stories, something that I don't think I've been too enamoured with during Moffat's time as showrunner. His big stories are just... not interesting to me at all.

So there we go. My two cents.

[Jinx]

I feel that Moffat is good at writing the one off stories, and yes, a number of the good ones during Davies run were written by Moffat. Davies wrote interesting overarching stories, something that I don't think I've been too enamoured with during Moffat's time as showrunner. His big stories are just... not interesting to me at all.

So there we go. My two cents.

This is more or less how I feel about things. I think Moffat is a great writer both from his individual episodes and other series I've seen him write. But I just don't think his running stories are great.

I mean, I just love the direction RTD took things. For instance, in Turn Left when Donna tells the Doctor that the blonde girl told him to tell him two words, and she says "Bad Wolf" and he runs outside and just everything is Bad Wolf...I was literally screaming, I was so excited.

I will give Moffat credit with Amy Pond. When I watched the first episode of series 5, and I KNEW that the Doctor came back for Little Amy in the morning, because I heard the TARDIS wooshing. I think I even pointed that out you, Psy, and how I was confused and angry by that...and then come to find out, it's the last scene of the Ponds run. I mean, I thought that was brilliant, and the amount of planning that had to go into two and a half seasons before that moment.