Doctor Who: Season 10

[Slothy]

:stare:

The first Doctor Who I ever saw was the 90's TV movie with Paul McGann as the 8th Doctor which American TV did its level best to ruin. This is also why Americans don't get to have opinions on Doctor Who :colbert:

Luckily Canadians still get to have opinions on Doctor Who, especially since we helped pay for series 2 and 3.

[Jinx]

Speaking of Classic Who, I'd really like to work my way back and see every episode that's available. Sadly Netflix isn't really reliable with their selection of Classic Who, and there are huge gaps (that have nothing to do with certain episodes being available/in good condition).

[Ayen]

What overarching stories, exactly? Bad Wolf ended up being just one big deus ex machina because there was a Dalek fleet that needed destroying and Torchwood was overshadowed by Daleks and Cybermen owning each other. I'll give you serials 3 and 4 but here's the whole problem I have with RTD, he'd back himself into a corner and then have to pull something out of his backside to keep everybody from dying like they would have otherwise. To each his own, though. I just feel so lonely in my Moffat love some times T_T

[Jinx]

I just think Moffat has spent too much time wanking over River Song, and now Clara.

[Shauna]

Ugh River Song. Any time she showed up I just felt like there was a big banner being waved around with "RIVER SONG IS THE GREATEST DO YOU LOVE HER AS MUCH AS I DO YET LOOOOOOOVEEEEEEE HEEEEEEEEER" on it. ._. I thought she was pretty cool, no need to smother me with her "awesomeness".

[Jinx]

I love River Song, but I felt it got to be a bit ridiculous. Same with Clara, I really liked her, despite the fact she hasn't really been given much characterization outside of being the Impossible Girl. But when I found out that she has basically saved the Doctor's life every time he's been in trouble, and she's been there for every major decision it's just like, ugh. Really?

[Psychotic]

Yep agree with the River thing.

[Ayen]

So he blunders with two characters and he's a worse showrunner than Davies?

I don't get it.

[Jinx]

It's not about blundering with two characters. It's about making these characters the focus of the show.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. :)

[Shauna]

It is all personal preference in the end.

I just haven't been hugely excited about Doctor Who for a while now, and I can say that I haven't been enjoying it as much since Moffat took over. I mean, it's still alright, but I don't eagerly await every Saturday evening anymore, and I often forget that Doctor Who is even a thing. :p

This past episode was a surprise in that I really did thoroughly enjoy it, and it did make me a little bit excited to see where we're going next, and this is the first time in years that I've felt this way about Doctor Who. :p

[Psychotic]

Say what you want, but at least Moffat's idea of a finale isn't "thousands of Daleks, have fun!" - the first and last Moffat finales especially have been great.

[Jinx]

Honestly, I thought the Pandorica stuff was hella boring. They make it sound like it's some big deal, but it's not. River says something about the opening of the Pandorica, and the Doctor gets super scared, and then it just falls completely flat.

The Silence and River Song being used as a weapon was just weird. Like, what was the point? Why?

The mid-season finale for season 7 was awesome. I think the first half of season seven was probably the best collection of episodes in the entire series. Each one was brilliant. The second half I thought was eh, but that was mostly because of the ending of the season when you find out that Clara is basically more important than the Doctor.

[Jinx]

I think probably the funniest thing is, though, is that Matt Smith is My Doctor. But I would've loved to see what he could've done with some other plots.

[The Man]

Ok, this headcanon (http://groupthink.jezebel.com/doctor-who-headcanon-spoilers-for-the-50th-1471353766) is just fucking brilliant.

[Ayen]

That is brilliant.

[krissy]

that's what i thought initially when i saw her during the 50th
especially because her eyes went shiny
why would the moment pick her in particular right, it had to be her doing
but then the moment started talking crap about not getting past and future proper and i figured it wasn't really relevant because the box itself doesn't really care who its portraying? i dunno

[Madame Adequate]

Amy and Rory and Clara are infinitely better than Donna though. Martha and Rose are inbetween.

Plus Eleventh Doctor Best Doctor. Ninth was a legend as well, wish he'd have been in this.

I think the problem with Who trying to do long arcs about how scurry the Pandorica opening is and stuff is that it's just not a show where the structure works. It's got too close an adherence to the "monster of the week" and having the episodes be self-contained for a larger arc to fit in well. So they build things up over a season with just teasing, and then how much can you actually do with one or at most two episodes of technobabble and zaniness?

[krissy]

whaaat the pandorica not being awesome? come oooon

it has the best one liner in all of the show

"Okay, kid. This is where it gets complicated."

and the time manupilation in that one is brilliant

even if the ending is a deus ex machina

and i really loved the 'I AM TALKING' scene of the doc

"I. AM. TALKING!" - Doctor Who - BBC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ecycHAZtaM)

stylistically speaking the two pandorica episodes were my favorite pieces of matt smith fancy-free adventure

[Psychotic]

I thought the Pandorica episode was fantastic. The Pandorica itself isn't important - it was what was (potentially) inside of it. And the fact that it wasn't important in the end is precisely why it was such a great episode.
There was a goblin, or a... trickster. Or a warrior. A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or... reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Think of the fear that went into making this box. What could inspire that level of fear? Hello, you. Have we met? And you're wondering, what's inside? The Master? Satan again? Omega? What the hell is this terrifying new foe the Doctor must face? This is the finale, so it's going to be smurfing good.

And then you have THAT speech and you're like, smurf yeah, it's The Doctor! He'll smurf your trout up! And then when the truth is revealed... you are the monster, Doctor. Wh... oh my god. They're right. RTD promoted The Doctor to a godlike figure in his run (The Jesus incident, telling the Vashta Narada to simply "look me up" etc.) and Moffat carried on with that theme in the 11th Hour. I'm The Doctor, I am a God, smurfing fear me. Well... they do. And that's the theme of the 11th Doctor for me and it's brilliant. It just is.

[Jinx]

I think that's a pretty good head canon. It makes sense and isn't too conspiracy theory.

[Shoden]

Moffat tries to fit as much as he can into one big, overlapping storyline and he doesn't always manage to deliver the way he intended. Its better than drooling over the Daleks 24/7 like Davies' did but tbf some of HIS storylines were miles better than the majority of the things Moffat has thrown out. End of Time. COME ON GUYS, MASTER RACE!
I don't really HATE Moffat but rather I think he's just better at shorter, one offs. Have to say though some of the things he has dished out are great. The Pandorica and Trenzalore. I'm looking forward to the Christmas special just to see how it ends.
Moffat is a king of suspense, he's frustrating in how he delivers the story but in a way, that has me personally wanting to see more from him, what he's got planned. "Just get on with it" I suppose.

[Psychotic]

End of Time. COME ON GUYS, MASTER RACE!Cactus people.

[Ayen]

Thanks for reminding me the only bit I liked about End of Time aside from Matt Smith and Bernard Cribbins, John Simm in a dress. Sorry, I have issues with that two parter that one day I'll probably make a review about in riot gear as a legion of screaming fan girls knock down my door like a Black Friday sale.

[Agent Proto]

Yes he was. He appeared after the regeneration at the end.

[Quindiana Jones]

I don't think End of Time should count, nor any episode with Bernard Cribbins. What an utterly magnificent human being.

[krissy]

just watched the Silence in the Library eps from s4
after watching all of rivers story before these episodes are so much more meaningful and heartbreaking and everything makes so much more sense

i recommend doing it
s4e8
s4e9
bawled like twice
grown ass man

[The Man]

Yeah, that pair of episodes is utterly devastating. Moffat has his reputation as the destroyer of dreams for a good reason.

Also, some of you are going to like TeeFury's design today.

[Jinx]

Tee Fury's design?

[Ayen]

Tee Fury's design?

One Shirt A Day - Cheap 24 Hour Limited Edition TShirt Daily | TeeFury (http://www.teefury.com/)

[Jinx]

Oh man. I had to get one for Christmastime wear! :D I also got the Doctor Who Theatre Experience tshirt off of BBCA.com. I'm slowly building up my Whowear.

[The Man]

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[Agent Proto]

AWWWWWESSOMMMME!!!!


Finally regeneration time!! I was expecting that in the 50th Anniversary episode though.... :(

[The Man]

...But... It'd been announced that the Christmas episode would be the one in which Matt Smith regenerated. Not sure why you'd have expected it in the 50th. Moffat lies, yes, but he doesn't lie that much :monster:

In other news I'm glad we're finally seeing the Silence again.

[Slothy]

Yes, things have been a bit to quiet (pun definitely intended) on that front lately. About time one of the best monsters since the Weeping Angels came back.

[blackmage_nuke]

As much as I liked John Hurt and the 50th anniversary it was a shame that a whole regeneration was wasted on a movie. Here I was hoping the series would stop after the 12th lifetime and be picked up again in twenty years when our story telling and technology has changed and make us reflect on the times and shit like everyone from the 80's gets to

[Slothy]

It's not like Time Lords haven't gotten extra regenerations before.

[Ayen]

Here I was hoping the series would stop after the 12th lifetime and be picked up again in twenty years when our story telling and technology has changed and make us reflect on the times and trout like everyone from the 80's gets to

Yeah, that's not going to happen. Doctor Who is BBC's most successful brand at the moment, they're not taking it off the air any time soon throwaway line in the 70's or not.

[Psychotic]

"ALL Thirteen of us." ;)

On the other hand, they'll address it somehow. Not to mention Tennant wasted a regeneration to make a Doctor-shaped dildo for Rose.

[The Man]

The very serial that introduced the regeneration limit (The Deadly Assassin iirc) also revealed that there are ways to get extra regeneration cycles, as The Master was given one in the episode. Doctor Who definitely isn't going anywhere.

Moffat has said The Time of the Doctor will end on a cliffhanger though. Of course, Moffat is well known for lying about his shows so who knows what will happen.

[Ayen]

"ALL Thirteen of us." ;)

On the other hand, they'll address it somehow. Not to mention Tennant wasted a regeneration to make a Doctor-shaped dildo for Rose.

Is that really being counted as a regeneration or is it still just fan speculation?

[Psychotic]

I'd have to watch it again but I was under the impression that it was legit.

I think it was a really bad cliffhanger and has been swept under the carpet. National newspapers were all going mad with speculation about which actor would take over and were none too impressed they'd been trolled!

[Ayen]

I didn't think they'd count it, then again before the 50th I didn't think John Hurt would really be a secret incarnation between Eight and Nine and instead was a future incarnation for a butt load of reasons that made sense at the time but Moffat was all, "Smurf common sense!"

[The Man]

Is that really being counted as a regeneration or is it still just fan speculation?According to Moffat, it is, but as I mentioned in my previous post, Moffat is a notorious liar, so who knows.

[Ayen]

Well, I can see one reason how it would be true.

Moffat REALLY wants to get to the Valeyard

[The Man]

That's quite likely one reason for it, yes. There's also the fact that it leaves the opportunity for a tremendous cliffhanger about the Doctor's regeneration limit that is probably going to have everyone tearing their hair out à la Reichenbach Fall.

[blackmage_nuke]

Does anyone know who the actor was who got the close up eye shot when the timelord said "Not twelve! Thirteen of them"

Because to me it looked like Hugh Laurie

[Ayen]

Does anyone know who the actor was who got the close up eye shot when the timelord said "Not twelve! Thirteen of them"

Because to me it looked like Hugh Laurie

That's Peter Capaldi. He was announced as the Twelfth Doctor earlier this year. The 50th was already filmed before then so they probably added him in during editing.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I was under the impression the regeneration limit was something of a self-imposed limit. River giving The Doctor her regenerations probably helped too though.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I watched The Day of the Doctor tonight. It was really good!

I've never sat and watched an episode of Doctor Who before aside from catching a bit when flipping through channels, so this was pretty much my first experience with the show. Of course, due to its popularity and how much I saw of it here on the forums, I understood the basics. I knew Tennant came before Smith and what not so the basic concepts and time travel aspect of it didn't go over my head.

I want to get in to this show. The only thing that puts me off, honestly, is the aliens. The pink tentacle touting aliens. Is there a lot of that in the show? My main enjoyment with this movie was the Doctors interaction with each other as well as other people, so if there's plenty of that I'd consider watching more. Is alien and human interaction in the show 50/50? Or is it more one than the other?

[The Man]

There's generally an alien threat in most episodes but the emphasis is definitely on the interaction between the humanoid characters. It's worth remembering, however, that the Doctor himself is an alien; he just happens to be a humanoid one. (Although, as he says, "[humans] look Time Lord"; the Time Lords were around first).

[Jinx]

Yeah, there's an alien every week (more or less, a lot of them are recurring). Some of them are incredibly campy like the ones you saw in the 50th Special, and some are seriously majorly cool.

[Ayen]

The only thing that puts me off, honestly, is the aliens.

Get out.

Just kidding ^_^ (DIE IN A FIRE!) Dammit, other me, be cool. (YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED AND THEN YOU WILL BE UPGRADED!) That doesn't even make sense. (I HOPE YOU BLINK!) I'm going on the naughty list at this rate :mad:

[Jinx]

No, I'll give LWL credit here. The Zygons are kind of lame, and you can tell they're a monster of another era.

Honestly, when it comes to Doctor Who, the camp is part of its charm. And really, the story is less about "we have to beat bad guy aliens" and more about the relationships, character growths, and parallels to our own lives and experiences that makes it so beloved.

[Ayen]

I'm not disagreeing I'm just playing which I thought would have been obvious after the lame threats and making fun of said lame threats.

Now it's not funny anymore because I had to explain it :colbert:

[The Man]

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Most likely this is going to address the twelve regenerations limit, how he survived Trenzalore and what happened there, what caused the destruction of the TARDIS in The Pandorica Opens and why it was destroyed, what "Silence Will Fall" means and why the Doctor doesn't know what it means, the Doctor's Fear from The God Complex, and likely things I don't know/remember.

Off course, Moffat has also said there will be a cliffhanger so

but then again Moffat lies, so who knows really

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[Ayen]

-sniff-

I'M NOT READY! -runs off in the TARDIS-

[Jinx]

I officially hate Christmas.

[The Man]

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You guys have no idea how much I wish that Sherlock thing was a real thing though :(

[Jessweeee♪]

So I've been watching Torchwood and it's okay but I'm partway through Children of Earth now and Capaldi plays a major character and that's just going to be weird that he's gonna be three people in the Doctor Who universe now.

[Formalhaut]

The Torchwood specials are way inferior to the two T.V series, I reckon. A shame Torchwood is effectively over now though; I quite enjoyed it.

[The Man]

It's not over permanently; it's just on indefinite hiatus.

And I thought Children of Earth was at least as good as the first two series. Still haven't seen Miracle Day though. But yeah, good show and I miss it.

[Formalhaut]

It's not over permanently; it's just on indefinite hiatus.

And I thought Children of Earth was at least as good as the first two series. Still haven't seen Miracle Day though. But yeah, good show and I miss it.

Indefinite hiatus sounds alot like an unofficial dumping if you ask me. It might come back sure, but there aren't any signs of it yet.

As for the specials, Miracle Day wasn't as good. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed both of them, it's just that, I didn't enjoy them as much as the main series. I think as soon as they began killing off most of the main team it sort of got to a stage where you think "where do you go from here?"

[The Man]

Davies has said he intends to make more Torchwood, but he is also a tremendous procrastinator and doesn't know when it'll happen.

I do agree that killing off three fifths of the main cast may not have been in the show's best interest.

[Psychotic]

So I've been watching Torchwood and it's okay but I'm partway through Children of Earth now and Capaldi plays a major character and that's just going to be weird that he's gonna be three people in the Doctor Who universe now.Capaldi Oswin Oswald.

Also Children of Earth ruled, fuck Miracle Day.

[Jinx]

Tomorrow. I can't do it. I just can't. :(

Also, I found out last night that my (now, seeing as today is her birthday) 12-year-old cousin is a Whovian. I already thought she was a pretty swell kid, but now I just love her even more!

[Ayen]

Tomorrow. I can't do it. I just can't. :(

Because what's the point of being happy now if they're just going to be sad later.

The answer is of course because they are going to be sad later.

[Agent Proto]

I hear this episode would be Smith's best performance as the Doctor, and one of the more funnier episodes to date. I don't think he'll go "I don't want to go." and make it seem depressing like Tennant did.

[Ayen]

I don't think he'll go "I don't want to go." and make it seem depressing like Tennant did.

I hope not. That scene was so dragged out I was about ready to yell, "Get on with it!"

[Jinx]

I hear this episode would be Smith's best performance as the Doctor, and one of the more funnier episodes to date. I don't think he'll go "I don't want to go." and make it seem depressing like Tennant did.

It's nice to hear that people think his last episode is so brilliant!

But I don't care how emotional or not on the screen it is. Matt is My Doctor. It's gonna be hard for me, okay? OKAY?

[Jinx]

Dear UK friends--

What time does the Christmas Special air in the UK? :)

[Psychotic]

7:30.

In other words, in four hours and thirteen minutes from this post.

[Jinx]

7:30.

In other words, in four hours and thirteen minutes from this post.


Thank you for being so exact! :)

I just need to know what time I can start looking for torrents, and now I do. :D

[Parker]

It's about to start in a couple minutes and I'm not going to watch it even though I really easily could.

suck it americans

[Skyblade]

Most likely this is going to address the twelve regenerations limit, how he survived Trenzalore and what happened there, what caused the destruction of the TARDIS in The Pandorica Opens and why it was destroyed, what "Silence Will Fall" means and why the Doctor doesn't know what it means, the Doctor's Fear from The God Complex, and likely things I don't know/remember.

I hope not. The rule is that a Time Lord can regenerate twelve times. This means that you can have thirteen different Doctors. Which they have with Peter Capaldi. I would think that the "twelve regeneration limit" would be better addressed when the Doctor is actually on his final regeneration, especially since you could do some strong character work with how he reacts to the oncoming end. If they change that before it becomes critical, then they lose a potential story edge that they would have.

Granted, I don't want it to be something they explain away at the last second, but I'd prefer to see Capaldi's Doctor have to wrestle with his mortality for a time before they do address it.

[The Man]

Most likely this is going to address the twelve regenerations limit, how he survived Trenzalore and what happened there, what caused the destruction of the TARDIS in The Pandorica Opens and why it was destroyed, what "Silence Will Fall" means and why the Doctor doesn't know what it means, the Doctor's Fear from The God Complex, and likely things I don't know/remember.

I hope not. The rule is that a Time Lord can regenerate twelve times. This means that you can have thirteen different Doctors. Which they have with Peter Capaldi. I would think that the "twelve regeneration limit" would be better addressed when the Doctor is actually on his final regeneration, especially since you could do some strong character work with how he reacts to the oncoming end. If they change that before it becomes critical, then they lose a potential story edge that they would have.

Granted, I don't want it to be something they explain away at the last second, but I'd prefer to see Capaldi's Doctor have to wrestle with his mortality for a time before they do address it.

Number one, Capaldi won't be #13 because it's confirmed that the meta-crisis Doctor counts as a regeneration (unless Moffat is lying, which is always a possibility). But more importantly, the twelve regenerations limit was introduced in a serial that also provided the writers with a way out by acknowledging that Time Lords could gain additional regeneration cycles; the Master did precisely this in that story (The Deadly Assassin). So whatever they come up with won't be a retcon because, well, the matter had already been addressed a long time ago.

[Ayen]

You can stop debating now.

Time Lords having only twelve regenerations, confirmed. 10 turning into 10 counted as a regeneration confirmed by The Doctor himself on the episode. The Doctor got a new cycle of regenerations, don't ask me how because I missed that part because I had to grab my dinner but the numbers has been reset.

Eleven went out like a bawse.

[Jinx]

I hate it when people say "Meta-Crisis counts as a regeneration". No. Ten regenerated into himself, and Meta-Crisis came shortly after. They have nothing to do with one another.

[Psychotic]

Not to mention Tennant wasted a regeneration to make a Doctor-shaped dildo for Rose.told u guys :smug:

That was great, though. All those little callbacks to the previous story arcs of the 11th Doctor. Silence Will Fall, the kid waiting for him by the TARDIS as Amy's theme plays, Fishfingers and Custard. A great way to wrap up his story.

As per my tradition of every new Doctor who comes in, I DON'T LIKE YOU MR CAPALDI GO AWAY :colbert:

Bowties will forever be cool.

[Ayen]

My bad, Jinx, you're right.

I only have one question
Do you know how to fly this thing?

[Jinx]

Okay, wait so

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
War Doctor
9
10
10.5
Meta-Crisis
11
12

That would bring us up to fifteen regenerations, if Meta-Crisis (the separate entity unto the Doctor) counts as a regeneration.

And the episode didn't really confirm Meta-Crisis. It confirmed when he re-generated into himself. Hence him being "full of himself".

[Psychotic]

Meta-Crisis is not a regeneration, the regeneration was into himself and Dildo was formed because of the residual regeneration energy in the hand and Donna being Donna. But it's just semantics really, that whole event counts as an official regeneration. Hoo-ray.

And #1 obviously does not count as a regeneration. ;)

[Jinx]

Technically, no. But it was an incarnation! There, happy? :p 14 regeneration, if you count Meta-Crisis.

13 if you don't count him (but still count when Ten regenerated into himself).

Anyways, about the episode:

It wasn't quite as emotional as I wanted to be. I know that might sound weird, but I really wanted tears and blubbering because Matt is my Doctor. I did get rather teary eyed when Amy showed up. THE NAILS. THE PINEAPPLE SKIRT.

[Ayen]

The Doctor finally learned
That if you're going to release massive amount of regenerative energy aim it at an enemy's ship.

I wonder if the actual regeneration being so quick was to go in contrast with Ten's being so long and drawn out and if Karen was there in person...

[Psychotic]

What's this My Doctor business? Is this a Time Crash reference? 8 (AND I ONLY JUST GOT TO SEE HIM REGEN AFTER HOW MANY FUCKING YEARS), 9, 10 and indeed Mr. Smith are all My Doctors and I love them all dearly.

[Jinx]

I love them all, of course.


But Matt

Matt

oh Matt

[Jinx]

Haha, the part where she walks in and he's young again, I was like--

TOTALLY CALLED IT. MATT SMITH ISN'T LEAVING.


and then





















:(

[Ayen]

I didn't cry. What do we say to Steven Moffat?

Not today.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Just watched this. I was starting to get the feels and it was only my second episode!

[Jiro]

Been watching a crap load of Who. Like. A lot. Twenty minutes until the Christmas special airs here. :excited:

[Psychotic]

Let's do our top 11 11th Doctor Episodes!


Vincent and the Doctor
The 11th Hour
The Pandorica Opens/Second Big Bang
A Christmas Carol
A Good Man Goes to War
The Lodger
The Angels Take Manhattan
Rebel Flesh/Almost People
The Crimson Horror
Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone
The Impossible Astronaut/The Day of the Moon


Honourable mentions: The Beast Below, The Rings of Akhaten, Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS, The Snowmen

PS: It helps if you listen to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kSf8w28Fs4) when you make your choices.

Oh smurf it have loads more music because it's all brilliant and will envoke some wicked nostalgia. Not that any of you will click all of these and listen to them all but hey ho, your loss! It's FANTASTI... wrong Doctor.

Doctor Who - Serie 5 Sountrack - A Sad Man / Madman With a Box Extended (2) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xvV-t6G-nY)
Amy's Theme/Amy and Rory/The Life And Death of Amy Pond/You and Me, Amy - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcKnrDu6zec)
Doctor Who Series 7 Disc 1 Track 28 - Together Or Not At All - The Song Of Amy And Rory - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gam8ogWBLk) (this one breaks my heart - it starts off slow but my god)
Doctor Who - The Impossible Girl/Clara's Theme - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVs4SK9OvOU)
Doctor Who Series 5 Soundtrack Disc 2 - 10 A Useful Striker - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSfaQ7My9RQ) :D FOOTBALL

[blackmage_nuke]

Good episode. Didnt like that Tennant regenerating into himself counts as a regeneration though.

Liked that the Silence were priests all along

Liked the sudden snap regeneration

Didnt cry though I could feel the feels

Also confused as to why he didnt release the time lords from the crack

[Shoden]

It was canny As per usual Moffat kinda slips up in the end. It was honestly great, the Doctor's Last Stand.
He KNEW and accepted he was dying. He refused to go down like an emotionally broken wimp. To the end he just improvised as much as he could to keep the stalemate dragging.
What annoyed me though was the use of the crack in the universe. There could have been so much potential for the fact that was supposedly the time lords on the other side waiting for "the name". The church dedicated to silence was fantastic, finally tied up the "silence will fall" thing.
Wasn't meant to be though, about 10 minutes before the end, they gave the Doctor a whole new set of regenerations suddenly out of nowhere because Clara basically asked them. I like Clara but she's becoming too much of a "I win" button, a Deus Ex Machina in the last few stories, it made it seem a bit anti climatic but its Moffat, he cannot write endings.

Now Smith's performance. Jaw droppingly good, I've always seen him as a shadow in Tennant's stride as the Doctor as they were both so similar but he totally surpassed him here. Its such a shame its all over now, I wasn't ready to say goodbye.
I was so close to tearing up. The speech, Amy... "Raggedy man, goodnight" oh lawds, SO MANY FEELS. STOP IT. PLEASE.
Then *poof* Capaldi who I instantly like. Bit sudden but it works.
"I've got new kidneys!"

[blackmage_nuke]

Wasn't meant to be though, about 10 minutes before the end, they gave the Doctor a whole new set of regenerations suddenly out of nowhere because Clara basically asked them. I like Clara but she's becoming too much of a "I win" button, a Deus Ex Machina in the last few stories, it made it seem a bit anti climatic but its Moffat, he cannot write endings.

Personally I think they gave him the regens because he's the only one who can get them out of the other universe. Extra regens have been aquirable since the old series but A little more explanation wouldve been nice yes. Maybe some time in the future it will all be explained by saying "such and such gave up thier regens to you and died".

[The Man]

I enjoyed the episode but it was honestly a bit of an anticlimax after the 50th. I also didn't like that the Weeping Angels barely appeared and felt the Silence's heel face turn could have been better explained (I understood why it happened but it was just sort of there in the episode and didn't have much of an impact on me). Smith's performance was stunning though, and it was a worthy sendoff to his Doctor. Would give the episode about a 7 or 8 out of 10.

Now I'm wondering how the hell I'm going to get to August :/

As for top eleven Eleven episodes, I'll have to think about that.

[Shoden]

Wasn't meant to be though, about 10 minutes before the end, they gave the Doctor a whole new set of regenerations suddenly out of nowhere because Clara basically asked them. I like Clara but she's becoming too much of a "I win" button, a Deus Ex Machina in the last few stories, it made it seem a bit anti climatic but its Moffat, he cannot write endings.

Personally I think they gave him the regens because he's the only one who can get them out of the other universe. Extra regens have been aquirable since the old series but A little more explanation wouldve been nice yes. Maybe some time in the future it will all be explained by saying "such and such gave up thier regens to you and died".

Yeah that was my thought, that's WHY they did it. In exchange for eventually bringing them back into the universe they gave him means to better his chances of doing so.
The whole "Clara asks and they give" though, bah... Its sad... I like Clara too... not just because Jenna Louise Coleman is pretty as hell... totally not.

[Ayen]

Easy.

1.) A Good Man Goes To War
2.) The Eleventh Hour
3.) The Beast Below
4.) The Time Of Angels/Flesh And Stone
5.) The Wedding Of River Song
6.) The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
7.) The Impossible Astronaut/Day Of The Moon
8.) The Snowmen
9.) The Rings Of Akhaten
10.) Vincent And The Doctor
11.) The Time Of The Doctor

And yes, I did listen to the music while writing this.

[Psychotic]

You have good taste, sir! I really wanted a place for The Beast Below in my list but couldn't quite do it.

[Ayen]

Almost had the same problem for Vincent and The Doctor, but then I figured the 50th probably didn't count so...

Also

BTJmAyQMBLs

I'm gonna go cry now.

[Jinx]

1. The Beast Below
2. Vincent and the Doctor
3. A Christmas Carol
4. The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People
5. The Girl Who Waited
6. The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon
7. Asylum of the Daleks
8. The Angels Take Manhatten
9. The Rings of Akhaten
10. The Crimson Horror
11. The Day of the Doctor


These aren't in ranking order; I really can't choose which one I like best. These are just my favorites, and there are certainly other episodes I loved that I left off the list! :D

[NorthernChaosGod]

The feels. :(

[Scotty_ffgamer]

After watching the newest episode last night, I have to say it was pretty enjoyable. My main problem is that there was no real sense of dread or anything for Matt Smith's impending doom. We knew this was his last episode and that Peter Capaldi was next. We never got the feeling that this could possibly be the end. I honestly wish we could have had that suspense of "is this the end? What could be next for Doctor Who?"

Also, I have issues with how the Doctor got new regenerations. For one, it does bother me that Clara has essentially become that "big red button" that can be pressed and all the problems presented to the Doctor are magically fixed. Moreso, I just wish we didn't get the idea that he was given a new cycle of regenerations. I wish we could have had an explanation such as he survives due to River giving up her regenerations, but that he wouldn't really know how much longer he has left. I think it would be interesting to have a Doctor who is actively facing his mortality like what we got a glimpse of with Matt Smith with this episode.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

So do all new Doctors..Not know how to fly the TARDIS? Or is it just Capaldi?

[Ayen]

So do all new Doctors..Not know how to fly the TARDIS? Or is it just Capaldi?

Just Capaldi. A side effect from the new regeneration cycle, I'm guessing.

[Jiro]

I absolutely adored how fucking creepy Capaldi looked. Like man, just suddenly there, and his big bushy brows and intense stare. As a recent watcher of the series I can't say too much else but I really appreciate what I've seen of Matt Smith and I think he did a fucking phenomenal job. Lots of feels in that episode, even shit like the Cyberman head dying and shit. Obviously would've been way way better if we didn't know of Capaldi's existence but whatyagonnado.

A lot of the returning elements felt like they were shoehorned in ineffectively. Like, no need to hit us over the head with stuff: fans of this series are, from what I can tell, pretty fucking savvy. They can tie up loose ends themselves (and some loose ends left are fucking excellent imo). But yeah, I feel like this is a good time to get on the Who train.

[Scotty_ffgamer]

I agree with the shoehorned notion of some of the returning elements. The episode was still a lot of fun despite some of the things that could have made it better. Matt Smith's performance was excellent, and I also got kind of teary-eyed when Handles died.

I'm excited to see what Capaldi will be like.

[The Man]

Things I felt didn't work well were the sudden disappearance of the Weeping Angels (I honestly missed the explanation of why they left, although I have been assured it was in the episode) and the Silence's sudden heel face turn, which was explained in the story but wasn't really given enough time to have an impact.

It's also not clear how the Doctor being given a new regeneration cycle ties in with his "death" on Trenzalore or if this is why Clara and the Great Intelligence could enter his timestream there, but maybe supplemental materials will expand on it.

As for the new regeneration cycle thing feeling cheap, though, the possibility of a regeneration cycle has been present in the series ever since the regeneration limit was first introduced (indeed, it's arguably the whole reason the regeneration limit was introduced in the first place), so the possibility has been there ever since the regeneration limit was a thing.

[krissy]

i hope i'm wrong but it really does sort of feel like a golden age just ended

[Jinx]

I'm re-posting this from Facebook. A dream I had last night!

I had the best Doctor Who dream last night. I know it messes up the timeline presented in The Name of the Doctor, but IDGAF.

So, the premise of the dream was that Eleven was still trying to figure out Clara (the Impossible Girl) and while he's freaked that she keeps showing up as the same, yet different, no one knows exactly what it is that's freaking him out the most. Clara wants to know why he's been acting so strange and melancholy around her (just like in the second half of season seven) and the Doctor explains to her that sometimes when he regenerates, he'll use some of his "old favorites" and regenerate into a previous incarnation of himself (as told to us by the Curator in The Day of the Doctor). He tells Clara that his first incarnation--the First Doctor--had the same face as he has now when he was a young man. He then gives her a picture showing that the wife of the First Doctor was the first Clara, and that's why he's so intent on figuring out who and what she is.

Sorry I just out-wrote you, Steven Moffat!

[Aulayna]

The episode had a lot of flaws, but they are forgiven due to naked Matt Smith. Hot damn.

[krissy]

y'all notice how clara lives in the same apt complex as rose did in season 1?

[Ayen]

Series Eight News (http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headlines/8658-doctor-who-exec-promises-raw-different-direction-in-series-8)

[Bunny]

It was a decent episode. Smith's speech towards the end was pretty good.

The best part was how the wife kept yelling at the tv.

[Psychotic]

y'all notice how clara lives in the same apt complex as rose did in season 1?nah thats just london m8

[blackmage_nuke]

y'all notice how clara lives in the same apt complex as rose did in season 1?

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[Quindiana Jones]

I'm really excited about Capaldi. It's unfortunate, as Jiro said, that this episode was kinda pissed on by the fact that everybody already knew about the new Doctor - they really fucking should have kept that secret, the silly blighters. But god damn, it's Capaldi. I can't wait.

I've wanted an older, hopefully somewhat grumpier, Doctor for a while. I loved... argh, I forget which one, but I loved the Doctor that kept getting bothered by having to save humans. I'm hoping Malcolm Tucker will be less "Oh, humans I love you, oh please I want your Earthticles in and around my mouth". I loved Eccleston, Tennant and Smith to bits, and I'm very confident I'll love Capaldi; I just hope the writers aren't afraid to get their feet a bit wet and their hands a little dirty with him. I'd like to see more of a Doctor who does what's necessary, as I feel this will draw the writers away from their repeated use of miracles and deus ex machina to solve their problems.

AHHEHEHEHEEEE. I can't wait till August. :(

[Psychotic]

On that note, I would've liked to have seen The Master as an anti-hero. I'm specifically thinking of John Simm's incarnation rather than the EVIL MAN WITH DODGY BEARD predecessors. Inspired by the Doctor trying to make him realise it's just the two of them left and there's no need for any of this. Then the two of them go off, travelling the universe, and The Master isn't afraid to solve problems like a badass, and there being conflict between him and The Doctor for the way he does things. The Doctor does The Right Thing, but it's not as damned effective as The Master's solutions. Maybe the Doctor's female companion could find the bad boy attitude sooo dreaaaamy~ too for some added tension.

Not really relevant now that the Time Lords are back now though but ah well.

[Ayen]

I'm really excited about Capaldi. It's unfortunate, as Jiro said, that this episode was kinda pissed on by the fact that everybody already knew about the new Doctor - they really smurfing should have kept that secret, the silly blighters. But god damn, it's Capaldi. I can't wait.

Sadly, I think the whole reason they revealed it when they did was because they couldn't keep it a secret for that long. They already faced one big leak going into the 50th Anniversary concerning the War Doctor, someone somewhere would have spilled the beans before December.

Moffat is already talking about a new raw direction for the show with Series 8 so the Doctor being slightly darker than before might not be far off the mark. Unless he's lying, he does that.

[Jinx]

Not trying to be snotty, but why does everyone constantly say Steven Moffat lies? Everything I've read that he says has turned out being true.

[Ayen]

Not trying to be snotty, but why does everyone constantly say Steven Moffat lies? Everything I've read that he says has turned out being true.

Probably because of all the lying he did during the 50th to keep the secrets from being leaked. Like saying Paul McGann wasn't coming back. He admitted to lying during an interview for TV Guide too. And because rule 1 and it's fun to say.

[The Man]

TV Tropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LyingCreator):

Steven Moffat (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/StevenMoffat) seems to be learning a thing or two from Davies in Doctor Who (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/DoctorWho). He made a statement saying that he wouldn't use monsters that only appeared in the classic series by the time he took over RTD in favor of creating new ones. Then came the trailers. Hey, aren't those Silurians? (Rule one: the Doctor lies. Rule two: River Song lies. Rule zero: Steven Moffat lies.)

In April 2011, prior to the airing of the sixth series, Moffat announced one of the main characters would die — "We're not lying, we're not cheating. One of those four people is going to die." The Doctor proceeded to die in the series opener but was revealed to be a robot duplicate. If you're really, really charitable, he dies briefly in the middle of the series in "Let's Kill Hitler" by poisoning, but gets brought back to life right after.

Rory was also a main character and died too (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JediTruth), though that's not really anything special (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyKilledKenny).


In 2012, he assured everyone that we wouldn't find out anything about Jenna-Louise Coleman (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/JennaLouiseColeman)'s character until Christmas. A week later, on the first of September, Jenna-Louise Coleman prominently showed up in the season premiere, though the only things we would find out about her character in that episode are a lot of questions.


In 2013, Moffat said that "The Day of the Doctor (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/DoctorWho50thASTheDayOfTheDoctor)" would feature no classic series Doctors in the flesh (IE: non-Fake Shemped appearances) because they're too old now. This was designated another lie in retrospect: Tom Baker makes a cameo appearance in the final scene as a museum curator who may or may not be a distant future Doctor. He also said Twelfth Doctor Peter Capaldi wouldn't appear, which also turned out to be a lie.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Alright, I'm committed to watching this now. Tell me if this is good:

I want to start with the 9th doctor series one and work my way up to the latest episode. Followed by possibly going back and watching the older doctor who episodes on netflix.

Do a lot of people start with the 9th? Is that a good order?

[Ayen]

Alright, I'm committed to watching this now. Tell me if this is good:

I want to start with the 9th doctor series one and work my way up to the latest episode. Followed by possibly going back and watching the older doctor who episodes on netflix.

Do a lot of people start with the 9th? Is that a good order?

Yes. Be forewarned Netflix is terrible at having Doctor Who episodes, and then there are those you won't find at all because they were lost or taped over by BBC. Dailymotion is another good place to find the old black and white episode, that's how I managed to watch an Unearthly Child.

[The Man]

Netflix does have nearly all the NuWho episodes, but I think it's missing Planet of the Dead (though to be fair, it's not really an essential episode to see). You will have to find the specials from after Tennant's fourth season manually, though; they're not with the other Doctor Who episodes, or at least they weren't when I was watching them on Netflix about a year ago. (These occur chronologically between series four and Matt Smith's entrance in series five, and if you skip them you will be completely lost).

Starting with Eccleston and going forth is definitely a great way to do things, though. It's what I did as well. Just make sure you don't skip Classic Who entirely; it's given the name for a reason, as quite a few serials are definitely classics. In particular I strongly recommend The Caves of Androzani and Genesis of the Daleks.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Two episodes in and I've already seen the destruction of Earth while Britney Spear's "Toxic" plays in the background. How zany is that?

Oh yeah, me and this show are getting along just fine :cool:

[Psychotic]

9th Doctor is fantastic, isn't he? :) She's my +1!

Also re: Netflix. Planet of the Dead was naff. If it's missed The Waters of Mars then you have a problem!

[Ayen]

Took a while for me to get into Nine. Didn't help that I started from 5 > 6 > 7 part-1 and then 1 and by the time I started to like him he regenerated.

Second time I watched through his serial I liked him even more and he quickly became one my favorites.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Something's been bugging me about the first episode.

When the Doctor sees himself in a mirror at Rose's house he talks as if he were seeing this new regeneration for the first time, commenting on his ears, haha

But Rose later talks to a guy who has pictures of the Doctor throughout history in different places. Is it really possible he hadn't looked at himself in all that time?

[Ayen]

Something's been bugging me about the first episode.

When the Doctor sees himself in a mirror at Rose's house he talks as if he were seeing this new regeneration for the first time, commenting on his ears, haha

But Rose later talks to a guy who has pictures of the Doctor throughout history in different places. Is it really possible he hadn't looked at himself in all that time?

*looks at The Eleventh Hour*

Yes.

[blackmage_nuke]

Something's been bugging me about the first episode.

When the Doctor sees himself in a mirror at Rose's house he talks as if he were seeing this new regeneration for the first time, commenting on his ears, haha

But Rose later talks to a guy who has pictures of the Doctor throughout history in different places. Is it really possible he hadn't looked at himself in all that time?

Theres a theory that when he disapears for a few seconds at the end of the episode after Rose declines the offer he travels around alone for a while then comes back and says "By the way did I mention it also travels in time"

[Jessweeee♪]

I think Eccleston is my favorite doctor so far.

[The Man]

Eccleston is one of my favourites as well, though I couldn't possibly choose a favourite overall.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72124000/jpg/_72124518_peter-capaldi-and-jenna-col.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bC47z0pZKOI/Usw4x6So_BI/AAAAAAAAmHk/R4EJ36rRBFE/s507-no/Series+8+Filming+4.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fphoUEl4luE/Usw4xKrC5eI/AAAAAAAAmHU/X6WJSMsEjPM/w380-h507-no/Series+8+Filming+2.jpe

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HbSOPx348Cw/Usw4xsGymyI/AAAAAAAAmHc/eOy-SxfaP4Q/w761-h507-no/Series+8+Filming+3.jpe

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Sq3eyUzXU8I/Usw4yVfMROI/AAAAAAAAmHs/4Zio1mzc7po/w536-h507-no/Series+8+Filming+5.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-H03acbfuVBc/Usw4yi2A-5I/AAAAAAAAmH0/Cd1WlTJ7sKY/w536-h507-no/Series+8+Filming+6.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-sgv7fMu7XzY/Usw4yyI7XeI/AAAAAAAAmH4/rB4-DAcUGMw/w570-h432-no/Series+8+Filming+9.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YT5vl3JA4zo/Usw4wBsHntI/AAAAAAAAmHA/6-ZegvxHngo/w536-h507-no/Series+8+Filming+10.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sHJVRljQ0pI/Usw4wTjTWvI/AAAAAAAAmG8/6Zbq5MeOt6U/w536-h507-no/Series+8+Filming+11.jpg

Also, did anyone else notice this?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdYZtmGCMAIoEjv.jpg

[Ayen]

I'm liking the Three reference.

[The Man]

Yeah, me too.

Btw, can it be August please?

[Psychotic]

The Doctor needs to wear a cape again.

[krissy]

in order to prove you all wrong i made a thing
ok so she doesnt live there its her dad's place whatever


http://i.imgur.com/ptcaUPu.png

[Quindiana Jones]

You don't understand; they're all made like that. ;)

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Looking good, Mr. Capaldi :cool:

[radicaledward124]

I need to play catch up. I've not seen series 7 or Day of the Doctor yet. I am fail as a fan.

[Mirage]

I was told to report to this thread. What's going on guys?

[Psychotic]

GET FLYING

I have actually flown the TARDIS at the Doctor Who experience twice. It's pretty easy, although we ended up on a Dalek ship, so... :shobon:

[Mirage]

It's a bit of a stretch to call it "flying" though. I like to call it timeandrelativedimensioninspacing, or tarding for short.

[Agent Proto]

I need to play catch up. I've not seen series 7 or Day of the Doctor yet. I am fail as a fan.

You need to hurry up then!

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I just got done with the series 2 finale and I've gotta say it's at the top of my list for favorite episodes so far. Aside from the touching moments at the end, I enjoyed the argument between the Cybermen and the Daleks. "The only thing you're better at than the Daleks is dying!".


I was wondering what happened to Captain Jack from the first season than I read up and realized he's in Torchwood. Have any of you watched that? When is a good time to start? Should I wait for a certain point in Doctor Who before I watch?

I read somewhere that if Eccleston wanted to be in the 50th anniversary special, he would have done John Hurt's part. Well, sort of. He can't very well be the Doctor before the 9th Doctor :p. But he would have filled that third role.

And for whoever was wondering, Netflix and Hulu do have the christmas specials and what not. For example, that first special between series 1 and 2 is just labeled as Series 2 Episode 1 on Netflix.

[Cuchulainn]

Google street view at the Police Box on Earl's Court Road. You can go into it & learn to fly yourself

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=51.492159,-0.19092&spn=0.005291,0.013937&sll=51.492140,-0.193028&layer=c&cid=12502927659667388442&panoid=c9UMhWP_MWm9U0L48xEjYw&cbp=13,291.8,,0,18.86&gl=US&t=m&cbll=51.492132,-0.192862&z=17.

[Ayen]

I never watched Torchwood. It began running in October 2006 which would place it in-between Series 2 and 3 so you could probably watch the first serial of that now.

[The Man]

Torchwood's not as good as DW on the whole, but it's still worth watching. It starts out pretty uneven but improves in quality for most of the first two series. The miniseries Children of Earth is up to the quality of at least most of DW.

[Jessweeee♪]

So for UK television do you always refer to seasons as series or is this a Doctor Who thing, because it's really confused me in this thread :confused:

[Ayen]

So for UK television do you always refer to seasons as series or is this a Doctor Who thing, because it's really confused me in this thread :confused:

They refer to them all as serials. It's America that calls them seasons.

[The Man]

Actually, serials are stories of the earlier Doctor Who episodes from before the revival (which usually consist of four to six episodes), while a series generally refers to a season of television. But to make things even more confusing, classic Who is generally numbered as seasons one to twenty-six, while modern Who starts with series one and goes up to the forthcoming series eight (with Capaldi). I think they did this just to confuse Americans, personally.

[Ayen]

Well played, England.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

So far I've seen this to be the best viewing order:




Season 1 of Doctor Who
Season 2 of Doctor Who
Season 3 of Doctor Who, stopping after Blink
Season 1 of Torchwood
Season 3 of Doctor Who, restarting at Utopia
Season 2 of Torchwood
Season 4 of Doctor Who
Season 3 of Torchwood (Children of Earth)
Doctor Who Specials (four hour long episodes in 2009)
Seasons 5 and 6 of Doctor Who
Season 4 of Torchwood

Although the last two seem to be interchangeable as there are no crossovers at that point.

[Agent Proto]

https://24.media.tumblr.com/3ca4c3b06553a6c3b8ee5e79a3b5a16b/tumblr_n02poztDwR1qijoeyo1_500.jpg

Enjoy.

[Psychotic]

Them's some shiny boots.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

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[Agent Proto]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/707c91c72c66eacca9da184ec69bc227/tumblr_n04ll1tnY01r44xwao1_r1_500.jpg

[Jiro]

Cannot believe that fanart wow

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Just got done with season 3 yesterday and I think this is a good article:

10 Reasons Martha Jones Is Awesome | Ars Marginal (http://arsmarginal.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/10-reasons-martha-jones-is-awesome/)

I think a lot of people disliked Martha just because she fell in to the unfortunate position of "The companion after Rose". Rose is my favorite companion but Martha was great! :)

[Jessweeee♪]

Yeah I think following up Rose really did her in. Martha was my least favorite, but I did like her. I know I hated Donna the very first episode she appeared but once I had some time to get used to Martha not being Rose and she was brought in as a companion Donna really grew on me.

[Scotty_ffgamer]

Martha was my least favorite, but part of that is just with her being after Rose. She has a lot going for her, but I felt like they focused too much on her being in love with The Doctor and pining after him. That was the most annoying thing about Tennet's run to me: everyone just seemed to fall in love with him. Martha is in general a good, strong character though.

It's been a while since I've watched the episodes with her in it too, so I could be remembering things wrong as well.

[Lonely Paper Star]

16-bit Doctor Who~

RvSk1rosmYY

[The Man]

Did I mention how much I like Capaldi's costume yet? No? Well I really like Capaldi's costume.

[Jinx]

It's kind of bland, but I don't hate it.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I just watched the series 4 episode about the Volcano in Pompeii and I thought "That's Peter Capaldi!". Sure enough, it was. But it turns out there could possibly be an explanation for Mr. Capaldi showing up in the whoniverse twice before starring as the twelfth Doctor:

Doctor Who: Steven Moffat has an explanation for Peter Capaldi?s earlier appearances | Radio Times (http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-09-30/doctor-who-steven-moffat-has-an-explanation-for-peter-capaldis-earlier-appearances)


Peter Capaldi: the new face of Who. Except to anyone who’s been paying attention, of course, that’s not quite true. Capaldi has already popped up as Roman merchant Lucius Caecilius Iucundus in series-four episode The Fires of Pompeii and as Home Office permanent secretary John Frobisher in Torchwood: Children of Earth.

So will those appearances just be swept under the carpet when Capaldi takes up his new post as the Doctor? Not necessarily. Doctor Who showrunner Steven Moffat says there could be an explanation for the fact that we’ve seen Capaldi’s face before – and it emanates from his predecessor Russell T Davies.

"We are aware that Peter Capaldi’s played a part in Doctor Who before and we’re not going to ignore the fact," Moffat told Nerd3. "I’ll let you in on this. I remember Russell told me he had a big old plan as to why there were two Peter Capaldis in the Who universe, one in Pompeii and one in Torchwood. When I cast Peter, [Russell] got in touch to say how pleased he was, I said 'Okay, what was your theory and does it still work?' and he said 'Yes it does, here it is'. So I don’t know if we’ll get to it… we’ll play that one out over time. It’s actually quite neat".

[Ayen]

I wouldn't complain if they did sweep it under the rug. BBC recycles their actors, it's nothing new. It happened with Colin Baker, Freema Agyeman, etc.

[The Man]

Karen Gillan too, and TV Tropes has a bunch more examples (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouLookFamiliar).

[Ayen]

I heard about Karen, I just didn't know which episode she appeared in. Funny that it's the same one Peter is in.

So given all of that, I don't see why the writers here feel a need to give a in-universe explanation and my gut instinct is, "Oh, God, it's going to be something stupid, isn't it?"

But we'll see.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Currently reading:

The Lonely Computer (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/s4/misc/fiction/thelonelycomputer/)

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[Jinx]

If they're going to explain Peter being there (which I love, by the way), I think it'd be awesome if they explain Karen being there too.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

They'll probably let that one slide. It's hard to even recognize her with the face paint she had on.

[Raistlin]

I don't think they need to explain Peter being in the old episode. They never explained Gillian having appeared. Any explanation would likely be painfully forced, in a show that already strains the credulity on a semi-regular basis.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

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It would certainly be interesting to see this story told.....create your own caption!

"An unexplained chain of events sends the TARDIS to Earth where the 8th Doctor meets a companion from his future."

[The Man]

That would be so awesome. I would love to see that episode made. Actually anything with more McGann would be highly welcome, or for that matter any past Doctor. Yes, even Colin. Especially Colin. He demonstrated in the audio dramas that he's as awesome a Doctor as the others; he just was given shitty material. Having him be given proper material onscreen would be epic.

[krissy]

since this regeneration cycle was underpowered at first or whatever, the regen form was taken from a previous encounter
IF this is the case for all regens in this cycle i hope that the 14th is doctor moon. :)

[Kalevala]

https://24.media.tumblr.com/3ca4c3b06553a6c3b8ee5e79a3b5a16b/tumblr_n02poztDwR1qijoeyo1_500.jpg

Enjoy.

I like it. I think (I hope) it's representative of the more serious nature of this Doctor. I can only hope that in the opening moments of the next episode he becomes frustrated with the TARDIS and yells "smurfity fly!"

That probably won't happen.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I found this and thought it was really cool. I didn't know they made it! It's a short mini-sode right after the last episode of series 1 and before the first Christmas special.

7IylzJNaW5k

[Ayen]

Nice fine. I knew about it, but couldn't find it anywhere. Seeing David in Nine's jacket is weird.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Right then, so who wants to buy me this:

Dr Who Jacket (http://www.wested.com/dr-who-jacket-20-p.asp)

[Psychotic]

Did you see the other Children in Need video they did with the 10th Doctor meeting the 5th?

[Ayen]

Have you been a good boy?

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Did you see the other Children in Need video they did with the 10th Doctor meeting the 5th?

Just watched that now since you pointed it out. Thanks for mentioning!


Have you been a good boy?

You could say I've been....

fantastic :smug:

[Kalevala]

I found this and thought it was really cool. I didn't know they made it! It's a short mini-sode right after the last episode of series 1 and before the first Christmas special.

Neat! I knew they had done this, but I had never bothered to look for it. I forgot that the Doctor's first word to Rose was "run." Fitting, considering he's been running almost his entire life.

[The Man]

Ok, this fan-made intro is amazing:

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[Ayen]

Love the episode title.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I received my favorite companions autobiography in the mail today. 300 something pages i'm looking forward to reading. I was fortunate enough to find a used one on Amazon for only a dollar. It's fantastic ;)

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[The Man]

Matt Smith is awesome.

Doctor Who's Matt Smith sends video to dying 4-year-old fan (http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2014/02/doctor-whos-matt-smith-sends-video-to-dying-4-year-old-fan-watch.html)

[Shauna]

I received my favorite companions autobiography in the mail today. 300 something pages i'm looking forward to reading. I was fortunate enough to find a used one on Amazon for only a dollar. It's fantastic ;)

51941

Billie Piper sang some mediocre pop songs. Then she did some mediocre acting. Then she did some slightly better acting. And here we are today. :3

[Mirage]

she's way cute though

[The Man]

New recurring character for Doctor Who Series 8 | Articles | Doctor Who (http://www.doctorwho.tv/whats-new/article/samuel-anderson-joins-doctor-who-for-peter-capaldi-s-first-series)

Looks like the two-companion dynamic is a thing that will be happening again. Could be interesting.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Well Shauna if only I could give an infinite amount of the opposite of a moogle hug :colbert:

I really enjoy it. It gives first hand experience on the ups and downs of getting fame at a young age, including her battle with anorexia. It's been a good read so far :)

[Jessweeee♪]

I didn't know she was a popstar. I just looked her up on youtube omg so nineties

[Psychotic]

Because we want to, because we want to!

[Slothy]

I didn't know she was a popstar. I just looked her up on youtube omg so nineties

Kids these days.

[Lonely Paper Star]

You make feel so right~ every DAY. AND. NIGHT~

[Psychotic]

Honey to the B that's you for me! ...when I was 11 I kinda had a crush on her :shobon:

[Slothy]

Who didn't?

[Kalevala]

I had recurring dreams about the music video for "Because We Want To." That's how deeply it affected me.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I unapologetically listen to this often....because I want to :greenie:

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[Psychotic]

You people see what you miss out on by not being British? First Doctor Who and now this.

[Shauna]

So 90s. xD I love it.

[Jessweeee♪]

Today I saw a man that looked just like Peter Capaldi wearing a shirt that said "I'M THE NEW DOCTOR" on it.

[Kalevala]

You people see what you miss out on by not being British? First Doctor Who and now this.

"Because We Want To" was in the regular rotation for several music video channels here in Canada.

I believe Doctor Who was on CBC for a season or two.

We just want to be part of you so badly.

[Ayen]

Oh, God, I hit play. Sweet Jesus, why did I have to hit play?

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

...because you wanted to :smug:

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Nope. Not ready for this thread to die yet.

So I come bearing gifts.

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[The Man]

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[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

No one can escape Noel Clarke's instagram:

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[The Man]

http://i.imgur.com/rGvsOtJ.jpg

I should have known Charles Dance was secretly a Time Lord. He's currently rumoured to be playing the Master. While I'd like to see John Simm return, if he has to be replaced, Charles Dance is the objectively perfect person to do it.

[Psychotic]

"And who are you" the Time Lord said "that I must bow so low? Only a sonic of a different light, that's all the truth I know."

[Old Manus]

I don't even watch Dr Who but I'm just reporting in to say they're filming in my office and Peter Capaldi is like literally here right now

[Jinx]

I don't even watch Dr Who but I'm just reporting in to say they're filming in my office and Peter Capaldi is like literally here right now


WHAT

OH MY GOD

OH MY GOD

[Old Manus]

He's shorter than I imagined

I didn't get a picture with him or anything (I'm in work :redface:) but I did get a picture of them building the Tardis. Totally fake, there's no room inside at all :colbert:

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[Jinx]

That is seriously so cool. Like, I feel like I'm living this through you.

[Old Manus]

So that's what I could feel! I thought I just needed the toilet.

[Jinx]

Speaking of DW: I'm starting my re-watch today. :D

[*Devore*]

Charles Dance is an awesome actor, I hope he sticks around for more than just one or two episodes.

Im not sure I like how much there sonic screwdrivers are glowing. Reminds me too much of lightsabers.

[Ayen]

He's shorter than I imagined

I didn't get a picture with him or anything (I'm in work :redface:) but I did get a picture of them building the Tardis. Totally fake, there's no room inside at all :colbert:

57427

That is so awesome.

More of Game of Thrones actors in my Doctor Who?

I'm okay with this.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Alright, so I'm apparently the last person in the world to figure out that if you rearrange the letters in Torchwood it spells Doctor Who :shobon:

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Season Eight, Episode One called 'Deep Breath' airs August 23rd

http://www.mtv.com/news/1856866/doctor-who-series-8-premiere-august-23-peter-capaldi/

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[blackmage_nuke]

Alright, so I'm apparently the last person in the world to figure out that if you rearrange the letters in Torchwood it spells Doctor Who :shobon:

...second last

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

OMG. I am FINALLY almost caught up. Just have to watch the specials and I will be fully in the loop.

It has been hard avoiding this thread for so long. I think I finally started watching Doctor Who sometime late last year. And then I had to wait for Netflix to put up the latest season.

And then I can watch Torchwood. And then the classic DW.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

If all you're missing are the newest specials than by all means start Torchwood. I think the latest crossover between the two is the end of season 4 of DW.

[The Man]

Torchwood series one coincides with series three of the new DW, while Torchwood series two coincides with series four of the new DW. Series three of Torchwood and on really have nothing in common with the continuity of DW (which is no doubt a product of Russell T. Davies leaving the crew of DW) so you're pretty much safe to watch all of them if you've completed Tennant's run.

Torchwood: Children of Earth is amazing, btw. The general rule with the first two series of Torchwood is that they get better as they progress.

On an unrelated note, did anyone see this fan-created trailer?

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[Ayen]

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Voice sounds like Davros at the beginning before going full Dalek. Some are speculating it might be Dalek Time Controller from the Big Fish audios or Dalek Caan. So far it's sounding like we may get a darker Doctor as many have been hoping for going into the Twelfth.

[The Man]

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[Psychotic]

Saw this at half-time in the World Cup. Getting excited for it.

[Ayen]

"I'm the Doctor. I lived for over two-thousand years. I made many mistakes. It's time I did something about them."

Okay, I already love this new Doctor.

[Jinx]

Doctor Who: Into Darkness

[Ayen]

The Pandorica Speech by the 4th, 5th, 7th, 10th, and 11th Doctor.

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Tom Baker gave me goosebumps.

[Bunny]

Silly Doctor, Angry Doctor, Weirdo Doctor, Serious Doctor.

[Formalhaut]

That full-length trailer definitely implies a darker turn, which is great, I'm looking forward to it!

I do hope there are silly moments though. I love those random moments of humor in Doctor Who.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

http://www.fathomevents.com/event/doctor-who-deep-breath-premiere

The first episode of Doctor Who season 8 will be playing in cinemas across America.

It will be playing on the 25th, two days after the shows television premiere. However, the running time will be 100 minutes because there will be an exclusive prequel before the show as well as a behind the scenes feature afterwards.

The closest theater to me that's playing this is roughly 50 minutes away. Not too bad. I'd like to go. We'll see!

[Ayen]

Doctor Who has really enjoyed their theater stuff lately.

[Chibi Youkai]

That's because it's making money. Fathom made something like $4 million off of the 50th anniversary. And to be honest, it's pretty brilliant marketing. Why watch it at home when you can spend less than a price of a regular movie ticket and go see it on a movie screen? Especially when they throw in extras that you can't catch at home.

[Jinx]

Hey, I'm not complaining. The extras are worth it and it's fun! :)

[Chibi Youkai]

The social aspect of theater is great as well. It's a great way to make friends with like-minded people. Although some of the Tennant fan-girls are a little scary. I guess that applies to all fandoms, though.

[Ayen]

In my case it's either playing in a theater nowhere near me or on a day no one is available to take me.

[~*~Celes~*~]

I didn't make it to the most recent Doctor Who theater event but my husband saved me the poster with David Tennant on it :love:

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

Season 8 begins tonight, whooligans

[Jinx]

HOLY SHIT IT DOES I FORGOT

(It begins this afternoon if you torrent! ;) )

[Ayen]

New Doctor! New Doctor! New Doctor!

But Clara is leaving this Christmas :( *cries*

[Jinx]

Eh. I like Jenna, but Clara's a really boring character.

[Ayen]

I like Jenna, and Clara's a really great character.

I know. *sobs*

[Psychotic]

Eh. I like Jenna, but Clara's a really boring character.
If you love her, and you should, then help her. :colbert:

[Jinx]

Eh. I like Jenna, but Clara's a really boring character.
If you love her, and you should, then help her. :colbert:

What?

Clara's just too perfect, I guess. I think Jenna's acted her wonderfully, but I was really bored with the answer of what she is. It's built up and built up and a total letdown. We hardly even know her for who she is as a character outside of being the Impossible Girl.

Don't mistake someone being pretty and a good actress as being a good character. Look at Martha Jones, for god's sake.

[Psychotic]

Well of course! Catherine Tate is neither of those things and who can possibly hate Donna?

Watch Time of the Doctor again (you should anyway regardless of this) and watch the scene with her Gran where Clara hugs her or the scene where she's left behind or the scene where she reads out that "joke" and rests her head on his knee or the scene where she talks to the crack and say she's a bland character.

[Jinx]

Her back story is very bland. She's not well fleshed out at all. And the things you're pointing out (in my opinion) are examples of JENNA being a good actress, not Clara being a well-written character. I don't even hate Clara or anything (she's still a much better character than Martha Jones) I just don't feel super emotionally attached to her, because we never really get to know her. All of her thing revolves on finding out what/who she is (which was a total letdown because it was the most obvious answer) and hardly any time is actually spent developing her as someone you feel like you know or care about.

Anyways, Clara's story is played out. There's not really anywhere for her to go. I'd like to see a male companion or an older woman. Less romancey stuff.

EDIT: I just want to point out again that my feelings of apathy aren't a criticism on Jenna at all. I think she's very talented and adorable as heck. I was just really, really excited by the prospect of Clara, and I don't think they did a very good job with writing her. But this isn't me hating on Jenna they way I hate on Emilia Clarke (who is a bad actress in addition to Dany being one of/the worst character on the show).

[The Man]

It's not confirmed that Jenna is leaving at Christmas, by the way. The actors have taken sheer delight in trolling us as to whether she'll be departing or not.

[Ayen]

It's not confirmed that Jenna is leaving at Christmas, by the way. The actors have taken sheer delight in trolling us as to whether she'll be departing or not.

Oh. She's a Jenna Troll.

[The Man]

Well, she's working for Steven Moffat. What else did you really expect?

[Ayen]

Well, she's working for Steven Moffat. What else did you really expect?

To explain away plot holes with time being rewritten and to completely miss the point why members of the opposite sex watch her show.