Sony Press Conference - #E32013

[Aulayna]

All you need to know:
kWSIFh8ICaA


PLAYSTATION 4
SONY E3 2013 PRESS CONFERENCE
(pretty pic soon!)


The conference has now ended.

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TOO LONG; DIDN'T READ VERSION:

- Coming Holiday 2013 priced at $399/€399/£349
- No DRM. No Used Game Restrictions. No required internet authentication.
- Final Fantasy Versus XIII renamed to Final Fantasy XV
- Kingdom Hearts III Revealed
- PS exclusive content for all the major cross-platform franchises
- Killzone and Drive Club confirmed launch titles
- InFamous to come in 2014

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PRESHOW TOPIC: What are you expecting from Sony? What exclusives are you expecting? What's your pricepoint prediction?

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02:00 - Slight delay...

02:17 - Slight delay turned into 15 minutes... but, we're underway!

02:18 - The familiar PS symbols adorn the screen with a montage of games! With the most overused Two Steps From Hell song playing in the background.

02:21 - Jack comes to the stage and thanks us for our dedication.

02:22 - Here comes the attempts to save the fledging PS Vita. Cue the stats and numbers.

02:24 - God of War HD 1&2, FFX/X-2, Flower and Dead Nation all coming to PS Vita. Along with The Walking Dead.

02:25 - PS Vita being dubbed "the ultimate companion device" for PS4.

02:26 - Over to the PS3 - with another look at The Last of Us - looking as awesome... as sliced bread!

02:28 - Quirky little game called The Puppeteer. Not really enough to get an impression of it.

02:29 - Same with the next game from Japan Studio called Rain.

02:30 - A look at Beyond: Two Souls - looks interesting. (trailer to follow here later)

02:31 - It's Gran Turismo 6 time! New data, new physic engine, new tyre engine, new suspension engine, new aerodynamics, new teselation, new rendering engi.... you get the idea.

02:33 - Batman Arkham Origins coming 10.25.2013 - looks amazing. PS3 owners get exclusive Nightfall DLC and exclusive 1960s Batman costume.

02:36 - GTA V bundle for PS3 announced with new headset for around $200-299


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02:37 - Jack shifts the focus to the PS4. Andrew House the CEO of SCE comes to the stage to talk about the PS4.

02:38 - Here comes the unveiling of the PS4 box!

02:39 - It looks almost like the XBOX ONE, except with angled sides... seems the VCR/DVD player look is the future!


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02:42 - Buffering...

02:45 - Still lagging and buffering... seems I'm missing something about tv, movies and music - which I know most of you don't care about soooo... oh well!

02:50 - Annnd everything is working again... except I have no idea what this guy is talking about... time to wing it. Yeah Twitter! We're working on new IPs and exclusives for the PS4... for example...

02:51 - A steampunk esque shooter/horror game... The Order 1886


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02:53 - Be sure to check out Playstation.com later for new trailers of these exclusives as they were too time strapped to show them live...

02:54 - Killzone Shadow Fall - It wouldn't be a new PS without a new Killzone after all!

02:55 - Drive Club - hurray more racing games!

02:56 - InFamous Second Son time. Now with 100% more explosions (yes it's possible, somehow)

02:57 - They've got the knack for new stuff... it's Knack! /badumtish

02:58 - Again check Playstation.com later this week for more videos.

02:58 - Killzone and Drive Club are launch titles, Infamous coming Q1 2014

02:59 - Quantic Dream give us a hilarious tech demo to show off the PS4s impressive visual power.

03:04 - Now we're being introduced to the Indie line-up:

03:05 - Transistor from the people behind Bastion. Making it's console debut on the PS4. The game has a very distinct art style. Coming in 2014.

03:07 - Clay Entertainment are coming to PS4 with Don't Starve.

03:08 - Tribute Games

03:09 - The Oddworld Universe is coming to PS4!

03:10 - 17bit games with Galaxy, an R-Type style game.

03:11 - All of these games will be making exclusive console debuts on PS4.

03:12 - Diablo III on the PS3 will feature exclusive items such as Drake's Amulet from Uncharted.

03:13 - Here comes Square Enix! Teasing as that there's no time to talk to us about Versus but details are coming in the coming days. But here's a trailer... it's of Versus XIII. HOLY trout!


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03:15 - It's been rebranded to Final Fantasy XV as predicted!

03:16 - Nomura has another trailer for us...

03:17 - HOLY trout....

03:17 - HOLY trout....


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03:17 - KINGDOM HEARTS III - IT'S REAL!

03:19 - Now after that high it's time for some more AssCreed 4 footage.

03:20 - Now this is the tasty footage I wanted at Ubisoft's conference. Finally a chance to get an actual feel for how AC4 is going to play.

03:24 - And then the demo version crashed during the demonstration xD

03:25 - Now the Game Direction for Watch Dogs is here. New footage is coming :excited:

03:26 - It looks fantastic. PS4 will receive an additional hour of exclusive gameplay and an outfit.

03:34 - Ah well, this conference had gone on too long without some cheesey sports personality segment - at least this one was mildly humorous though!

03:36 - Elder Scrolls Online footage - the beta will be PS4 exclusive at first.

03:38 - Mad Max is coming to the PS4 too. PS owners will have exclusive content available to them.

03:40 - Jack comes back to the stage to possibly start boring us with the business talk.

03:41 - PS4 supports Used Disc-Based Games with NO restrictions with no requirement to connect to the internet.


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03:43 - PS4 does not require you to check-in online periodically. No 24 hour requirement at all.

03:44 - PSN will keep all it's current free of charge functionality along with the sharing functionality. PS Plus memberships will apply to your PS4 with more features coming to PS Plus.

03:47 - Here comes Bungie and the Destiny world gameplay premiere!

03:53 - Impressive lighting effects and shadows!

04:00 - Looks a lot like Firefall and Defiance, except with stuff to do and decent combat. Coming in 2014!

04:02 - PSs Cloud Service becomes available in 2014 providing PS3 and PS4 customers with access to critically acclaimed PS3 games using Gaikai's cloud technology.

04:03 - Launch price $399, €399, £349 this Holiday season.

04:05 - The conference draws to a close.

[Pete for President]

I expect some gimmicky controller functions, additional MGS stuff, Dark Souls 2 getting some love and MediaMolecule things. Maybe, very very maybe, a next gen Ace Combat. Maybe.

[Slothy]

Maybe, very very maybe, a next gen Ace Combat. Maybe.

If this happens I will cry both tears of joy for a next-gen AC, and tears of sorrow because I don't really want, nor can I afford, a next-gen console right now.

Anyway, I think the Sony presentation is the one I'm most interested in. Not because I actually care that much about what they show and announce (though something cool from Naughty Dog could get my motor running), but because I think a lot of people's decisions of which console to buy could be decided with this one, and it will be interesting to see if Sony is able to capitalize on Microsoft's missteps. I really feel like if they've been paying attention and they're willing to go on record saying they're not going to do some of the stuff Microsoft is they could walk away with a pretty positive reaction here. Ironically it would be because of things they choose not to do rather than what they are actually doing.

[Depression Moon]

I'm going to be torturing myself watching this since I've said I am not going next gen. What time does it start for people on the East Coast?

[NeoCracker]

Thirty minues from now, so 7PM for me. :p

This is the one I was looking forward too. More on Infamous is what I really want, but I'd love to see the exclusives they have lined up. I know pretty much nothign going into this one.

[Bolivar]

I think there's a chance we could see some PS3 games they've been holding back in order to blow out on PS4 - The Last Guardian, Versus XIII and Agent specifically.

As far as price, $500 for each was my initial guess, because of Kinect and GDDR5. I did read something that Sony decided early on to go with GDDR5 and was only going to have 2 GB total, but the Durango leaks of 8GB coincided with GDDR5 becoming more commercially available, and their pipeline allowed them to crank up to 8GB relatively painlessly. If this is true, as with Pacther's estimation that it costs $279 for them to manufacture each machine, there may be a chance this thing is relatively cheap. That would be the biggest shocker.

Remember - they have to split this thing between PS4, PS3 and Vita. Most people are hoping Vita gets lumped in with PS4 because of the mandatory cross-play for every game, but I don't think that'll be the case. PlayStation Move will probably get thrown in as well, since at the PlayStation Meeting they showed they're clearly not done with it. So that's kinda 4 platforms and I could see this thing being a very sloppy, all-over-the-place press conference.

As far as games, I see this more of a showing of what's on the horizon, as their launch window is already set with a solid number of titles as it is. Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, and Media Molecule are definitely all showing games. We know Square Enix is there. When you add in PS3, Vita, and Move, that's not a lot of room left. I personally would like to hear more about the PC migration of SOE titles like Planetside 2 and Free to Play games like Blacklight coming to PS3. If they announced the next EverQuest as a cross-platform, free to play, AAA next-gen MMO, that would be a huge surprise.

I've already known about quite a few launch games I already want for some time. I'm already buying one of these things, I just want Sony to not screw it up royally. They have a tendancy to put on bittersweet shows, a lot of stuff I personally want, but sifted through a lot of eye-rolling stuff, like the Media Molecule segment at the PlayStation Meeting. You can't please everyone at these things, but hopefully they recognize that there's a very specific demographic watching and reading that they can if they target them properly.

[Freya]

I want a new FF. That's all.

[NeoCracker]

The guy from naughty dog looks shaggy and unprofesional as smurf. XD

Edit: LETS DO THIS!

[Aulayna]

Should be starting within the next couple of minutes. :)

[Bolivar]

Also you heard it here first, it'll look like a pc tower!

[krissy]

IF YOU PLAY THE VITA GIRLS WILL TALK TO YOU ON AIRPLANES

[Depression Moon]

I like his suit.

[NeoCracker]

Just blitzing through PS3 trailers? Interesting strategy, but hey! They look good, so fuck it. Beats Corprate Lingo!

[krissy]

is that amon tobin playing in the gran turismo trailer?
great

[NeoCracker]

A string of trout no one cares about, but here's hoping that was them getting non-game trout out quick in one swoop.

Edit: ...Okay, I really thought they were leading out of entertainment shit and going onto games. O_O

[NeoCracker]

Twelve New IPs?

And The Order?

smurf yes. This is picking up.

Don't care much about Killzone, but yeah.

More on Infamous and Knack? That's what I want to see.

[NeoCracker]

Holy trout! String of exclusive indie games! ^_^

Okay Sony, you've won.

Edit: Exclusive Debut's they said, so perhaps not entirely exclusive.

[Aulayna]

Versus XIII. Holy shit, it's still a thing!

[Depression Moon]

Well looks like Wolf Kanno predicted it Versus is now XV

[Aulayna]

Kingdom Hearts III

fjgswjlgkjlkagkjdl

*nerdgasm*

[NeoCracker]

So wolf was right, it's now XV :p

[Denmark]

sony wins 2013

[krissy]

holy smurf

[NeoCracker]

Can we declare sony the winners now?

[Denmark]

microsoft got xboned

[Depression Moon]

KINGDOM HEARTS III!!!!!!!

[Slothy]

Versus XIII. Holy shit, it's still a thing!

I'm assuming it's a PS4 reveal? /notwatchingtheshow


Well looks like Wolf Kanno predicted it Versus is now XV

Who wasn't predicting that at this point?

[NeoCracker]

Slew of Indie games, Awesome Tech Demo, FF XV and KH III.

So much awesome, then AC IV. :p

[Ouch!]

That... that just happened.

[ShinGundam]

XV :D

[Slothy]

Not going to lie, I am more interested in FFXV than pretty much anything else these companies have going for them. If only because the earlier demos of Versus looked promising. Here's hoping it's not shit and it gets a PC port so I don't have to buy one of these any time soon.

[Depression Moon]

Now I can go to bed.

[krissy]

rofl the lag

[NeoCracker]

And nothing they can do is going to live up to that stretch of awesome the rest of the night. :p

[Pheesh]

Kingdom Hearts III. Welp, congrats Sony, you've suckered another console purchase out of me. Take all of my money.

[Pete for President]

Call me the negativitron, but having new trailers for games that have been going through maybe the worst kind of development cycle will not get me back on the bandwagon.

Bring on the indie games :cool:

[NeoCracker]

And best footage of Watchdogs yet.


FUCK ADDITIONAL GAMEPLAY FOR SONY VERSION!? YES!

[krissy]

well they had a whole section for those too
transistor looks great in hd

[Freya]

APRIL FOOLS BITCHES! My april fools joke wasn't a joke! DING DING KH3!

[krissy]

haha yeah kc i thought of you!

and frick

mad max

FINALLY

[Denmark]

all these shots fired at the xbone

i am laughing out loud irl

[krissy]

lol

sony got new marketing cause they know what they're doing
subtle jabs at the opposition
well
not subtle
but i like it

[NeoCracker]

From chat thus far...


[20:41:35] <UncleBigHands> NO RESTRICTIONS ON USED!
[20:41:38] <Snakz92> there you go
[20:41:39] <Snakz92> horray
[20:41:41] <Snakz92> wow
[20:41:50] <Snakz92> just slammed microsoft into the ground
[20:41:51] <Nicolas> look at him all smug on stage.
[20:41:51] <Nicolas> xD
[20:41:55] <+Aulayna_> dat smug grin
[20:42:05] <Nicolas> seriously.
[20:42:12] <niro> NO USED GAMES!!!
[20:42:21] <Nicolas> This is a smurfing kick in MS's teeth. xD
[20:42:31] <Snakz92> he knows!!!
[20:42:34] <Snakz92> that laugh!!
[20:42:38] <UncleBigHands> There's a smurfing sony chant? XD
[20:42:44] <UncleBigHands> What is this, wwf? XD
[20:42:48] <Nicolas> xD
[20:42:52] <Phil> xD
[20:42:53] <Nicolas> Game. Set.
[20:42:59] <Snakz92> wooooow
[20:43:02] <Snakz92> DAMN
[20:43:03] <niro> DIG MICROSOFTS GRAVE
[20:43:05] <niro> NOW!!!!
[20:43:15] <UncleBigHands> No periodic checks online!
[20:43:20] <Phil> I'm not even watching the stream but it's hilarious to watch people's reactions
[20:43:24] <UncleBigHands> XD
[20:43:30] <niro> NO ONLINE
[20:43:33] <niro> MUTHERsmurf
[20:43:37] <niro> BRAAAAAAAPPPPP
[20:43:42] <UncleBigHands> Really, why doesn't he JUST say "Hey Microsoft, I smurfed your mom"
[20:44:04] <Nicolas> "Hey, Microsoft. See these from where you are? On the ground? They're my ass cheeks. Get to kissing them."

[Denmark]

send this link to microsoft: List of burn centers in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States)

[Madame Adequate]

Oh god it's over, XBOX GO HOME

[Denmark]

kWSIFh8ICaA

gggg baby baby baby

[Madame Adequate]

Official PlayStation Used Game Instructional Video - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA)

e; smurf you denmark :argh:

[Slothy]

kWSIFh8ICaA

gggg baby baby baby

Oh god, that is so awesome. If the Microsoft execs just curl up and die after this I won't blame them.

[Freya]

Ack I'm so excited about versus being XV OMG I'MA EXPLODE that looked awesome!

[NeoCracker]

SONY I HAVE NO SEED LEFT TO SPILL! :cry:

[Elite Lord Sigma]

$399 at launch. Checkmate, Microsoft.

[Denmark]

$399

so like infinite times better than xbone and $100 cheaper what the fuckballs

[Madame Adequate]

did that seriously just happen

is that a $399 price point

i uh

sony all is forgiven i'm coming home fuck xbone

[krissy]

i dont even have time for games nowadays but i think i'll buy this just so i can say i watched this conference

[Ouch!]

$399? Shut up and take my money!

[Bolivar]

I'm really not happy about paying for multiplayer... but it's PlayStation Plus, so... yeah.

I just... wow.

[Slothy]

$399? Better pack up and go home Microsoft. This year belongs to Sony.

[Madame Adequate]

$399? Better pack up and go home Microsoft. This year belongs to Sony.

Year? The whole damn generation belongs to Sony.

E; if you think about it adding some price for multi is pretty much perfectly timed. Sony fans aren't going to be going away after that show, but on the other hand those of us coming over from the XBox aren't going to think anything of it because we've been happily paying for online.

Even their less popular decisions were well-judged and dropped in among so much great trout nobody batted an eyelid.

[Agent Proto]

kWSIFh8ICaA

[NeoCracker]

To appease the masses, if Amazon is to be believed, game prices still at 60$.

Amazon.com: Killzone: Shadow Fall (PlayStation 4): Video Games (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BGA9YZK?pf_rd_p=1562847402&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-6&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=6427814011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=B45F31B764B74B3DAD7D)


Edit: Odd, some prices are listed at 100. O_O

[Denmark]

$399? Better pack up and go home Microsoft. This year belongs to Sony.

Year? The whole damn generation belongs to Sony.

generation ranks:
1) ps4
2) 3ds
3) pc
4) wiiu
...
1234332) atari jaguar
1234333) xbowned

[Dr. rydrum2112]

#xboxDone

Sony just rolled MS and smoked them.

[Nicolas]

To appease the masses, if Amazon is to be believed, game prices still at 60$.

Amazon.com: Killzone: Shadow Fall (PlayStation 4): Video Games (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BGA9YZK?pf_rd_p=1562847402&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-6&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=6427814011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=B45F31B764B74B3DAD7D)

That's the only one I saw at less than $100. And just as they price was said on the streams, Amazon emailed me the preorder link to the PS4. No joke. It's like destiny was calling me and spitting in my face... or Microsoft's. Whichever.

I AM a little concerned they mentioned nothing fully detailing the specs and hardware that you'll be receiving with that model. I'm sure we will see it in time, hopefully sooner than later.

[NeoCracker]

If PS4 Games Only Cost $60, They&#39;re Actually Cheaper Than PS3 Games (http://kotaku.com/5986208/if-ps4-games-only-cost-60-theyre-actually-cheaper-than-ps3-games)

[Elite Lord Sigma]

Well, I can safely say that I've never been happier to have been wrong in my life. I'd completely understand if Tretton dropped the mic at the end of the conference.

[Madame Adequate]

Prices are listed at $100 to cover their asses due to their various "Can't be beat on price" policies etc, they'll come down to the real prices once things are more concrete.

Also don't talk trout about the Jaguar, it's a better console than the CD-i :colbert:

e; Seriously Sigma, I've talked shit about Sony for the last eight years but goddamn, this is the most brutal thing I've seen since the reviews came out for the Nuon, I'm totally going back to Sony here.

[Goldenboko]

Sony falcon punched Microsoft.

[Agent Proto]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/24d473cc986eb18191459b277879ebad/tumblr_mo7htlL0EG1rufu02o1_500.jpg

[krissy]

this is the first conference i ever watched
like i never bother with them
this one did it

[Aulayna]

This Just In:
It seems that to play PS4 games online Sony require you to have a Playstation Plus subscription.

PS4 Video Says PlayStation Plus Is Mandatory For Online Multiplayer (http://kotaku.com/ps4-video-says-playstation-plus-is-mandatory-for-online-512482325)

[NeoCracker]

You know, it's bad form to post that as though it is fact when even the article itself says Sony hasn't confirmed this. :p

[Freya]

Well we heard rumors of that. They said before at the press conference didn't they? That they'd have the paid service? Not surprised on that front.


The sony press conference stomped all over the microsoft one. They just crossed their arms and went "yeah bitch whats up. Been at this a lot longer. Time to step down little boy".

OHMIGAWD am i excited for this next gen. THANKS SONY.

[Nicolas]

Somehow Sony didn't mention the specs of the system at their Press, but here's the release of the specs courtesy of Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/the-ps4-has-a-500gb-hard-drive-and-other-misc-details-512521805).

[Del Murder]

Yeaaahhhhhh Sony nailed it. My money is yours, once again. There was never any doubt, though.

[ShinGundam]

PS4 is not region locked.

The best news so far.

[Loony BoB]

Kinda gutted about that mandatory subscription for online gaming, now I'll have to pay for online console gaming. Gutted. I do wonder where FFXIV will fit in with that, too, as they won't release on 360 because of the Xbox Live required subscription.

Pretty amused and pleased that our AF joke and the main alternative we discussed as an AF joke both ended up being announced as part of Sony's battering ram.

[nirojan]

People chill out. I've been a PS+ member from the start (back in 2010). My sub runs into 2014 and IT IS THE BEST DEAL IN GAMING PERIOD!!
Sony and MS have to pay to run those online servers. It really isn't the end of the world and if you're an Xbot changing sides next-gen...you're already used to it, so why are you complaining?
Other than that SOMEONE call 911, Microsoft GOT RAPEDDDD!!!!!!!!

[Rocket Edge]

Sony's best e3 that I can remember and it's not even over yet. I'll be getting my PS4 on release. I think the price is great considering it's a next gen console.

Also, hugely excited about KH3! About fecking time. As for FFXV, I thought it looked sweet but I just hope it keeps to its roots. It looked more like Assassins Creed gamepley than classic FF. We'll see. Still paranoid about the series after FFXIII.

Looking forward to the rest of the conference!

[Loony BoB]

As for FFXV, I thought it looked sweet but I just hope it keeps to its roots.
Final Fantasy's roots involve constantly reinventing itself and innovating heavily to evolve the genre into something new. So, basically, it's roots are to let go of it's roots. ;) This is why I love the series - you don't end up playing the same old thing over and over. Sometimes it hits, sometimes it misses, but at least they try to shake things up unlike most major games in the industry.

Still, obviously they'll need to involve chocobos and stuff. I think things like the Iron Giant scene show that it most defintely still has the FF vibe.

[nirojan]

As for FFXV, I thought it looked sweet but I just hope it keeps to its roots. It looked more like Assassins Creed gamepley than classic FF. We'll see. Still paranoid about the series after FFXIII.



Old chool FAN HATEROADE!

Best looking Final Fantasy game EVAR! But of course the hate train "This doesn't look like FF" has to roll around. Good thing SE is moving forward in this direction. They have turn based games and whatever on other platforms. Go check em out. Stop complaining that the new AAA titles aren't using a combat system from the 80's and 90's. This may seem like counter-whining on my part, but this was probably the best thing the Japanese side of SE has put out in a decade or more and it's total BS that there are some FF fans deriding it before it even comes out.

[Rocket Edge]

Final Fantasy's roots involve constantly reinventing itself and innovating heavily to evolve the genre into something new. So, basically, it's roots are to let go of it's roots. ;) This is why I love the series - you don't end up playing the same old thing over and over. Sometimes it hits, sometimes it misses, but at least they try to shake things up unlike most major games in the industry.

Still, obviously they'll need to involve chocobos and stuff. I think things like the Iron Giant scene show that it most defintely still has the FF vibe.
Yeah well I'm all for the FF series reinventing itself but I was more having a gripe with was gameplay wise. Maybe i'm just scarred from XIII but because I was that disappointed with it I'm skeptical about XV. I think it looks great and everything but I'm not the biggest fan of action adventure games - just hope this resembles the gameplay of past FF's before XIII (XII ideally), and not as linear.


Old chool FAN HATEROADE!

Best looking Final Fantasy game EVAR! But of course the hate train "This doesn't look like FF" has to roll around. Good thing SE is moving forward in this direction. They have turn based games and whatever on other platforms. Go check em out. Stop complaining that the new AAA titles aren't using a combat system from the 80's and 90's. This may seem like counter-whining on my part, but this was probably the best thing the Japanese side of SE has put out in a decade or more and it's total BS that there are some FF fans deriding it before it even comes out.
Relax there lad. I'm anything but a hater, just voicing my concerns (read above). I'm not a retro fanboy either. I just don't want FF to become a game that goes against the type of games that it used to produce.

[Slothy]

Kinda gutted about that mandatory subscription for online gaming, now I'll have to pay for online console gaming. Gutted.

The day I pay extra for access to basic features to a game I paid good money for is the day I quit gaming.

[Loony BoB]

You're about to quit gaming!?

EDIT: No idea if you actually play multiplayer, mind you. :p

[Slothy]

No I'm not going to quit gaming because I'm not going to pay extra to get to play multiplayer. :colbert:

EDIT: I should probably add though, that while I hate the idea of multiplayer being locked behind a subscription fee with every fiber of my being, PS+ is at least worth the fee for the other services it offers alone. I haven't had it since through first year they offered it but I definitely got more than my moneys worth at the time. It seems its only improved since. I'd be a lot more bothered paying for Xbox Live than PS+.

[Madame Adequate]

PS4 is not region locked.

The best news so far.


Beats repeating. I wake up and find Sony went and hammered another nail into MS's coffin, giving no fucks that none were needed.

[DK]

Yep I'm going back to suckling on mommy Sony's rosy teat for sure. Get me some comedy cheap Jap PS4 and then get my games imported by my boy Stan. Hell to the yes.

[Madame Adequate]

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[Pumpkin]

I'm exited! I've always liked the PlayStation consoles. I probably won't be able to afford one when it's released, but maybe next year.

[Pike]

So I missed this because I was in bed. I guess Sony won?

What major things do I need to know about?

[Loony BoB]

See the first post, there's a summary. =]

[Pike]

See the first post, there's a summary. =]

Got it. xD

It does sound like Sony trounced everyone else. Nothing to tear me away from being a primarily PC gamer to be honest, but they're definitely winning the console race at this point.

[Dr. rydrum2112]

As for FFXV, I thought it looked sweet but I just hope it keeps to its roots. It looked more like Assassins Creed gamepley than classic FF. We'll see. Still paranoid about the series after FFXIII.



Old chool FAN HATEROADE!

Best looking Final Fantasy game EVAR! But of course the hate train "This doesn't look like FF" has to roll around. Good thing SE is moving forward in this direction. They have turn based games and whatever on other platforms. Go check em out. Stop complaining that the new AAA titles aren't using a combat system from the 80's and 90's. This may seem like counter-whining on my part, but this was probably the best thing the Japanese side of SE has put out in a decade or more and it's total BS that there are some FF fans deriding it before it even comes out.

is it really a surprise it is the "Best looking Final Fantasy game EVAR!"??? It is on the most advanced system... meaningless statement. And you can not possible know NOW that this is "the best thing the Japanese side of SE has put out in a decade or more".

All you can say is that YOU think you will like it. I like Rocket will prefer not to go crazy over a tiny demo on a game that is 7 years old, and reserve there right to not be overly optimistic about it. Sure it looks like it could be good, but we don't know anything yet.

[Shauna]

Only thing I'm a bit miffed about here is the addition of required PS+ subscriptions for going online to multiplay. However, AFAIK, it's cheaper than LIVE and has better stuff to go along with it, and XBone+LIVE is still like £100+ more expensive than PS4+PS+ (for one year of subscription).

Not that I game online very often. Buuut if everyone I know is crowding onto the PS4, then it might just be worth my time/cash. :3

[Nicolas]

This is just getting mean now (http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/sonys-playstation-4-eye-is-a-59-add-on-ps4-packs-a-500gb-hdd/). Not only do they have a cheaper accessory, but they HDD is swappable. As far as paying for the online, it's expected. There have been rumors for a while, but it now gives the people that have already been paying for PS+ a slight motivation to maintain it besides it already being an incredible service.

Gotta love being an early adopter.

[Aulayna]

You know, it's bad form to post that as though it is fact when even the article itself says Sony hasn't confirmed this. :p

Hence the "it seems" considering it was in their own video.

It's also subsequently been confirmed.

http://kotaku.com/third-party-publishers-will-have-final-say-on-used-game-512643240

That article also highlights that it's down to the publishers themselves to determine their used-game models. So it's possible that third-party games on the PS4 may have DRM similar to the forced one on XBONE.

[Nicolas]

You know, it's bad form to post that as though it is fact when even the article itself says Sony hasn't confirmed this. :p

Hence the "it seems" considering it was in their own video.

It's also subsequently been confirmed.

http://kotaku.com/third-party-publishers-will-have-final-say-on-used-game-512643240

That article also highlights that it's down to the publishers themselves to determine their used-game models. So it's possible that third-party games on the PS4 may have DRM similar to the forced one on XBONE.

True. Tretton's statement seems like it's really 'more of the same' vs forced DRM. XBox One is forced from the console. PS4 is basically a more powerful PS3... not much is changing in that aspect.

[nirojan]

As for FFXV, I thought it looked sweet but I just hope it keeps to its roots. It looked more like Assassins Creed gamepley than classic FF. We'll see. Still paranoid about the series after FFXIII.



Old chool FAN HATEROADE!

Best looking Final Fantasy game EVAR! But of course the hate train "This doesn't look like FF" has to roll around. Good thing SE is moving forward in this direction. They have turn based games and whatever on other platforms. Go check em out. Stop complaining that the new AAA titles aren't using a combat system from the 80's and 90's. This may seem like counter-whining on my part, but this was probably the best thing the Japanese side of SE has put out in a decade or more and it's total BS that there are some FF fans deriding it before it even comes out.

is it really a surprise it is the "Best looking Final Fantasy game EVAR!"??? It is on the most advanced system... meaningless statement. And you can not possible know NOW that this is "the best thing the Japanese side of SE has put out in a decade or more".

All you can say is that YOU think you will like it. I like Rocket will prefer not to go crazy over a tiny demo on a game that is 7 years old, and reserve there right to not be overly optimistic about it. Sure it looks like it could be good, but we don't know anything yet.

well they showed gameplay:
FINAL FANTASY XV - Battle Gameplay First Look (E3 2013) - YouTube (http://youtu.be/LBilT83Uq4A)

IT'S THE TEAM THAT MAKES KH, why are you expecting it to be anything other than a ARPG? Are you people waiting for some glorious FF6/FF7 return to turn based combat?

And as someone who bought all the major SE games over the past few years (FFXIII, XIII-2, XIV) and even their PSP offering right upto the end, I can say with confidence that they have set the bar LOW. Can't get much crappier then whats been sh*tted out so far. The Eidos division of their company has nothing but my sincerest respects.

[Skyblade]

As for FFXV, I thought it looked sweet but I just hope it keeps to its roots. It looked more like Assassins Creed gamepley than classic FF. We'll see. Still paranoid about the series after FFXIII.



Old chool FAN HATEROADE!

Best looking Final Fantasy game EVAR! But of course the hate train "This doesn't look like FF" has to roll around. Good thing SE is moving forward in this direction. They have turn based games and whatever on other platforms. Go check em out. Stop complaining that the new AAA titles aren't using a combat system from the 80's and 90's. This may seem like counter-whining on my part, but this was probably the best thing the Japanese side of SE has put out in a decade or more and it's total BS that there are some FF fans deriding it before it even comes out.

is it really a surprise it is the "Best looking Final Fantasy game EVAR!"??? It is on the most advanced system... meaningless statement. And you can not possible know NOW that this is "the best thing the Japanese side of SE has put out in a decade or more".

All you can say is that YOU think you will like it. I like Rocket will prefer not to go crazy over a tiny demo on a game that is 7 years old, and reserve there right to not be overly optimistic about it. Sure it looks like it could be good, but we don't know anything yet.

well they showed gameplay:
FINAL FANTASY XV - Battle Gameplay First Look (E3 2013) - YouTube (http://youtu.be/LBilT83Uq4A)

IT'S THE TEAM THAT MAKES KH, why are you expecting it to be anything other than a ARPG? Are you people waiting for some glorious FF6/FF7 return to turn based combat?

And as someone who bought all the major SE games over the past few years (FFXIII, XIII-2, XIV) and even their PSP offering right upto the end, I can say with confidence that they have set the bar LOW. Can't get much crappier then whats been sh*tted out so far. The Eidos division of their company has nothing but my sincerest respects.

I definitely don't have a problem with ARPGs. I just hope that we still have the "RPG" elements in it. However pretty it is, however fun it is to play, I want people to talk to, towns to explore, and sidequests to go on. And that, unfortunately, is what we have not yet seen in the trailers.

[Aulayna]

I definitely don't have a problem with ARPGs. I just hope that we still have the "RPG" elements in it. However pretty it is, however fun it is to play, I want people to talk to, towns to explore, and sidequests to go on. And that, unfortunately, is what we have not yet seen in the trailers.

Both of these points have been touched on in interviews today - the world is apparently pretty epic and open world in scope and whilst the game is an action RPG they are trying hard to keep the FF feel:

Eyes on Final Fantasy - An Interview with Tetsuya Nomura about KH1.5/KH3/FFXV - #E32013 (http://home.eyesonff.com/content/2600-interview-tetsuya-nomura-about-kh1-5-kh3-ffxv-e32013.html)
Eyes on Final Fantasy - The Future of Final Fantasy - Press Conference - #E32013 (http://home.eyesonff.com/content/2597-future-final-fantasy-press-conference-e32013.html)

[Skyblade]

I definitely don't have a problem with ARPGs. I just hope that we still have the "RPG" elements in it. However pretty it is, however fun it is to play, I want people to talk to, towns to explore, and sidequests to go on. And that, unfortunately, is what we have not yet seen in the trailers.

Both of these points have been touched on in interviews today - the world is apparently pretty epic and open world in scope and whilst the game is an action RPG they are trying hard to keep the FF feel:

Eyes on Final Fantasy - An Interview with Tetsuya Nomura about KH1.5/KH3/FFXV - #E32013 (http://home.eyesonff.com/content/2600-interview-tetsuya-nomura-about-kh1-5-kh3-ffxv-e32013.html)
Eyes on Final Fantasy - The Future of Final Fantasy - Press Conference - #E32013 (http://home.eyesonff.com/content/2597-future-final-fantasy-press-conference-e32013.html)

Well, good.

And I do understand that "walking around town talking to people" isn't usually what one would put in a trailer. But I have to admit, had they had such a section in the FFXV trailer, I would have stood up an applauded.

[Bolivar]

I'm just happy the game's coming out, but I would go a step further than Skyblade. I don't want them to stop with giving us towns to walk around and talk in, because we shouldn't have to ask for that as RPG fans. I want them to give us more to do than fight monsters and talk to people. I still enjoy FFVII to this day because the characters are constantly doing different things, whether that's driving a motorcycle, running an excavation operation, or surviving an arctic expedition. It's the variety in gameplay that made JRPGs a special genre in the late 90s, to me, and would really make me ecstatic about this game.

[Pheesh]

It's going to cost $549 in Australia.

I am so sick of this shit u_u

[Loony BoB]

It's going to cost $549 in Australia.

I am so sick of this trout u_u
Eh, that's not bad. It's cheaper than it is in the UK going by today's rates.

[Pheesh]

I'm more annoyed about the price compared to what Americans will be paying for it. Even if you include their sales tax and whatnot.

[Pike]

I'm more annoyed about the price compared to what Americans will be paying for it. Even if you include their sales tax and whatnot.

Some of us Americans don't even have sales tax :smug:

[Loony BoB]

Yeah, I know what you mean on that one, Phil. :( 20% sales tax over here is what did it for us, I imagine.

[Pheesh]

Australia has 10% GST, I don't know where the other $100 they're charging us on top of that is coming from.

[Pumpkin]

Oh gosh, I forgot about sales tax.

I'll never be able to afford anything :(.

[Night Fury]

It's going to cost $549 in Australia.

I am so sick of this trout u_u

$274.50 for you /smug

[Ouch!]

No reason to buy a PS4 in Australia. Amazon has already said that if you pre-order through the US site, they'll ship the console to Australia for $15. Since the console will not be region-locked, you can purchase NA versions of the games. Even with shipping, you'll probably still come in under bloated Australian prices.

[Rostum]

Australia has 10% GST, I don't know where the other $100 they're charging us on top of that is coming from.

High import taxes.

[Pumpkin]

Does anyone know if the PS4 is going to play PS1,2, and 3 games?

[Shauna]

It is not backwards compatible, but they are looking into their Gaikai streaming service, which will (they hope) stream all previous generations of Sony video games.

[Pumpkin]

Oh :(.

[Loony BoB]

Not including backwards compatibility is their way of saying "Hey, we don't want this console to cost a few hundred dollars more." I'm happy with that, I already own a PS3 and don't want to pay for it all over again. :p

[Bolivar]

I kind of feel like a company of Sony's character has no excuse not to have the illest possible emulators of their old systems.

[Croyles]

Back to the double life.
PlayStation European TV Commercial: &#39;Double Life&#39; - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bqq38WZctA)

[Dr. rydrum2112]

I kind of feel like a company of Sony's character has no excuse not to have the illest possible emulators of their old systems.

I don't get why they wouldn't build their own software emulation and sell that. Makes no sense to me.

[I Don't Need A Name]

Rather than starting a new thread for a rumour, I'll post it here instead:

Seems that Sony's 'Holiday Season' actually meant closer to Thanksgiving Holiday

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/10158_536120676425570_2070130690_n.jpg

[Croyles]

Rather than starting a new thread for a rumour, I'll post it here instead:

Seems that Sony's 'Holiday Season' actually meant closer to Thanksgiving Holiday

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/10158_536120676425570_2070130690_n.jpg

Probably just a placeholder date, but would be good.

Also, did you take that picture yourself? Media Markt is a German chain.

[I Don't Need A Name]

I did not, it was posted by the UK Official Playstation Magazine (http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2013/06/20/ps4-release-date-november-13th-say-euro-retailers/)