The Movie Club - Week #6: Children of Men (Vivi22's Pick)

[Shorty]

Who wants to start a movie club? I know we have a "last movie you watched thread" but maybe we could organize a once-a-week movie to watch and report back on?

Idea: We take turns choosing the film in order of having joined the club. Once we reach the end of the turns list, we start over in turns of members except in case of someone new joining - then they get to cut.

Yes/No?

Member List:
1. Shorty - Raiders of the Lost Ark
2. Jinx - Starship Troopers
3. Pantz - Network
4. Calliope - Boy
5. Nicolas - Waking Life
6. Vivi22 - Children of Men
7. Denmark
8. Tasura
9. Formalhaut
10. ZonkoTony
11. Spuuky
12. Mercen-X
13. Del Murder
14. Loony BoB
15. Elite Lord Sigma
16. Araciel
17. noxious.sunshine
18. Shiny
19. Shauna

[Jinx]

Count me in! :D

[Shauna]

This could be pretty cool. Would give me an excuse to watch movies more often.

[Rantz]

I'm game!

[Spuuky]

I only like movie clubs when I am the only person who picks what to watch.

[Shorty]

Damn you, Spuuky!

[Calliope]

It's true. I was considering making a thread like this because I am interested in working my way through the IMDB/Rotten Tomatoes top 250. What would the first movie be?

[Nicolas]

I'm game. I've too many to watch and am terrible at deciding. This'll make the world easier... to an extent.

[Del Murder]

We tried this once before but the movie the 'club' chose was one of the most awful things I've ever seen.

[Slothy]

I am in.

[Shorty]

We tried this once before but the movie the 'club' chose was one of the most awful things I've ever seen.

What was it? The one where everyone landed on Pokemon?


It's true. I was considering making a thread like this because I am interested in working my way through the IMDB/Rotten Tomatoes top 250. What would the first movie be?

I prefer the AFI 100 (http://www.afi.com/100years/movies.aspx) :love: Citizen Kane goes first, then Casablanca, then The Godfather, always!

As for the first movie, I want to start out with something awesome. Raiders of the Lost Ark is one of my favorites and I've been meaning to watch it again for a while, so now seems a good a time as any. (and it's on those lists!)

[Nicolas]

I'd almost have to go with Calliope and do either IMDB's or Rotten Tomatoes because it encompasses a wider range of films. AFI is more exclusively American cinema. One part of this club should be a bit of diversity in the choice and not sectioning off into one genre/category/country/etc. It also doesn't help that the AFI list if from 1998, which leaves 15 years of unaccounted movies. Not exactly the type of list that should be taken into consideration anymore. ;o

EDIT: There is a newer list from 2007 for AFI too (http://www.afi.com/Docs/100Years/100Movies.pdf). ;p

[Denmark]

i'll say i'm in so Sam doesn't watch cool movies during the day without me D:

[Tasura]

Could be fun. So count me in.

[Formalhaut]

This could be pretty cool. Would give me an excuse to watch movies more often.

Or in my case, catch up with pretty much every movie I have never seen. Quite the long list.

Sign me up!

[Shorty]

I'd almost have to go with Calliope and do either IMDB's or Rotten Tomatoes because it encompasses a wider range of films. AFI is more exclusively American cinema. One part of this club should be a bit of diversity in the choice and not sectioning off into one genre/category/country/etc. It also doesn't help that the AFI list if from 1998, which leaves 15 years of unaccounted movies. Not exactly the type of list that should be taken into consideration anymore. ;o

EDIT: There is a newer list from 2007 for AFI too (http://www.afi.com/Docs/100Years/100Movies.pdf). ;p

To be clear, we're not picking directly from top lists of movies. Everyone pick what you what.

[ZonkoTony]

Yes! Any club Jinx joins is good enough for me! Right, Jinx?

[Spuuky]

Wait, if I sign up, I'm allowed to pick a movie that everyone else has to watch, but I can just say I've watched?

I changed my mind, please add me to the list.

[Shorty]

You can just say you've watch it. How would we know?

Be kind to us, Spuuky.

[Spuuky]

Don't you worry your little head about that. I'm well-known for my kindness around these parts.

I've already selected my movie, and I eagerly anticipate everyone's viewing of it.

[Mercen-X]

I could probably do this.

[Del Murder]

We tried this once before but the movie the 'club' chose was one of the most awful things I've ever seen.

What was it? The one where everyone landed on Pokemon?
Nah, I love the Pokemon movie. That would have been a great pick. I think the movie was called Hobo with a Shotgun. Hobo should have taken his shotgun to whoever decided to make that movie. Absolutely horrendous.

As long as this group on focuses on the classics or popcorn films with mainstream appeal then I'll go for it. But I'm not interested in watching somebody's favorite indy 'cult following' movie.

[Spuuky]

As long as this group on focuses on the classics or popcorn films with mainstream appeal then I'll go for it. But I'm not interested in watching somebody's favorite indy 'cult following' movie.
Such cowardice is unbecoming of a fine gentleman such as yourself.

You should make an exception for my movie, when we get there.

[Del Murder]

It's not cowardice, I just have better things to do than watch movies about excessive gore or moody people. I'll make an exception if you make one for mine, which will likely star Nicolas Cage.

[Shorty]

If it's Raising Arizona, I'd like to get in on this.

[Tasura]

We tried this once before but the movie the 'club' chose was one of the most awful things I've ever seen.

What was it? The one where everyone landed on Pokemon?
Nah, I love the Pokemon movie. That would have been a great pick. I think the movie was called Hobo with a Shotgun. Hobo should have taken his shotgun to whoever decided to make that movie. Absolutely horrendous.

As long as this group on focuses on the classics or popcorn films with mainstream appeal then I'll go for it. But I'm not interested in watching somebody's favorite indy 'cult following' movie.

But, but, Hobo with a Shotgun was great D=. Or maybe I only thought so because it was filmed int eh city where I went to university. But still. D=

[Loony BoB]

Hmm. Put me down for this, although I will say that with FFXIV releasing and the wedding coming up, there may be some weeks I'll miss.

When will the first 'week' be? I'd love for it to be this week, if only because FFXIV is out next week (Saturday). xD

[Elite Lord Sigma]

I don't watch much film as it is, so this is as good an excuse as any to expand my horizons. The first few weeks might be iffy since I have to prepare for the MCATs in September, but I should be able to find time.

I do have a question, though: are "so bad it's good" films fair game for this club?

[Rantz]

I say let's stay away from the "so bad it's good" movies. I can enjoy them as much as anyone but I don't think a movie club is the right forum for them.

[Araciel]

O alright

[Del Murder]

I say let's stay away from the "so bad it's good" movies. I can enjoy them as much as anyone but I don't think a movie club is the right forum for them.
Yeah, like I said, I think we should focus on movies with mass appeal, at least at first. Someone could always make a thread for your favorite obscure or 'bad' movies if you want to discuss those.

[Spuuky]

It's not cowardice, I just have better things to do than watch movies about excessive gore or moody people. I'll make an exception if you make one for mine, which will likely star Nicolas Cage.I have bad news for you; a lot of movies about excessive gore or moody people are mainstream, popular films.

For instance, anything recent by Quentin Tarantino is going to be Mainstream Gore. Tons of critically acclaimed mainstream Hollywood movies are about moody characters, like Garden State and Lost in Translation and whatever there are hundreds of examples.

[Del Murder]

Did you watch Hobo with a Shotgun?

[Spuuky]

Did you watch Hobo with a Shotgun?No, but I've seen Machete. It's a movie made from a fake trailer for a "Grindhouse" film; it's going to be on one of the edges of the cinematic experience. But there's a lot more to movies than the Avengers.

Most movies (and certainly most good movies) aren't going to be mainstream "popcorn" films. Nor should the movies suggested here. The first time someone suggests Iron Man or whatever here, I'm going to roll my eyes and die a little bit more inside.

[Del Murder]

In the end, people can suggest any movie they want, and we don't all have to watch it.

[Shorty]

That's true. The more members we have, though, the more a chance there will be that atleast a few people will watch the pick of the week and then we can engage in discussion about it.

[Spuuky]

In the end, people can suggest any movie they want, and we don't all have to watch it.How non-confrontational of you. You're right, people can have terrible taste, if they're so inclined, too.

The point of joining something like this, though, would be to expand your taste and watch movies you wouldn't pick to watch on your own.

[Del Murder]

I did try to expand my taste last time! It resulted in one of the most horrible things I've ever seen. It wasn't just the gore (I appreciate a good Tarantino flick), the movie itself was just awful. I even gave it an extra 30 minutes in an effort to 'expand my tastes'. I still resent the people who voted for that movie. It traumatized me and I'll never get those minutes back. :(

[Spuuky]

I did try to expand my taste last time! It resulted in one of the most horrible things I've ever seen. It wasn't just the gore (I appreciate a good Tarantino flick), the movie itself was just awful. I even gave it an extra 30 minutes in an effort to 'expand my tastes'. I still resent the people who voted for that movie. It traumatized me and I'll never get those minutes back. :(Well, as I said, I haven't actually seen that one. And yes, if you try to expand your tastes, you'll discover some things you don't like. The point is to watch them and judge; if you watch even just a single movie of a particular style, you can often get an idea as to whether you'd like to watch more movies in that style. If so, then it is worthwhile; if not, you've only wasted the time of one single movie.

[Del Murder]

I'm usually pretty open minded, but that incident caused me to seriously question if my tastes and those of most of the members here align. We'll find out with our movie picks for this club!

[Formalhaut]

If it's horror, even 'thriller' type horror, count me out. The most horror filled I can go up to is the Woman in Black.

[noxious.sunshine]

I wanna be in it!!!!

[Jinx]

I hope you all know that every movie I choose will feature Mr. DiCaprio.

[noxious.sunshine]

Yeaahhh we figured.

[Jinx]

Yeaahhh we figured.

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[Slothy]

So long as it isn't Titanic I'll probably even watch it.

[Spuuky]

So long as it isn't Titanic I'll probably even watch it.Yeah, he has actually been in some movies that are pretty good. For instance, some people really like The Departed, even though it's a significant downgrade from the movie it's a remake of.

[Jinx]

So long as it isn't Titanic


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[Shiny]

Put me down plz

[Shorty]

I think we have more than plenty to get the ball rolling. This week's movie is Raiders of the Lost Ark. Watch it when you can, post discussion points, highlights, things you liked, things you don't. Talk about what a badass Harrison Ford is. Cutoff point is end of day Sunday (for whatever timezone you are in).

Jinx, please start deciding which film you'd like to pick for the following week. Let's all have our movies ready in advance so we don't have to do any waiting.

[Spuuky]

I think we have more than plenty to get the ball rolling. This week's movie is Raiders of the Lost Ark. Watch it when you can, post discussion points, highlights, things you liked, things you don't. Talk about what a badass Harrison Ford is. Cutoff point is end of day Saturday (for whatever timezone you are in).

Jinx, please start deciding which film you'd like to pick for the following week. Let's all have our movies ready in advance so we don't have to do any waiting.Does this one have Leonardo Dicaprio in it? IMDB doesn't seem to mention him. I feel like I've been mislead. I only joined assuming every movie everyone chose would have him in it.

Anyway I've seen this movie (obviously) and the highlight (also obviously) is this:
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[Formalhaut]

Ah awesome! I've never seen this film. Can't wait to somehow grab a hold of it and watch it!

[Shorty]

I can safely and happily say that there is not one ounce of DiCaprio in this film.

[Jinx]

Is everyone okay with using torrents?

[noxious.sunshine]

Put me down plz

Put you down? like... Euthanize you? XD

I'm no Dr. Karvorkian, but....

Also.

Torrents or BUST.

[Jinx]

Well, I think it should be established. I don't know if everyone here uses/feels comfortable using torrents.

[Shorty]

The Eyes on Final Fantasy Staff would never condone such a thing. Please acquire this film by whatever means you may.

[Jinx]

Well, then in THAT case, my movie pick is definitely 2013's The Great Gatsby. It comes out OFFICIALLY on the 27th, but yar har, you scallywags...

[Shorty]

Can you find torrents before the DVD release date?

[Jinx]

Yes, ma'am. A lot of movies/tv shows are leaked these days before the DVD release. Regardless, it comes out in 6 days.

[Shorty]

god is it that far into august already

[Araciel]

I already just watched Gatsby .. but I wouldn't mind tearing it apart because I hate it so.

will watch raiders tonight or tomollow

[Spuuky]

I don't think you can reasonably suggest a movie that is impossible to acquire legally. Sure, obviously some (or most) people will pirate these movies, but suggesting something that can't possibly be bought or rented seems over the line.

[Jinx]

IT COMES OUT IN 6 DAYS AND THERE WILL BE A WEEK BEFORE YOU WATCH IT

[Formalhaut]

Heck, torrenting would be mostly my only way of watching some/most of these films :P

[Del Murder]

Excellent first choice. I have seen this movie about 50 times and I will gladly watch it again, as everyone should.

And Spuuky is wrong, this is the best part of the movie:

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[Spuuky]

IT COMES OUT IN 6 DAYS AND THERE WILL BE A WEEK BEFORE YOU WATCH ITWhat if the book is really bad and boring so we don't really want to watch a movie about it?

[noxious.sunshine]

kat.ph

thepiratebay.sx

[Shorty]

I like the part when Marion clocks him. Also, the bar fight scene in itself is pretty damn good.

[Araciel]

Publichd is better, Nox

[Jinx]

Am actually looking forward to this week's suggestion, as I've never seen it.

[Araciel]

I've never watched it all the way through

[Shorty]

WHAT

[Nicolas]

Guess I'll watch this movie tonight and post about it either later or tomorrow. Decent choice though.

And be careful with your movie choices, I may exclusively choose Criterion Collection films just to make you all suffer.:D ... or other movies. It'll be a while before you get to me.

Oh, as far as movie releases go, most online sites tend to have the downloads up when the movies are released digitally on iTunes, Amazon, etc. The BD/DVD releases tend to follow about a week or two down the road.

[Spuuky]

And be careful with your movie choices, I may exclusively choose Criterion Collection films just to make you all suffer.:DI don't understand. There a lot of great movies there?

[Nicolas]

I don't understand. There a lot of great movies there?

There are tons of great films in there, but many of them are slow, boring, and mostly a chore to watch. Many of the films I'd choose would come from there anyway, since I like most of them. Also, unless you have Hulu, some of them can be rather difficult to find.

[noxious.sunshine]

Publichd is better, Nox

Oooo I'll check it out!

I'll download and watch tomorrow.

[Araciel]

WHAT

This is why im glad it was chosen

[Calliope]

I think I have my pick already, but we'll see what I choose when the time comes.

I will keep an eye on this thread but I'm not sure I will be a terribly active member of this club, as I see little value in rewatching a mainstream film that I've seen before countless times and is unlikely to offer anything new. There are exceptions, of course, but that's why they call those "favourites". I will be interested to see what everyone selects.

[Nicolas]

A fun movie to watch, but that's about it. This round goes to you, Karen Allen.

[Shiny]

I will make you all suffer through something exploitative and hard to find.

[Araciel]

Our turns are so far into the future ..I have no idea what I'll choose.

[Nicolas]

I will make you all suffer through something exploitative and hard to find.

Hey, that's what I wanna do. =/

[Del Murder]

My pick will have been directed by one of the following:

Michael Bay
Jerry Bruckheimer
John Woo

[Shorty]

Club is now closed and Del Murder has been booted from the ranks. TB to follow if she makes us watch Titanic.



kidding but really my god

[Del Murder]

Hey now, keep an open mind, expose yourself to other tastes, etc etc

[Shorty]

You can expose yourself right out the do-

No, that didn't end up going where I wanted it to go.

[Shiny]

My pick will have been directed by one of the following:

Michael Bay
Jerry Bruckheimer
John Woo
:objection:

The other two are at least some what tolerable.

[Del Murder]

Yeah he was thrown in there just to troll. He hasn't even directed a Nic Cage movie to my knowledge.

[Rantz]

The Bayyyys! Oh god not the Bayyyyyyyyyyys!

[Spooniest]

I would love to, but I don't have access to movies, as my connection is far too slow.

Plus, I'd just suggest something stupid like Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie. And then everyone would look at me over their glasses and say "Hmmmm...tolerable."

[Loony BoB]

Regarding the "what restrictions are we under" discussion - I'd prefer we only go for movies that have been released on DVD/Blu-Ray. I'm not going to pay for a cinema ticket to go see something unless I really, really want to see it, and I'm not going to download some cheap camcorder-in-the-cinema torrent, either.

Pretty sure I know what my choice will be. Not my favourite film of all time, but something that few of you would have already seen.

[Spuuky]

Club is now closed and Del Murder has been booted from the ranks. TB to follow if she makes us watch Titanic.Come on now. John Woo has made some legitimately great movies. Red Cliff (at least, in its Asian form - I've never seen the abridged single-movie American release) is pretty top-quality and something I'd seriously consider recommending myself for this.

Also a lot of his early late 80's/early 90's stuff is really good.

[Nicolas]

Club is now closed and Del Murder has been booted from the ranks. TB to follow if she makes us watch Titanic.Come on now. John Woo has made some legitimately great movies. Red Cliff (at least, in its Asian form - I've never seen the abridged single-movie American release) is pretty top-quality and something I'd seriously consider recommending myself for this.

Also a lot of his early late 80's/early 90's stuff is really good.

They really are. Hard Boiled comes to mind.

[Spuuky]

This post may contain mild spoilers or may not, and I don't really care, so read it at your own peril. Can you even spoil a movie like this?

This movie is really a reflection of a couple of things that are exceedingly prevalent in American cinema. It isn't a perfect, straightforward example of it, like Die Hard might be, but it's up there. Americans, as shown by their movies, care about a few things in particular more than other cultures do:

1. Individualism is Best
2. Government Conspiracies/Laws and Bureacracy Are Bad
3. Underdogs Must Win

Now, other cultures can certainly care about these things also; some care about particular elements a lot. But in American movies in particular, these are HIGHLY dominant traits, especially and most obviously in action films. Indiana Jones basically hits the nail(s) on the head here.

First off, he's clearly "in it for himself." He works alone, he's not part of some team, and he's trying to find things for his personal enrichment (in his case in particular, mostly knowledge). He isn't trying to achieve a greater good for society in particular. He's unique, non-conformist, and a Solo Badass Hero like so many others in movies.

Second, like most action heroes, rules and regulations don't apply to him; he needs to fight through the red tape to just do what's right, and the Government (almost always the Government) which should be on his side in the fight against the Nazis exists only to slow him down, and box up his Ark. One of the iconic lines of the movie ("Top Men") is a pretty clear and direct indication of the role of Government in this movie and most other American films; it purportedly exists to "help," but in practice it's a giant sinister shadow organization that is probably evil itself and just wants to hinder the Heroic Individual.

Third, most obviously, he's a constant underdog, having to fight off or escape large groups of better-armed people at all times. This one really needs no explanation, but it's worth noting that not all cultures care so much about the lesser, weaker force winning.

And there are guns and fists and stuff, too.

[Mercen-X]

Indiana is a bit of a superstitious nut too, not that it doesn't benefit him. He had no real reason to avoid looking at the Ark as it was opened and no logical reason to assume it was dangerous, but he closed his eyes anyway and told Marion to do the same. It feels as though it demands respect for what might otherwise be dismissed as laughable folklore which was the precise attitude held by Belloq shortly before he and his were slaughtered by supernatural powers.
A surprising fact about the most genre savvy moment in the movie (Indiana shooting the swordsman) is that it was originally scripted to be a long sword battle, but rather than having an epiphany of the character's common sense, the scene was shot due to Ford suffering dysentery. I had never known this and had always fell under the misconception this scene was a deliberate deconstruction of the heroic fight scene.
There is also much ado about nothing over the portrayal of Arabs being shoved up our pipes by people with political agendas to serve. The typical skunking comes in the form of "the Arab/Muslims are portrayed as violent and ignorant." However, the first Muslim we are shown in the movie is, in fact, a family man, a professional, and a good friend to Indiana. Then there is Imam, a scholar, priest, and astronomer who revealed the secrets of the medallion to Indiana.

[noxious.sunshine]

I know what my first pick will be. XD

[Shorty]

Indiana is a bit of a superstitious nut too, not that it doesn't benefit him. He had no real reason to avoid looking at the Ark as it was opened and no logical reason to assume it was dangerous, but he closed his eyes anyway and told Marion to do the same. It feels as though it demands respect for what might otherwise be dismissed as laughable folklore which was the precise attitude held by Belloq shortly before he and his were slaughtered by supernatural powers.

Really? Have you ever actually paid attention to this film? Do you remember at the beginning when he's going on to Brody about how it's all a bunch of hocus pocus and he doesn't believe in curses and whatnot? Indy is anything but a superstitious nut. He's observant and intelligent and he understands how the bible and all that folklore was written and what it must mean if he were in the actual presence of the ark. The whole point of Indy's realization to close his eyes is to be humble when in presence of the lord, which is something that if anyone were in the presence of the ark (which is an artifact in representation of god himself) should probably be smart enough to guess.


A deleted scene was shot where Imam, the wise man translating the markings on the headpiece of the Staff of Ra also translates another set of markings, which gives a warning about not looking into the Ark. Since this scene is not in the movie, it is a little confusing as to how Indy knew that he could only survive the opening of the Ark by closing his eyes. Perhaps he simply remembered the picture of the Ark he showed to the army officers; in it, an entire army is decimated, but the people carrying the Ark remain unaffected. So he may have concluded that opening the Ark is not necessarily deadly to anyone in close proximity, and that it is the visual contact that was deadly. Another option is that he remembered a relevant passage from the Bible (1 Samuel 6:19), where God "smote" the men of Beth Shemesh for looking into the Ark. Plus, there's a brief moment when Marcus Brody says the light from the Ark could lay waste to everything it touched, further warning of the Ark's power.

[Spuuky]

Given his Biblical knowledge it's by far more likely that he simply knows the relevant Bible passages.

He isn't a supernatural believer, though. It's only logical to close your eyes when they're opening it; either it disintegrates everyone but you (because your eyes are closed) or nothing happens, in which case it makes no difference that your eyes were closed. It's exactly what any sane, rational human being would do when presented with a device that they don't understand but have received some instruction (however much you believe it) regarding how to handle it.

[Del Murder]

First off, he's clearly "in it for himself." He works alone, he's not part of some team, and he's trying to find things for his personal enrichment (in his case in particular, mostly knowledge). He isn't trying to achieve a greater good for society in particular. He's unique, non-conformist, and a Solo Badass Hero like so many others in movies.
I disagree. Every treasure he acquires he donates to the museum. His conversation with Brody early on indicates that he will only agree to the adventure as long as the museum gets the ark afterwards. At the end of the movie, he insists that the ark should be studied, and though he doesn't say why, I think it's safe to assume it's because the world needs to understand the power it contains rather than for his own personal gain. Finally, his 'day job' is being a teacher. He clearly values knowledge, but not just for himself. He is fighting for the greater good of knowledge for all.

Also, he doesn't always work alone, even if he probably prefers to. He seems to have no objections to teaming up with Marion, Sallah for a brief while, and he has an established working relationship with Brody. In any case, preferring to work alone doesn't make a person an individualist.

I agree on your other two points, though.

[Spuuky]

Also, he doesn't always work alone, even if he probably prefers to. He seems to have no objections to teaming up with Marion, Sallah for a brief while, and he has an established working relationship with Brody. In any case, preferring to work alone doesn't make a person an individualist.He agrees to work with people mostly because he has no choice. Also, because he likes ladies.

I can see the case that he's trying to achieve something for humanity as a whole, perhaps, but I still think it's more of a personal drive for his own knowledge. Also he wants things given to the museum specifically because of point 2, his distrust of governments and people in power and his fear that they just want to weaponize or control it rather than the other evil government doing the same thing.

[Del Murder]

I think it's more than just mistrust, but that's probably part of it. I think the fact that he's a teacher shows that he cares a lot about education and his adventures to collect rare artifacts are significantly motivated by his desire to educate people.

[Spuuky]

I think it's more than just mistrust, but that's probably part of it. I think the fact that he's a teacher shows that he cares a lot about education and his adventures to collect rare artifacts are significantly motivated by his desire to educate people.Certainly characters are capable of having multiple facets.

The key point of American Individualism, anyway, is 'standing out' rather than 'fitting in' rather than a matter of selfishness vs altruism. And he doesn't conform to anyone's ideas of what he should be doing; he is driven by his own will.

[Araciel]

Still waiting for my "copy" to "arrive"

[Shiny]

Some VOD services offer you to watch a selection of films still in theaters. But yeah I'd only go for something accessible on the internet and/or DVD.

Anyway I will watch this tonight. I missed parts of it when I first viewed it.

[Del Murder]

I will be watching the movie tonight and I will try to report back with something new I discover in my viewing, since I have seen this movie so many times before.

[Del Murder]

My random thoughts:

The opening of this movie is perfect. It sets up Indiana Jones as a character perfectly. Opening with that famous silhouette, Indiana progresses through this whole sequence full of confidence and purpose, while all the other characters show fear and unease. It also establishes the main themes of the movie: treasure hunting, adventure, good versus evil. It even establishes his fear of snakes. I really love it.

I love all the settings in this movie. He goes from a jungle to a city to a mountaintop to a desert. In fact, the four main settings sort of represent the four seasons: Spring (South America), Fall (San Francisco - it always feels like Fall there), Winter (Nepal) and Summer (Egypt).

So here's something I never noticed: Indy almost eats the poison date four times. I only remembered two times. This not only builds suspense but also emphasizes his reckless nature. He goes through many 'close calls' throughout the movie.

The contrast between mysticism and reality is also a main theme of the movie. Indy clearly doesn't believe in the power of the Ark, though most of everyone else he encounters does. In this way he represents us, since we are watching this movie set in the real world and don't really expect the 'mystic powers' of the Ark to be real. However, there are many hints that this is not the case:

Almost everyone but Indiana Jones believes, in some form, in the power of the Ark or at least fears it.
In the scene with the US Army gentlemen, Indy shows a picture of the Ark decimating hundreds of people, clear foreshadowing of something to come.
In the scene with the Egyptian mystic, the mention of 'honoring God' as it is written on the headpiece, causes a mysterious chill to move through the air.
The Ark has a golden glow when they first unearth it.
On the ship, the Ark burns its way through the crate it's in.

Something I never noticed: All the German cars in the chase scene have the Mercedes emblem on them. :p

Seeing Belloq eat the fly always creeps me out.

[Araciel]

I like when he uses the whip

[Shorty]

I remember watching Spiderman 3 and trying so hard to figure out where I had seen Doc Ock's face before. It shocked the trout out of me to remember him as Satipo.

http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/MyWebFilms/Oorlog/RaidersSatipo.jpg

[Del Murder]

Holy smurf.

[Elite Lord Sigma]

So, it's 4 AM, I just woke up after two hours of sleep, and I seem to be having a problem getting back to sleep. I might as well write my impressions; it's the first time I've watched this film in full. At least, it's the first time I remember doing so, and I'm not the sort of person who forgets something like that. Anyway . . .


The opening of this movie is perfect. It sets up Indiana Jones as a character perfectly. Opening with that famous silhouette, Indiana progresses through this whole sequence full of confidence and purpose, while all the other characters show fear and unease. It also establishes the main themes of the movie: treasure hunting, adventure, good versus evil. It even establishes his fear of snakes. I really love it.

You pretty much said everything I wanted to say about the opening scene. As for Indy's fear of snakes, it's all the more humorous that he gets spooked out by his pilot's python (?), considering pythons don't look like the vipers that most people imagine when they think of snakes and are in fact mostly harmless to humans.

While we're talking about snakes, I should talk about the other major scene with snakes in it. Filming this scene was actually a hassle for Steven Spielberg because snakes have the opposite reaction to flame in real life than they do in the movie. Being ectotherms, snakes will actually come close to a flame to keep themselves warm. It became such a problem that Spielberg actually picked up one of the snakes and lectured it for ruining the scene. I believe it's actually on film somewhere.

Ronald Lacey was a perfect choice for the role of Toht. For a character who doesn't speak much outside of his introductory scene, he has a lot of presence because he just looks so much like a slimy, underhanded man. Lacey's previous experience as a stage actor probably helped him bring the character to life. I haven't seen much else of his work, but I can say just from this performance that he was a fine actor who died too young.

Sallah was meant to be played by Danny DeVito, who turned down the role due to scheduling conflicts. However, John Rhys-Davies is a great replacement; it's so much so that I feel the character wouldn't be the same without his booming voice.

The scene where Indy threatens to destroy the Ark is an important one. This is where we see shown to us that Belloq's earlier insinuation that he and Indy are not so different from each other actually holds some water. When Belloq says that Indy wants to see the Ark opened as much as he does, Jones' facial expression tells the audience everything it needs to know.

Overall, the movie is a classic that has withstood the test of time over the past three decades. There are a few minor pacing issues--I think the scene in the tomb with snakes could have been a little shorter--but to nitpick about something so insignificant is pointless. I can confidently give Raiders of the Lost Ark a 10/10.

[Shorty]

Last day to watch! Jinx, please have your movie ready to post after today.

[Shorty]

I'd like to echo the importance of the opening scene and how crucial it is for laying out Indy's character for the rest of the film. He's methodical, observant, intelligent and he knows his game. One of my favorite things about the beginning sequence is that you don't immediately see his face. In fact, you don't see his face for a solid three minutes in; he's just sort of this mysterious person in a strange place followed by seemingly confused folks who keep stopping to exchange looks of bewilderment, but Indy has a purpose and he's going to keep going. (The greatness about this bit is that it intrigues the viewer's curiosity about his quest.) The bit with the poison dart is an especially good one because it's a clue to a) an obvious threat of danger and foretelling of what's to come and b) to Indy's character, who doesn't seem to care about the Hovitos from how he inspects the dart and casually drops it. His concern is the idol. Additionally, the manner in which he speaks about Forestall seems to indicate respect for his competitors, which tells us he has atleast some humility and modesty (which, to me, is an important characteristic in relation to the end ark scene).

I love how Brody respectively cuts Indy off when he initially starts wondering if Marion will be with Abner and refocuses him on the problem at hand (the ark). He's so sensible and delightful at the same time, and is a great confidant for Indiana.

On the flip side, the dilemma Indy is put in with revisiting Marion is a genius one. Her character could have been such an awful excuse for a love interest, but the way she's written really made her a catalyst in Indy's quest for the ark. He's forced to revisit a clearly unpleasant past with her in order to ask her for help. I love dilemmas that force protagonists to do something they normally wouldn't do or that they would be reluctant to do in order to further or aid their quest. (Example: Toy Story - Woody being forced to work with Buzz to get back to Andy.) And I love her spunky personality and her short speech about "everybody's sorry". Something I don't think I ever really took in was how after Indy leaves, she pulls out the medallion and looks at it for a minute. She must be taking in how important it is if Indy's come back to see her all this way and after all this time. And she's faced with her own dilemma for a moment with Indy's cash in one hand and the medallion in the other. She must have been holding onto it because of an association with her father; why else would she keep it around her neck? It seems to me that she's almost choosing between Indy and her father at that moment. Also, the following scene with ze German and the bar fight is one of the best and so important, based on the fact that it directly leads to the Germans to start digging in the place they do - all thanks to Herr Mac burning his hand on Marion's medallion - and additionally leads to Marion teaming up with Indy and going to Cairo.

The scene with Indy in the Well of Souls and Marion dining with Belloq is a great one. Earlier in the movie, we see that Indiana has a fear of snakes with Jacque. Additionally, earlier in the movie we see that Marion can drink her weight in liquor, but now she's dining with Indy's archnemises who is very evil indeed. Both of them are in precarious situations they must deal with and I love the fact that these situations are both finely tuned to each of their characters. It could be said that the fact that they find themselves in these situations is a bit foreshadowed in the movie. Indy's is a bit obvious, in any case.

There seems to be a common theme of humility here that I appreciate, and there are a few major points that I notice them. First, with Indy's respect to Forestall, despite the fact that he was a competitor. Second, Indy swallowing his pride and past to visit Marion and ask for her help. Third, the markings on the back of the medallion that indicate humility and offerings to god. Fourth, when Indy threatens to blow up the ark and Belloq eggs him on to do it but he can't. And lastly, of course, the only way in which to survive the ark.

The way they use shadows in this movie is just great. At the beginning, there are a fair few times when they show Indy's silhouette. At the bar, when he greets Marion, and again, when he and Sallah are moving the ark. Nice alternative camerawork to still show what's going on.

The one complaint that I have is how Indy and Marion escape from the Well of Souls. It makes absolutely no sense for the ancient Egyptians to have placed an "escape route" for such a room, especially not one so obvious as to push through a couple of stone blocks and land in a convenient location. "The name derives from a medieval Islamic legend that at this place the spirits of the dead can be heard awaiting Judgment Day at which time the Ka'aba in Mecca will come here and God's throne will be established on the Stone." It makes no sense for them to have another way out. The only way out is through Judgement!

Aside from that, the story is seamless and it flows, the characters are perfectly written, and the music is absolutely amazing and appropriate. One of the greatest movies of all time. Also, arguably the best Disneyland ride. 10/10 for sure.

Shorty trivia: I thought my dad was Indiana Jones when I was a kid because he was an actor and they look obscenely similar. It made for a confusing childhood.

[Jinx]

Since people were bitching hardcore about watching The Great Gatsby, I'm changing my choice to Starship Troopers.

[Del Murder]

Starship Troopers is an excellent choice. :up:

Shorts: Yeah, when they escaped from the Well of Souls it was out of place and overly convenient. Unfortunately, with movies like this you need a couple of those moments to create danger and suspense but also allow for the heroes to get out of it.

[Shorty]

Sure. And if there had to be something wrong with it, that isn't the worst thing that could have happened.

The fly is the worst thing that could have happened.

[Rantz]

I've never seen Starship Troopers. Looking forward to it!

[Shorty]

Starship Troopers begins today! Haven't seen this in years so I'm excited :love:

[Spuuky]

I can't really figure out which actor is a cinematic pen name for Leo DiC, but even so I think I'll have to skip on watching this one. I've seen it before but I don't have much to say about it.

[Mercen-X]

I remember watching Spiderman 3 and trying so hard to figure out where I had seen Doc Ock's face before. It shocked the trout out of me to remember him as Satipo.Strikes me curiously that this thought occurred to you while watching Spiderman 3...

[Shorty]

In trying to forget I had seen the movie, it seems I forgot which Spiderman it was as well. :greenie:

[Mercen-X]

Starship Troopers is what action fans expect Star Trek to be (and what JJ Abrams subsequently shoots for). There's mention (and display) of tech that's believably within the realm of human invention such as stun vests designed to react to lasers, basic armor that is light and functional while being more durable in a fight (except against bullets, knives, and the main enemy they now wear them to face), spaceships with steering wheels, bionic prosthesis, etc.
The depiction of humanity is more believable as a future version as we are nowhere near the era of peace so optimistically depicted in Star Trek (which is supposed to take place a mere 300-400 years from now). Granted, it uses an alien species as a trigger to militarize the entire planet against a common foe, but the fact remains that military service is basically a requirement to live a happy life unless you were born into a family that could afford to buy a star. Basically, the world reverts to its Medieval era only in hi-tech.
Tropes mentions that Dizzy was originally a dude and both he and Carl died pretty early on in the book. Hmm. I don't think I've ever seen Denise Richards naked. On that unrelated note... good night, folks.

[Shauna]

Just a head's up: Throw me to the end of the list. I am probably not gonna be picking a movie for next week. :3

[Araciel]

Mobile Infantry made me the man I am today

[Shiny]

At first I thought the title said Super Troopers. Either way, I will watch.

[Shorty]

Is this movie really from 1997? I thought it was from the 80's.

Watching tonight! The last time I watched this I was high out of my mind and the only thing I remember is Denise Richards getting stabbed by alien buglegs and I subsequently freaked out.

[Slothy]

Well, in many ways it's a 1997 movie with 1980's sensibilities.

[Shorty]

Perhaps. I don't remember any.

Also, I've heard this is an excellent sci fi book, and I've been meaning to read it. Anything that wins the Hugo award has got my eye for it.

[Jinx]

Rob and I are watching this this weekend.

I love this movie, and legitimately think it is wonderful. Like, LOVE this movie. Seen it so many fucking times. But I have to ask, because I've never found anything giving information either way--does anyone know if this movie was intentionally campy, or if it was made to be actually serious?

[Del Murder]

I think it's pretty obvious that it's intentional, and that's what makes it so great.

[Shorty]

I'm watching this tonight!

[Araciel]

Not having seen any pro-war propaganda films/commercials, I think that's what it's supposed to emulate.

Also NPH

[Rantz]

I haven't had the means to acquire the movie during the past week, so haven't seen it yet. :( Will try to fit it in this week!

My movie pick will be the 1976 movie Network.

[Jinx]

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa196/narcissisticprincess09/johnnyrico_zpscd67a87a.png (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/narcissisticprincess09/media/johnnyrico_zpscd67a87a.png.html)

[Araciel]

Wait is that what vaginas look like?! Good gods..

I like the part where the guy dies.

[Elite Lord Sigma]

I'm planning on giving Starship Troopers a watch tomorrow. Network will probably have to wait until the weekend.

[Shorty]

A few late thoughts on Starship Troopers~

One of the things I like about Starship Troopers is how ahead of itself it was, not only in sci-fi terms, but in terms of equality. I hate to pull the female equivalence issue, but it was sortof refreshing to see high-ranking female officers, non-issues of men and women showering together, females on the football team, etc etc. Film over the years has lightened up on the separation of men and women in such circumstances, but this film was made in 1997, and the fact that it makes non-issues out of things that appear to somewhat still be an issue is refreshing.

Second was violence. I'm not a gore whore and I think over-displays of violence are usually inserted into films in order to draw some sort of mass appeal with special effects and crap like that. There is a damn considerable amount of violence in this film, but it all applies to the story and I don't think any of it was really needless. I also liked how even though there was a lot of violence, the camera didn't really seem to focus on it. For example, when the private gets shot in the head during the training exercise. They show it happening, and you can clearly see it occur. The camera pans back as Rico calls for a medic, and that's that. When the black private's arm gets fired on by the huge bug tanker that comes out of the ground, you watch it disintegrate, and that's that for the shot. I like the fact that the violence is fast-paced and you can catch it happening, but they don't sit there and wallow on the special effects for you to "fully absorb" what's happening. You just kindof have to move right along with it like the characters do. That makes it seem more realistic to me.

Sci fi is my absolute favorite genre. I don't give a trout how campy this movie is, I just love it. I'm surprised at how much I remembered watching it again, but also how much I forgot, I suppose!

also lol joe smith fort

I've never heard of Network! Looking forward to it.

[Shiny]

Ooo, Network is a good pick. I was just thinking of that film yesterday because a promo for the Newsroom came on that reminded me of it. It reads like a dictionary though. No one talks like that.

I have to catch up. Didn't watch Starship Trooper yet and never did so mark spoilers plz? :3

[Denmark]

me, literally the entire time watching starship troopers:

"god dammit johnny rico why didn't you bang dizzy while you two were in high school instead of going after denise richards who was clearly not right for you"

[Jinx]

We really were. Every time Johnny Rico cock-blocked himself, we screamed. And then they had sex and it lasted 20 minutes. And when Dizzy dies she says, "It's okay...because I got to have you." YEAH FOR TWENTY MINUTES SHEESH.

What I love most about Starship Troopers is that it's a great movie in so many ways. If you watch it for the camp and teh lulz, it's so perfect. But if you're seriously sitting down and watching it to enjoy a good movie, it still works!

Plus you get to see Nazi NPH, soooo.

[Shorty]

I am watching this weeks' pick tonight!

[Calliope]

This is my pick, folks! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBC0bEwlEvg)

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Taika & Company made a bunch of promotional videos for the film, and there is one that makes me snicker. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H8PhJFaPfo) I wouldn't describe it as being PC, but that's Shogun for you.

[Del Murder]

Watched Network today. It was very good! Different then any sort of movie I've seen before. The satire was very well done and many parts were hilarious and had Miriel and I laughing hysterically.

I thought Faye Dunaway (Diane) was excellent and I'm not surprised she won the Oscar. It's rare to see such a strong female lead with obvious flaws. The scenes where she was continuing to talk about work through dinner and the walk on the beach and then sex was brilliant.

Peter Finch (Howard Beale) was also great. Miriel commented that Beale was the first Glenn Beck and that's so true, right down to the fear of Arabs! I also never knew the line 'I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!' came from this movie.

The ending had me hanging on a thread to see if they would actually pull it off, and I can't believe that they did! But I guess that's fitting for the type of movie this was.

Also Robert Duvall was excellent as usual. Surprised he didn't get a Supporting Actor nod, but I don't know anything about 1976 movies.

Excellent pick, Rantz.

[Miriel]

:up: on The Network.

I liked the Shakespearean-esque dialogue. Particularly the usage of "cocksmanship".

[Del Murder]

So Nicky's pick is Boy? Is it ok to update the thread? Do people still need time to watch Network (you really should)? Are more than four people even still doing this?

Nicky mentioned this movie a while ago and I completely forgot to watch it, but this week-ish I will do so.

[Shorty]

Updated the thread title! Someone else will most likely need to change the title for next week as I will be unavailable.

Nicky, I'm not certain if I will be able to watch yours before I go :( But I will catch up on it and post my thoughts!

[Calliope]

:stare:

Watch it today!

[Shorty]

My home computer is broken and I cannot type on it. :(

[Foo]

May I join this club?

It seemed fitting once I realized you started out with my favorite movie, Raiders of the Lost Ark.

[Spuuky]

So has anyone actually watched the movie they were asked to watch? I have seen it already (obviously, I guess), and pretty recently at that.

[Del Murder]

I only just watched Starship Troopers so I'm a little behind. But I joined this club with the intention of watching people's favorite movies and gosh darnit I will do that. I'll probably get to Boy this week.

[Nicolas]

I am a little behind as well. And seeing the events of the forum-goers this week, maybe this should be catch up week. Just a thought.

[Del Murder]

A good point. Let's extend Boy for another week!

[Calliope]

Woohoo! Good idea, Nico. I have Network sitting around so perhaps we will watch it tonight, we'll see.

[Shiny]

I never heard of Boy. Eager to see what this is going to be about. I don't like reading too much about a film before I watch it.

[Shorty]

I finally have some free time on my hands so I will catch up witch Rantz's movie and Nicky's movie! Let's let everyone have this week as a freebie and start this up again come next week!

edit: oh, I missed some posts in this thread. Do we need another catchup week?

[Nicolas]

Probably... I still have to watch Boy, which I'm looking forward to. If nobody else needs any catch up, I can list my choice. Either works for me.

[Del Murder]

Watched Boy finally. It was an interesting look at Maori life. A lot of parts were very funny, such as this exchange (made me lol):

Boy (talking about their dad): He even has a Green Beret.
Ruckie: What's that?
Boy: Duh, a type of hat.

Ruckie was my favorite character. I really liked his relationship with the mentally challenged man, and how that man looked out for those boys more than their real father did. Boy kind of annoyed me for the most part, but I liked when he stood up to his dad in the end. Overall, I'm not really into these 'coming of age' stories that focus on relationships rather than plot (in the end nothing really happened), but I found Boy charming for the New Zealand tie-in.

Also, do they just leave little kids alone in New Zealand for days at a time with no adults around?

[Calliope]

His name is Rocky. Man, you're gonna struggle to communicate down there.

And yes, they do.

[Del Murder]

His name is Rocky. Man, you're gonna struggle to communicate down there.
Well it's not like spelling counts.

[Loony BoB]

I'll mostly be watching the movies that I haven't seen already because I tend to dislike watching movies more often than once every five or so years. I've yet to watch Network or Boy, so I'll be sure to catch up at some point... looking forward to 'em.

[Araciel]

... So next week?

[Shorty]

Please!

[Del Murder]

I'm all caught up and need a new pick!

[Calliope]

Watch Man on Wire!

[Del Murder]

Seen it. Next!

[Nicolas]

Ok. I've watched all the movies, and at the moment, I am inebriated and too lazy to type about them. I chose my movie weeks ago though. To make this slightly more self-centered of a post, I will put one more sentence containing the words "I", "me", or "myself".

Go and watch Waking Life (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243017/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) and enjoy the magic of rotoscope.

[Shorty]

Is Waking Life your pick then, Nico? You're up!

[Nicolas]

Yes...?

[Araciel]

No. Hurts my eyes and my brain.

[Shiny]

A Scanner Darkly or gtfo

[Shorty]

Totally taking my sweet time catching up on movies D: Finally watching Boy tonight! Six film festival awards? Very intriguing and I can't wait to watch it.

Vivi, you're up tomorrow! Name your pick.

[Slothy]

I had something in mind, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was after seeing Gravity. So since Gravity was awesome I'll go with the also awesome Children of Men from the same director. Been a long time since I saw it.

[Jinx]

I LOVE CHILDREN OF MEN. Fantastic movie. I have the book in my to-read pile as well! :)

[Loony BoB]

It might be a neat idea to update the first post to show a listing of all the movies that have been put up so far, so people like myself who have not had as much time can easily see what they have to catch up on. =]

[Del Murder]

There you go chummmmmmmmm..p

[Araciel]

Dry Land is not a myth..

owait that's the wrong movie.

The part with the soldiers and the baby being carried out.

[Shiny]

My favorite part of Children of Men is when King Crimson starts playing.

[Spuuky]

So how is this movie club going?

[Calliope]

I think it's persisting, despite various people being busy.

[Del Murder]

Well, we got through six weeks. A new record for EoFF clubs.

[Calliope]

It's probably always difficult, but it seems like this group of participants had a lot of weddings/job hunts/international holidays/house movings going on.

[Del Murder]

I never watched Vivi or Nicolas's picks, though they are downloaded onto my computer.

Nothing will top Shorty's pick, though, unless someone busts out with Godfather II or something.

[Hollycat]

Is it too late to join up?

[Jinx]

Maybe we can bring this back after the new year?

[Spuuky]

Too bad we still haven't made it to my amazing selection.

[Shorty]

Nicky hit the nail on the head. I pretty much dropped this during wedding kerfuffle and didn't find time to resume. I would like to start it up again soon, perhaps this weekend!

[Araciel]

GO GO GO

[noxious.sunshine]

I'll dive in this go round

[Crop]

Ah, wish I had seen this thread sooner. Let's get this up and atom again when everyone is available, and sign me up.

[Elite Lord Sigma]

Now that I'm done being eaten alive for college for the time being, I'd like to get back in on this.

[Shorty]

I'm going to push this to run again in the next two weeks! Catch up on any movies listed down to Vivi's if you haven't seen them!

Movies shown so far can be found below:


Member List:
1. Shorty - Raiders of the Lost Ark
2. Jinx - Starship Troopers
3. Pantz - Network
4. Calliope - Boy
5. Nicolas - Waking Life
6. Vivi22 - Children of Men

There will be a potential twist/change to how this runs, so stay tuned :jess: (I have to hammer it out in EC first so)

[Ghosteses]

this looks interesting xD i might try if i can get my aunt to let her stare at her movie collection for hooours.

also. kerfuffle. is the best word. ever. how come i never heard kerfuffle before?

[Shorty]

You should definitely get involved! You don't have to be listd in the sign-ups to participate (although we'd love to have you!). You can just watch along with everyone else and get involved in the discussion.

Here is the remaining list of sign-ups:

7. Denmark
8. Tasura
9. Formalhaut
10. ZonkoTony
11. Spuuky
12. Mercen-X
13. Del Murder
14. Loony BoB
15. Elite Lord Sigma
16. Araciel
17. noxious.sunshine
18. Shiny
19. Shauna

I haven't seen ZonkoTony in some time, so if he doesn't make an appearance by the time Formalhaut's week is up, we'll hopskipjump him over to Spuuky.

Denmark, have your selection ready! Formy, you as well, if you're still planning on participating.

[Denmark]

I'm ready! My choice is Full Metal Jacket. Enjoy!

[noxious.sunshine]

We had to watch that in High School! lmao

[Araciel]

Nice

[Shiny]

We had to watch that in High School! lmao
A very inappropriate choice for high school...did you guys have to get a parental waiver signed?

[Loony BoB]

Man, if you think that's a bad choice for high school, you should see the 'Earth' movie that Calliope and I were forced to watch. ._. That crap was traumatising. The same English teacher made us read a twincest novel.

[Calliope]

Nope, we weren't in the same class by then, I think, although I remember other people complaining about that book.

[Shaibana]

this sounds like fun, can i still join?