Walking Dead Season 8 - Unmarked spoilers for aired eps in thread

[Shiny]

Well if goes like the comics Glenn will be dead by episode one or two of the next season. This finale was pretty balls. Should've been longer, the characters should've been less dumb espescially Tara and Rosita wtf?! And especially Sam. I applaud Jason Alexander for saying that he thought the characters acted dumbly in this right as Kirkman was sitting there because they really need to know their writing is atrocious. There can't be that many dumb people still alive and I have so many whys.

Why did we have an hour long episode of this and a 90 minute episode of Morgan? Why didn't they quiet Sam or better yet knock him the smurf out because he is a spazz? Why didn't they kill the wolf who only had a knife and they had two guns on him at close range? Why the smurf didn't Morgan just sit down and drink his goddamn tea and let Carol handle trout like she always does? Why did Rick put Deanna who is turning in a room with his baby? Why did he then leave her alone again after the fact? Why is the priest still alive? What is the point? Why does Carl think he can handle the situation of the porch dick's son who wants to kill him without involving the parents? Oh right, because he's Carl Papa.


Also is he hitting on Sasha? Cause dude you have Rosita.

Abraham is a bad monkey. As far as Sasha is concerned though... guurl gotta eat :D
Also a nod to the comics...he falls in love with some other chick because he didn't actually like Rosita that much.
And none of these things are that much of spoilers at this point especially since they change a lot from the show tithe comics. You're also not going to read 100+ issues and you know it so hush.

The thing that annoys me the most is that wventhough they were knee deep in walkers only one person was affected by the walkers. The walkers have become more of a backdrop than an actual threat and it's been that way for sometime now but definitely made very apparent in last night's episode. Human beings are more of a threat and I'm not really even sure the motivation for it apart from insanity because it doesn't seem like resources are The Road scarce.

More importantly why were they fighting anyway when there was a huge herd of zombies outside? And why wouldn't the baby cry being under a flesh suit?

[Shaibana]

exciting show but.. theres some bullshit going on there.

that final scene where they dress up in zombie stuff....
cmon.... cmon... just.. dont.. cmon
what a bullcrap.
they would defnitly still smell them because they arent covered up 100% in that shit.
and if it so effective why dont they just use that all the time?

and that kid.. i truely believe his mother totaly forgot about him (atleast i did).
he opened the door and it was like 'ooh right, ur still there'

[Freya]

I hate that ladies kids. Like both of them. They are useless. I hope they get eaten

[Bubba]

Agreed. The kid actors need to step up their game in this series. The best two were the girls who Carol was looking after. One kills the other then Carol offs the second. Way to plough through all the quality child actors, AMC.

Shiny's right too. Why the hell would Rick leave his child in the vicinity of someone who has been bitten? Monumentally stupid.

[Shiny]

Quality child actors? The youngest little girl was literally the worse actor I've seen in a long time. The older one was pretty okay. The best actor on the show is still Rick (I don't remember his real name). Give that dude an Emmy already.

[fire_of_avalon]

Andrew Lincoln.

[Araciel]

Nee-gan? I always thought it was NAY-gan.

[Bubba]

Quality child actors? The youngest little girl was literally the worse actor I've seen in a long time. The older one was pretty okay.

Really? I thought they were both excellent. Much better than the runts that are in it now.


Andrew Lincoln.

It's still weird for me seeing Andrew Lincoln in this show. I still remember watching Teachers years ago!

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[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Or that Andrea was just a good enough shot to hit Daryl in the ear in season 2. Or hell, that Daryl didn't die of sepsis in season 2 from his woodland injuries. Or that he didn't suffer permanent brain damage or go into a coma due to concussion.

Daryl is eternal. Like a phoenix he'll rise from the ashes.

Also, hello forum. I haven't been here all season but you may have heard me weeping and providing dank memes on Facebook.

[Shaibana]

so.. the show is about to start again tomorrow and the lack of interest seems disturbing.
i must honestly say i might give up on the show after this season...
i dont like rick
i dont like carl
i dont like Carol (her chance doesnt make sense.. she is over the top)
even Daryl starts to anoy me a bit.
Glenn anoys me with 'my wife this, my wife that'

yeah.. i dont know.. ooh well..

[fire_of_avalon]

Oooooooooommmmmmmmmmgggggggggg

If you didn't think this was one of the best episodes ever then you can get right the fuck outta my face.

[Freya]

I like how that whole stupid family got wiped out for being stupid. Carl got shot.... Again.... And I worried for Glenn.... Again....

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Oh how I've waited for this episode.

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[Rantz]

Oooooooooommmmmmmmmmgggggggggg

If you didn't think this was one of the best episodes ever then you can get right the smurf outta my face.
It was! So great!! I'm not even that upset that Jessie & family died, although it's a shame since they were just getting started building up hers and Rick's relationship. Everything else was just top-notch.

[Bubba]

God damn Walking Dead. I'm still annoyed whenever I see Glen alive and honestly I was sooooo close to giving up on this damn show. There were too many story arcs with people in different places. That one episode has reminded me why I loved the show in the first place.

I'm so glad that the group are all one again and sooooo glad those annoying prick kids died. I'm sure now they'll be about six crap episodes before a great season finale but damn you Walking Dead... you keep me hanging on.

One of the best ever episodes.

[fire_of_avalon]

So how about this was the first on screen child killing we've had? We've seen a half dozen or so dead kids, we've had three of "ours" die off screen, but this is the first time they actually went for it.

I'll be honest, it was actually harder for me to watch than adult deaths cause by walkers, and probably one of the most emotional reactions I've had to the show. It was hard to watch a kid get eaten, but even harder to watch a mother watch her kid get eaten.

I know there is worse to come, much worse by far, but after Rick's little soliloquy tobCarl at the end of the episode I can't help but feel a little hopeful.

I know, I know, I'm about to be crushed.

[Shaibana]

meh, you are all so enthousiastic about the show and im like ´meh´..
i cant even remember when and where daryl reunited with abraham and sasha or how they got the truck..
i really dislike this stupid ´mid season break´.. it gets me all confused

i was very glad to see the kid going, and i really disliked that they got Jessie to :(

the way Glenn got saved anoys me to bits.. they just sprayed bullets around and somehow for some reason Glenn gets out of it without a scratch.

[Freya]

Glenn has plot armor.. for now....

I mean how many times have they put him in harms way now? Like there was the governor thing and well dang, he's the one character who always gets in cruddy situations. They know we love him so they know they can get away with making us upset.

[Bubba]

they just sprayed bullets around and somehow for some reason Glenn gets out of it without a scratch.

Glen is magic. We already know this from earlier in the season.

[Psychotic]

So how about this was the first on screen child killing we've had? We've seen a half dozen or so dead kids, we've had three of "ours" die off screen, but this is the first time they actually went for it.Yes! When they did this I yelled out because damn. Legit did not expect to actually see it.

Tasty episode, but yeah, don't fucking pull that fake out shit with Glen again please.

[Slothy]

I really feel like the stuff with Glen is partly them toying with us before finally pulling the rug out from under us. Make people think he's untouchable then WHAM!

[Shaibana]

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[Shiny]

I came in here to tell you that was some crazy shit.

Coral! Coral almost died.

[Crop]

The last episode I watched was the one where Glenn 'died'. When I heard they brought him back I was all "screw this" and stopped watching. I had a bunch of free time to do nothing so I figured I'd bite the bullet and catch up.

Still pissed Glenn is alive but that last episode almost made up for it all, what a freaking episode.

Aside from that and the Morgan one though (glad he was somewhat vindicated in keeping that man alive too), I thought all the rest were awful. Here's hoping it doesn't drop off after that though.

Didn't really mind about the kid dying though, I'm pretty glad the whole family is gone tbh.

[fire_of_avalon]

THAT JUST HAPPENED AND I AM SO HAPPY

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I think if AMC breaks up this power couple they will feel the wrath of a real apocalypse.

[SammieBabe]

I feel like I'm the only person who didn't see Richonne coming, but I like it. For me, it fits and works with the story.

[Freya]

THAT JUST HAPPENED AND I AM SO HAPPY
https://49.media.tumblr.com/caca66798b62dba9aad170affc6e7840/tumblr_o2xnso6P9K1soqkipo1_400.gif

Even in the beginning, look at those looks!

I'm so happy for Richonne. I've been pinning for it for a few seasons. It's great to see a ship you like sail!

[Rantz]

I feel like I'm the only person who didn't see Richonne coming, but I like it. For me, it fits and works with the story.
I kinda thought it was gonna happen a few times from their moments this season but then I told myself I was imagining things. Glad to see otherwise :D They both deserve it.

The whole thing with finding the truck and it going into the lake seemed pretty forced to me. The moment they found it, it just seemed so predictable that something like that would happen.

[Psychotic]

I think if AMC breaks up this power couple they will feel the wrath of a real apocalypse.The Snow cosplayer will do it!

[Bubba]

What a great episode! Obviously a completely different pacing but it's so great having the gang back together. I actually really enjoyed the new character, Houdini or whatever he's called.

Gonna call it now, Rick and Michonne won't last. I love that they've hooked up but something will happen to drive them apart. Hopefully not death though.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

This was fitting for the mood.

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[Del Murder]

Reading the synopsis of this show is so much more enjoyable than watching it.

[fire_of_avalon]

Del just stop watching! If you don't enjoy it then just look up the spoilers after the episode.

I'm not mad about it but if it doesn't make you happy why do it?

[Slothy]

Yes, stop watching you negative Nancy! :p

[Psychotic]

Maybe being grumpy about it makes him happy!

[Del Murder]

What the hell are you guys talking about? I stopped watching a while ago and I was just mentioning that reading the updates in this thread is so much more satisfying. Sorry, did I not put enough smilies on that for you? :p :tongue: :jokey:

I can't wait to read about how they handle Neagan because that arc in the comic has been my favorite so far. Not sure how they will handle all his cursing though.

[Psychotic]

Your smiley per word quota is acceptable.

[Freya]

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Just a key change and look how lovely this show's intro sounds!

[Bubba]

That sounds so good!

That is gonna be the theme song to my life when I hit my target goal weight.

[Psychotic]

That could be an FF airship theme.

[Freya]

I like how Rick is not phased by murdering one of their guys. http://i.imgur.com/GGnYfot.gif

Also Abraham's lines are amusing.

And Maggie playing hardball, nice.

Jesus is really living up to his name, he's being all peacekeepery

[Slothy]

I like how Rick is not phased by murdering one of their guys. http://i.imgur.com/GGnYfot.gif

Hey now! It was self defense.

[fire_of_avalon]

The "what" and the bisquick thing slayed me last night. I giggled a bunch.

Also would not mind if Gregory just bit the big one ASAP.

[Psychotic]

Jesus looks too clean and it sets me on edge. I mean, yeah, I know the whole point of it was last week's "Aha! He's a clean! Lookit dat beard!" exchange between Daryl and Rick but I just really don't like it and want to dump a vat of custard on his head.

[Bubba]

I thought Maggie was great in that episode. Kinda glad as she hasn't really done much for ages.

Jesus is awesome! Not the religious one that rose from the dead. His pristine hair and beard just attract me to him more.

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[Shaibana]

its been almost 3 weeks..
ive recorded the last 2 episodes but i cant give a single flying smurf to go watch them..

i fear i have officialy given up on this show.
i hereby say goodbye to TWD and this thread..

ill cya at Fear the Walking Dead :3

[Freya]

But the last two have been fun!

Shame we've lost you. New season of fear starts in April though!

[Freya]

The military-esqe takedown of that compound was really awesome to see. Sad that it has come to that but interesting to watch.

[Rantz]

The sandman killings were kinda hard to watch, especially seeing Glenn's reaction. Still, pretty great action in this episode. I was half expecting them to drag out the rest of the season with preparations and build-up to the attack but I'm glad to have been mistaken on that.

[Psychotic]

The sandman killings were kinda hard to watch, especially seeing Glenn's reaction. Still, pretty great action in this episode. I was half expecting them to drag out the rest of the season with preparations and build-up to the attack but I'm glad to have been mistaken on that.My thoughts exactly!

[Slothy]

They had a pretty good plan. Their big mistake was assuming the saviours were all in one location.

That said, i loved that episode. I actually had no problem with the sandman killings, but i read the comics so i know how bad Neegan and the saviours actually can be.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

This just in, Carol and Tobin stuck at port. Because ain't nobody shipping that.

Denise told Tara "I'll tell you I love you when I get back", which I think is supposed to make you believe something will happen to Tara on her run with Heath. But I think that's a red herring and something happens to Denise instead.

Meanwhile Abraham tells Rosita "I thought you were the last woman on Earth". His heart is made out of cold rolled steel like the walls of Alexandria. All things considered, if Rosita was the last woman on Earth with me, I would feel like I won the lottery. Eugene awkwardly looks on like a child who overheard his parents arguing. Virginia is for lovers.

Glenn finally killed a human. But I think having him take Heaths first kill was a great way to maintain his purity. He acknowledges it as a necessary evil but totally understands Heaths resistance.

Rick is showing great leadership skills and doesn't force anyone's hand. Carol insisted she stay with Maggie. He didn't think it was a good idea but he said okay begrudgingly.

Morgan was trying to be the voice of peace at the meeting. I can appreciate that but it's a naive decision to make in this world, so I'm glad Aaron shut him down quick.

[Freya]

I like how when glenn too the kill form heath he was feeling all :( but then they saw those trophy pictures and I think at that point they felt more justified in what they were doing.

[Bubba]

Ugh, Glen's continued involvement in this series is honestly ruining it for me. It's a shame because that was a great episode. Every time I see his face it just reminds me of how the show completely insulted all of our intelligence with his Houdini act. He just needs to be killed off (again) so I can enjoy everyone else's performances.

There have been thousands of zombies on screen in this series... but Glen is by far the worst.

[Freya]

WHAT

GLENN IS THE BEST. SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

[CimminyCricket]

I only made it through half the episode. I didn't care about cookies or talking or whatever.

[Rantz]

You missed the half that was about gunfire and stabbing.

[CimminyCricket]

I will turn it back on then. That's what I watch for.

[Slothy]

So much gunfire and stabbing.

[Bubba]

WHAT

GLENN IS THE BEST. SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

Correction. Glen WAS the best. He died. AND I MOURNED HIM, DAMMIT.

[CimminyCricket]

There really was a bunch of gunfire and stabbing. 11/10

[Bubba]

Whoa... first to comment this week? Can't have been many people's favourite episode. I actually thought it was pretty great! Maggie has had a couple of great episodes in the second half of the series. Her stomach cut didn't seem too deep though so maybe she can still give birth?

I was put off Carol after her ninja antics when the Wolves attacked the compound. More episodes like that though and she'll soon be back in my good books!

I kind of liked that red-haired woman from Negan's group so it's shame she couldn't have lasted more than one episode. That's TWD for you though!

[CimminyCricket]

I also liked her and was hoping she'd somehow not get killed and become a main character.

Oh well.

[Slothy]

T'was an excellent episode. As much as a conscience may get you killed in the zombie apocalypse, it's good that Morgan is getting through to someone. Especially someone we thought may be long lost by now. At a certain point someone does have to say no to the killing and push for peace. It's gonna be a long road before that person is Rick though.

[Shiny]

Carol becoming more human again I think is a way for them to make her death more excruciating. It's weird seeing where they go with the characters and their development. Just as someone seems to be so far gone, something happens where it changes their perspective. I personally don't like this new Carol. Having a conscience gets you killed.

Rick is far gone and many of his choices have certainly been borderline, but I think it's ironic how probably the most PTSD person in the group, Michonne, is now one of the most humane and is his voice of reason. I felt like her character arc to get to this point was a lot more organic than Carol's though. For her, her strong relationship with Carl definitely helped her regain some peace of mind, but Carol had zero affinity with Morgan so that just seems strange.

[Crop]

Great series on the whole so far. I'm glad we've got this new big bad group in the form of Negan's group, as I feel that kind of conflict is the direction the show needs to take.

The only downside is the group is now what....20-0 against them? They're not coming across as very effective so far, it seems to be all hype, although I think that's more due to the fact that the writers seem to be terrified of killing off any main characters.

I felt they had this problem with the potential The Governor and Woodbury brought, but even they were more effective than these people!

[Slothy]

The thing to keep in mind about Neegan's group right now is that they are clearly very organized (multiple safe houses and locations, very spread out, and obviously have plans and protocols in place for various contingencies given their radio signals). They are also a lot more numerous than Rick and friends think.

So far Rick and the others have been lucky. The first group ran into three people on the road, underestimated them, and never counted on them having RPG's in the back of the truck when they sent one guy back their with one of the most dangerous people they had. Neegan's second group got taken out by people from a settlement they never even knew existed and didn't know were coming for them. No one they've dealt with to that point likely posed as much of a threat and they were blindsided.

But now they know someone is taking out their people. They know they're at war with someone and their guard is going to be up. But Rick and company think it's over.

Mark my words, this season is not going to end will for Alexandria.

[Crop]

Good points, and I hope that it plays out that way. I suppose I'm just cautious because of the track record of the show lately, especially since the whole Glenn thing, which I'm totally with Bubba on.

That said, can't be too down about it when it's my favourite series since the first!

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Denise told Tara "I'll tell you I love you when I get back", which I think is supposed to make you believe something will happen to Tara on her run with Heath. But I think that's a red herring and something happens to Denise instead.

Humblebrag emoji, but one that looks kinda sad

[fire_of_avalon]

I BLAME YOU FOR THIS. She was quickly becoming my favorite secondary. She became such a badass even before she went with Daryl and Rosita.

Also, Eugene is a badass too. And finally I am so scared for Daryl.

[Psychotic]

And finally I am so scared for Daryl.Good. I hope they actually have the guts to do it.

[SammieBabe]

This show is bad for my blood pressure.

[fire_of_avalon]

He's been around for 6 seasons, he's the biggest star on the show, and he makes them a crap ton of money in merchandise. If Norman Reedus wanted to stay I think they would gladly keep him and he's outlive even Rick. But it seems like Reedus wants to go, so the writing is on the wall. I'm saying by the finale we'll lose Daryl, Glenn and Carol. And I will be heartsick for a week.

[Psychotic]

I really hope they do it! My one criticism of the last couple of seasons is that it's all too safe for the main characters. It's not what drew me to the show to start with, when it felt like anyone could die and rightly so given that it's a zombie apocalypse!

My own little half theory, half hope is that they'll kill Maggie instead of Glenn. How gut wrenching would that be?

[Bubba]

Gutted about Denise as I really liked her character. Totally did not see that coming!

I agree that the show needs a major cull of some of the characters.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

My theory, or more of a wish really, is that the next time Daryl is in trouble Dwight will save him by saying "save that kill for me!". Like there's a small part of him that's still good and says "you saved me back in those woods, we're even now. Next time you won't be so lucky".

Also shout out to the Viserys Targaryen zombie. Eugene aint crackin that chrome dome.

[Freya]

Okay, due to cutting cable and stupid hulu/amc streaming issues, I'm finally caught up.

The denise death was surprising. Felt like they were going for a "i'm useful outside of my normal skills!" arch then BAM.

In the previous episode, I was thinking one of those ladies would join the team or something but nope, they didn't.

I also DO NOT like the carol arch we have going. Going from meek to badass to meek again is not my favorite thing.

[CimminyCricket]

So far the thing that I don't like about how they're introducing Neegan's gang is in the comics Their interactions almost never included guns until the first actual assault on Alexandria. Most of their interactions involved hand weapons and it was a huge surprise to Rick and the gang when the Saviors finally started shooting back.

[Slothy]

I wouldn't really say Carol has become meek again. I think she's just come to the realization that she doesn't like how much of a cold blooded killer she became and wants to stop. But she doesn't know if she can stop, especially if she stays with the people in Alexandria. Hence why she's trying to leave. She doesn't want to kill anymore but knows of she stays then she would eventually be forced to kill to protect them again. So she's willing to go and take her chances on her own rather than be in that position.

Im not saying I agree with her reasoning at all, but it's not meek to decide you aren't going to kill in such a world. It might actually be the hardest decision someone could actually make.

[fire_of_avalon]

Everything Vivi said. Only he said it better.

[Rantz]

Sad about Denise.

[Psychotic]

Yeah I definitely agree with Vivi. Carol hasn't gone full circle and become S1/2 Carol. It's very easy to go "yay Carol what a badass" when she's tearing up Terminus or casually shooting that woman in the head last week, but it's undervaluing the toll that would take on any decent human. She seems to have been influenced by Morgan's pacifism and he's certainly not meek either.

With that said, whether bailing on Alexandria was the best way to go about it is open to debate.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

This is a really good cover.

Plus I can't resist the urge to have foa yell at me for bringing this scene up again.

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[fire_of_avalon]

Everybody's deaaaaaad ;___;

[Psychotic]

Well duh, it's in the name of the show.

[SammieBabe]

Okay, fine. Everyone dies. But Maggie possibly miscarrying? Whhhyyyyyyy???
That's just cruel.

[Psychotic]

I hope the babby is a zomby babby :3:

Also come on, how many times are we going to see our guys poncing about being idiots in the middle of nowhere, being surrounded and captured by a group of Saviors and then the Saviors getting massacred? Why are they even so scared of them when they're so hilariously incompetent? If anything the Saviors are the good guys because Team Alexandria is full of straight up murderers.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Fun fact: the constitution of my blanket is now 75% sobbing waterworks of tears.

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[Bubba]

I don't know what's changed for me in this show but I find I don't really care about who dies anymore. In fact, if Daryl has died (which he probably hasn't) then the stupid bastard deserved it. Riding out on his own to hunt those guys is pretty fucking stupid.

Good riddance to stupid people, I say.

[Del Murder]

Has Lucille showed up yet? She was one of my favorite characters in the comics.

[Shiny]

She'll be in the premiere. They already showed her in the new trailer.

(Lucille is Negan's bat non-comic book readers)

[Freya]

Just got to it today. What the crud. Why are they so stupid. They know that people die when they go out on their owns or in small numbers. why do they keep doing it?

[Slothy]

Because humans excel at rational thought and long term decision making?

[Crop]

I am so so tired of death teasing. The most effective deaths in this show come out of nowhere, or happen quickly, it doesn't matter how important the character is. Dale, T-Dog, Hershel, Beth...I didn't care about Denise but that was an excellent scene. Imagine if that happened to Morgan while he was talking with Rick, or Glenn as he was berating Daryl?

I already know Daryl isn't dead....yet. Shock teasers like that at the show just feel cheap imo.

Also, people acting stupid in this episode. Namely Daryl. Yet more Saviours dying with ease too. I have a feeling that the finale will be great though.

[fire_of_avalon]

Crop. Crop don't watch the season finale.

Like. I love this show. But for the first time I'm really super disappointed.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I love this show and often defend it where others don't. But even I have breaking points. That ending was absolute garbage.

We don't see who gets the bat, but we see the swing. Really? Most people, even non comic book readers, have heard so much hype about Negan that the "who gets the bat?" question was already on people's minds for the past 8 episodes. That was NOT the question people wanted to talk about for the next six months. Dividing someone's death scene between two episodes will now take the sting out of both episodes. No reveal in this episode, no time to re-establish love for the character in the next episode.

I listen to 3 Walking Dead podcasts and not a one of them think this was a good decision, not even creatively or from a ratings standpoint. To take a quote from The Watching Dead about Star Trek: "The cliffhanger isn't wondering which member of the bridge gets kidnapped, the cliffhanger is Picard gets taken by the Borg, now what do we do about it?"

You established hype for a villain all season long and we don't even know WHO we are mad at him over. Instead of giving your audience six months to build up hate for Negan, you're giving them six months to build up hate for the show itself.

Crew of the show have come forward in the past week saying things like "this episode is what fans have been waiting for". What part, exactly? The part where we don't know what happens?

The sad thing is the build up of the last ten minutes was genuinely suspenseful and had me on the edge of my seat. The fade to black was so anti climactic it hurts. I'm not alone. 99% of the feedback I'm reading on Twitter confirms what I'm feeling.

The Carol and Morgan stuff was compelling but I'm too angry to talk about what I liked this episode.

You could not hide the audience disdain for this show right now even if you hid it under a dumpster for 4 episodes.

I need my own podcast.

[Psychotic]

What a piece of hot garbage.

[SammieBabe]

On Talking Dead last night, both Gimple and Kirkman tried to defend the decision to end it like that by saying that the story and tension for Season 6 belonged to the final scene with the Saviors and the introduction of Negan. They said the story of who dies and the fallout belongs to Season 7.
While most season end on a cliffhanger, I get that, last night was just too much.

Anyone ready to speculate on who they think it is?

[Psychotic]

Aaron because it's the most meaningless death possible.

[Del Murder]

I bet they haven't even written it yet.

[Rantz]

Mehhh. I've been off and on positive about the direction they were taking the show this season. How the characters deal with their own ever-increasing brutality and ruthlessness is interesting to me. As much as people say this is just an action/suspense show, to me there's actual creative value there. There's good storytelling. This last scene does not belong in that category. I'm disappointed that they keep diving for cheap tricks like that and try to play it off as something artful when the only reason for it is to keep viewers hanging on.

[SammieBabe]

Chandler Riggs on Twitter last night : "If it makes you guys feel any better I still don't know how it is and I read the script 6 months ago."

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

The thing that's real aggravating going forward is that the death is going to get leaked before the season premiere anyway. Now that this is the number one question on everyone's mind, people are going to get Jon Snow'd if they even remotely follow Walking Dead fan sites or news articles.

Within the next couple months there's gonna be some grainy photo leak, or someone's going to be signed on to a big film that rolls during the walking dead, or there will be a distinct lack of promo shots. There's another thing, how do you even release a season 7 trailer at this point? Now that there's almost a dozen people on the chopping block, you can't just show 8 of them walking around Alexandria in the Fall trailer.

[Bubba]

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[Shauna]

haha alright well done TWD

[Del Murder]

They should shoot a separate scene for every possibility. I think another show did something like that once.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

My theory, or more of a wish really, is that the next time Daryl is in trouble Dwight will save him by saying "save that kill for me!". Like there's a small part of him that's still good and says "you saved me back in those woods, we're even now. Next time you won't be so lucky".

Regarding this, I think there's a portion of my theory that's still plausible. Maybe Negan doesn't send his message by killing people who are already maimed, as they'll be less likely to put up resistance after the fact anyway, so with this in mind Dwight went for a shoulder shot.

There's still a solid Dwight vs Daryl B-plot they could tell interwoven in the dominant A-plot of season 7.

[Crop]

What did I say? What did I JUST SAY?! Teasing deaths are the absolute worst, in a very bad way.

The rest of the episode? Great. Watching them in the RV driving around, seeing the tension build as you notice how much more powerful Neegan's group are compared to them was amazing. Watching it slowly dawn on Rick at every turn seeing him get more and more helpless was really excellently done, especially the look on his face at the end.
The B plot with Morgan and Carol was good, still not too pleased with where Carol is, but I'm ok with it if we get to see Morgan as her teacher, like he was taught.

But then the ending, oh the ending, I say without any sort of hyperbole that it ruined the entire episode. All that tension built up and it went nowhere. Firstly while I enjoyed Neegan's introduction I felt the teasing he was doing went on a few minutes too long, but after all that to see that ridiculous PoV shot with blood streaming down the camera. Ugh, possibly the worst thing The Walking Dead has done....and that's saying something.

I can already see the first episode of next season, two things will happen: The group will be sent back to Alexandria and will be all sad for the episode and walking around talking, and Rick will have some sort of breakdown where he just sits there all useless or something. And I mean those are the only two things that will happen.

And you know what the funny (not "ha-ha" funny) thing is? About half the characters that could be killed are utterly irrelevant and I couldn't care less about them: Abraham, Aaron, Rosita, Sasha, Eugene. Don't get me wrong, these characters have their moments, but they should be mid season deaths period, not massive teaser deaths from the big bad after his climactic reveal. And I just KNOW it will be. It's a sad state of affairs when I'll be upset if Daryl or Michonne or whoever AREN'T dead.
If you actually want a major character that you like to die then the show is doing it backwards. So so backwards.

UGH!

[Freya]

Meh I wasn't that bothered by the cut off.

That's TV for you! They could have had a red wedding moment where you just stare, mouth agape at the brutality you just witnessed buuuuuuut they didn't do that. They went typical normal cliffhanger.

OH WELL

Fear The Walking Dead is next week so whatevs.

[Slothy]

Yeah, the cliff hanger of who dies is mildly annoying but with how stellar the episode was until then and Jeffrey Dean Morgan stealing the show at the end I'd hardly say it ruined the whole thing for me. Looking forward to next season and some more of him as well as some all out war eventually (we all know the conflict with the saviours is going to continue and lead to copious amounts of blood and death eventually so I wouldn't even call that a spoiler).

I look forward to next season revealing just who it was that took it like a champ.

[fire_of_avalon]

I'm gonna say they stayed true to the comic, as they'll be even more hell to pay if they didn't.

[Kalevala]

I'm so tired of defending this show.

[Shaibana]

im not watching this anymore but im just going to leave this here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1WFtQxAeas

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

RIP Shaibana memes.

[Del Murder]

She will just have to double her effort with GoT memes.

[Shaibana]

She will just have to double her effort with GoT memes.

ill do my best <3

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Season 7 trailer

And it's glorious. Season 6, we had some problems. It was you, not me. But I forgive you. You bought me a TIGER to make up for it. I love you.

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[Bubba]

Bump!

Only a few weeks to go! I watched the end of the last episode again last night and the introduction (finally) of Negan has reignited my interest in this show. Yes, it has problems. Yes, it has upset me no end. I'm just too invested in the characters now not to see it through to the end.

How are we feeling? Excited?

[Crop]

I'm excited. The last episode was great until the cop out right at the end, but that'll soon be solved.

I'm excited before every season though tbh. It won't take long to do something stupid and piss me off, but I do think the last season was the best for a while.

[ttokkii]

The cut off didn't really bug me, I guess I just speculated for a while instead. I'm stoked on the new season upcoming, I can barely wait. Thank god for Gotham in the mean time to keep me sane.

[Shauna]

I can't wait for the big reveal and then for the series to not live up to any expectations beyond that and be kinda rubbish for the rest of the season!

And yet I keep coming back for more.

[Crop]

So, they're showing the first episode over here at 2:30am at the same time as it airs in the US. I'm going to have to watch it, there's no way I'll make it through work tomorrow without it being spoiled.

[Psychotic]

So, they're showing the first episode over here at 2:30am at the same time as it airs in the US. I'm going to have to watch it, there's no way I'll make it through work tomorrow without it being spoiled.Same, although I just got up early and watched it before work.

And, well, damn. Negan looks to be a real barrel full of fun.

[Crop]

Thought it was a great episode, it kept me guessing and tense the whole way through. The 'will they, won't they' with Rick's arm, and the double kill by Negan definitely got me. Glenn with his head caved in was actually hard to watch.

Against my better judgement I have high hope for this series.

[Bubba]

Haha, I got up early and watched it as well! Yeah, I thought it was a cracking opening episode. Negan is brilliantly horrific.

I was a little disappointed there was only one death in the main group. I think this show has needed a cull for a long time and it was a good opportunity to take some of the deadweight out. Oh well, the season is still young!

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

It's always hard for me to lose a cast member on this show, particularly the further back they've been on it.

Take someone from season 1 for example. On the whole, we spend 4 months with them a year for the better part of 7 years. It's like losing a friend. The episode of Talking Dead afterwards felt like a real funeral service.

[Del Murder]

I think that's what makes them more reluctant to kill off main characters the further you go into the series. As opposed to a comic book, where there's not a real person behind the character and the writer can do what they want with them.

[Shauna]

Gotta say, I love Jeffrey Dean Morgan. He is excellent.


Against my better judgement I have high hope for this series.

Sums up my thoughts pretty well. This episode was a great start but I have been burned by this show every season, so I guess we'll see how it goes.

[Del Murder]

Fool me twice seven times...

[Psychotic]

I won't hear a word against Season 2, it delivered throughout. I still think the finale in that was the best episode the show's ever produced. The Rick - Shane showdown and then the bloody insane exodus from Herschel's farm was phenomenal.

[Freya]

I successfully avoided spoilers all day but I was seeing hype all over the place about how horrible it was.

It wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be from how people talked.

I mean, there's been some horrifying stuff on this show. I think why people are so appalled this time is because they can suspend disbelief at the horrors the zombies create but they still can't handle an actual person doing that trout. Now it's super bad cause a character is meaning the action and isn't just some monster.

Hell, I was more emotional at Maggie being emotional than anything.

[Psychotic]

That was some of the worst gore for me. I know we all have our own things that set us off, but Glenn's eyeball hanging out as he's trying to mumble to Maggie? Blech.

[Crop]

I agree. I'm not adverse to gore, especially in a fictional show, but that part was the only part I've ever found hard to watch.

[Bubba]

What are you all talking about?? Glen died last season. Abraham's death was tragic but at least he was the only one.

[Freya]

Ehhh I thought when everybody hates Chris kid got ripped apart at the revolving door was waaaaaay worse.

I mean this was bad, but it wasn't as bad as we've seen on this show. Everyone was hyping it like it was the goriest thing ever and it under delivered for me on the expectations I had from what everyone had been hyping throughout the day. Still bad, just not as bad as I was led to believe it was going to be frome all the people I saw saying it was so gross they're quitting the show.

[Bubba]

In all seriousness now, I think it was just the fact that the gore was happening to one of the most popular characters. Also, human-on-human does make it hit home more for people.

I agree there have been far more gross deaths than Glenn's.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

The thing that had me tearing up the most was surprisingly not the death scenes, but the "what could have been" thanksgiving style dinner at the end. Seeing Glenn hold his son at the head of the table.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I remember getting to King Ezekiel and his Kingdom in the comics and thinking it was the first time I felt like The Walking Dead was a cartoon. Zombie apocalypse aside, this was the first time it felt like a work of fiction instead of a "what if?" survivalist scenario.

The thing I liked about this episode is that they were quick to acknowledge the absurdity. Carol calls his BS early on and speaks out for the audience that has an eyebrow raised.

As far as the end goes, it looks like Carol and Morgan came to a compromise? She gets her own place where she can be left on her own like she wanted, but in exchange Morgan at least has the knowledge of where that place is? At least that's what I took from it.

I enjoyed this episode, I just wish they had a way to keep the plot moving forward aside from the "Here's the 3 people we're following this episode" that they've been doing since season 4.

[Psychotic]

I like King Ezekiel and his tiger, but then how many times has the series pulled the "no, seriously you guys, we have a normal community with COBBLER and CHOIRS it's totally safe for REALS this time!" card?

[Slothy]

I like King Ezekiel and his tiger, but then how many times has the series pulled the "no, seriously you guys, we have a normal community with COBBLER and CHOIRS it's totally safe for REALS this time!" card?

Aside from some saviours racketeering it actually is safe this time. For now anyway.

[Del Murder]

Someone at work set up a conference room to be a haunted house, and inside you had to play out the Neagan scene from the first episode in the dark. We all had to line up and he eaney meany miney moed us. Then he 'picked' a person and proceeded to beat the snot out of them with a bat, his 'guts' (squirt guns) getting sprayed all over us. :D

[Bubba]

So nobody cares about this any more then?

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

The focus on single plot line storytelling is doing real damage to the pacing of this show.

Instead of getting one episode in Alexandria, one episode in the Kingdom, and one episode at the Savior's compound, can't we just visit each location for 10 to 15 minutes an episode?

If I can follow Game of Thrones doing 14 storylines at once, I can follow The Walking Dead visiting 3 settlements.

Denise died like 7 episodes ago and we still have no idea how Tara feels about it. Or where Tara and Heath even are. We waited 6 months to see Glenn die and now an additional month to even see if Maggie is doing alright in the aftermath.

Last week didn't need to be 90 minutes long. Most of that extra time was commercial advertisement. And the whole episode was Negan walking around Alexandria.

But a little bit of Negan goes a long way. I heard a podcaster say "Jaws would be less scary if the shark was on screen for 20 minutes at a time. The horror is in the anticipation."

[Bubba]

I feel the same. So much so I haven't even watched this weeks episode yet. I go to watch it in the evenings and keep finding something else I'd rather do.

[Bubba]

I'm teetering with this show. So, so bored.

[Scotty_ffgamer]

I didn't mind this episode, but the season has been boring after that first episode. I feel like the past 4 episodes should have been done in 2 regular length episodes max. It kind of feels like they just don't know what to do next so they are dragging everything out.

In any case, it's inspired me to start reading the comics just to see if the negan stuff is more interesting at all. Be a while before I get to that point, but I'm glad the comics are pretty different from the show so I still don't really know what's going to happen next.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I hope they learned their lesson from that last cliffhanger.

If the finale this Sunday ends on Rosita firing a bullet and we don't know if it hits or not I'm jumping out the nearest window.

The single plotline storytelling really did damage to this season. In what other show can you get away with showing your main character only 30% of the time? 7 episodes in and we've seen Maggie twice? Carol and Morgan once?

All that's really happened this season is establishing how scary Negan is with 2 deaths that should have happened last season.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

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[Bubba]

Still haven't watched last week's :lol:

[Psychotic]

Not bad indeed. More like that please.

[Bubba]

Once again, this show carries on with its annoying habit of being boring for five of six episodes then a decent one comes along eventually. You could see Spencer's death coming a mile off. As soon as he invited Rosita to dinner I was like "No way that's gonna happen. Bye Spencer!"

It's nice they're all back together now (except Morgan and Carol) so I'm hoping for no more characters going missing for three episodes.

[Bubba]

Lol remember this?

[Psychotic]

It's been pretty bad. The awful Mad Max wannabe "Take Rick to the up up and up!" people especially.

[Shauna]

It has been so terrible. I think I kind of liked either the last episode or the one before, but I cannot remember what I liked about it enough to describe it to help identify.

[Crop]

Never got round to watching episode 4 in the first half of the season. No regrets.

[Vincent, Thunder God]

I thought the last episode with Michonne and Rick was pretty good. A lot of the time it's the performances that really carry the show.

[Nice]

As much as I've fallen back in love with the show, thanks in part to Negan and the Saviors, Walking Dead needs to end. The filler episodes where character and plot progression is rationed out is old.

[Shauna]

I am watching this week's episode right now.

Zzzzzzz

[Psychotic]

This one wasn't bad, relatively. Morgan is one of the few good protagonists left.

[KleinerKiller]

Ah... this show. *sigh*

I'm a reader of the comics, so I'm naturally a little biased toward the superior version of the story, but it really does boggle the mind how they can hit perfection in one episode (the season premiere, probably my favorite episode of the whole show) and then fall back into the crippling pacing and character development problems that have plagued them for most of the run despite having the best arc in the comics as a launch pad. Jeffrey Dean Morgan always turns in a great performance as Negan, whose comics incarnation is one of my all-time favorite villains, but so often the show's writers give him lines and actions that turn him into a generic sadist overlord. And don't even get me started on the new villainous group they just introduced, who are basically just a deathly dull repeat of the already bland Wolves unnecessarily distracting from the Savior war.

And yet I can't quit it. I have to see what happens next, whether they can once again pull off a genuinely superb episode or just let more iconic moments slip through the cracks. The next season is undoubtedly going to be more of the same, and the big battle will probably be a letdown, but I just need to see it. I can't stop. I need help.

[Scruffington]

This was probably the worst season of The Walking Dead.

Negan was definitely overused and drawn out to the point where a lot of his appearances are straight up annoying. However, I still really like him. Jeffrey Dean Morgan does a terrific job portraying him, and he definitely interjects a lot of humor into the show.

I think the best part about this season was Ezekiel. He's genuinely interesting and so different from the main cast. The dude is a breath of fresh air from characters like Carol and Morgan, who are retreading old ground in their story arcs.

Hopefully with this season being dedicated to All Out War, they can focus more on story and less on filler.

[KleinerKiller]

Hopefully with this season being dedicated to All Out War, they can focus more on story and less on filler.

I remember when people were hoping that about the prison, and then about Woodbury and the Governor, and then about Alexandria, and then about the Saviors and Negan. We're all going to get burned again, I just know it. The more tightly paced the source material is, the more the show feels the need to drag it out and stuff it full of irrelevant subplots.

[Scruffington]

Hopefully with this season being dedicated to All Out War, they can focus more on story and less on filler.

I remember when people were hoping that about the prison, and then about Woodbury and the Governor, and then about Alexandria, and then about the Saviors and Negan. We're all going to get burned again, I just know it. The more tightly paced the source material is, the more the show feels the need to drag it out and stuff it full of irrelevant subplots.

I actually really enjoyed Season 3. Then Season 4 was most likely my favorite in the series after 5.

I think it's most likely because the show was still in its earlier stages. It also had a much more interesting setting and character dynamics compared to what we have now. Season 7 just feels like it's retreading old ground in so many areas, and fatigue is starting to set in.

[Bubba]

All desire to catch up with this show has left me now.

[KleinerKiller]

I actually really enjoyed Season 3. Then Season 4 was most likely my favorite in the series after 5.

I think it's most likely because the show was still in its earlier stages. It also had a much more interesting setting and character dynamics compared to what we have now. Season 7 just feels like it's retreading old ground in so many areas, and fatigue is starting to set in.

I can't forgive Season 3 for stripping the most interesting elements out of the prison arc, softening and hopelessly muddling the Governor's character, and worst of all, reducing one of the source material's most enduring badasses in Andrea into a helpless waif whose every other line of dialogue seemed to be "THE GOVERNOR ISN'T REALLY A BAD PERSON YOU BIG MEANIES, LET HIM KILL A FEW MORE PEOPLE BEFORE YOU JUDGE HIM." Wasted potential irritates me more than no potential.

Season 4 was rock-solid, though, for the most part. As were the first few episodes of Season 5, when the threat was the Terminus Hunters, who really ought to have stuck around more for how interesting, sympathetic, and heavily set up they were. And then the show took off on a tangent to a random hospital full of indistinct jerks, and we've been in an only occasionally worthwhile tailspin ever since.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

New trailer released at comic con.

Sooooo at the end we see "Old Man Rick". Isn't that kind of a bad thing? I mean unless he found some hair dye and decided to gray himself up for no reason, doesn't this just show he survives the upcoming All Out War? Therefore removing the tension of any scene where his life is in danger?

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[Scotty_ffgamer]

Could be a dream. Could also be one of those death hallucinations too. I doubt we'd get a time jump that big this season unless they are going to start winding down the series. That part of the trailer was really weird and felt out of place though. If anything it'll create the thought you had and make people feel less invested potentially since that tension may be gone for them.

I just hope that this season is more enjoyable than last season for me. I honestly think that the all out war arc should've been a part of last season as the pacing was way too slow and awful I thought. There were some good episodes but I thought it was a weak season overall.

[KleinerKiller]

What a bizarre trailer. An overly long montage showing nothing of much note, leading up to a blur of action moments set to weirdly upbeat music for what's supposed to be the climactic turning point of all the show's drama. So... pretty much perfectly befitting the show in general, now that I think about it.

Negan's drawn-out bit at the start just makes me mourn how Jeffrey Dean Morgan's killer performance is being wasted on a character who only does justice to his comics incarnation in fits and starts.

On the "Old Man Rick" stinger, well the source material does continue for quite a while after Rick goes all beard-y and cane-y, so I don't think it's necessarily an indication of the show winding to a close soon. However, if they are following through with the time skip and moving into the Whisperers arc, so much of that material has already been used ahead of time with things like the Wolves and the obnoxious Scavengers that it'll probably just feel repetitive and weird.

It's also a REALLY FREAKIN' WEIRD thing to show in the trailer when they're supposed to be hyping the suspense of All-Out War; I'm still struggling to rationalize them dragging out the March to War arc so long and talking about doing the time-skip mid-season. So help me, if that's the cold open of the season and they want uninformed people to speculate on what leads to Rick's status and leg injury, I'm dropping this show.

[BustaMo]

Walking Dead. Wow, I haven't watched any of the episodes since late 2011 when the 2nd season had just been aired. I honestly can't remember a thing about it, so I may have to fire it up after I finish off my Grey's Anatomy series on Netflix.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Whatever they decide to do this season, they really need to put their foot on the gas and not let up.

We have entered the All Out War arc. Not only does our group of humans have to fight a war with other humans, they are surrounded by a zombie apocalypse on all sides. Bodies better start dropping like flies.

This whole "let's kill one, maybe two, major characters a season" needs to stop. Your cast is well over 50 people at this point. If you're going to be a show in an apocalyptic world, you need to act like it.

All this, coming from a die hard fan who felt like the show could do no wrong for a good 5 years. I've been soured by the past 2 seasons and i'm ready for The Walking Dead to live up to its potential.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

We've made it to episode 100.

Was this a good episode of The Walking Dead? Yes. Was it a great 100th episode milestone with a bunch of shocking and memorable moments? Not really.

It was a lot of fun, though. It's good to have the show back, as always.

I know it's cliche at this point to expect someone to die in either the first or last episode of a season, but I was really expecting something huge out of such a milestone episode. "100" is supposed to be something people remember for years to come. Walkers laying waste to the savior's sanctuary with as of yet no casualties just didn't do it for me. It certainly didn't warrant a 2 hour Talking Dead afterwards.

The first half of the episode was just characters getting hyped for all out war, which we already established was coming last season.

I feel like this is an episode I'll appreciate more if I binge watch the season as a whole.

[Psychotic]

I thought it was decent by modern Walking Dead standards. Stuff happened!

[Depression Moon]

I dropped after season 4, but I watched this season premiere and damn people have died. Looks like Tyrese, Sasha, and Glenn died, but fucking Carol is still alive somehow. Seeing no Glenn almost made me not want to watch the episode. The show looks like some kind of Mad Max spinoff and that brotha with the dreads looks like he's supposed to be in another show.

Cool to see that Morgan is still alive and have joined Rick's crew, but why in the hell didn't Rick shoot Negan as soon as he walked out the door. That wasn't a smart move on either of their parts. This new villain seems like a comedic one which is different. I've been going through the series again on Netlfix and am back to where I left off with season 4, but let's see if I can make it season 5 this time. Knowing Glenn isn't going to make it is hard though.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I also thought they should have shot Negan as soon as he walked out the door.

Then I realized they waited until after explaining to the people next to him that they had a chance to walk away, it made sense to hold off. I like that Rick didn't finish his countdown and started firing at 7, though.

[Vincent, Thunder God]

I was skeptical when I first saw people saying that Fear the Walking Dead is now the better show, but I've got to admit that, after two weak seasons, this third season was surprisingly good. The writing can still be really clumsy at times but I thought some of the characters really came into their own this season. I'm interested to see what they do with it next year with the new showrunners. If you guys are looking for a good replacement show and can get through the first two seasons, I'd recommend it. Plus the new villain kind of looks like Loony Bob.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

This episode was pretty legit :up:

I love Fear the Walking Dead. I try to tell people that season 3 (that just finished) was better than even the past couple seasons of the flagship show.

Every friend and podcaster I know who I know would have enjoyed season 3 stopped watching at the end of season 2. Which is a shame, because it was the best season of either Walking Dead I'd seen since maybe the Terminus storyline.

[Psychotic]

I liked this episode too. Rick and Morgan getting glimpses into what they've become were good and handled well.

Also I need to see a photo of this FtWD lonny bob!

[Vincent, Thunder God]

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[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Every once in a while I found myself wondering whatever happened to that guy and his family from season one. A lot of people might not have remembered him but I've rewatched season one many times at this point so I knew who it was right off the bat. I was glad they brought him back and thought this would be an interesting way to do it.

Loved this episode overall but found myself getting frustrated by Jesus.

They were on a search and destroy mission to take out saviors in and around the compound. You don't want to shoot someone who surrendered? Fine. But after the fact you realize he wasn't really surrendering, and then you still want to tie him up anyway? Especially after going through the compound and killing people up to that point? Come on now.

I get that not every member of these huge communities is going to feel the same way but you're out there to end a war and you're gonna be a liability on a battlefield if you hold people like Tara back.

[Vincent, Thunder God]

At first as I was watching I was thinking - "Am I the only one completely confused by what the actual plan of attack is here?" but then I read the AV Club review and the reviewer had the same criticism. I think they're going a bit too far with the "no explanation non-linear storytelling" approach so far this season - it's been a bit of a problem since season 6 really. I think I'd enjoy these convoluted attacks a lot more if I had any idea of what everyone's trying to do.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

A lot of people had trouble following the last episode in terms of location.

I knew they were attacking the outposts based on Dwight's notes, and we've seen the satellite station before, but we have no context of where everyone is and how far apart they are from eachother. 4 different groups?

Carol and Ezekiel
Aaron and Eric
Rick and Daryl
Jesus Tara and Morgan

Even among them people were wondering if some of those groups were in the same compound, just in different areas of the compound.

I'd still take doing things this way over the single plotline story telling of the past couple seasons. No more of this one episode at the kingdom, one episode at the hilltop etc. I'd rather they just have most people in every episode.

[Shiny]

Pretty strong first two episodes. This gives me hope.

[Del Murder]

I only stopped into this thread because I saw Shiny post. I expected more.

Uh, so, did they kill off Rick yet?

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Not yet, but they really drove home in the first episode Rick saying "this isn't about me" and Michonne telling Carl "this is your show now". Seems like a big wink to the camera, so who knows.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Best episode of the season so far. So powerful.

As a comic fan I knew what was coming and it was still tough.

[Shauna]

I feel like this entire season so far has just been automatic guns being fired and nothing else.

[Psychotic]

I've liked this season so far, but here's the most bizarre criticism of all time: What the fuck kind of self-indulgent TV show waits until fifteen minutes into the episode before playing the opening titles? :colbert:

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

They didn't say it but I think it's apparent that Gabriel was bit when he got hit with the zombie waterfall.

Eugene has all his evidence lined up to prove Dwight is the inside man, but I think this is where his redemption arc finally gets some legs, and he finds a way to put it on someone else. Probably Simon, because there was tension between Negan and his right hand man more than once this episode. "If you were trying to sabotage your group from the inside, wouldn't you put all your faith in Gregory?" Something like that.

This is the version of Daryl I like the best, primal and no nonsense. I think once the writers learned that people like seeing Daryl cry and be vulnerable they started leaning into that side of him really hard but every once in a while the hardened lone wolf comes through and its perfect.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Rick taking out like 4 people in his underwear with a stick was really impressive.

I'm not really sure why that gave the garbage heapsters a change of heart, though.

I'm pleasantly surprised by Eugene's actions, it kept the episode unpredictable. It's still playing out but I didn't expect him to double down on his heel turn. He wants to help people I guess but not a single person at his own expense.

That overhead shot of the kite with the mp3 player on it was cool looking, it was unique for tv.

[Psychotic]

Yeah, Eugene is good, the garbage fuckers not so much.

[Vincent, Thunder God]

I haven't even watched any of the episodes since the third. Going to have to catch up eventually. I think it's generally more fun to binge-watch. I used to watch all the Talking Deads as well but it might just be more fun watching the episodes in succession.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Someone getting bit off screen is a trope at this point and it's bulltrout. Especially a character that important. Imagine how much more impactful it would have been if Rick and Carl spent more than 3 minutes together each season.

I'm still not really sure I get how the Savior's escaped. They kind of brushed it under the rug as "Eugene's smart", but they established in just the last episode that he was running out of ideas.

If I divorce myself from those gripes, the episode itself was fantastic. A great half season overall.

I'm so proud of Maggie this season. I feel like she's really grown into her leadership. Definitely one of my favorite characters.

[Psychotic]

I agree entirely with what you said. I find it hard to believe Carl will die even though logic only points in one direction.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Oh and also

Character we've never seen before is conveniently in the backseat of Maggie's car so that they can kill someone we don't care about when Simon orders a death :/

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Hey we're back. Good episode, but a lot of the emotional weight was taken away by knowing who was going to die 3 months ago.Glad they got rid of the Kingdom saviors. I loved when Carl called Michonne his best friend. It's one of the relationships on the show that's totally believable and has been long lasting.

[Psychotic]

So I decided to not bother watching this half season and just watch the finale instead. I genuinely don't feel like I missed anything of note and every new development eg Rick going for the NEW WORLD was easily explained in just that episode. This show really is all fart and no shit.

[Shauna]

Yeah nothing really happened at all.

This show needs to call it.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I saw the finale in a theater. Really enjoyed watching with a crowd.

When I look back on this season I enjoyed it but not a lot happened when I think about it.

The trash people are gone. A lot of anonymous people from every group are gone. Negan's going to Jail. And that basically describes 8 episodes.

Simon was the highlight of this season. Steven Ogg steals the show. But he died, too.

There's no reason Rick vs Negan should have lasted two and a half seasons. The introduction of the Saviors to now has been 40 episodes.

[Scotty_ffgamer]

This had the potential to be a pretty great storyline, but it did get drug out for way too long.

I’ve mostly lost interest in the show, but my wife still makes me watch it.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Honestly, this would have been a great time to end the series. The zombies are a manageable threat, they just defeated a large adversary, and all that's left now is for the 5 communities to grow and rebuild society. If you take out the plotting Maggie scene, it could have been done.

They don't show any signs of slowing down, though. The show does really well for AMC. Even the Talking Dead after show get's more views than most things on the channel. It's a cash cow they don't want to kill.

I liked this season more than the last two, but season 5 Terminus is still the peak Walking Dead year.

The hope going forward is that with a new showrunner and potentially a time jump, season 9 acts like a soft reboot to the show. But I'd bank on it being more of the same.

[Vincent, Thunder God]

I'm really struggling to even get to the mid-season break, and this is coming from someone who used to be a huge fan. I don't know if I'll ever finish the season. If I do it'll probably be dropped for good after that.

[Bubba]

Barry... where’s Barry?

[Bubba]

So... Andrew Lincoln is leaving The Walking Dead.

Following in the footsteps of 90% of the show’s audience.

[Shauna]

Maybe they'll just put the show to rest.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I had a lot of thoughts about how they never should have killed Carl, or how they're now reportedly driving a monster truck full of money into Norman Reedus' lap to take up the leading man role.

But honestly, as a show set in the zombie apocalypse, they should have taken a Game of Thrones approach from the start. Anyone can die at anytime. You avoid the golden goose that way. And it's more realistic.

They should have just ended it last season.

[Bubba]

It'd be funny if they decided not to kill him off. Keep his spot open for a possible return.

AMC Exec: "How about this, guys! Rick leaves the group to start his own business selling furniture made out of the rotting flesh of walkers! He returns three years later when he has to file for bankruptcy."

Either that or they could go full Bobby Ewing. Have Rick start season 10 in the shower at Alexandria having dreamt the last five years.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

The more I think about it the more flabbergasted I get.

So the whole shtick of Rick's motivation was how he passed on his leadership skills and knowledge of the world to Carl to help his son survive as a young man in the apocalypse, but then when the writer's decided to axe Carl, they pulled a switcharoo and decided that actually the son was teaching the father about humility and true leadership.

So now when Rick leaves are they going to pull a double switcharoo and reveal that it was really all about how Rick wants to impart his knowledge and wisdom on to his infant daughter?

The reason Carl was shot in the chest and the face was so that when he became a true leader in this world, you wouldn't feel like he got through unscathed. His mom's dying words were about how he was going to beat this world. The narrative inconsistencies in this show shamble on worse than the zombies.

[Vincent, Thunder God]

I'm also really disappointed with where they've gone with FtWD Season 4. It was just getting somewhere interesting at the end of Season 3. If they wanted to do a Morgan side story, they should have made a new spinoff or incorporated it into the main show (they're going to have less characters to work with there soon anyway). FtWD should have stayed as the story of the Clarkes, Salazar and Strand - a time jump with new characters ruins the original idea of the show. I've only started watching the first episode, but I've read some spoilers for later in the season and it looks like it only gets worse from there. Also I still haven't finished season 8 of the main show, so I'm kind of lost when the new FtWD starts after that with Morgan and Jesus - pretty ridiculous for what was originally meant to be a prequel show.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Negan is being added to Tekken 7 so.....that's a thing.

Noctis is in that game too so if you're in the niche crowd of people who want to see a final fantasy vs walking dead 1v1 this thread in this forum is the ideal place for you.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

So you know how when a show gets bad, people stick around like "I'll hang on and see if next season gets better", and then the next season comes around and it's the same old thing, but people still say "I'll hang on and see if the next season is a return to form". Meanwhile 3 seasons go by of people hanging on for something better and they finally give up.

The Walking Dead finally did what people hoped it would do. It's finally good again in season 9, rivaling the highs of season 5. Except now for many people it's too little, too late. The people who were hanging on "for just one more season" finally let go after season 8. And now The Walking Dead is sitting here at season 9, as good as it has ever been, and I'm the only person watching this show now.

They took too long to get where they needed to go to keep the larger audience. However, the dedicated fanbase is still large enough to keep it the biggest show on AMC, so it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

[Shauna]

I completely forgot about this show lmao

[Vincent, Thunder God]

Well after skipping most of Season 8 and hearing Season 9 was a bit better, I gave it a go.

The episodes before Rick and Maggie left were probably the strongest. Afterwards it lost a bit of steam but I was surprised to find the new characters growing on me a bit. The scene with Connie in the fields was surprisingly tense. I'm also glad Daryl and Carol have gotten some scenes together (though I wondered if Carol was the one who trapped Dog to get Daryl to go with Henry, which is pretty mean when you think about it). Once Danai Gurira leaves though next season aside from those two from Season 1 the next longest-serving main characters will be from Season 4! I'm pissed off they killed off Jesus because he was just starting to have more potential as a character and was one of the better Season 6 additions.

At first the cold open almost felt like a low-budget parody of the actual show, until it turned dark (Alpha's Lydia song reminds me of Phoebe's Smelly Cat song from Friends lol) but man that ending was brutal. I think the last "death" I was really upset at was Glenn's fake dumpster death, and then when he really died it just seemed exploitative/emotional manipulation. I will admit Darryl's tears at Rick's fake death were somewhat affecting, and now trying to take Carol's eyes off Henry. Disappointed most at Enid actually, I guess Tara as well. Sort of felt bad for poor blacksmith dude - guess he'll have to be a single adoptive dad. Apparently in the comics the King and Rosita died instead. If they keep killing off all these regulars it's going to mostly be new cast members and random extras. Clearly they like to kill off some of the longer-serving actors to avoid giving them a higher salary. But they're giving Reedus a $90 million deal and Carol $30 million, so clearly they've got cash to throw around for salaries. I think Lauren Cohan left because she asked for a raise and they refused. Mistake IMO.