Murder

[Elskidor]

Are there any homicides that stick with you? Are they unsolved, solved or maybe solved but thought to be falsely accused and convicted? Is this subject too morbid? I sometimes find myself rereading old cases to see if there has been updates, or just to check on the status of guilty parties to see if they are still locked up or have since been released.


Shanda Sharer has got to be the one crime that stands out to me over the others. The 12 year old girl lured from her home, and tortured and raped for ten hours straight by 3 jealous girl teenagers, and eventually burnt alive in 1992. More horrific than the act itself is the fact two of the girls who killed Shanda are already out of prison, and have been for a number of years.


The Duvall brothers of northern Michigan that murdered 2 hunters and fed the remains to pigs to cover up the crime for 20 years.


The controversial Jonbenet Ramsey case, and the fact that nobody has yet to be charged.


The still unsolved mystery of who the hell the Zodiac Killer or the Original Night Stalker has always been of interest. Who killed the Black Dahlia? Will this trout ever be solved?!?!?!


Lynn Harper was murdered in 1959, and they arrested and nearly hung a 14 year old boy for the murder. He served time in prison instead, but nearly 50 years later forensic evidence proved him innocent and rewarded 6.5 million. If he didn't do it..who did? Or did he really do it, and just get paid 6.5 million for his crime?


Do any cases stand out to anyone else? Which ones? I'm bored, and wouldn't mind reading over new interesting cases I've never heard of or have forgotten altogether.

[noxious.sunshine]

Jon Benet definitely.

Analyce Guerra will always stay with me. I think it might've made headlines nationwide, but very briefly if so. I worked with one of her older brothers in ESL around the time she disappeared. I think she was taken right before I started working at the school. She went to sleep on the couch one night and was gone by the next morning.

http://www.wkrn.com/story/20282062/renewed-effort-to-solve-case-of-murdered-smyrna-toddler?clienttype=printable

They finally found her bones buried in the side of the creek a year later. They still don't have any leads as to who did it.

Then there's Tabitha Tuders. Her older sister, Jamie, was one of my managers at Sonic. She disappeared one morning on the way to the bus stop. The family made appearances on Montell Williams (with Sylvia Brown) & Maury Povich.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/tuders_tabitha.html

It's been just over 10 years since she went missing and still no one has a clue as to what happened or where she is.

[Elskidor]

I'm willing to bet that Analyce Guerra's father either did it or had something to do with it. It just doesn't add up well for a random attack by a random attacker. Who knows though. Seems fishy.

There was story similar to the Tuder's girl in the paper not long ago. The person was found alive, and still with the kidnapper after all those years, so maybe she will turn up one day.

I sometimes will visit multiple web pages over a particular case and browse through the comments to find a recurring poster with the same name that shows extreme interest in the case, and wonder if there might be a guilty party on the other end of that post. Of course it would still be hard to figure out, because alotta people become obsessed with certain cases, but offenders often like to look back at their work so I'm sure it happens.

[Shorty]

I live not far from the Groene family's house here in Coeur d'Alene, and only think about what happened there whenever I do. Joseph E. Duncan III - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_E._Duncan_III)

[noxious.sunshine]

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say her father had anything to do with it, but it was obviously someone the family knew/knows. There were no signs of a struggle and the door was open the morning they found her missing.

They think that the person knocked & Analyce answered it and just went with them without waking anyone up or telling them.

[escobert]

Connecticut River Valley Killer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_River_Valley_Killer)

[Elskidor]

I live not far from the Groene family's house here in Coeur d'Alene, and only think about what happened there whenever I do. Joseph E. Duncan III - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_E._Duncan_III)

I found a documentary about it, and I'm gonna watch it. I've never heard of him.

Joseph E. Duncan III - Serial Killer - Documentary - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozLe7ODoF8o)

[noxious.sunshine]

Oh. There's also the Baseline Killer that ran around Phoenix, but they caught him. XD

They even made a Z-List horror movie about it. lol But it was pretty scary. I was living in the ghetto back when he was doing his thing so we had to kinda stay on our toes. I think the city suggested people get home before dark and not let their kids out or something.

[Spuuky]

My wife is a fan of all the random feet that wash up on Washington's coastline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salish_Sea_human_foot_discoveries).

[Spooniest]

Due to being raised a Beatle Fan, John Lennon's death has always had a profound impact on me.

"Oh, I see, so I can get killed for writing music that's socially conscious...great"

[Shlup]

My lover.

(Just kidding. The real answer is "no.")

[Aulayna]

I find the whole thing too morbid really. Fascinatingly morbid, in that I can read through stuff for hours if I get started, but it's generally not stuff I go looking for on a whim. I dunno I guess I avoid it because I like to kid myself that humanity isn't a race full of scumbags despite getting reminders to the contrary near every day.

[Calliope]

My wife is a fan of all the random feet that wash up on Washington's coastline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salish_Sea_human_foot_discoveries).

Uuuuuuuuuugh why?

;______________________________________;

*checks both feet are intact*

[Shorty]

I find the whole thing too morbid really. Fascinatingly morbid, in that I can read through stuff for hours if I get started, but it's generally not stuff I go looking for on a whim. I dunno I guess I avoid it because I like to kid myself that humanity isn't a race full of scumbags despite getting reminders to the contrary near every day.

I'll just leave this here. (http://murderpedia.org/)

[Elskidor]

Wow, nice little Murderpedia there. I Bookmarked it for later use. We've been watching some documentaries on murder cases lately so this stuff has been on the mind anyway, and I've always found it interestingly disturbing to hear about. Drama CSI or Bones TV shows usually don't interest me though, even if they are based on real stories.

Those are some funky feet!

[Minami]

I'm really interested in Jack the Ripper and i like to read about historic murders, there's a facebook page i'm a member of that posts two a day. Its really interesting.

Not exactly the same but i also like reading MyDeathSpace.com (http://mydeathspace.com/article-list.aspx) kinda morbid but oh well

[Elskidor]

What do you think the cut off age for children being tried as an adult should be? A couple years ago an 11 or 12 year old killed shot and killed a pregnant woman and her baby. It caused a whole lot of controversy on if he should be tried as an adult or child. Any thoughts. If he should have then at what age is old enough to know better? 6, 8, 10?

[Jessweeee♪]

I would say you know better as soon as you know that death is a thing that happens, but I don't necessarily agree that knowing better means a child should be tried as an adult.

[Madame Adequate]

Knowing that something is wrong and bad is emphatically not the same as understanding the consequences of your actions. Can a 10 year old or whatever really wrap their head around the realities of what ending a human life entails? Can they comprehend how much they have destroyed? I doubt it.

Also if you're going to push the age of trying someone as an adult lower and lower whenever you get outraged by a crime, what's the point? The whole idea of the child/adult thing is that below a certain age you don't understand fully what you have done; that limit may be an arbitrary one but it doesn't magically move around based on how angry the public is about a given crime. If you just shift it around as you feel like, then forget the whole thing.

[Quindiana Jones]

I'd just set 18 for everything. When you hit 18, you exist completely in your own right and should be treated as such. I disapprove of systems in which being 16 means you're an adult in terms of one thing, being 18 makes you an adult in terms of another, and being 21 makes you an adult in yet another category. It's just silly.

[Old Manus]

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[Elskidor]

While I think it is wrong to lower the age if a new evil act against another surfaces from an even younger person, I think it should be settled by a case by case basis. Everyone grows up slightly different and on different levels and time frames, so use doctors and psychologists. There were a couple of 9/10 year old boys that kidnapped and tortured a random child until he died, and they received all of 8 years. One of the children suffered from PTSD and guilt. The other did not seem to ever care, and once released he was caught and taken back to prison for something to do with child molesting and kiddie porn. This was predicted early on while their sentence was still being decided.

I think having to wait until the age of 18 to get in serious trouble would be a real bad idea. Kill some at 14 and get out at 18? Teenagers can be pretty evil, but removing the possibility of serious trouble would be like giving them a ticket to fulfill any sick or terrible crime with not, but a slap on the wrist. Maybe school shooter won't feel the need to commit suicide afterward. " She was being a bitch, and I'm jealous of her so I taught her a lesson." "Well, he was a bully so he got what he deserved."

I do agree that having a ton of separate ages for adulthood is silly in some ways. It might work if they went in a revamped the entire and tweaked up the crime/punishment and how the system works for someone under the age of 18. I'd be for the removal of having to be 21 to drink....that is stupid.

[Jessweeee♪]

I just don't think the severity of the crime or the emotional pain that the act causes should be the basis of whether or not a minor should be tried as an adult. "Are they mentally an adult?" should be the only question there. I may even one day go as far to say that children should never be tried as adults, but I don't quite have a fully formed opinion on that yet.

[noxious.sunshine]

Casey Anthony will always stick with me. How the bloody hell she got off of that.... It makes me sick.

Along with the injustice done to Amanda Knox in Italy... Yes, I know Meredith Kercher was the one who was tragically murdered, but the whole case was handled improperly and only served as an injustice to both Meredith and Amanda.

There's also Natalee Holloway. Yeah, Joran Van Der Sloot was finally arrested for murdering a Peruvian girl in his hotel room, but from what I last read, he still hadn't been charged for the disappearance and death of Natalee.

[Tigmafuzz]

My wife is a fan of all the random feet that wash up on Washington's coastline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salish_Sea_human_foot_discoveries).

I was laughing so hard while reading this.