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Forsaken Lover
12-27-2013, 08:15 PM
Final Fantasy X-2.5 plot summary [More Summary, Tidus/Yuna Redesign Art/New Char Art] - NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=741166)

And you thought the Compilation and XIII sequels were badly written.

Long live the single shoopuf so it may be enslaved.

Ayen
12-27-2013, 08:26 PM
I don't... I like how her hair is down in the one picture but, what? I just--

Goddammit, Square, stop ruining trout that I like!

Please be a mistranslation.

Psychotic
12-28-2013, 08:26 AM
I liked Yuna's new hairdo and the Shoopuff story. Yep. That's all I got.

maybee
12-28-2013, 12:18 PM
The Final Fantasy fandom is going bonkers over this....


But I think that it sounds promising.....



BARALAI PLAYABLE PLEASE DREAM SINCE 2005

Jinx
12-28-2013, 01:14 PM
So obviously Tidus is turning into Sin, which is why he's acting different, and why he's injured. He's obviously trying to fight it because he's a good guy, but his new Jecht-like hairstyle can imply that he's going the way of his pop. Also, a shoopuf coming back, as well as fayth coming back, says that things that should be permanently gone aren't anymore. Hence, Sin is returning, and now Tidus has to become sin.

I like the new designs, dunno why you're bitching. It looks good. Times have changed for them.

The most interesting thing to me is that FFX-2 was a "bad dream" and Rikku and Paine aren't mentioned? xD Hmm, I wonder how that will play out!

Forsaken Lover
12-28-2013, 02:50 PM
I'm bitching because the stuff on FF.net is better written than this garbage.

HERFDERF AURON HAS A DAUGHTER!

And they never even vaguely suggested the Shoopuf in X was the only one left. Enslave ze Shoopuf?

Jinx
12-28-2013, 04:24 PM
No, I'm asking why people are bitching about the updated character designs.

Also, if Auron has a daughter, it's Paine.

Ayen
12-28-2013, 05:10 PM
The story is complete drivel and doesn't deserve to see the light of day and it actually removes the growth that Yuna had in X-2 which was one of the few things I actually liked about that story. And from what I can understand it's suggesting that Lulu is Auron's daughter which makes just about as much sense as the rest of this sad pathetic excuse of a plot.

Pete for President
12-28-2013, 05:10 PM
Based on your reactions I will choose to ignore all that may damage my almost holy view of X, still my second favourite game of all time. That includes checking out the drama.

Forsaken Lover
12-29-2013, 03:47 AM
Full translation courtesy of a poster on TVTropes

Welp, so you can judge by yourselves instead of relying on my not-so-good summary, I've translated the audio drama for you. I took some liberties, but I think I got all the pyrefly-related terms right. I hope. Oh, but I should warn you I didn't even try with the new characters' names, and toward the end I just called the boy Kuru because I sure as hell got tired of typing the whole name. Anyway, in case the wall of white text isn't indicative enough: SPOILERS.

Tidus: It has been two years since the Eternal Calm began.
I have obtained a new life.
I stayed with Yuna for a year.
It was truly...great.

Chiami: Kurugum and I were walking around the Bevelle stadium (once called the Mika stadium). The stadium was supposed to be completed and open to the public soon so the tournaments can begin. If not, I don't know how the council of Spira intends to take responsibility for this....
Well, anyway. It has nothing to do with me.
My problem is this crowd of people, and the shining star standing at the centre...

Kurugum: Chiami, we have to hurry!
Chiami: We're late because I was waiting for you. Hey, isn't that Tidus?
Kurugum: Hm? Oh, it's really him!
Chiami: Let's go see him up close.
Kurugum: Um...right.
Chiami: What? Don't tell me you're nervous...
Kurugum: Heheh...Um...

Chiami: What makes Kurugum so nervous about Tidus isn't his status as a Blitzball superstar. It's because he's one of the legendary guardians, the man who saved Spira along with High Summoner Yuna. In truth, I'm a little nervous too...
He must have known...my father.

Chiami: Tidus, sir. Give it your best!
Tidus: Hiya!
Chiami: "Hiya"? He sounded carefree, but when I shook his hand, it was like he had no strength at all.

Tidus: Well, I have to get going! See ya all at the stadium!

Kurugum: He's really a star...
Chiami: Well, I'll give him that. However...
Kurugum: What?
Chiami: He's hurt. He might be not be well. Anyway, Kurugum. Who do you think will win the championship?
Kurugum: Probably the Besaid Aurochs.
Chiami: What's your second choice?
Kurugum: The Al Bhed Psyches, maybe.
Chiami: Alright, let's go place some bets. We might just make a profit, you know.
Kurugum: I...don't really know about that...

Chiami: Let me introduce us properly. This is my childhood friend, Kurugum. Normally, he would be a summoner, but at these times, he is an official senderr of the Spiran council. He specialises in sending people to the Farplane.
My name is Chiami, and I act as his assistant. Though, in truth, I call the shots in this relationship.
Don't get the wrong idea! We're not lovers or anything. Nor will we ever be. I don't know about the future, but this much I'm sure of.

Kurugum: Hey. Let's go.
Chiami: Right, right.

Chiami: We headed to Besaid Island as represantives of the head of the Spiran Council, Baralai. It's just another errand.

(On the ship)
Kurugum: Is that Besaid Island?
Chiami: Silly, that's obviously Kilika-
Shipguy: We're approaching Besaid Island! Gather your belongings!
Chiami: Is that a sneer, I hear?
Kurugum: Me? Neve-owowow, that hurts! Cut it out!

Chiami: Our aim is to meet High Summoner Yuna. Right now, she holds the position of the counsellor of Yevoner. That anachronistic doctrine that blindly follows tradition, a band of guardians over all our morals and rules. The trouble the radical Yevoners have caused has died down, but the fact that this group still somehow exists in Spira leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I hate Yevoners. On the other hand, saying that I have no interest in meeting the heroine who defeated Sin and released Spira from a thousand years of hell would be a lie. She must have known my father as well...

(in the village)
Lulu: And? What exactly does the council want?
Kurugum: M-My apologies, mayor Lulu. However, my instructions say that I must speak personally to Lady Yuna-
Wakka: Is that it? Welp, you're expecting us to say there's no helping it and take you to her? Nope.
Lulu: We are here so Yuna need not be disturbed. Well? What is your issue?
Kurugum: But-
Wakka: I guess I can understand your position. Okay, here's what we'll do: I'll take you to where Yuna is and listen to your story on the way.

I almost wanted to say something, but I kept my mouth shut. This huge-boobed mayor and her servant were legendary guardians as well. Eventually, I might have to inquire them about my father. Picking a fight with them right now is not advised.

(In the temple)
Wakka: This used to be called the Cloister of Trials. Without the Fayth this is just a corridor, but in the past, summoners used to pass through here to get to the Chamber of the Fayth. That's where Yuna is.
Chiami: What is Lady Yuna doing there now? The Fayth are no longer here.
Wakka: She's praying. Even without the Fayth, that is her current job.
Kurugum: What is Lady Yuna praying for?
Wakka: Spira's peace-
Chiami: Crappy lie~
Wakka: Did you say something?
Chiami: Not at all! Say, Wakka, sir...I don't know much about Yevoners. What is your goal? It can't be something like restoring the temples, right?
Wakka: What? No. But it's important, so keep it in mind. Yevoners are not trying to rule the world via the temples as the old Yevon used to. They just teach us to abide by the teachings in our daily lives.
Chiami: I don't see how that is any different from before...
Wakka: The temples used to feed us with outrageous lies, like how Sin was born from our transgressions and that we had to abstain from machina to atone. But besides those, there were pretty respectable things among the teachings. Cherish the blessings of nature, pray, love thy neighbou-
Chiami: So, weren't all those common sense? It's not like you have to be a Yevoner or pray in order to do that.
Wakka: That's what I'm sayin', ya? People lead different livestyles. They're free. How old are you?
Chiami: 17.
Wakka: Then you'll get it soon enough. Adults don't get to change their lives so easily. There are people who cannot catch up with the times changing. Those gather under us Yevoners.
Kurugum: Is it different from New Yevon?
Wakka: New Yevon was just using Yevon's name to gather faithful followers. They were looking ahead, to the future.
Chiami: So apparently Yevoners look to the past, eh?
Wakka: That's not what I meant! Anyway, New Yevon is no more. It's now become the council. Nothing we can do about it, ya?
Chiami: By the sound of things, Yevoner is apparently a place for the weak to gather...
Kurugum: Chiami!
Wakka: Don't be so smug about it. We're all aware of it, ya?
Chiami: If you're aware of it, then you shouldn't be holing yourselves in this place. You should make an effort to improve the lives out there. Does thinking that just your prayers preserve Spira's peace make you happy with yourselves?
Wakka: Chiami, ya? Try to be a little more open-minded. And nicer. Those that think like you hurt those people.

Chiami: The way he said "those people" made me curious. It's as if he was talking about someone else.

Wakka: Wait here, ya? I'll go get Yuna. But only talk to her about what you were sent for. No picking on her like you did to me, or you'll be shown the door.

Chiami: "Picking"...maybe I did. It made me angry. Praying for Spira's peace? At such a time...
My mother died on a Yevoner hunt.
The hunter's spear pierced through her chest, and she bled to death.
She wasn't even a Yevoner! She just sympathized with their plight!
If only these Yevoners didn't exist...!

Kurugum: Chiami! I know...I know, but right now, we have a job to do.
Chiami: I know.
Kurugum: Please—oh, the Lady Yuna.
Yuna: Good day. Allow me to welcome you to Besaid, village of the Yevoners. I am Yuna, the High Priest.
Kurugum: An honour to meet you. I am Kurugum, an official sender. I had always wanted to meet you in person—oh, the head of the council, Lord Baralai, has sent something for you—
Yuna: I see. Then please, leave it here and go.
Chiami: Wait a minute..didn't you hear what he just said? He's always wanted to meet you! What do you-
Kurugum: Er, no, no, it's fine! Lady Yuna must be busy.
Chiami: Kurugum. You keep quiet.
Kurugum: But Lady Yuna said she's busy—
Chiami: To do what? Eat? Sleep? She doesn't even have time to talk to people who came all the way from Bevelle?
Yuna: I'm sorry, but I can't interrupt my prayers...
Chiami: I think Spira will be peaceful enough if it goes five minutes without prayer. Even when fights break out here and there, it's the council that mediates between them.
Yuna: Hmmm. You're right.
Chiami: EEEEEEEH?
Wakka: Hey! I told you to cut that out, ya? Just give us what you were supposed to.
Kurugum: Yes sir! Here it is!

Chiami: Kurugum handed Yuna a recording sphere entrusted to him by Lord Baralai. It contained a recording of the Moonflow. A huge, yet tame animal called a shoopuff was standing with another of its kind, binding their trunks together peacefully.

Wakka: Two shoopuffs?
Kurugum: The second one just appeared there one morning.
Wakka: Where did it even come from?! Wasn't the Moonflow shoopuff supposed to be the last of its kind?
Kurugum: There were two up until three years ago, but it appears the male one was attacked and killed by Sin. There is evidence that this is the same shoopuff.
Yuna: It must have been...called.
Wakka: No other explanation, I s'ppose...
Yuna: However, this wasn't Yevoner. I have forbidden summons outside the Farplane.
Kurugum: I don't know the details, but Lord Baralai tasked us with showing this to you and then escorting you back to Bevelle.
Yuna: Kurugum. You are a sender, correct? You can do this too. This shoopuff is an illusion created by pyreflies. If you send it, it will be over.
Kurugum: That isn't the only issue.
Chiami: Pyreflies float together again. They were always in the Moonflow, but something like this can't be normal.We have to investigate the source of this phenomenon and find out who called this shoopuff. I thought this was the Yevoners' handiwork. That's why Lady Yuna has to come and explain things. Her opinion matters the most, after all.
Wakka: Baralai...that damn...! Does he intend to have Yuna handle the whole council?
Yuna: Wakka...
Wakka: He promised he'd keep Yuna out of politics! That's why this thing...
Chiami: "This thing"?
Yuna: I'm sorry. I can't go. But then you'll get in trouble...ok, here's what we'll do: I'll write a letter sphere for you to take back to Baralai.
Chiami: We met Tidus in Bevelle. He's your lover, correct?
Yuna: Yes. Was he well?
Chiami: He was trying to hide it, but he looked hurt.
Yuna: Really? Wakka, did you know?
Wakka: Errr...no.
Chiami: You must be worried now...
Kurugum: Chiami...
Yuna: So that's how it is...
Wakka: Yuna. Let's go talk with Lu.
Yuna: Yes.

Chiami: When we exited the temple, they left us alone for a bit. I don't know what those people are talking about, but I'm sure of one thing. What sparked Yuna into action wasn't our plight, but the possibility that her boyfriend was hurt.

Chiami: Kurugum. I'm kinda...pissed off.
Kurugum: But we did our job. Although, I would have liked to talk to Lady Yuna a bit more. I have always wanted to ask her what a summoner's life is like now that there are no Fayth. Chiami, you should ask about Sir Aur-
Chiami: Hush! If they knew I was his daughter, they would treat me differently. This info is my ultimate weapo-
Lulu: Sir Auron's daugher?
Chiami: Mayor?!
Lulu: Is that true?
Chiami: It is. Why are you laughing!
Lulu: Have you ever lived together with him?
Chiami: No, but I heard from my mother—
Lulu: Have you met him?
Chiami: I was too young, so I don't remember. That proves nothing!
Lulu: But you don't look like him at all...
Chiami: I take after my mother.
Lulu: That other child looked more like him.
Chiami: Huh?
Lulu: Auron, Braska, Jecht...many imposters like to identify themselves as their children and ask for their belongings.
Chiami: You...you think I'm one of them? Are you calling my mother a liar?!
Lulu: I wouldn't go that far. But if Sir Auron had a child, there is no way you would not remember him. Nor would he hide it from us. That's the kind of person he was.

Chiami: Just because your rack is huge, you think you can act superior...Just because you knew Auron, you think you can say whatever you want?! That does it: this mayor is the enemy. Whatever. We'll eventually get to the bottom of this.
Anyway, we (myself, Kurugum, Yuna and her escort, Wakka) passed by the Moonflow before heading to Bevelle. The airship was broken, so the journey was harder than I imagined. A big crowd had gathered to observe the two Shoopuffs at the Moonflow.

Wakka: There's really two of them! Shoopuffs! And this is quite a crowd of onlookers!
Yuna: Wakka...it's a bit different. Half of these people are illusions. They are visions that pyreflies conjure by reacting with the thoughts of the living. It's just like the Farplane.
Kurugum: Yes.
Chiami: Kurugum? You can tell?
Kurugum: I can. For instance, that family there. The father and the daughter are alive, but that poor mother...
Chiami; I've never actually been to the Farplane, but they look pretty alive to me.
Yuna: They're a little different...almost like the real thing...
Father: Meilu, let's go. It'll be dark soon.
Meilu: Ok. Mum will be coming hom with us, right?
Father: That...isn't possible.
Meilu: Why! We just came to see her!
Father: Then let's come back here again. We can see her.
Meilu: NO! I want to go home with her!
Chimai: Uuugh, what a no good father. What did he expect? Having the girl say goodbye to her mother for a second time since she died is just cruel.
Meilu: Mummy! Let's go home! Together!
Mother: Yes, meilu...let's go home...
Meilu: Really?
Father: No way...
Kurugum: Lady Yuna...did you see this?
Yuna: I can't believe this...
Chiami: Kurugum! Explain.
Kurugum: Illusions that are called by pyreflies cannot speak. To be more precise they cannot hear voices.
Chiami: Then, they're not illusions? They could be real?
Yuna: We must report to the council as soon as possible.
Chiami: Yes, let's go. Hey, Kurugum! What are you doing! Don't surprise me like this!
Kurugum: If we don't send them...this will only distort the order of things.
Yuna: Kurugum. Let's just stop now. We'll just make them all sad.
Kurugum: But this is strange! It's abnormal, unnatural! If the council knew...that's why they contacted you, Lady Yuna! So you could do something!
Yuna: Even so, we cannot do this now. No one has the right to interfere with this reunion. Not us, and not the council.
Chiami: Just look at how happy they are. If you send them all, we'll just end up getting hit in the face. You'll even get me involved! Gimme a break...
Wakka: Before we proceed with any sendings, why don't we calm down first? Let's come back later.
Kurugum: But—
Yuna: Kurugum. Please.

Chiami: And so we returned to Bevelle.

Kurugum: Chiami, that's loud...
Chiami: Hmph! Just how long are we gonna wait?
Kuru: More importantly...
Chiami: "More importantly?" There's something more important than my questioon? Iiiiis there?
Kuru: When I stopped the sending, Lady Yuna looked relieved.
Chiami: I guess.
Kuru: I thought Lady Yuna was a just person.
Chiami: You admired her too much. Set your expectations too high.
Kuru: Perhaps...

Chiami: Thinking back, I should have been able to guess this would happen. What we saw at the Moonflow was not just an omen. It was the beacon for its resurrection. Before my eyes was...Sin.

Kuru: Sin...no way...Chiami! That has to be just some huge monster!
Yuna: No...that is Sin...Sin, who is not supposed to exist anymore!
Kuru: You mean...someone wished and called him back?!
Yuna: Yes...someone who strongly sought Sin.
Chiami: What are we gonna do!
Yuna: The only thing that can defeat Sin is the Final Summoning.
Kuru: But without the Fayth...!
Wakka: Yuna! Let's go back to Besaid. They'll just pile this on you. No one cares about the Fayth. Once they see Sin, it's all about the summoner handling it. Kuru, are you coming?
Kuru: I...will trust Lady Yuna's judgement!
Yuna: I...have to meet Tidus.

Chiami:What the hell is wrong with this woman!

(Chiami is pacing in the hallway)
Kuru: Chiami...
Chiami: How long is this wait gonna be?
Kuru: Chiami! This room!
Chiami: Hush!
Kuru: Chiami! Eavesdropping is bad!
Chiami: Don't you want to know what the High Summoner and the Blitzball star are saying? Now hush!
Tidus: What do you mean?
Yuna: You have that girl, don't you?
Tidus: I told you, Marfi is just a friend!
Yuna: Is that true?
Tidus: Yuna. If you think about it, you'll see.
Yuna: I can't.
Tidus: This isn't like you.
Yuna: You're right...I'm acting weird. I'm sorry.
Tidus: If you acknowledge it, then it's fine.
Yuna: That's not what I meant. I'm sorry. I can't see you anymore.
Tidus: Eh?
Yuna: I found someone that I like.
Tidus: Uhhh...Who?
Yuna: Someone you don't know.
Tidus: Then let me meet him!
Yuna: I'm sorry.

Chiami: Kuru...this came completely out of left field. This woman is having a lovers' quarrel now of all times? Hey, Kuru! Why are you crying?
Kuru: Chiami...I'm sorry. I love Lady Yuna...so I can't be with you. I'm sorry...
Chiami: What is that about? When did we ever...? I don't get you!
Kuru: If you don't feel like that, then it's fine. Yes, this is better...let's part ways here. We have to become independent.
Chiami: Kuru?
Kuru: You can't understand. Only summoners can.
Chiami: Ah. You finally said it. It's over.
Kuru: I'm sorry.
Chiami: Do what you want!

Chiami: Separated from the summoners, I returned to Besaid. A lot of crazy things happened and I wasn't thinking clearly, but I feel I may be drawn to those who have already defeated Sin once. I can't help but worry that this burden is too heavy for Kuru...

Tidus: And that's what happened.
Lulu: That's why you ran back here? I'll start laughing.
Tidus: Who do you think is this guy that Yuna likes?
Lulu: Use your head.
Tidus: But she said I don't know him!
Lulu: (sighs)
Tidus: What?
Lulu: Search and you'll find him.
Tidus: Buuuut...!
Lulu: You sad, sad man! I thought you understood Yuna a little better.
Tidus: I intended to, but...
Lulu: But.
Chiami: More importantly, Sin. I'm worried about them. What if this is random?
Lulu: And if it's not?
Chiami: Eh?
Lulu: Sin has been revived, yes? If something else can also be revived, then the return of Sin is not surprising.

Chiami: I didn't really understand, so I looked at Tidus. That man's eyebrows were raised, his gaze fixated on the mayor with his eyes widening in surprise.

Lulu: We have to go.
Tidus: ...Yeah.

Chiami (is apparently in a ship somewhere, since it's the Moonflow music): As always, I couldn't understand. But I couldn't ask. All I finally managed to ask was...

Chiami: I wonder where they are?
Tidus: Wherever they go, I'll follow.
Yuna: Even though she abandoned you?
Tidus: I promised I'd always be with her.

Chiami: I wondered why he sounded so fond of her. After seeing his face in pain though, I could do nothing but keep quiet.

(Yuna is in a stadium with people cheering)

Yuna: I will defeat Sin. I must defeat Sin!

Tiny detail: The word used for the dead and Sin coming back isn't "summon" (召喚), but call (呼び寄せる), which, as far as I can tell, is the word used when people remember their dead in the Farplane.

Elskidor
12-29-2013, 03:59 AM
Just read this, and it is bad bad. What in the hell? Nope, with stuff like this I don't think Final Fantasy as a whole is making a come back any time soon. Garbage.

Pumpkin
12-29-2013, 04:14 AM
I am confused. So all of X-2 just basically didn't happen? And din't they find out at the end that Sin could be defeated without the Final Summon? And yet she is saying that the only thing that can defeat Sin is the Final Summon? I am so confused :confused:

Forsaken Lover
12-29-2013, 04:23 AM
X-2 happened as that's why Tidus is alive again. It seems to me that his being returned in the Good/Perfect Ending of X-2 has screwed up the world, allowing other dead things to come back too.

Maybe they're pulling an FFXIII/XIII-2 where the good guys swooping in to help only caused more problems.

Ayen
12-29-2013, 04:27 AM
So getting the 100% perfect ending screws us all over?

Is it possible for incentive to go into the negatives?

Jinx
12-29-2013, 04:52 AM
I imagine that FFX-2 happened, but Yuna is becoming more serious again because Sin is back.

Aulayna
12-29-2013, 05:11 AM
So, I had a thought. What if the Shinra thing is part of X-3 and X-3 is actually the origin story of Jenova and at the end of X-3 we get a teaser for a remake of VII.

Jinx
12-29-2013, 05:16 AM
So, I had a thought. What if the Shinra thing is part of X-3 and X-3 is actually the origin story of Jenova and at the end of X-3 we get a teaser for a remake of VII.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa196/narcissisticprincess09/sg017lt_zpsd01ce38c.gif (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/narcissisticprincess09/media/sg017lt_zpsd01ce38c.gif.html)

Ayen
12-29-2013, 05:38 AM
So, I had a thought. What if the Shinra thing is part of X-3 and X-3 is actually the origin story of Jenova and at the end of X-3 we get a teaser for a remake of VII.

I'd talk about how stupid it is to link two universes of the main series together when they're supposed to be separate from each other with only certain elements being retained in each game in the spirit of the franchise. Some VII fans somewhere would probably talk about how much it sucks that VII and X take place in the same universe because they hate X.

Besides, Square has said they're not doing a remake of VII, period, didn't they? So this is highly unlikely.

Forsaken Lover
12-29-2013, 06:42 AM
Lulu became Mayor McTits so if we see Dona again she obviously runs Killika with dat ass of hers.

The Man
12-29-2013, 06:50 AM
So, I had a thought. What if the Shinra thing is part of X-3 and X-3 is actually the origin story of Jenova and at the end of X-3 we get a teaser for a remake of VII.

I'd talk about how stupid it is to link two universes of the main series together when they're supposed to be separate from each other with only certain elements being retained in each game in the spirit of the franchise. Some VII fans somewhere would probably talk about how much it sucks that VII and X take place in the same universe because they hate X.

Too late, the universes were already confirmed as linked a long time ago.

As far as I know Square Enix have refused to rule out a remake, but they also haven't ever said they're definitely doing one. And honestly I'm glad they haven't confirmed a remake because they'd screw it up. This audio drama sounds bad bad bad.

Ayen
12-29-2013, 06:52 AM
Too late, the universes were already confirmed as linked a long time ago.

..........................

Goddammit, Square!

Aulayna
12-29-2013, 09:31 AM
Shinra (Final Fantasy X-2) - The Final Fantasy Wiki has more Final Fantasy information than Cid could research (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Shinra_%28Final_Fantasy_X-2%29#Connection_to_Final_Fantasy_VII)

maybee
12-29-2013, 03:49 PM
So much hate in this house.


X-3 is going to be amazing, you'll all see.



:colbert:

Hambone
01-01-2014, 12:18 AM
X-2 happened as that's why Tidus is alive again. It seems to me that his being returned in the Good/Perfect Ending of X-2 has screwed up the world, allowing other dead things to come back too.

Maybe they're pulling an FFXIII/XIII-2 where the good guys swooping in to help only caused more problems.

I don't think it was when Bahamut's fayth asked Yuna if she wanted to be with Tidus again that prompted this disarray of the Farplane and the dead coming back. That would mean that somehow the fayth are the cause of it, and while that hasn't been ruled out, I don't think it's the case.

I think it's instead more connected to Yuna's revival of Tidus in FFX-2.5. Sin isn't mentioned to be back until the audio drama, and Yuna revives him at some point during FFX-2.5, which is said to take place before the audio drama.


I imagine that FFX-2 happened, but Yuna is becoming more serious again because Sin is back.

The events of FFX-2 being referred to as a bad dream probably isn't literal; I think of it as Yuna looking at the past and being like "did I really act like that/think that way?" much like how we would if we were looking back at a phase of our life and are disgusted by it (e.g. "high school was a bad dream. I can't believe I dressed so poorly/acted like such an idiot.") The return of Sin probably makes the events of FFX-2 seem dream-like and distant to Yuna because they were based on a world where not only was Sin rid of, but more importantly, where Sin could never conceivably come back. Yuna and co. thought their "peaceful days would never end." Now, with Sin back, I speculate that Yuna's behavior in a potential FFX-3 will more resemble her personality of FFX rather than FFX-2.


So, I had a thought. What if the Shinra thing is part of X-3 and X-3 is actually the origin story of Jenova and at the end of X-3 we get a teaser for a remake of VII.

I HAD THIS EXACT SAME THOUGHT. :eek:

Ayen
01-01-2014, 12:31 AM
The VII fanboys would whine and complain because that would mean X and all related characters are a part of the VII Compilation and people would argue over the technicality of the numbers claiming XI is actually X, XII is actually XI, XIII is actually XII, XIV is actually XIII and XV is actually XIV and X fanboys would act smug because Final Fantasy X is part of the VII Compilation.

Pumpkin
01-01-2014, 12:42 AM
They're both good games and I think its neat to have them tie in to each other like that.

Ayen
01-01-2014, 12:50 AM
I liked it better when they were all their own games, to be honest. They didn't have to tie into anything. That was the beauty of it. This is worse than when Nintendo gave Zelda an established timeline. People need to learn to leave well enough alone.

Old Manus
01-01-2014, 04:54 PM
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...As people in the valleys often say - oh my wew. This is hilarious. It's brilliant. I love this so much.

Jessweeee♪
01-01-2014, 09:07 PM
49750

Art from the credits that roll during the audio drama. Concept art for Tidus and Yuna in FFX-3 maybe?

The Man
01-01-2014, 09:25 PM
Zelda always actually had an established timeline; it's just that Nintendo didn't release it for most of the series' existence. It doesn't help, either, that a lot of the original games got extremely inaccurate translations and Nintendo of America had a habit of just making shit up for the guidebooks and other supplemental material that wasn't part of the canonical lore.

None of this is remotely comparable to the post-release butchering Square Enix has done of some of its own games.