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Heath
12-27-2013, 11:55 PM
Today whilst playing FFVIII, I blew up a Missile Base. Then I sent Quistis and Zell with Squall to Balamb Garden to warn them about impending missiles. However, before I did that I popped into Balamb to play Triple Triad and chat with Ma Dincht and the Big Bad Rascal's mother whilst missiles flew towards Balamb Garden.

However, in the grand scheme of things, Squall and co had time to get a train all the way to Balamb, fight a bunch of Grats, and find out the Garden could fly before those missiles arrived.

Does anybody else think that Galbadia needs the people running their efficient train service running their missile bases from now on? One seems a lot better run than the other.

Shorty
12-28-2013, 12:01 AM
Galbadia never seemed to have all of their ducks in a row in the first place. Their Garden invasion was poorly executed, their desert prison is poorly manned, and their missile base has no security whatsoever. Tax dollars put to their finest uses!

It's nice that their train service functions well, though. That's what's important to the people.

Heath
12-28-2013, 12:07 AM
I agree that their visible public services are very well run, and do seem to have high levels of customer satisfaction (https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpSRRlz92W1O10-bf3GwnDCPqWBtlTwkCt5V7wijdjC-LiQDYr). Their other justice and defence organisations seem awful though.

I think they spent too much money on those fancy hoverpack things and motorbikes. They're flashy and eye-catching, but as a citizen I'd like to think they could carry off an invasion of a school reasonably effectively.

Ayen
12-28-2013, 12:17 AM
The missiles will come when they come, just be patient.

Shorty
12-28-2013, 12:33 AM
I agree that their visible public services are very well run, and do seem to have high levels of customer satisfaction (https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpSRRlz92W1O10-bf3GwnDCPqWBtlTwkCt5V7wijdjC-LiQDYr). Their other justice and defence organisations seem awful though.

I think they spent too much money on those fancy hoverpack things and motorbikes. They're flashy and eye-catching, but as a citizen I'd like to think they could carry off an invasion of a school reasonably effectively.

Agreed. Money could have gone to weapons and armor instead of silly little crotchrockets.

Jiro
12-28-2013, 12:53 AM
I think there's a general problem with the way the military works in the world of Final Fantasy VIII. The guys from dollet get creamed by Galbadia, and then a bunch of rookie school kids come along with plot armour and weapons and wipe them out. Seifer was right: orders be damned, they could've taken the whole fucking city back.

The actual Garden battle went okay for them. I mean, being able to assault from the most ridiculous of places aided them (though a Garden battle is pretty ridiculous in the first place) but they didn't have the heroes. I mean, it's basically dynasty warriors syndrome -- Seifer on his own can't stand up to that many "generals" and no amount of mooks can keep Squall and co down. They needed to ram the Garden, knock Rinoa off, and then capitalise on the low morale. Fujin and Rajin were sorely missed in that battle.

Rantz
12-28-2013, 01:11 AM
A Galbadian missile is never early. Nor is it on time. It arrives precisely two seconds too late!!

Scotty_ffgamer
12-28-2013, 01:22 AM
This shows how bad trabia garden is too. With how slow those missiles were flying, they should have had plenty of time to see the missiles and evacuate.

Also, I think it important to note that while the galbadia military in the missile base in general can't seem to be arsed to do anything, they do have time to post videos of themselves dancing in their important computers.

Sephiroth
12-28-2013, 02:02 AM
The better question is when they can destroy super bosses why can't they cast a spell or cut through the missiles to just destroy them?

Plot device.

Their battle dimension immunity has nothing to do with not being able to destroy the missiles. The attacks are always what they can do. They are a demonstration of power.

Forsaken Lover
12-28-2013, 02:22 AM
That's simply gameplay and story segregation which is present in all FFs.

It's why you can be shot in battles and it does a few HP damage while it is almost always dangerous or fatal in cutscenes.

Jiro
12-28-2013, 10:42 AM
It's pretty fucking hard to see missiles in the snow though

Heath
01-09-2014, 12:44 AM
Having reflected on this further, I think the Galbadian Events Management Team do an okay job. They put on a decent party for Edea, and didn't let small issues like a presidential assassination or giant rock lizards coming to life get in the way.

Certainly some real lessons that could be learnt by the military. They couldn't even get Laguna the right map for his recon work.

Jiro
01-09-2014, 01:28 AM
Having reflected on this further, I think the Galbadian Events Management Team do an okay job. They put on a decent party for Edea, and didn't let small issues like a presidential assassination or giant rock lizards coming to life get in the way.

Certainly some real lessons that could be learnt by the military. They couldn't even get Laguna the right map for his recon work.

You raise some good points. Also, side track for a moment: are Iguions fought at any other point? Because like, um, why is there a card for them otherwise?

Scotty_ffgamer
01-09-2014, 01:41 AM
Iguions are never fought at any other point in the game. Or in any other Final Fantasy game for that matter as far as I know.

Jiro
01-09-2014, 11:47 AM
SO WHAT ARE THEY STATUES OF. WHY IS THERE A CARD BASED ON STATUES.

Shorty
01-09-2014, 11:57 AM
They're part of a boss battle, silly xD bosses get their own cards!

Scotty_ffgamer
01-09-2014, 03:09 PM
I would say Jiro has a good point about the Iguions, but then again, why is there a card of Squall, Selphie, etc in this game that's famous around the world.

I stand by the thinking that the Iguions don't really exist before they are brought to life by Edea. Maybe they fit into VIII mythology somewhere.

Huckleberry Quin
01-09-2014, 03:52 PM
This thread has me questioning everything I've ever held dear.

Heath
01-10-2014, 12:41 AM
This thread has me questioning everything I've ever held dear.

I'm sorry, Quin :(

I think Jiro raises an excellent point about the Iguion card. Especially as it's probably possible to get an Iguion card before even fighting the Iguions in Deling City. So why are there cards of them? Why can't there be a statue of those weird holograms on the Deling City Presidential Palace?

It's like there's not even a consistent criteria for what becomes a card and what doesn't! :(

Scotty_ffgamer
01-10-2014, 01:01 AM
Speaking of triple triad cards how do Moombas not get a triple triad card? That is a disgrace to the game.

Shorty
01-10-2014, 01:01 AM
Are you sure? D:

Jiro
01-13-2014, 12:40 PM
Yeah that is fucking atrocious. Moombas should get one. Fuck Final Fantasy VIII, worst in the series :colbert: DAT'S RACIST

Karifean
01-13-2014, 04:01 PM
They have the Shumi Tribe card.

Cloudane
01-14-2014, 12:41 PM
Hah. Yes. Now, if they were British trains, they'd have reached Balamb Garden's rubble at some point when the local plantation had started to take over.


I think it's one of those stories where it's best not to think too hard.

Heath
01-16-2014, 09:48 PM
Reflecting back on the Iguion scene, you've also got to question whoever the Galbadians put in charge of security for that event, it was shocking. Not only were landmarks able to be commandeered by the most incompetent assassins in the history of humankind, but apparently anybody can just stroll into the presidential palace whenever they feel like it.

Scotty_ffgamer
01-17-2014, 01:48 AM
Part of that could more be due to Edea taking control of Galbadia at that point. She was cocky and probably didn't think she needed the incompetent Galbadian military (which she didn't.) If it was intentional, she could have been setting things up to be easier for the party just to lure them out and to capture these SeeD that she hates so much.

Then again, it could just go back to Galbadian military simply being incompetent. Selphie in the others got into the missile base no problem, and the only thing that raised suspicion was a salute after they had already done a lot to sabotage the base. Zell and the others easily tricked Galbadian military in the D-District prison to escape.

Jiro
01-17-2014, 05:20 AM
Reflecting back on the Iguion scene, you've also got to question whoever the Galbadians put in charge of security for that event, it was shocking. Not only were landmarks able to be commandeered by the most incompetent assassins in the history of humankind, but apparently anybody can just stroll into the presidential palace whenever they feel like it.

Who would even try, though? They're the most powerful nation in the world, where even people remotely suspected of treasonous activity are jailed in the desert.

Mo-Nercy
01-19-2014, 10:16 PM
Never mind the missiles, Rinoa can hang off a ledge by her fingertips for an eternity.

Ayen
01-20-2014, 01:55 AM
Never mind the missiles, Rinoa can hang off a ledge by her fingertips for an eternity.

CLIFF HANGER! HANGING FROM A CLIFF! AND THAT'S WHY SHE'S CALLED CLIFF HANGER!

Jiro
01-20-2014, 02:15 AM
It was just a test to make Squall love her.

sharkythesharkdogg
01-20-2014, 08:16 PM
Never mind the missiles, Rinoa can hang off a ledge by her fingertips for an eternity.


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edczxcvbnm
01-25-2014, 12:01 AM
They were anything but slow. You must have missed that dialog where they were said that the missiles would fly around the moon first. The arrogance of it all! It could have been game over earlier but no! They just had to send it around the damn moon so the space station could get an awesome fly by of the missile before it hits.