EoFF Clue(do)

[Pumpkin]

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Do you like the board game Clue? Or Cluedo for our not North American friends? Then get excited because we are now beginning a game of Clue right here on the forum!

I am going to need 9 players and the game will begin once we have that amount. There are 9 characters to choose from:

Players:
Endless - Vivi
Jinx - Lulu
noxious.sunshine - Ashe
Lonely Paper Star - Zell
Vivi22 - Cecil
Shauna - Tifa
Mr. Shauna - Terra
Nicolas - Bartz
Agent Proto - Auron

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Once all 9 are signed up, I will do a virtual dice roll for you and you will move around this board:

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And play the game of Clue!

Here are the rules! Even if you are familiar with the game, I still recommend giving them a glance as a few things have been changed to help the game better transition from in person to online. The main changes are probably that I will handle the card showing and communicate with all people involved, and I will also roll the dice, screencap it, and show it to the players. Also, suggesting characters will NOT move them to that location.


STARTING

:save:Each character has a different starting position, shown on the board by a number next to their name. The number represents the tile they start on.

:save:Once all 9 characters are claimed, the game will begin.



CARDS

:save:There are 9 character cards.

:save:There are 12 weapons cards.

:save:There are 9 room cards.

:save:3 cards will be placed in an envelope. These cards will represent the Murderer, Murder Weapon, and Murder Location.

:save:The other cards will be distributed amongst the players.



ROLLING

:save:Since this is an online game, I will roll the dice and give you your number. I will screen cap the roll and post it up for you.

:save:To begin, I will roll for everyone and the turn order will be from the highest rolled number to the lowest. As far as ties, I will roll again for those players and again the highest number will go first between them.



MOVING

:save:Each turn you will get a number rolled and you will move across the board. For example, if Lulu rolls a 6 on her first turn, she can say “I move to square 11” “I move to square 8” “I enter the area of Besaid” or any other move that can be made. I will keep an updated list of who is where.

:save:A player cannot move on an already occupied square. You will have to go around that player.

:save:If a player is blocking an entrance, you won't be able to enter until they move.

:save:The entrances are marked by the thick white lines.



ROOMS

:save:Once in a room, you can move around freely.

:save:There are 2 SECRET PATHS. One linking Linblum and the Iifa Tree and one linking the Forgotten City and Esthar. This means that once in one of those areas, you can move in to the joined area via the secret path.

:save:Once in a room, you can suggest.



SUGGESTING

:save:This is the biggest part of the game. As you know, the 3 cards representing the murderer, murder weapon, and murder location are not in play.

:save:Upon entering a room, you will have the option to “suggest” or “accuse”.

:save:When suggesting, you can only suggest for the area you are in. If Vivi is in Balamb Garden, he can only suggest the murder location as Balamb Garden.

:save:He will then be able to suggest a murderer and a murder weapon. Example: Auron with a Pupu Doll in Balamb Garden.

:save:After Suggesting, the next player in the turn order will check and see if they have the cards “Auron” “Pupu Doll” or “Balamb Garden”.

:save:If they do, they will PM me and I will PM the player with the relevant information.

:save:If the player has more than one of the 3 cards, they will choose which of them to show.

:save:If there was a card shown, I will let the players know, but they won't know which card it was.

:save:If the player in the next turn order DOES NOT have one of the 3 cards, we will proceed down the turn order until someone does.

:save:Make sure to keep track of which cards you are shown. If a player has a card, it obviously isn't part of the winning combination.



ACCUSING

:save:Accusing should ONLY be done when you are sure of who the murderer is, what the murder weapon is, and where the murder took place.

:save:You do NOT have to be in the room you are accusing for an accusation. You can accuse on any turn from any location.

:save:If you accuse and you are WRONG, you will automatically lose and you won't have any future turns.

:save:If you accuse and you are RIGHT, you win the game.



**A special note about the optional rule:
In this game, suggesting a player will NOT move that player to the room you are accusing from.



If you have any questions, feel free to ask. For now, just pick your character to sign up!

**If we don't manage to get 9 players, we can downgrade to 6 if necessary.

[Endless]

Master Vivi in da house.

[Madonna]

I firstly would like to say that you seem to have put a lot of work into this, shion, and your work is amazing. Bravo.

My plate is more full than to which I am used, but if you reach eight, I will be nine.

[Pumpkin]

Thanks Lynx!

Also, you should thank Proto as well. He made the cards 100x better than what I had.

[noxious.sunshine]

I'll play! I want Ashe!

[Lonely Paper Star]

I wanna be Zell!

[Slothy]

I'll take Cecil.

[Shauna]

Sign me up for Tifa. :3

[Dat Matt]

I'll Take Terra.

[Nicolas]

Drats. Terra was taken. I'll play as Bartz then.

[Pumpkin]

Great, only need an Auron now!

[Agent Proto]

Eh, I'll play so we can complete the roster.

[Pumpkin]

Alrighty we have all 9 players! I will roll the dice based on order of sign up. The highest roll will go first, followed by the second highest, etc.

I will give each player 36 hours to complete their turn. If you will be busy and unable to post within that 36 hours, please let me know and we can make arrangements. Obviously the sooner everyone acts, the quicker the game will go. If you miss too many turns and haven't contacted me I will assume it means you are no longer interested in playing.

Once it's your turn, make sure you tell me which square number you move to and your action, if any. The starting positions are marked on the board. I will also keep track of everyone's locations.

Dice roll!

Vivi rolls a 52909 3

Lulu rolls a 52910 6

Ashe rolls a 52911 4

Zell rolls a 52912 10

Cecil rolls a 52913 2

Tifa rolls a 52914 8

Terra rolls a 52915 8

Bartz rolls a 52916 6

Auron rolls a 52917 6


Tie breaking rolls for 8

Tifa rolls a 52918 11

Terra rolls a 52919 4

Tie breaking rolls for 6

Lulu rolls a 52920 4

Bartz rolls a 52921 5

Auron rolls a 52922 10


The playing order is:

Zell - 10
Tifa - 8 (11)
Terra - 8(4)
Auron - 6(10)
Bartz - 6(5)
Lulu - 6(4)
Ashe - 4
Vivi - 3
Cecil - 2

[Pumpkin]

I will now distribute the cards, and Zell (Lonely Paper Star) will have her turn once all of the cards are distributed

[Pumpkin]

Now that the cards have been distributed, the players can now investigate the murder of Tidus :gasp!!!!!!!!!!:

The motives are... well everyone just kinda dislikes Tidus, really. The fact that it is even being investigated is the bigger mystery. Besides, how do you murder someone who... you know what, it doesn't matter.

You already know the suspects. The location of the murder was one of the locations on the Clue Board. So what was the weapon?

Here are the options:

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Zell (Lonely Paper Star) is first to investigate.

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You start at square 20 and you roll a 52936 4.

What action do you take?

You have 36 hours

[Lonely Paper Star]

Move to 24

[Pumpkin]

Tifa (Shauna) is next.

Tifa starts at square 167 and rolls a 52937 7

What do you do?

[Shauna]

Move to 124.

[Pumpkin]

Terra (Mr. Shauna) you begin at 97 and roll a 52939 6

[Dat Matt]

I have lots of choices here, so let me establish rules on moving.

1. Does moving into an area count as a move. Aka I am on square 97 and there is a door to my right. Does it take a move to go in there
2. Can we only move horizontally and vertically, or can we move diagonally?
3. Do you have to perfectly land on an area to suggest someone. Would passing through Midgar, making a suggestion and walking out of Midgar count as my turn, or if I walked into Midgar and suggested someone would my turn be over.

[Pumpkin]

Oky to answer the questions,

1. If you are on square 97 and there is a door to your right, it counts as a square. So if you are 8 squares away from it and you roll a 9, you can enter the room as it counts as a square. If you rolled a 7, you would need to roll a 1 on the next turn to enter. If you rolled a 6, you would need to roll a 2 on the next turn, etc. Basically the room counts as 1 square.

2. Only horizontally or vertically.

3. A suggestion can only be made upon entering a room, not before leaving. So in your example, you would walk in to Midgar, make a suggestion, and your turn would end. During your next turn, you would have to leave the room, you cannot remain in it. You can use your next turn to exit the room and the turn after to re-enter it and suggest again. Once a suggestion is made, your turn ends and the next turn requires you to leave the room.

Hope this helps!

[Slothy]

I rolled a two to start the game? Christ, I thought I burned those dice.

[Endless]

I rolled a two to start the game? Christ, I thought I burned those dice.

That would explain my roll. *burns Vivi's stolen dice*

[Dat Matt]

That's fine.

Move - Enter Midgar

Suggest - Tifa, Midgar, Buster Sword

[Pumpkin]

Terra suggests

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Does Auron have any of the cards? No.

Does Bartz have any of the cards? Yes. A card was shown to Terra.

Now it is Auron's turn.

Auron starts at 117 and rolls a 52959 12. How do you proceed?

[Pumpkin]

http://home.eyesonff.com/wonder-square/155639-eyes-final-fantasy-clue-do-2.html#post3395030

They are right up there with the board :D

If you want a written list, we have
Racket
Umbrella
Pupu Doll
Pinwheel
Nailbat
Machine Gun
Buster Sword
Gunblade
Megaphone
Fork
Dagger
Blitzball

[Agent Proto]

Now it is Auron's turn.

Auron starts at 117 and rolls a 52959 12. How do you proceed?

12, eh? Well, I believe I can enter Balamb Garden. Also suggest Bartz with Gunblade in Balamb Garden

[Pumpkin]

Auron sugests

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Does Bartz have any of those cards? No.

Does Lulu have any of those cards? No.

Does Ashe have any of those cards? No.

Does Vivi have any of those cards? No.

Does Cecil have any of those cards? Yes. Cecil shows a card to Auron.

It is now Bartz (Nico's) turn.

Bartz is at square 12 and rolls a 52963 6

[Nicolas]

Based on where I start, it looks like I can go into the Forgotten City. So, I go there. That's how this works right?

I'll go with Zell in Forgotten City with the Megaphone.

[Pumpkin]

Yep. Do you want to suggest?

[Nicolas]

Oh, yeah. I made an edit.

Suggest: Zell, Forgotten City, Megaphone.

[Pumpkin]

Bartz suggests

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Does Lulu have any of these cards? Yes. A card was shown to Bartz.

It is now Lulu's turn.

Lulu starts at square 2 and rolls a 52982 8

[Pumpkin]

If you are in Besaid, you need to suggest Besaid for your location. Do you want to stick with your other two suggestions?

[Pumpkin]

Lulu suggests

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Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Lulu.

It is now Ashe (noxious.sunshine's) turn.

Ashe is at square 35 and rolls a 52989 7. How do you proceed?

[noxious.sunshine]

I'm moving into Lindblum.

I suggest Terra, Lindblum, Dagger

[Pumpkin]

Ashe suggests:

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Does Vivi have any of these cards? Yes. A card was shown to Ashe.

It is now Vivi's turn.

Vivi is at square 152 and rolls a 52993 10. How do you proceed?

[Endless]

I walk to Esthar and teleport to Forgotten City.

I suggest, nay, I suspect that Zell isn't all that sane, and most likely snuck up in Forgotten City and stole a Buster Sword to do some not-so-innocent deeds.

[Pumpkin]

Vivi suggests

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Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Tifa have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Terra have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Auron have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Lulu have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Vivi.

It is now Cecil's turn.

Cecil starts at square 175 and rolls a 52997 8.

[Slothy]

I will move to Esthar and guess Cecil with the Gunblade.

[Pumpkin]

Cecil suggests

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Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Tifa have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Terra have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Auron have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Cecil.

[Pumpkin]

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Current positions:

Zell: 24

Tifa: 124

Terra: Midgar

Auron: Balamb Garden

Bartz: Forgotten City

Lulu: Besaid Island

Ashe: Lindblum

Vivi: Forgotten City

Cecil: Esthar

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It is now Zell's turn.

Zell rolls a 53001 8.

How do you proceed?

[Lonely Paper Star]

Enter Lindblum.

Suggest: Cecil with the Gunblade

[Pumpkin]

Zell suggests:

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Does Tifa have one of the suggested cards? No.

Does Terra have one of the suggested cards? No.

Does Auron have one of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Zell.

It is now Tifa's turn.

Tifa rolls a 53007 6.

[Shauna]

Enter: Gold Saucer

Suggest: Auron with Blitzball

[Pumpkin]

Tifa suggests:

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Does Terra have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Auron have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Tifa.

Terra is next!

Terra rolls a 53011 7.

[Dat Matt]

Move to lindblum.

Suggest Vivi, Fork and Lindblum

[Endless]

I didn't do nothing !

[Pumpkin]

Terra suggests:

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Does Auron have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Lulu have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Vivi have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Terra.

It is now Auron's turn. Auron rolls a 53015 2.

[Agent Proto]

I assume that we can exit from any door any areas. I noticed that Terra entered Midgar from 97, and left from 72 to enter Lindblum from 31. If that is the case, then I'll be moving to 156.

[Pumpkin]

That's fine. Auron moves to 156.

Bartz rolls a 53016 5.

[Nicolas]

It looks like I can enter Esthar from where I'm at. That is, *B signifies that... I suppose. So that'll be my move.

Suggestion: Vivi. Pupu Doll. Esthar.

[Pumpkin]

Bartz suggests

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Does Lulu have one of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Bartz.

Lulu is up next. Lulu rolls a 53023 7.

[Pumpkin]

Lulu suggests

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Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Vivi have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Lulu.

Ashe's turn is next. Ashe rolls a 53027 9.

[noxious.sunshine]

Move to Besaid

Suggest Nail Bat, Bartz, Besaid Island

[Pumpkin]

Ashe suggests

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Does Vivi have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Ashe.

It is Vivi's turn. Vivi rolls a 53050 8.

[Endless]

I move to Nautilus, and I suggest Lulu with the Buster Sword.

[Pumpkin]

Vivi suggests

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Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Tifa have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Terra have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Vivi.

It is now Cecil's turn.

Cecil rolls a 53054 6.

[Slothy]

Move to Balamb Garden. Guess Auron with the Pinwheel.

[Pumpkin]

Cecil suggests

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Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Tifa have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Terra have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Auron have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Lulu have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Cecil.

[Pumpkin]

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Current positions:

Zell: Lindblum

Tifa: Gold Saucer

Terra: Lindblum

Auron: 156

Bartz: Esthar City

Lulu: Lindblum

Ashe: Besaid Island

Vivi: Nautilus

Cecil: Balamb

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It is now Zell's turn. Zell rolls a 53059 8.

[Lonely Paper Star]

Gonna take the secret passage to the Iifa Tree.

Suggest: Bartz with the Machine Gun

[Pumpkin]

Zell suggests

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Does Tifa have one of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Zell.

Tifa is next. Tifa rolls a 53063 6.

[Shauna]

Move: Iifa Tree

Suggest: Lulu with the Umbrella

[Pumpkin]

Tifa suggests

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Does Terra have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Tifa.

Terra is next. Terra rolls a 53076 8.

[Dat Matt]

I'm Going to Stay in Lindblum.

Suggest - Lindblum, Auron, Blitzball.

If I can move after suggesting, I would move to Besaid Island. If that's not allowed, that's cool.

[Pumpkin]

Unfortunately you can't stay in the same room or re-enter the same room on the same turn. You could move to Besaid and return to Lindblum on your next turn, or use the secret passage to the Iifa Tree and return to Lindblum on the next turn as well.

[Dat Matt]

Lets move to Besaid then.

Suggest Besaid Island, Auron, Blitzball.

[Pumpkin]

Terra suggests

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Does Auron have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Terra.

Auron is next. Auron rolls a 53080 9.

[Agent Proto]

Move to Nautilus.

Suggest: Tifa, Nautilus, Nail Bat

[Pumpkin]

Auron suggests

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Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Lulu have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Vivi have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Auron.

Bartz is next. Bartz rolls a 53084 4.

[Nicolas]

looks like that's just enough to move to Balamb Garden.

Move to Balamb.

Suggest Ashe, Fork, Balamb Garden.

[Pumpkin]

Bartz suggests

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(I'll be honest, I would watch that movie)

Does Lulu have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Vivi have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Bartz.

It is now Lulu's turn. Lulu rolls a 53088 9.

[Pumpkin]

Lulu suggests

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Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Vivi have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Lulu.

Ashe is next. Ashe rolls a 53098 5.

[noxious.sunshine]

Leave Besaid Island, move to spot 17

[Pumpkin]

It is Vivi's turn. Vivi rolls a 53110 7.

[Endless]

Move to Esthar, suggest Ashe with the Pupu Doll.

[Pumpkin]

Vivi suggests

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Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Vivi.

It is Cecil's turn. Cecil rolls a 53121 6.

[Slothy]

Move to Esthar. Megaphone and Bartz.

[Pumpkin]

Cceil suggests:

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Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Tifa have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Cecil.

[Pumpkin]

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Current positions:

Zell - Iifa Tree

Tifa - Iifa Tree

Terra - Besaid island

Auron - Nautilus

Bartz - Balamb Garden

Lulu - Iifa Tree

Ashe - Square 17

Vivi - Esthar

Cecil - Esthar

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Zell is up next. Zell rolls a 53141 6.

[Lonely Paper Star]

You say 4 but the dice show 6! :redface: If you meant to put 4 and attached the wrong image, I move to square 124. If you really did mean 6, then square 126.

[Pumpkin]

I did mean 6 sorry. I'm just stupid.

Tifa rolls a 53142 8. I counted a few times. Pretty sure that's an 8.

[noxious.sunshine]

I thought only 1 person could be in a room at a time?

[Endless]

I thought only 1 person could be in a room at a time?

In traditional Cluedo, suggesting someone moves his marker to the room, meaning you often have 2+ characters in the same room. The only room-related movement rules are:
1. you can't re-enter a room you left the same turn (and you can't enter the same square either)
2. you can't pass someone blocking an entrance (and that's because you can't enter someone's square in the first place)
3. You stop moving when you enter a room.

[Shauna]

Move to Balamb Garden.

Suggest Auron with Buster Sword.

[Pumpkin]

Tifa suggests

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Does Terra have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Auron have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Lulu have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Tifa.

It is Terra's turn. Terra rolls a 53177 11.

[Dat Matt]

Move to Gold Saucer.

Suggest - Gold saucer, Tifa, Buster Sword.

[Pumpkin]

Terra suggests

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Does Auron have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? No.


Does Lulu have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Terra.

Auron is next. Auron rolls a 53181 4.

[Endless]

Does Auron have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Lulu have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Terra.



You got duplicate lines in there.

[Pumpkin]

Oops, fixed. Thank you :D

[Dat Matt]

Clearly wanted to emphasise that bartz didn't have the cards.

[Pumpkin]

Yes, exactly. I was very disappointed.

Bartz :argh:

[Agent Proto]

I'm moving to 91.

I'm ACCUSING Lulu with Nail Bat at Gold Saucer

[Pumpkin]

Auron is ACCUSING

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Is he right? Did he just win the game?



I'm sorry Jeff, but that accusation is incorrect :(. This disqualifies you from playing further.

[Pumpkin]

Bartz is next. Bartz rolls a 53192 5.

[Nicolas]

I move to 113. That's about all I can do.

[Pumpkin]

Lulu is next. Lulu rolls a 53193 7.

[Dat Matt]

If one player has accused another, would this mean his cards are now shown to the remaining players? Can't really expect a disqualified player to hold onto cards.

[Dat Matt]

Looked up the rules and apparently that isn't one. Suppose that when I played the game we did it to increase the speed of the game. What are your thoughts game master. Is the pace of the game going according to your expectations, or should we all see the cards to up the pace a bit?

[Endless]

False accusation means you just lose your turns, you can still refute suggestions ;)
I suggest we do not reveal Protauron's cards, the fact he was wrong is still information about where the cards are not.

[Dat Matt]

What do you mean by refute suggestions? If a card that auron had is suggested Shion will PM a player that card. Alternitively if know those cards then we are closer to the culprit. I'm just considering that we are on turn 4 and its been 10 days.

Who's to say that his suggestion was all wrong, perhaps he geussed the location and weapon correct, but got the player wrong. A false accusation means nothing.

I think posting the cards from those who made false suggestions will speed up the game which will probably take several more weeks to complete at the pace we are going at.

[Endless]

What do you mean by refute suggestions? If a card that auron had is suggested Shion will PM a player that card.

That's what refuting means.


Alternitively if know those cards then we are closer to the culprit. I'm just considering that we are on turn 4 and its been 10 days.

Turn 4 is not much, the game normally plays with 6 players max and 21 cards, it's normal it takes longer.


Who's to say that his suggestion was all wrong, perhaps he geussed the location and weapon correct, but got the player wrong. A false accusation means nothing.

Yes, it does. It gives you one completely valid clause you can add to your deductions. Since it may not be obvious for everyone, the clause you can add is:
"At least one of the three cards suggested is not in the secret file."

Negative information IS information.

If I didn't think Proto lost on purpose (you can suggest and immediately follow up with an accusation if no one contested, there's no reason not to do it), I'd even work with the assumption he has neither of the three cards.


I think posting the cards from those who made false suggestions will speed up the game which will probably take several more weeks to complete at the pace we are going at.

Oh it will, any information given -- positive or negative -- will speed up the game. I'd say we are about halfway done now, the past weekend was particularly slow because of Easter, hopefully it'll speed up now.

[Pumpkin]

For now I won't show the cards. Everyone else can chime in and if a majority want the cards shown, I will show them.

[Shauna]

I am fine not seeing them. :3

[Dat Matt]

I feel like endless and I will continue to nip at eachothers heel on the issue, so I'll recap my main argument for showing the cards:

I feel the game is running slowly as we are on day 10 and only at turn 4. Showing the cards for players that suggest incorrectly can speed up this process. Despite seeing one card on every turn so far, I still feel like I am several turns away from making an accusation. At our current pace I feel that the game could run well into May. We still have the information that at least one of the cards he accused is incorrect.

Endless, Would you mind summing up your argument for not showing the cards of the disqualified players? We'll let the other players decide what their thoughts are.

[Pumpkin]

Something I could do to help the time go by faster, whether we end up showing the cards or not, is to make it an 18 hour turn. If someone doesn't respond within 18 hours, we move on. It seems like some are just less enthused to play. If that's the case, they can always say they want to stop or even accuse like proto did and hope they win or something.

[Agent Proto]

I am fine showing the cards if needed. At the rate this game is going, I do think it's probably best to show the cards I had. However, shion is in control of how things go and she opted that they stay hidden. I made my accusation early for a couple reasons, and one is that I wanted to stop playing (and hopefully win) but I made an incorrect accusation and lost my turns. Second, this game will pick up a little bit with one less player out of the game.

Good luck to the rest of you.

[Dat Matt]

That would work. While I agree on the 36 hours period for turns in theory, it is slowing down the progress for the game. I'm still interested what other people have to say about the card reveal for disqualified players, but its currently 2-1 in favour of not showing the card.

[Pumpkin]

I've nothing against showing the cards except for the fact I'm supposed to follow the rules. That's why I would like input from other players, because if that's what you guys want, that is what we will do! Nothing against your idea.

[Endless]

I feel the game is running slowly as we are on day 10 and only at turn 4. Showing the cards for players that suggest accuse incorrectly can speed up this process.

Fixed ;)


Despite seeing one card on every turn so far, I still feel like I am several turns away from making an accusation. At our current pace I feel that the game could run well into May. We still have the information that at least one of the cards he accused is incorrect.

As I said, I estimate (1) we're halfway through, so another 4 turns seems normal to me. Considering it took 10 days and there's only a week left until may, then the game reaching may is not a stretch.


Endless, Would you mind summing up your argument for not showing the cards of the disqualified players? We'll let the other players decide what their thoughts are.

Mostly I feel it strays from the original game and benefits more players who are behind in the deductions, whereas well-equipped (or hardcore (1)) players already have a good grasp on Proto's cards and gain little. And even then, the amount of info you'd gain is at best <10% of the total information if it were the first turn with no suggestion made ever. Here, you shouldn't be getting much more than 5% info. All in all, it removes a bit of the "fun" of the game, which is to combine accumulated information others may not have. But if people want them to be seen, so be it, it'll be that much more info added to my knowledge ;)


(1) Cluedo at first glance is a pure deduction game; in our configuration, there are exactly 300 trits of information : for each pair (player (including secret file), card) you can have the card here (Y) or not_here (N) or maybe_here (-). At this point of the game, regardless of your hand, you should have at least 154 "N", 4 "Y" and the rest as "-" plus your own cards, which means a little over half of the information is known already (hence my "halfway done"). If you don't, read below.

For the sake of education (hey, it's my job), here are the initial logic rules of Cluedo in our configuration:
1) Each player has exactly three cards
2) Each card is in exactly one place
3) The secret file has exactly one card of each category

And now deductions:
- You know where your own cards are. (duh)
- When a suggestion is made, knowing who refutes gives you information both about who may have the cards, but possibly more importantly, who doesn't.
- When a player shows you a card to refute, you know where it is (and because of 2), you know where it isn't).
- When no one refutes, it tells you where the cards may be: each card is in the secret file or the suggester's hand, and nowhere else.
- When someone accuses and is wrong, you know at least one of the cards is not on the secret file.

Cluedo has more depth if you play it expecting people to deduce well, that way it's not just about getting info, it's also about revealing as little as possible by knowing what cards to call so that it doesn't go farther than you want, and knowing when you should call your own card or not.

And when the game is over, I'll show you a turn by turn evolution of the knowledge I had. :)

[Pumpkin]

So far it's looking like I'll be showing the cards. I'll leave another 8 hours for anyone else to chime in.

As far as Lulu's turn.

Lulu suggests:

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Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Lulu.

Ashe is next. Ashe rolls a 53231 4.

[Dat Matt]

I am for showing the cards just because of the pace of the game, and that it doesn't work 100% like a regular game of Clue.

My standard game of cluedo was that when a player accused incorrectly, their cards were distributed to the remaining players. This was mostly to prevent the players whom had been disqualified from having to hang around when the game is over, cause that's no fun.

Based on my current information, I know minimum 14/30 cards, maximum 21/30 that Auron does not have. Endless must be some sort of Cluedo God if he has an idea of his cards at this point. Either that or he knows information on cards related to suggestions 7 and 8 which are the only 2 Auron revealed.

[Endless]

Based on my current information, I know minimum 14/30 cards, maximum 21/30 that Auron does not have. Endless must be some sort of Cluedo God if he has an idea of his cards at this point. Either that or he knows information on cards related to suggestions 7 and 8 which are the only 2 Auron revealed.

Using pure logic, I know 18/30 he does not have. Using other methods however, I know the three most likely to be his with enough confidence that I'm willing to suggest around them to not waste my guesses on them.

[noxious.sunshine]

wtf spot am I in? 17?

Move to Forgotten City-

Suggest Forgotten City, Ashe, Nail Bat

[Pumpkin]

Ashe suggests

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Does Vivi have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Ashe.

Vivi is next. Vivi rolls a 53235 8.

[Endless]

Move to Besaid (through the secret way to forgotten City), suggest Zell with the Pupu Doll.

[Pumpkin]

Vivi suggests

532365323753238

Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Vivi.

Cecil is next. Cecil rolls a 53239 11.

Also, hour and a halfish left if anyone wants to chime in about Agent Proto's cards being shown. So far it is in favor of them being shown.

[Pumpkin]

Well I let it go for even a while longer and it seems in favor of showing the cards.


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[Dat Matt]

Are we moving to an 18 hour format? By my count Cecil would forfeit his turn at this point.

[Pumpkin]

You are correct! Sorry, I was miscounting the time.

http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/ashton_bourbon/Clue/Board_zps1dab0b39.png

Current positions:

Zell - 126

Tifa - Balamb Garden

Terra - Gold Saucer

Bartz - 113

Lulu - Gold Saucer

Ashe - Forgotten City

Vivi - Besaid

Cecil - Esthar

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Zell is next. Zell rolls a 53259 5.

[Slothy]

Wait, did I just forfeit my turn? If not, I take the old secret passage to Forgotten City and guess Pinwheel and Vivi.

[Pumpkin]

Bah, I hate when this stuff happens. Considering we JUST switched to the 18 hour time and you're only a bit over an hour past, plus Zell has yet to take her turn, I will make an exception. I'll send a message to everyone at their turns that we have switched to 18 hours so there won't be any more confusion.

Cecil suggests:

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Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Tifa have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Terra have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Cecil.

Zell has rolled a 5.

[Slothy]

Ah, my bad. I saw it was my turn and didn't take the time to catch up on the thread first.

[Lonely Paper Star]

Yeah, sorry. Didn't realize that we switched, either. XD


Move to 131

[Pumpkin]

It is now Tifa's turn! Tifa rolls a 53264 9.

[Shauna]

Move to Esthar.

Suggest Tifa with Megaphone.

[Pumpkin]

Tifa suggests:

532775327853279

Does Terra have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Lulu have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Tifa.

Terra is next. Terra rolls a 53280 11.

[Dat Matt]

I will head to the Forgotten City. By my count it takes 11 steps to get there from the gold Saucer. If moving from Forgotten City to Esthar does not take a step, I'll move there. If it does I will stay in the forgotten city.

Suggestions:

If Moving via secret tunnel does not take a move:
Esthar, Zell, Buster Sword

If it does:
Forgotten City, Zell, Buster Sword.

[Pumpkin]

Alrighty, Terra suggests (it does not take a step to move via secret paths)

532915329253293

Does Bartz have any of the cards suggested? No.

Does Lulu have any of the cards suggested? No.

Does Ashe have any of the cards suggested? Yes. A card was shown to Terra.

Bartz is next. Bartz rolls a 53295 6.

[Nicolas]

Guess I move into Gold Saucer.

Suggest Tifa, Megaphone, wherever it is that I is.

[Pumpkin]

Bartz suggests

533125331353314

Does Lulu have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Bartz.

Lulu is up next. Lulu rolls a 53315 7.

[Pumpkin]

Lulu is accusing

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Is that accusation correct?


No, I'm sorry, it is not :(

In keeping with the new rules, here are Jinx's cards:

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Ashe is up next. Ashe rolls a 53322 10.

[Pumpkin]

Due to scheduling issues, I'll post up Vivi's turn now. If Ashe responds within the next 20 minutes, I will count it when I return. If not, she passes her turn.

Vivi rolls a 5334311.

[Endless]

I'm gonna PM you my move since it depends on where I'm allowed to move and what rules allow.

Edit: Noxy says she'll post it in 20 mins, so get her turn first.

[Pumpkin]

Endless sent me his move, he moves to Nautilus and suggests

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Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Tifa have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Terra have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Vivi.

Cecil is next. Cecil rolls a 53347 9.

[Slothy]

Move to Besaid Island. Bartz with the Pinwheel.

[Pumpkin]

Cecil suggests

533495335053351

Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Tifa have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Terra have any of the suggested cards? No.

Dos Auron have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Cecil.

[Pumpkin]

http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/ashton_bourbon/Clue/Board_zps1dab0b39.png

Current positions:

Zell - 131

Tifa - Esthar

Terra - Esthar

Bartz - Gold Saucer

Ashe - Forgotten City

Vivi - Nautilus

Cecil - Besaid

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Zell's turn. Zell rolls a 53352 7.

[Lonely Paper Star]

Move into Nautilus.

Suggest Zell with the Pinwheel.

[Pumpkin]

Zell suggests

533575335853359

Does Tifa have any of the cards suggested? No.

Does Terra have any of the cards suggested? No.

Does Bartz have any of the cards suggested? No.

Does Ashe have any of the cards suggested? Yes. A card was shown to Zell.

Tifa is next. Tifa rolls a 53360 12.

[Shauna]

Move to Nautilus.

Suggest Ashe with Nailbat.

[Shaibana]

why do i always miss all the games? :l
everytime i discover a game its already being played or even done :'(

[Formalhaut]

why do i always miss all the games? :l
everytime i discover a game its already being played or even done :'(

Yeah, I missed this as well. Next time, I will definitely be jumping on this immediately.

[Pumpkin]

Shauna suggests

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Does Terra have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Vivi have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Tifa.

Terra is next. Terra rolls a 53372 7.

[Dat Matt]

Move to Nautilis

Suggest - Nautilis, Terra, Dagger.

[Endless]

Move to Nautilis

Suggest - Nautilis, Terra, Dagger.

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[Pumpkin]

Terra suggests

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Does Bartz have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? No.

Does Vivi have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Terra.

Bartz is next. Bartz rolls a 53376 9.

[Dat Matt]

Move to Nautilis

Suggest - Nautilis, Terra, Dagger.

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I figured you were happy because you were going to reveal a card for the 2nd time in the game. Turns out I was right.

[Nicolas]

move to tile 68 'cause why the hell not.

[Pumpkin]

Ashe is next. Ashe rolls a 53384 9.

[noxious.sunshine]

I'ma move to uh.Move to space 78

[Pumpkin]

Vivi is next. Vivi rolls a 53385 8.

[Endless]

Move to Nautilis

Suggest - Nautilis, Terra, Dagger.

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I figured you were happy because you were going to reveal a card for the 2nd time in the game. Turns out I was right.

Nah, it's not so much that I showed a card, it's the fact you had a card shown to you and you gave me the last bit of info to have full knowledge.

I move to 128 and accuse Terra "the Terrarist", with the Machine Gun, in Nautilus.

[Pumpkin]

Endless accuses

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Is he correct?


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HE IS CORRECT!! Congrats Endless on your winning the game :plumcheer::plumcheer::plumcheer::plumcheer::plumcheer::plumcheer:

[Pumpkin]

Thanks everyone for playing :jess:!!! I had a lot of fun! I'm excited for their to be another game in the future so I can play as well!

[Lonely Paper Star]

Dang, that's the end. Well played, everyone.

[Endless]

:D

I'll have a turn-by-turn recap of all the info from an outsider point of view and from my point of view tonight. What amazes me though is that the umbrella was suggested only once, daggers only twice (and shown both times) and buster sword asked several times (twice by me, too) but never shown, which means most of you couldn't narrow it down to one weapon.

[Shauna]

I called that you'd win this one. xD

[Dat Matt]

I'll show what my thought process was and how I reached the conclusions I did when I get back from work. I managed to deduct all the players cards with the exception of

* All of Tifa's Cards
* 1 of Bartz's Cards
* 2 of Vivi's Cards.

What were your cards in the end Endless. Only time you revealed was the daggers which made it super hard to pin down what you had.

[Shauna]

~the elusive Tifa~

Congrats to you, Endless! :3 Also thank you to shion for running this!

[Endless]

What were your cards in the end Endless. Only time you revealed was the daggers which made it super hard to pin down what you had.

They're all in my previous post : Dagger, Buster Sword and Umbrella.

[Dat Matt]

What were your cards in the end Endless. Only time you revealed was the daggers which made it super hard to pin down what you had.

They're all in my previous post : Dagger, Buster Sword and Umbrella.

http://i.imgur.com/5KrDxYH.png

I kept a tally of all the suggestions, and the players that responded to it. Any items that were green were my confirmed items. Any items that were orange were my "assumed" items based on voting patterns.

Narrowing down the weapons was the most difficult part. Whenever I Suggested, for 4/6 turns I received location cards. This made narrowing down weapons and characters difficult. Items such as the Machine Gun and Umbrella that were only suggested 1 time each were associated to players that I knew the cards of. This made narrowing down these items difficult. Characters too were difficult as a side effect of having mostly location cards.

The real issues I had were narrowing down both, Vivi and Tifa's Cards. Tifa had only 1 reveal in the game which was of the megaphone. I could deduce her one card based on other player cards, but could not confirm the remaining 2 cards she had (Shauna tells me her cards were Megaphone, Nailbat and Iifa Tree). Similar story with Vivi, as you only had 1 reveal throughout the game besides my own guess. Both of which you revealed the dagger.

I suppose your method was similar to mine. I assume that was the main reason you reached the correct conclusions first are based on 2 main reasons. Firstly, having 3 weapon cards allowed you to narrow the largest field first, and secondly and having the buster sword suggested in 19% of all guesses would have helped narrow down some player cards.

The only thing I didn't really keep track of is "What characters do not have each card." I would look through the list of suggested players and say what characters revealed that they didn't have a card when making my assumptions, but I never compiled a list such as "Buster sword is not owned by Cecil, Zell, Tifa, Terra, Auron, Bartz, Lulu, so it must be owned by Vivi or is the murder weapon" for example.

[Formalhaut]

Whoa, you kept a spreadsheet​?! Dedication.

[Endless]

Whoa, you kept a spreadsheet​?! Dedication.

Just wait until I'm done generating my game report. xD

[Endless]

Here's a turn by turn description of the knowledge (http://www.airelle.info/a/Cluedo_Apr2014.pdf) anyone could have followed by a turn by turn description of the knowledge I had.

It's best seen in a proper PDF reader and having it set to display one page at a time without continuous scrolling, or by starting presentation/fullscreen mode.

You'll notice some turns seemingly bring nothing, but it is a mistake to think so since it may well add a little bit of information that will couple with some other information later on to allow a deduction. Notable exceptions are near the end when some people suggested things I already knew, or Jinx' hand reveal since I already knew it by then.

[Dat Matt]

This is pretty much what I was trying to compile at least in less detail. Suppose that makes more sense than my way.

[Formalhaut]

I wouldn't have stood a chance. :shobon: