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Jinx
05-16-2014, 11:30 PM
Can someone explain this scene to me? How are they having the same flashback? Shared delusion? Why are they seeing this? How am I?

This scene still confuses the shit out of me.

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Sephiroth
05-16-2014, 11:32 PM
There is nothing to explain per sé. Much of what Cloud remembers actually did happen the way he remembers. It is not like they really are looking into the past also, they just remember and the story expresses it that way, they don't have "the same dream as in one dream shared (memory in that case)" or anything like this but both remember the same thing at the same time.

Jinx
05-16-2014, 11:33 PM
No, you're not really getting what I'm asking.

How are they having the same flashback? How have they disappeared and now there's a new backscreen, etc etc. It's trippy as fuck.

Sephiroth
05-16-2014, 11:39 PM
No, you're not really getting what I'm asking.

How are they having the same flashback? How have they disappeared and now there's a new backscreen, etc etc. It's trippy as smurf.

Yes, I did get that. Its just that they didn't actually disappear or anything. They are not having the same flashback. The game shows you one moment they have experienced together in the past but in your view and not one of their own views.

Ayen
05-16-2014, 11:41 PM
Whatever she puts in her drinks, I imagine. YOU WERE DRUGGED!

I was going to say what Sephiroth said, but then I remembered that Tifa actually points out the well after it appears on screen so I dunno. It's Japan. They don't respect the fourth wall.

Mercen-X
05-16-2014, 11:53 PM
Artistic expression..?

Sephiroth
05-17-2014, 12:01 AM
I was going to say what Sephiroth said, but then I remembered that Tifa actually points out the well after it appears on screen so I dunno. It's Japan. They don't respect the fourth wall.

Of course she said that, you can even see them and all. That is exactly what Mercen said, artistic expression. They didn't actually see it physically.

Ayen
05-17-2014, 12:02 AM
I knew there was a term for it, I just couldn't remember.

Jinx
05-17-2014, 12:04 AM
"fucked up" is the actual term you're looking for, torij

Ayen
05-17-2014, 12:07 AM
I've seen worse.

Jiro
05-17-2014, 03:30 AM
We're seeing an amalgam of their memories (or the objective truth, either or) but neither of them are inside each other's memories. It just makes for a far better scene than watching the two of them staring at the ceiling of 7th Heaven. The direct references like the quoted text are really fucking weird though.

Psychotic
05-17-2014, 10:32 AM
Show, don't tell. "Hey Cloud remember that well it was starry and we were kids and you were wearing..." isn't the best way to tell a story.

Bubba
05-17-2014, 12:57 PM
This scene actually never takes place and is all merely a concoction of Sephiroth.

Jinx
05-17-2014, 02:24 PM
Show, don't tell. "Hey Cloud remember that well it was starry and we were kids and you were wearing..." isn't the best way to tell a story.

Fair enough. But instead of saying "Look, the well" it would've made much more sense to say "Remember the well?" and then roll into the scene from there. That would've made plenty of sense.

Psychotic
05-17-2014, 02:39 PM
Well yeah, but then Off Course!! a lot of FFVII's phrasing is in No, Way!! well written.

Jiro
05-17-2014, 02:40 PM
That slight shift in dialogue would've made it make a whole lot more sense. Silly translators.

Sephiroth
05-17-2014, 07:43 PM
This scene actually never takes place and is all merely a concoction of Sephiroth.

I didn't do anything.

Mercen-X
05-18-2014, 09:33 AM
Provocateur!


Yeah, the whole "Look, the well" thing does kind of make the scene weird. I have seen it in cartoons before, but those were meant to be silly.

Newmani
05-19-2014, 04:23 AM
Maybe it's Tifa and Cloud calling the player's attention to the well? At least that's how I interpret it.

Alive-Cat
05-21-2014, 05:51 PM
Yeah, I've never understood this and think it's really unnecessary. They could of said anything instead of getting all artistic and weird.