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Pike
06-30-2014, 08:57 PM
Do you think he was a good one compared to other FF villains?

Pumpkin
06-30-2014, 09:06 PM
Average

The Man
06-30-2014, 09:11 PM
Possibly the second best main villain in the series after Kefka.

magemasher
06-30-2014, 10:14 PM
The best.... I liked his theatrics as if he was in a Shakespeare play. Only true bad guys surf dragons.

Rez09
07-01-2014, 02:55 AM
I think poorly of Kuja. And his outfit. And his schemes. And his plot twist. And his flare wave -- sorry, flare STAR -- spam that The Cloud of Darkness somehow did more competently.

Shiva95
07-01-2014, 02:16 PM
For me, he's one of the best vilain in the serie.

Sephex
07-03-2014, 06:21 AM
I feel he is unappreciated since so many people were caught on joking/saying that he looks like a girl.

Anyway, I thought he was an effective villain. Better developed like newer FFs (at the time), but had the constant menacing nature of the classic FFs the game was trying to draw inspiration from.

Christmas
07-04-2014, 02:38 AM
He probably leads a frugal lifestyle and limit the clothes that he wears. :bigsmile:

This is something kids should learn about from Uncle Kuja and grow up to be just like him wearing little clothes. :bigsmile:

Ergroilnin
07-16-2014, 10:37 PM
I liked him very much. He had imo the perfect balance of crazy and collected.

Ayen
07-19-2014, 06:25 AM
I didn't find him the least bit interesting or intimidating, and he came across as a creeper when around Garnet. I also only got to disc 2 of the game, so maybe he gets better later. From what I played I didn't care for him.

Wolf Kanno
07-23-2014, 05:04 AM
So, what are your thoughts on Kuja? Is he a great villain or did he just not do it for you?

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The Man
07-23-2014, 05:25 AM
Probably the second best main villain in the main series after Kefka.

Christmas
07-23-2014, 05:36 AM
He scares little children with his obnoxious clothing. I think he deserves respect for that. :bigsmile:

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http://home.eyesonff.com/showthread.php/158449-Final-Fantasy-Hunt-and-Guess!

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Psychotic
07-23-2014, 07:57 AM
With that outfit, respect probably isn't what he's going for. Kuja is alright. There are worse villains in FF but there's a few better ones too.

Ayen
07-23-2014, 08:04 AM
He was a creeper. I found him uninteresting and not the least bit intimidating. He also gets to join the long list of stupid villains out there. "Hm, this one could be a problem in the future. Best keep him alive instead of taking him out while he's unconscious."

Though everyone with Alexandria was stupid in that part.

Pike
07-23-2014, 11:10 AM
Thread merged!

Pumpkin
07-23-2014, 04:25 PM
With that outfit, respect probably isn't what he's going for. Kuja is alright. There are worse villains in FF but there's a few better ones too.

The Man
07-23-2014, 08:17 PM
I like the way I said almost word-for-word the same thing in both threads. :monster:

Spooniest
07-27-2014, 06:46 PM
There's just something about a guy in a speedo that makes you want to tell him, "Dude, put some pants on, for God's sake!"

Other than that, a pretty good villain, though I wish he'd chew the scenery a little more. He's kind of sedate.

Freya
07-30-2014, 05:03 PM
I thought he was a she the first time I played, which I was like "sweet a female villain!" then it wasn't

Huckleberry Quin
07-30-2014, 05:05 PM
He's in my top three. I think he's a fantastically written character.

Lone Wolf Leonhart
08-10-2014, 08:54 AM
I'm also a big fan of his theatrics and the way he carries himself. Surfing a dragon is a bonus as well. I like his attacks, he's my go to character in Dissidia for all my magic needs.

He also has, in my opinion, one of the greatest boss themes from any Final Fantasy game.

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Laddy
08-10-2014, 09:14 AM
I like Kuja, yes even his design. He seems to have a very French Romanticism-inspired look with added elements of both sexuality and also depravity. It's a type of design that is unique amongst male characters. I find his personality interesting and I think he has one of the stronger motivations in the series. Not to mention his relationships with other characters and the world itself adding more gravitas to the scenes featuring him. He's one of my favorites.

sharkythesharkdogg
08-11-2014, 10:08 PM
I thought he was a she the first time I played, which I was like "sweet a female villain!" then it wasn't

I thought the same thing, and thought it was cool. I was all jazzed because FF8 had a pretty successful female villain, and there haven't been all that many. Then I just didn't find "her" very engaging or that interesting of a villain. Then I found out she was actually a he, and got even more disappointed because we've had plenty of male villains.

I'd have to play the game again, and I really like the game, but Kuja just really didn't seem to grab me. Plus, then Necron shows up as the final main villain after really not having any other story or explanation in the game that I recall, which really only served to undermine the importance of Kuja IMO.

Huckleberry Quin
08-15-2014, 01:18 PM
He does, absolutely, have one of the greatest villain themes ever. Bloody love it.

maybee
08-17-2014, 12:40 PM
Probably the second best main villain in the main series after Kefka.

Forsaken Lover
08-20-2014, 09:43 AM
I'd hit it.

Fatal Rose
08-20-2014, 07:20 PM
He was insanely powerful. Only boss to win no matter what. I like how he tried to redeem himself in the end. It was done well.

Sephiroth
08-20-2014, 07:24 PM
I love Super Saiyan 4, so that is my answer.


His plan failed. He didn't destroy the Planet and rule over it whatever pseudo-mystical babble he went on about for most of the game. And it failed directly because of his own stupidity; he was so arrogant that he honestly did not believe Cloud's party would be able to stop him. This is his own failure, and it is directly his fault.

This is in direct contrast to, say, Kefka, whose plan of absorbing the source of magic and gaining power over the Statues went off without a hitch. Kefka did later develop the plan to "destroy everything" and "create a monument to non-existence", but this only occurred after he spent a year ruling over everything as a god and found that it was boring.

Except it wasn't more of Kefka's plan to use the statues than Sephiroth's plan was to use Meteor while Sephroths absorption of life energy in the end was the final and real goal just as overall destruction and the eradication of hope was Kefka's. Kefka never actually presented a super master plan because he was destructive all the time and it didn't make a difference for him and stating that he will restore some statues but then suddenly reacting spontanously to what Celes did has nothing to do with him succeeding. So their success and failure was on the same level.

Bright Shield
08-25-2014, 10:03 PM
Best villain in FF. The depth of a newer FF villain, with the presence of an older one.


He was a creeper. I found him uninteresting and not the least bit intimidating. He also gets to join the long list of stupid villains out there. "Hm, this one could be a problem in the future. Best keep him alive instead of taking him out while he's unconscious."

Though everyone with Alexandria was stupid in that part.

You mean like when Sephiroth opens your jail cell?

Or how about when Ultimecia impaled Squall, but refuses to finish him?


Most FF villains do stuff like this.

Forsaken Lover
08-25-2014, 10:06 PM
Well Sephiroth actually needed to free you as you were kind of integral to his plan and he could mind control you any time he pleased.

Wolf Kanno
08-25-2014, 10:15 PM
Well Sephiroth actually needed to free you as you were kind of integral to his plan and he could mind control you any time he pleased.

Not really, he had the other clones to do his bidding and Jenova, he only strung the party along to toy with Cloud for hurting his pride, Cloud really wasn't all that important to the plan except to get petty revenge.

Forsaken Lover
08-25-2014, 10:25 PM
I would sincerely love to see one of the Clones trying to solve the Puzzle in the Temple of the Ancients. They can barely walk and talk, let alone figure out that whole deal.

Of course revenge was a factor but Cloud was leaps and bounds more useful than any of the others.

Bright Shield
08-25-2014, 10:51 PM
Sephiroth would have just controlled the clone, and then sacrificed it(much like Cait did to the animal body).

Besides, even after that Sephiroth has plenty of chances to kill Cloud, but just toys with his mind instead. Sephiroth is the master of plot induced stupidity.

Forsaken Lover
08-25-2014, 11:01 PM
You all do recall that several of the clones died en route to the Northern Crater, right? At least one died in the Temple and several more fell around the Whirlwind Maze and I think a little before.

They were just the survivors of Nibelheim - ordinary peons. Cloud may not have been a SOLDIER but he's obviously very strong. If my plan hinged entirely on a guy getting a magic rock to me I'd want that guy to be as powerful as possible. He's certainly more trustworthy than Nibelheim NPC #8.

The Man
08-25-2014, 11:06 PM
Sephiroth probably didn't give a shit how many of them survived, because his arrogance is one of his defining character traits. It honestly wouldn't occur to him that having more clones on his side would be beneficial to him.

Bright Shield
08-25-2014, 11:13 PM
Like I said, this doesn't even matter. Sephiroth had ample oppurtunity to kill Cloud after obtaining the black materia. Yet, chose not to.

The creators have even stated that Sephiroth doesn't even put forth any effort when fighting Cloud. This is after he was previously defeated as well. Dumbest villain ever.

Forsaken Lover
08-25-2014, 11:14 PM
Well yeah, there were two that actually made it to him and he proceeded to kill themcasually. My point wasn't that he cared about their lives but he cared that they had a high probability of making it to him with the Black Materia. Cloud had the highest probability of making it to Northern Crater with the Black Materia.

This is all besides the point because Sephiroth's Plan worked. He left Cloud alive and broke his mind and summoned Meteor. The final stage of his plan failed sure but his reasoning up to that point was solid and paid off.


Like I said, this doesn't even matter. Sephiroth had ample oppurtunity to kill Cloud after obtaining the black materia. Yet, chose not to.

He only gets the Black Materia in Northern Crater. Immediately after this he makes his barrier and starts restraining Holy. He had no chance to go after Cloud.

The Man
08-25-2014, 11:17 PM
His plan failed. He didn't destroy the Planet and rule over it whatever pseudo-mystical babble he went on about for most of the game. And it failed directly because of his own stupidity; he was so arrogant that he honestly did not believe Cloud's party would be able to stop him. This is his own failure, and it is directly his fault.

This is in direct contrast to, say, Kefka, whose plan of absorbing the source of magic and gaining power over the Statues went off without a hitch. Kefka did later develop the plan to "destroy everything" and "create a monument to non-existence", but this only occurred after he spent a year ruling over everything as a god and found that it was boring.

Bright Shield
08-25-2014, 11:30 PM
He only gets the Black Materia in Northern Crater. Immediately after this he makes his barrier and starts restraining Holy. He had no chance to go after Cloud.

Sephiroth can control Cloud like a puppet at that point. He could literally force Cloud to impale himself if he chose too. Even at the end, he can control the bodies of your entire party. It takes them at least a minute to break free of his control, and he just stands there.

The creators have even stated that Sephiroth doesn't exert any effort on Cloud. O_o

So yeah, it is unreasonable to bash Kuja for doing something that Sephiroth and most FF villains do. Sephiroth just takes it to a ridiculous level.

Forsaken Lover
08-25-2014, 11:40 PM
[theman]His plan failed. He didn't destroy the Planet and rule over it whatever pseudo-mystical babble he went on about for most of the game. And it failed directly because of his own stupidity; he was so arrogant that he honestly did not believe Cloud's party would be able to stop him. This is his own failure, and it is directly his fault.

His plan failed because Shinra made a giant smurf-off cannon that broke the barrier around Northern Crater. Cloud and friends never could have gotten anywhere near him if not for this random factor that neither side counted on.



Sephiroth can control Cloud like a puppet at that point. He could literally force Cloud to impale himself if he chose too. Even at the end, he can control the bodies of your entire party. It takes them at least a minute to break free of his control, and he just stands there.

Sephiroth manipulated the Jenova Cells in Cloud. Jenova Cells only control the weak-willed and weak-minded. SOLDIERs all have Jenova Cells in them but they aren't gibbering messes like the Nibelheim survivors and that's because Jenova Cells only prey on the weak. Cloud, when he was denying his past and running away from reality, was perfectly vulnerable to Sephiroth's manipulations. Once he gets out of the Lifestream though he had put his mind back together and was more determined than he had ever been in his life. Sephiroth no longer had a hold on him and that's really the entire point of the final battle between Sephiroth and Cloud. It showed Sephiroth no longer had any hold on Cloud's mind or spirit.


The creators have even stated that Sephiroth doesn't exert any effort on Cloud. O_o

That's for AC I think.

Sephiroth
08-26-2014, 12:28 AM
Sephiroth's control powers are directly related to his will power and he can influence people no matter what. The ex SOLDIER selling stuff in Junon also reacted to the JENOVA cells. The only reason for the Nibelheim clones to be sacrificed for Jenova Synthesis is because they had a little more plot relevance and were already presented as black-robed people from the very beginning. Something even the ex SOLDIER started to wear later. Sephiroth, the guy with the most powerful will which is his greatest weapon, controlling JENOVA cells gives him a great variety of options and is not as limited as when JENOVA cells no longer work for Zack because of his operations and a good will and do not start attacking him.

Also, while it is more a thing of "for the sake of the plot" Sephiroth not killing Cloud can at least be explained other than the mistakes of other villains because, even though he held a big grudge he was in a state of awakening when he first shapeshifted JENOVA's body. He did not even remember Cloud properly when meeting him on the Cargo Ship as he was in a constant meditation in the mako crystal of the Northern Crater, regenerating his body and absorbing energy so he with his consciousness projected in JENOVA's body was not able to remember the guy he hated so much at this point.

Bright Shield
08-26-2014, 01:47 AM
No one has responded to this:

Even at the end, he can control the bodies of your entire party. It takes them at least a minute to break free of his control, and he just stands there.

Sephiroth has the entire party completely helpless(they even felt like they were being ripped apart), and does nothing at all.



That's for AC I think

Yes, it is. Does that matter though? Sephiroth is still the worst victim of plot induced stupidity. He messes up over and over again, while most of the other villains only screw up once.

Sephiroth
08-26-2014, 12:07 PM
That is because it is not necessary to say something about it as it is true. The power he showed before the final battle is his psychic power, his telekinesis.

Bright Shield
08-26-2014, 10:38 PM
That is because it is not necessary to say something about it as it is true. The power he showed before the final battle is his psychic power, his telekinesis.

Exactly dude. He could have easily wrecked the party if he chose to, but didn't.

Thus you can't single out Kuja for plot induced stupidity, when pretty much every FF main villain does things like that. Sephiroth being the worst offender.

Sephiroth
08-26-2014, 10:49 PM
It is not possible to beat a superior enemy without captain planet light powers and exceptional arrogance. Call it the weakness they need so much. Sephiroth wanted to make Cloud suffer before killing him.

In Dragon Ball Z Cell had the chance to come back, ready his Kame Hame-Ha and teleport right behind Gohan to win but he didn't. 95% of the villains who are at least as powerful as the heroes lose against their own arrogance.

Bright Shield
08-26-2014, 11:12 PM
^I agree. I'm not bashing Sephiroth for it. I'm just saying that if Kuja can be bashed for this reason, then so can any other FF main villain. Including Sephiroth who has more than 1 moment of plot induced stupidity. This is me defending Kuja, rather than bashing the other villains.

Sephiroth
08-26-2014, 11:18 PM
Kuja also had multiple opportunities. They all had. Not just being beautiful in Burmecia while standing right before people that were beaten by Beatrix was one of the easiest opportunities to kill the heroes. Instead he just brushed through his hair and walked away.

Ergroilnin
08-26-2014, 11:25 PM
Yeah that was pretty much a case of arrogance or simply not giving a fuck.

I mean he is alien monkey with cool dragon and super powahz. If some one eyed woman can single handedly beat them alone then there is no need to bother himself with them.

Or he simply had fresh manicure and didn't want to ruin his nails, we will never know.

Pumpkin
08-27-2014, 08:35 AM
I do always like how video game villains will avoid killing you early on and instead send increasingly strong minions to buff you up and make you stronger before they finally face you and then they're all like "oh no how can this beeeee"

The Man
08-27-2014, 06:14 PM
RPG villains apparently don't understand how RPG mechanics work.


His plan failed because Shinra made a giant smurf-off cannon that broke the barrier around Northern Crater. Cloud and friends never could have gotten anywhere near him if not for this random factor that neither side counted on.This isn't accurate, though. I mean, yes, the cannon helped. But Sephiroth easily could have won despite the cannon. The fact that he did not is his fault and his fault alone.

Forsaken Lover
08-27-2014, 06:23 PM
How could he have won? Meteor was stopped, not even by Holy, but by Aeris, who he had killed. If anything, killing Aeris was what doomed him.

So...he should have killed our heroes except for the one he did kill. Huh.

Bright Shield
08-28-2014, 09:22 AM
Kuja also had multiple opportunities. They all had. Not just being beautiful in Burmecia while standing right before people that were beaten by Beatrix was one of the easiest opportunities to kill the heroes. Instead he just brushed through his hair and walked away.

What is your point? I'm saying that Kuja can't be singled out for this, since every other FF villain does this as well.

However, if we go into that mess of bad writing known as Advent Children. Then yes, Sephiroth is the undisputed dumbest FF villain of all time. It was directly stated by the creators that Sephiroth doesn't try at all on Cloud during any point of the fight. Which means that he literally allowed Cloud to chop him to ribbons. He's so stupid that he doesn't even try to fight against a guy that has already defeated him twice.

So yeah, if we go into AC, Sephiroth is the stupidest villain ever in a FF game. Hell, he's a contender for dumbest of all time. He crossed the line from arrogant to brain dead.

Luckily for Sephy, I'm only using the original FFVII.