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Spooniest
12-14-2014, 08:49 PM
Is that hairdo really necessary for a soldier to have

Go!

Leigh
12-14-2014, 08:51 PM
None of yer damn business!! :p

Newmani
12-14-2014, 11:03 PM
Thing's no less than 5 feet long, 1 foot wide, and 2 inches thick, for both the Buster Sword and Fusion Sword. If you're getting hit with it, you're a goner. I'm suprised during the scene at the Nibelheim reactor Sephiroth didn't get cut in half.​

Ayen
12-15-2014, 12:11 AM
It's a respectable length. Whatever that means.

VeloZer0
12-15-2014, 01:34 AM
How come 'AWESOME' isn't an answer?

Bubba
12-15-2014, 03:42 PM
Cloud has an exceptional length.

Pike
12-15-2014, 03:45 PM
It's bigger on the inside.

MissH
12-15-2014, 03:49 PM
Cloud has an exceptional length.

It's not about the size, it's what you do with it and Cloud has fabulous talent.

Spooniest
12-15-2014, 04:10 PM
This escalated quickly

Loony BoB
12-15-2014, 06:44 PM
In a materia-less, mako-less, Earth gravity world where people don't basically fly and shoot nuclear blasts out of their arms, I would say that it would be quite big.

But how heavy? That is the real question.

VeloZer0
12-15-2014, 07:16 PM
The sword weights somewhere between 120-240lbs, depending on how thick you think it is. (1"-2").

And also assuming that steel has the same density in the world of FF7.

Spooniest
12-15-2014, 09:19 PM
In a materia-less, mako-less, Earth gravity world where people don't basically fly and shoot nuclear blasts out of their arms, I would say that it would be quite big.

But how heavy? That is the real question.

Why am I thinking that Cloud waving that thing around in public without any regard for what's in his immediate vicinity would be both wantonly destructive and hilarious?

"YOU! Yeah, you! With the giant super sword! You knocked over my entire display last week! Get the hell out of here with that thing, will you!?"

Newmani
12-15-2014, 09:30 PM
The sword weights somewhere between 120-240lbs, depending on how thick you think it is. (1"-2").

And also assuming that steel has the same density in the world of FF7.
I dunno if it weighs THAT much. There are a lot of lightweight alloys out there, and whatever the heck it's made of it couldn't be too heavy because if it was 240 pounds Cloud would have a hard time even lifting it up. I say it weighs around 50 lbs, maybe 70. Maybe lighter, because it's clearly sharp enough to slice through steel and concrete like a butter knife, so it's unlike any steel alloy we have here.

VeloZer0
12-16-2014, 01:45 AM
Well, in any fantasy RPG they play a little fast and loose with actual physics. But based on it's volume and the density of steel that is what it comes to.

As for trying to figure out what it weights logically, I know quite a bit about actual sword mechanics and construction, as well as physics involved in martial arts. There really isn't any way to reconcile what is happening in the game with real life. It's best to just enjoy it for the ridiculous spectacle that it is.

Newmani
12-16-2014, 02:23 AM
Well, in any fantasy RPG they play fast and loose with actual physics. But based on it's volume and the density of steel that is what it comes to.

As for trying to figure out what it weights logically, I know quite a bit about actual sword mechanics and construction, as well as physics involved in martial arts. There really isn't any way to reconcile what is happening in the game with real life. It's best to just enjoy it for the ridiculous spectacle that it is.
Y-you mean... You're the ultimate blacksmith?! Holy cow!

Eh, I'll take your word for it then. But there's no way in Heaven or Earth that thing's made of steel. Maybe it's some kind of lightweight mythical ore or something of that nature but not even Damascus steel can cut through a foot of concrete like a hot knife through butter. I have no clue what it is but I sure want a sword made of that stuff!

Hipster Username
12-17-2014, 09:05 PM
Y-you mean... You're the ultimate blacksmith?! Holy cow!

Eh, I'll take your word for it then. But there's no way in Heaven or Earth that thing's made of steel. Maybe it's some kind of lightweight mythical ore or something of that nature but not even Damascus steel can cut through a foot of concrete like a hot knife through butter. I have no clue what it is but I sure want a sword made of that stuff!

Even being made of titanium (which is ~45% lighter than steel) the Buster Sword would still likely top 200 lbs. But...what if it were made of carbon nanotubes and also ignored the fact that the Buster Sword is noted in-game as being too heavy for regular humans to easily lift? Then we'd be on to something!

VeloZer0
12-18-2014, 07:27 AM
Well, even a 20lb sword is too heavy for an ordinary human to fight with effectively.

Crop
12-19-2014, 12:28 AM
Well, even a 20lb sword is too heavy for an ordinary human to fight with effectively.

Cloud is all jacked up on Mako though.

Loony BoB
12-19-2014, 02:30 PM
Yeah, it's all about the Mako. How many people have actually held that sword? Angeal, Zack, Cloud... anyone else in particular? Naturally whoever made the sword would be in there somewhere.

It seems to me that you have to consider the fact that when Tifa, with the right material, can lift up the heaviest of enemies and suplex them... a sword is child's play, really.

Which brings us on to the next question: Who is the strongest FF character based on what they actually show themselves doing in the game? Tifa must be right up there in that regard.

Sephiroth
12-19-2014, 05:00 PM
The Buster Sword is not heavy at all. Maybe we would have problems with it so it is heavy for us but it is not nearly as heavy as people think. Dissidia's only canonical stuff are the small details.

VeloZer0
12-19-2014, 05:48 PM
Perhaps include some useful supporting information in your post?

Sephiroth
12-19-2014, 05:55 PM
Like what? Cloud in Dissidia said it in a cutscene. There is nothing more to add. Except you want to know if it was Tuesday when he said it and that is unknown.

VeloZer0
12-19-2014, 07:16 PM
Knowing that it isn't heavy in Cloud's opinion is considerably different than saying it isn't objectively heavy. Context is important. The way you wrote it it sounded like you actually knew how much it weighed.

Spooniest
12-19-2014, 07:19 PM
Which brings us on to the next question: Who is the strongest FF character based on what they actually show themselves doing in the game? Tifa must be right up there in that regard.

Interesting...

I suppose it'd be Tifa (for Meteodrive/Meteor Strike), then probably Cloud for just being able to lift that thing...when I think about it, with the possible exception of the leg strength necessary for Barrett and Cid to jump as high as they do during "Catastrophe" and "Boost Jump/Hyper Jump/Dragon Dive," I don't really know if any of the other limit breaks involve a lot of physical strength on the chracters' part. There's "Death Gigas" but that's not on the same scale as the above.

So so from strongest to weakest, Tifa, Cloud, Cid, Barrett, then everybody else, I'll wager.

Sephiroth
12-19-2014, 07:43 PM
Knowing that it isn't heavy in Cloud's opinion is considerably different than saying it isn't objectively heavy. Context is important. The way you wrote it it sounded like you actually knew how much it weighed.

The way I wrote it sounds nothing like what you think as if it is unequivocally and exactly this. The context was "it is not as heavy as it looks but might still be heavy for us using the statement from Dissidia". There was nothing implying the exact weight or that it was just "light for Cloud" and letting Cloud say this already shows that it is made to answer something because "just for Cloud alone" would not really say anything which was not the intention when they scripted it. As if they let him say "well, in my opinion it is not heavy (even though it is 100 kg as people might assume while looking at it)". It says it is just not as heavy as people think when they look at it. Like a christmas tree. Still it can be as heavy as a normal sword (20 kg? I really don't know, I am bad at this) that not everyone can wield normally. So, just saying it is not as heavy because Cloud said something does not automatically lead to the conclusion that the mentioned thing was the weight. It is just one possible assumption - and a very odd one with me mentioning Dissidia.

So, well, that is it.:/

Loony BoB
12-19-2014, 10:49 PM
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80 pounds, apparently. That's about 36kg. I'm sure in Gaia they probably have some special material they can use for making such a weapon that makes it lighter than the one MAN AT ARMS put together.

Spooniest
12-20-2014, 02:07 AM
We oughtn't forget that Cloud was in the military, for starters (I mean he at least completed enough training to become an MP), and then he got hopped up on Mako and got injected with Jenova cells, so it isn't as though he could be expected to abide by the limits of normal human strength.

From a design standpoint I just find it obnoxiously huge. The programmers must've thought so too, because he pulls it out of nowhere multiple times.