Fantastic Four

[Spawn of Sephiroth]

So I know its just coming out tonight, but the verdict is already in and man it doesnt look good at all. I wasnt expecting this to be any means a great movie, but damn I didnt think it was gonna be this bad to people. Not sure when Ill go to see but for anyone who is, is it as bad as the critics are saying? I know most critics despise superhero movies but this thing is being gutted like a fish. 11% on Rotten Tomatoes at the moment.

[Sephex]

This is what happens when you make a movie just so you can maintain the rights to a property. I am not surprised it is getting reamed in reviews.

Oh, and here is a picture of Dr. Doom.

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/t/55a55332e4b01b059de4bcd2/1436898099506/

What?

[The Fat Bioware Nerd]

I was hoping that this new Fantastic Four movie would be at least as half as good 2013's The Wolverine and the theatrical version of X-Men: Days of Future Past, but clearly that was asking for too much because this movie and possibly it's sequel is going to get the Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2 treatment, meaning nobody is going to appreciate them and damn near everybody is going to say that they're pieces of crap! :mad2:

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

I just got home maybe five minutes ago from watching this movie. In my opinion those reviews are garbage. It was a good movie. I'm reading some of the reviews from Rotten Tomato right now and people seem to think this film was downright awful.

I have never been really invested in F4 as a comic reader or anything, but I think they did well with this movie. It definitely set a good base for a possible franchise. And I think that is exactly what this movie was for. It was about bringing the team together, not having them as this already witty and wonderful group.

The movie wasn't nearly as actiony as I expected, so there were lots of lulls, I guess. But I wasn't bored with it. I do think that the movie should have focused more on the building of the team and getting them to work together instead of with the government instead of bringing Doom back so soon. The plot could have been better, but it still worked.

It was a good movie. It would have been better if Fox had let the rights slip and Marvel picked it up.

[DMKA]

I'll probably end up seeing it tomorrow but holy hell everything I've heard and read so far is awful.

There are all sorts of crazy rumors floating around about the director of the film (who only directed one other film, albeit a well received film, before this one). Supposedly, he was regularly hostile toward the cast and crew, did hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of damage to a set, and he would show up drunk/high or just flat out not show up half the days to direct the movie, which ended up turning the production into hell for everyone else. This is also the alleged reason that LucasFilm, who was having him direct a future Star Wars film, has fired him.

[Ayen]

People said the same thing about Pixels, and I ended up enjoying that movie. I'll likely end up enjoying this one as well. From what I can tell they're comparing it to Marvel movies from Marvel Studios and criticizing it for not having the comedic touches and Stan Lee cameos as the other movies, when it's not a Marvel Studios project and can do its own thing.

That being said I'm not sure if I'll get in to see it or not.

[charliepanayi]

I know most critics despise superhero movies but this thing is being gutted like a fish.

Really? Because most of the MCU flms (plus all the X-Men films bar The Last Stand and the first two Spiderman films) have had decent reviews, it's the ones with terrible reviews that tend to stick out, like Electra, Daredevil, Catwoman etc.

And this looks awful, Michael B. Jordan and Miles Teller both deserve better. The director has claimed in a swiftly-removed tweet that his cut of the film was gutted by the studio, but who knows.

[Shorty]

The Fantastic Four films are cursed. Please stop remaking them.

[The Fat Bioware Nerd]

The Fantastic Four films are cursed. Please stop remaking them.

I'm willing to bet that if Marvel Studios made a deal with 20th Century Fox to produce an MCU Fantastic Four film, you'd probably wouldn't be saying that.

[Shorty]

The Fantastic Four films are cursed. Please stop remaking them.

I'm willing to bet that if Marvel Studios made a deal with 20th Century Fox to produce an MCU Fantastic Four film, you'd probably wouldn't be saying that.

But they haven't, so I can keep saying it. :p

[The Fat Bioware Nerd]

But they haven't, so I can keep saying it. :p

But I think they probably will, because I think now Fox realizes that they just can't please people with their Fantastic Four "films" so they to need right the ship by making a deal with Marvel Studios.

[Del Murder]

I always thought FF was one of the lamer superhero groups. I like Doom though, too bad he looks like an alien in this version.

[G13]

Kind of early to be calling that, Johnny_Numbers, since it released just this morning. I'd be all for Marvel reacquiring the FF and integrating them into their MCU, but there's still a chance that Fox will make enough money on this to consider it a win.

Also, you're comparing apples to theoretical oranges here. I wouldn't be so quick to hop on that Marvel D. They were behind Iron Man 3, after all.

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

They were behind Iron Man 3, after all.

Iron Man 3 was amazing.

I am still standing behind my statement that this was a good film, definitely worth watching.

If you don't agree with me then you are a doodoo head.

[Shorty]

They were behind Iron Man 3, after all.

Iron Man 3 was amazing.

I am still standing behind my statement that this was a good film, definitely worth watching.

If you don't agree with me then you are a doodoo head.

>"Iron Man 3 was amazing"
>"Fantastic Four was amazing"

You, sir, are the doodoo head!

[The Fat Bioware Nerd]

Kind of early to be calling that, Johnny_Numbers, since it released just this morning. I'd be all for Marvel reacquiring the FF and integrating them into their MCU, but there's still a chance that Fox will make enough money on this to consider it a win.

Also, you're comparing apples to theoretical oranges here. I wouldn't be so quick to hop on that Marvel D. They were behind Iron Man 3, after all.


If it doesn't happen with the 2015 Fantastic Four movie then it might happen sometime after the 2017 Fantastic Four sequel, (if it even gets a sequel) anyway I hear that Fox would not let critics see this movie early and there was a review embargo on the 2015 Fantastic Four movie as well, so basically Fox was trying to keep everybody away from this "film" because they didn't have any faith in the movie. And that's sad, when the studio doesn't have any faith in what they're selling! :shifty:

Anyway, I don't hate Iron Man 3 as much as you people do because it is a fucking masterpiece next to crappy Iron Man 2. I strongly dislike Iron Man 2, with a passion and the only reason why I even have it in my collection is because it came with Iron Man 1 & 3, as sort of a three pack. I couldn't buy Iron Man 1 & 3 without picking up Part 2 as well.

[Del Murder]

Has there ever been a review embargo on anything that wasn't terrible?

[The Fat Bioware Nerd]

Has there ever been a review embargo on anything that wasn't terrible?

I don't know.

[Ayen]

http://home.eyesonff.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=65414&stc=1

Got a good chuckle out of that.

Sad thing is, even if it goes back to Marvel you're still going to have people who are tired of the movies being remade even if they turn out to be good. It's already happening to Spider-Man.

[The Fat Bioware Nerd]

Sad thing is, even if it goes back to Marvel you're still going to have people who are tired of the movies being remade even if they turn out to be good. It's already happening to Spider-Man.

Well, you know movie studios...They're gonna milk something until it's dry, just like they milked the first Ang Lee Hulk with The Incredible Hulk and they gonna do the same thing to Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four. Anyway if the Fantastic Four ever comes to the MCU, you know you guys just wanna see the FF on the Avengers lineup with Ant-Man and Spider-Man.

I've been reading articles on ScreenRant.com and I just wanted to post this link right here.

‘Fantastic Four’ Box Office Suggests Major Loss for Fox (http://screenrant.com/fantastic-four-box-office-fox-loss/)


Wow, that's too bad. Well, you played the game and you lost, Fox. :smug:

[Ayen]

Galactus and Silver Surfer confirmed for Guardians 2.

[The Fat Bioware Nerd]

Oh, wait a minute. Nevermind. Box Office Mojo is saying something different.

Forecast: 'Fantastic Four' Set To Take First - Box Office Mojo (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4093&p=.htm)

[Ayen]

Not sure who to believe.

[Colonel Angus]

It could still take first place & do horribly.

All Marvel needs to do is get the rights back before the Infinity Wars. The F4 can be introduced there & get their own movie in Phase 4 or something. They can do it the right way, Old Man Reed, sexy Susan, Chris Evans pulling double duty playing Cap & Torch, & they can do a decent Doom.

[The Fat Bioware Nerd]

You know, I just thought about this today. Just now. Wouldn't have it been better if instead of yet-another origin story, the Fantastic Four movie from 2015 was effected by the events of X-Men: Days of Future Past? I mean for example, let's say that the original Fantastic Four (Tim Story's Fantastic Four) had died in the dystopian future of Days of Future Past? But when Logan went back in time to stop Raven from killing Trask, he resetted the timeline and it's like the Fantastic Four never died, only now they're being played by different actors. (Anyway, if I were Fox and I did that I definitely wouldn't have hired Michael B. Jordan to play Johnny Storm.)

[Colonel Angus]

The director slammed the studio, blaming them for ruining the movie.

Here's a little conspiracy theory to chew on:

What if Fox wanted the F4 to fail, so when they wanted to get the TV rights for the X-Men, they had something to exchange w/ Marvel? Let's say Fox originally set out for this movie to do well, but over time realized that juggling two different franchises wasn't worth it for the studio. And seeing WB/DC do so well on TV, why not take the incredibly popular X-Men franchise & put them on TV? Well, w/ Marvel maintaining the TV rights, that wasn't going to happen. But...

"how about we give them the F4 back for the X-Men rights?"

"But, Mr. Murdock, we're currently making a F4 movie!"

"Bloody well make it fail then, mate! Give those wankers back to Marvel so we can utilize our more popular franchise! They'll do anything to get the F4 back!"

[The Fat Bioware Nerd]

The director slammed the studio, blaming them for ruining the movie.

Here's a little conspiracy theory to chew on:

What if Fox wanted the F4 to fail, so when they wanted to get the TV rights for the X-Men, they had something to exchange w/ Marvel? Let's say Fox originally set out for this movie to do well, but over time realized that juggling two different franchises wasn't worth it for the studio. And seeing WB/DC do so well on TV, why not take the incredibly popular X-Men franchise & put them on TV? Well, w/ Marvel maintaining the TV rights, that wasn't going to happen. But...

"how about we give them the F4 back for the X-Men rights?"

"But, Mr. Murdock, we're currently making a F4 movie!"

"Bloody well make it fail then, mate! Give those wankers back to Marvel so we can utilize our more popular franchise! They'll do anything to get the F4 back!"


That's sort of like the theory going around that Sam Raimi purposely made a bad Spider-Man movie co-starring Venom, because he didn't wanna do a movie with Venom in it.

Anyway, I like your theory. :)

[Pheesh]

That... makes no sense, why would you have to make it fail in order to trade it for the X-Men TV rights?

[The Fat Bioware Nerd]

That... makes no sense, why would you have to make it fail in order to trade it for the X-Men TV rights?


Probably because investors wouldn't want to sell off the Fantastic Four if it was profitable. So they had to make sure the Fantastic Four would fail, to keep the investors happy and so their stock wouldn't plummet.

[Pheesh]

Investors are happy that Fox's big budget movie just failed...?

Trust me, it makes no sense. Better to have a movie that performs well in all instances, if F4 had done well Marvel would have been even more desperate to take it away from Fox as well.

[The Fat Bioware Nerd]

Investors are happy that Fox's big budget movie just failed...?


Probably not. But the investors probably wouldn't let Fox sell off the rights to the Fantastic Four before they did that stupid origin story reboot. So, now they have no choice but to sell. Anyway there's conflicting reports on the F4's Box Office. ScreenRant and Variety says one thing and Box Office Mojo says another. It's annoying. :mad2:

[charliepanayi]

Actually they're all pretty much in agreement, the opening US weekend looks set to be a big stinker by superhero movie standards. Of course loads of internet bigots are already seizing on this info as proof that casting Michael B Jordan was a terrible idea (yeah guys, that's clearly the reason nobody wants to see it). Of course it may yet be bailed out by international grosses, like Terminator: Genisys has been.

[Jinx]

I...am actually really interested in seeing this movie, and as a general rule don't care much for superhero movies. Nor am I terribly invested in Fantastic Four.

[DMKA]

PLEFTBW was right. I just got done seeing it and it's not a bad film by any stretch of the imagination. I'm baffled by the horrible reviews.

I'd rank it higher than the first Captain America film easily.

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

PLEFTBW was right.

Noted, and will probably be quoted out of context shortly.

[Shauna]

I was so bored this entire movie. So bored. Nothing happened! And then 10 minutes from the end Dr Doom shows up blows up some stuff is punched and then the end.

[Formalhaut]

Me and Mr. Carny went to see this movie two days ago and it was... okay? It was by no means the worst film imaginable, and it does have a few bright points but ultimately, it is a poor film. I'd give it a 5, maybe even 4/10.

The film just gets progressively worse the more it goes on. The beginning starts interesting enough, with a young Reed and the origin story of his device. Let's just leave aside and ignore how any parent would allow their child to construct something so dangerous in their garage. Then it goes on into the present day. Again, okay, but not very exciting. Some development for Sue, and Johnny, though Grimm basically leaves the film for half of it. Victor is introduced, and goes all psycho-protective boyfriend over Sue. Eventually, and I mean eventually, the machine is built, and the men go into the pods (Grimm being brought in the last minute).

Seriously, what is Grimm even there for? In the past, he was good literally for giving Reed that power converter, and has limited scientific knowledge. I'm fairly certain Grimm and Sue/Johnny barely speak to each other in the film. His role was never defined. Neither was Victor's. He vanishes for half the film and then pops up towards the end.

That sums up the film. Things popping up and fading out of view again. It wasn't a very good film.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Honestly, I didn't think it was that bad. It was a bit slow in places and the ending didn't really fit that well with the rest of the film. But, those were the only two big problems.

I'd give it a 5.5/10. Maybe a 6. By no stretch of the imagination was it the worst superhero movie I've ever seen.

[charliepanayi]

I've seen rumours that Marvel are finally getting the film rights back. Anyone up for another reboot?

*watches tumbleweed roll past*

[Ayen]

I never did share my review on this. You can find it on my blog if you're really curious, but I'll give you the cliffnotes.

Reeds' an unlikeable douche and deserve all the hate he gets.

The Thing looks fake as hell.

The people get their powers by basically getting drunk and thinking it's a good idea to travel to another dimension. Susan is just at the wrong place at the wrong time trying to save their stupid asses. Basically, their origin story can be summed up as "Stupid teenagers."

The guy playing Doom sticks his hand in green goop for crying out loud.

Dr. Doom is a Eco-terrorist that dies from stupidity because he doesn't do any of the trout he does to extras when fighting the main heroes. And by the time he does kill off the soldiers or whatever you're rooting for him because they're dicks and you don't care if they die. Yes, I rooted for the bad guy IN A SUPERHERO MOVIE!

Only good thing about the movie was Johnny and Susan. Props to them for not making a big deal out of Susan being adopted. Even though the only reason they made her adopted was so they could cast a white girl in the role.

Oh, and the powers were okay, too. WHEN THEY ACTUALLY SHOWED THEM!

Roll credits.

[Colonel Angus]

I've seen rumours that Marvel are finally getting the film rights back. Anyone up for another reboot?

*watches tumbleweed roll past*
That rumor is likely fake. Unfortunately.

If it's not fake, I'd actually like to see them introduce the F4 in a movie like the Infinity War. I don't think they really need their own movie, as most of the audience knows who the characters are anyway. Reed & Susan could be involved in Averngers storylines, Johnny w/ Spider-Man, and Thing w/ the Guardians. Doom would be a great Big Bad for an Avengers/F4 teamup to face in Phase 4. "Fantastic Phase 4?"

[Ayen]

Silver Surfer and Galactus in the next Guardians movie, or GTFO!