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Vyk
02-22-2016, 05:07 AM
Another amazing strategy RPG I probably won't complete. The girlfriend and I just got ourselves each copy of the game, and she's put about 15 hours into each already. And I've put maybe 3 hours into Conquest, thanks to work, and sleep, and a need for internet time here and there, and kinda refusing to get too distracted from my FFXII playthrough

It reminds me though, I'm surprised Awakening didn't come up in The Best Written RPGs thread. I mean it's not completely top tier, but it's damn good. One thing Awakening and now Fates sure does well is their characters. They both sure know how to make you feel like the character you've created is loved and respected by a good portion of the cast. It's really quite endearing

And there's supposed to be a smattering of down time in these games, as opposed to Awakening, which was almost exclusively story and battle over and over. Though I guess you did have the little skits at camps and towns and stuff if you eavesdropped on the barracks. This one is set up similarly where you can invite people to hang out, and get like one or two lines, as their support grade goes up

But I'm not all that far. Super duper enjoying it while I can though. Just made it past where the story splits between the two games

One interesting thing to note is that if you decide to play both, the beginning for both is exactly the same until that choice which is where Chapter 6 begins. It only takes an hour or two to get there, and if the game detects you've played that much of the other game, it will let you skip right to that part of the game and not have to worry about the identical beginning part

Anyway. Is anyone else digging into one or both of the games?

Skyblade
02-22-2016, 06:17 AM
Got the special edition. Loving it. Characters are fantastic. Map design and mechanics are vastly improved over Awakening. Can't wait to play more, so short post.

Del Murder
02-22-2016, 07:50 AM
Trying to figure out which version to get. I like the challenge of Conquest, but I read you can't do side missions in that game so you really need to make sure you level your characters properly.

Vyk
02-22-2016, 04:18 PM
Not sure what constitutes a side mission but I've heard the same thing. First hand from the girlfriend who made it twice as far in the same amount of time. Though I just did a paralogue and that was definitely optional. And a lot of experience

Fynn
02-22-2016, 04:20 PM
And we don't even have a specific release date yet :p

Still, i want conquest. I expect we'll get the other half as DLC, like Japan, and then that other chapter too.

Pumpkin
02-22-2016, 04:32 PM
I want this game but won't be able to afford it for a little bit. Glad you're enjoying it so far

maybee
02-22-2016, 06:01 PM
I've never been so upset, frustrated and furious in my life. For starters Europe/ Aus & NZ HAVE NO RELEASE DATE YET FOR THIS GAME- Just '2016' ! It's like Nintendo could really give less of a fuck about us. Those who are saying that we are getting Bravery Default first though, it's different, totally different because America has a release date- it's ready to come in April.

Meanwhile I have been spoiled with this game so many times online. I just thought 'fuck it' yesterday and went into YouTube and watched the ending to Conquest, because Americans are going to spoil this thing anyways. Cheers Nintendo.

Vyk
02-22-2016, 06:48 PM
Wow, didn't realize Nintendo in other regions was dropping the bal so badly. No risk of me spoiling the game. I'll probably never beat it. I'm playing conquest because there is limited distractions and makes it at last nite likely to best buy I'll probably still get burned out

I guess that explains why there was no talk of it. Half the fans are getting denied :-\

Fynn
02-22-2016, 06:51 PM
If Awakening is anything to go by, we should get it around April

Skyblade
02-23-2016, 08:29 AM
Trying to figure out which version to get. I like the challenge of Conquest, but I read you can't do side missions in that game so you really need to make sure you level your characters properly.

Not exactly.

You can do as many sidequests as you can unlock. Seriously, go nuts. Recruit all the side characters, whatever. They're fine.

However, you cannot do any of the random battles. Further, while DLC missions can be repeated indefinitely, you will gain zero experience from the DLC missions, with the sole exception of the "Boo Camp" DLC, which is a map designed specifically for EXP acquisition (similar to EXPonential Growth from Awakening). Other rewards, such as weapons or items, are dished out normally from DLC missions, but you will get no experience. "Boo Camp" (when it releases) is thus the only way to indefinitely grind for character Exp in Conquest.



Anyway, on to other stuff:

The new Pair Up mechanics are so much better than the old ones. Choosing between the offensive or defensive setup is a very, very important choice that adds a ton of tactical depth, instead of just "Pair Up to win".

You don't get Dual Strikes if you Pair Up, but you do get pretty significant stat bonuses, even at low Support levels, and the new mechanics for the Dual Guards system are great. The more actions the pair take together, the more the system charges up, and it maxes out, it will fully block the next hit you take. If you are Paired-Up, Dual Guards will also completely negate enemy Dual Strikes. Anyway, the system is a lot more reliable, and makes you think about how and where to use your pairs (don't worry, it doesn't take too long to charge up, so you don't have to worry about it too much).

There doesn't appear to be a dedicated Jeigan, but you get several characters that serve that role during various chapters, and using them right is actually important. They can still steal experience, so you don't want to over use them (seriously, in Chapter 5 the OP character you want to rely on was only getting 1 XP per kill). But, at the same time, you can't just use your weaker units, or you will lose units. After using units like Titania and Seth, who were good the entire game, or either over-relying on Frederick during early Lunatic, or not using him at all on the lower difficulties (except once I got him to good stats in the eternal grind), it's nice to have that archetype be characters that you have to use WELL again.

The new weapon mechanics are brilliant. I don't miss durability at all (Armsthrift was a skill I prized almost as much as Galeforce). But the new changes are so big, and yet so simple, overall. Ninja stars can debuff opponents, some weapons can't counter as well, etcetera. But they all list what they do very clearly. And the new weapon triangle is such a subtle, brilliant thing. Each weapon has a background now. A color, with a small colored stripe at the bottom. It shows what class the weapon is, and what it beats. So a weapon with a Blue background, and a Red stripe below it counts as a Blue weapon, and beats Red weapons. It's obvious when you want to know, but it doesn't stand out or get in the way at all.

Overall, I'm loving this game. I get the feeling that there is SO much more depth in the combat, and I can't wait to uncover more of it.

Vyk
02-23-2016, 03:47 PM
Good lord that was a very in depth and informative breakdown. I didn't know or realize half that stuff. Thank you

I do want to point out though for people who are on the fence and possibly a little intimidated. I'm about ten hours in on Conquest and actually I think I'm on chapter ten as well. Not knowing or utilizing some of that stuff or utilizing it on accident hasn't held back my gameplay or enjoyment. Conquest is noticeably more straightforward and difficult but not by a huge margin. Just a noticeable margin. It's perfectly enjoyable. So don't think you have to be a Fire Emblem pro to get any fun out of it

Del Murder
02-23-2016, 06:05 PM
Trying to figure out which version to get. I like the challenge of Conquest, but I read you can't do side missions in that game so you really need to make sure you level your characters properly.

Not exactly.

You can do as many sidequests as you can unlock. Seriously, go nuts. Recruit all the side characters, whatever. They're fine.

However, you cannot do any of the random battles. Further, while DLC missions can be repeated indefinitely, you will gain zero experience from the DLC missions, with the sole exception of the "Boo Camp" DLC, which is a map designed specifically for EXP acquisition (similar to EXPonential Growth from Awakening). Other rewards, such as weapons or items, are dished out normally from DLC missions, but you will get no experience. "Boo Camp" (when it releases) is thus the only way to indefinitely grind for character Exp in Conquest.

Ok, I get it now. The paralogues and other side missions are still there but the random encounters aren't. I loved the battle system in Awakening so much that I often did those encounters whenever they popped up on the map. And it was fun to build up the relationships, etc. Does this essentially mean Conquest has less content for those who like to keep battling?

Pumpkin
02-23-2016, 06:06 PM
I'll probably get the Birthright one. Seems more up my alley

Vyk
02-23-2016, 06:18 PM
My girlfriend informs me that the big difference is that in Birthright you get to scout previous areas and see if any enemies are back, and depending on the difficulty of the battle that comes, that determines how much it costs to scout that area, and then you get to fight another battle there. Good for an experience grind or to test out classes or build more relationships, but not essential. It doesn't sound like you really miss out on anything in Conquest, there's just that limiting option; from my understanding anyway

Pumpkin
02-23-2016, 06:19 PM
I've heard Birthright is easier and is generally recommended as a starter for those who are bad at tactics games because it's a smaller learning curve. It also has slightly more characters that I'm interested in

Ugh I want this game now. Hurry up birthday!

Skyblade
02-23-2016, 07:26 PM
Trying to figure out which version to get. I like the challenge of Conquest, but I read you can't do side missions in that game so you really need to make sure you level your characters properly.

Not exactly.

You can do as many sidequests as you can unlock. Seriously, go nuts. Recruit all the side characters, whatever. They're fine.

However, you cannot do any of the random battles. Further, while DLC missions can be repeated indefinitely, you will gain zero experience from the DLC missions, with the sole exception of the "Boo Camp" DLC, which is a map designed specifically for EXP acquisition (similar to EXPonential Growth from Awakening). Other rewards, such as weapons or items, are dished out normally from DLC missions, but you will get no experience. "Boo Camp" (when it releases) is thus the only way to indefinitely grind for character Exp in Conquest.

Ok, I get it now. The paralogues and other side missions are still there but the random encounters aren't. I loved the battle system in Awakening so much that I often did those encounters whenever they popped up on the map. And it was fun to build up the relationships, etc. Does this essentially mean Conquest has less content for those who like to keep battling?

Without DLC, yes (although the first DLC map, "Before Awakening" is free). With DLC, any mission will allow you to build up relationships, and gather items (you get a free weapon each time you beat Before Awakening, for example. It's not very good, but it's there).

On the other hand, the Conquest missions tend to be longer and have a lot more enemies, so you can still get some good experience out of them.

Rin Heartilly
02-23-2016, 07:56 PM
I'm so envious of you guys :( I've been waiting for this game for ageeeesss.....but alas I live in Australia, at least I can share the pain of my EU brethren.

But seriously I love awakening, beat apothesis on lunatic+, played the heck out of it. Can't wait for fates >.<

maybee
02-24-2016, 06:01 PM
I'm so envious of you guys :( I've been waiting for this game for ageeeesss.....but alas I live in Australia, at least I can share the pain of my EU brethren.

Aussie should get the game a day or two after Euro.

Yes ! Euro/ Oceania no ! FE sadness hug :cry:

Skyblade
02-25-2016, 03:25 AM
I've currently been plugging away at Birthright for eleven and a half hours of game time (not counting resets).

Still at Chapter 9.

I just really like grinding in Fire Emblem games. It's soothing.

Del Murder
02-25-2016, 08:30 PM
I just really like grinding in Fire Emblem games. It's soothing.
Me too. It's zen in a way. Which is why I'll probably go for Birthright. Could always download Conquest later.

Hollycat
02-25-2016, 09:24 PM
I really want a copy of Birthright but right now I just cant afford it. I adored awakening.

Vyk
02-26-2016, 04:43 AM
Yeah, it's probably not going to go down in price, even a year or so from now

We gave our Awakening to my girlfriend's sister so she could have an awesome portable game to play, and this has renewed my interest in trying to finally beat that game, but it's still $40. After all this time, and after a sequel, it's still full price. Which is fine, but the Fates games are like a $60 run if you just get one physical copy, the DLC of the other, and then revelations. And there's already a $18 map pack, so I guess at the moment it's an $80 experience, for one go

My girlfriend and I both got physical copies though so we wouldn't interrupt each other's fun. We'd both need to get Revelations separate. If we both got everything it'd be like $200 xD While I get the point, I really really hate this Pokémon style splitting up of the game

ShunNakamura
03-03-2016, 12:43 AM
Well I got me the special edition and the Revelations storyline choice looks to appeal to me most. However, I am going through it B/C/R. Which seems to have been a good choice because quite clearly my fire emblem muscles got weak. Ended up having to switch down to hard/casual for the children's side chapters. I just couldn't save Shiro and keep everyone alive at the same time. Seems the children's chapters think I am underleveled for the story point I am in. The enemies in those chapters all have about 5 levels on my party :/.

Anyways since the change to Javelin/Hand Axe/etc I have found that I never use them. Obviously something had to be done to offset the lack of durability, but ugghh. Maybe I just have too many 2 and 1-2 range users. Basically I only use them when I want to soften something up for xp reasons(I.E. feeding to a lower leveled unit). The no critical hit feature can be useful for that. Afterall, I do tend to keep some of them in my inventories just in case(not that I have used them more than once or twice* for non softening reasons in 23 chapters, but some of my folks don't lack for inventory space so why I figure why not give them a javelin even if they never use it). Brass weapons also have no crit, but I am not as likely to have them in my inventories late game.

*Both times I can recall were to hit an enemy I couldn't hit otherwise after my unit designated to kill it missed 1 of their 90+% chance to hit. I mostly wanted to make sure the enemy didn't end run and attack someone squishy.

maybee
03-03-2016, 04:00 PM
Europeans might get a release announcement today at Nintendo Direct ! Here's hoping Euro/ Aus squad ! :ohdear:

sinuosity
05-08-2016, 01:45 PM
This comes out in a couple of weeks for my fellow Australian/Euro fam?

No idea which one I'll get. Kinda tempted to just import a US N3DS XL as I only have an old OG 3ds which is awful to hold lol. Region lock is the most annoying thing ever. Europe letting in millions of refugees but companies can still region lock hardware. OUTRAGE

Del Murder
05-09-2016, 08:02 PM
I went with Birthright with the intention of downloading Conquest later. So far I'm finding Birthright to be pretty easy even on Hard mode so I think the order I chose makes sense since I hear Conquest is harder. If you plan to play both, you may be bored with Birthright if you get Conquest first.

Difficulty aside, I'm really liking this game. Removing the durability from weapons was such a welcome change. I like that they added some downsides to the higher attack weapons which adds to strategy as to which weapon you choose. Also I like that adjacent units always do an attack unless you are paired. Removes some of the uncertainty from Awakening's system. I don't like that paired units are not as good as Awakening, but I guess they were too overpowered in that game.

I went with Casual mode (which may be why it is so easy, since I can freely sacrifice a unit or two in order to plow ahead), which I know is Fire Emblem blasphemy, but I did Classic all through Awakening and it led to several resets when one of my favorite characters dies. I don't have the time to go through that again and I don't regret it. More fun this way.

Vermachtnis
05-10-2016, 07:23 AM
I just got Birthright. I heard it was the easier of the two and this being my first Fire Emblem, that sounded like a good idea. I wasn't sure what I was doing when making my character, I made her Lucky and excitable. I assumed it was stat growth and luck is almost always a good stat. I'm not sure what Excitable does, I picked it cause it sounded fun. And I went with the Oni Savage class for pretty much the same reason. And Onis are cool.