Moana

[charliepanayi]

This is Disney's next animated film, out towards the end of the year, and we have our first teaser trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6PbWhWGUrY

[Depression Moon]

Thanks for making this the first thing I saw when I woke up.
Not much I can say about this teaser trailer other than I liked the Hercules-like storytelling in the beginning.

[Freya]

That looks beautiful! I'm excited!

[Galuf]

i moana lot


srs tho. it looks alright probably watch it at a random time

[Shauna]

Yeah, I might check it out.

:3

[Pheesh]

That water animation looks absolutely spectacular. I might even go see this one in a cinema if it's going to look this good.

[maybee]

Holy cheese and crackers; I'm in love with the little piggy :love:




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RIP Olaf

[Fynn]

I haven't even seen the trailer but I so wanna see this movie!

[Pike]

Lin Manuel Miranda not only writes the music but also sings in it????

SIGN ME UP

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

HE DOES THE EYEBROW!

So excited. I have been since I heard about it.

[Calliope]

When this project was first announced, it was said that Moana was going to feature a mish-mash of various demigods, palm trees, and hula scenes. Moana was maybe going to be Maori, or maybe Tahitian, or maybe Samoan; but who cares how accurate or researched something might be, us Pasifika peoples should just be happy to have any place at the Disney pantheon, right? It made me very nervous.

I do not think that this movie will be perfect, but I do think it will likely be good; mostly as Taika Waititi wrote this movie, Dwayne Johnson is a great choice for Maui, and the directors specifically cast a Pasifika actress as Moana. I am not a fan of the Hercules aesthetic, but I have to say that it was cool hearing Maui speak Te Reo Maori.

[Miriel]

Lin Manuel Miranda not only writes the music but also sings in it????

SIGN ME UP

Riiiiight! As soon as the song started I was like, THAT IS MOTHERFUCKING LIN MANUEL!!!

Fangirling aside, this movie just looks gorgeous.

[Slothy]

This looks awesome.

[DMKA]

It's absolutely gorgeous to look at. I may go see it in the theater based on that alone. Well, based on that and the fact that I'm a huge Disneyfag.

[Ayen]

The Rock?

I'm sold.

[Big D]

When this project was first announced, it was said that Moana was going to feature a mish-mash of various demigods, palm trees, and hula scenes. Moana was maybe going to be Maori, or maybe Tahitian, or maybe Samoan; but who cares how accurate or researched something might be, us Pasifika peoples should just be happy to have any place at the Disney pantheon, right? It made me very nervous.

I do not think that this movie will be perfect, but I do think it will likely be good; mostly as Taika Waititi wrote this movie, Dwayne Johnson is a great choice for Maui, and the directors specifically cast a Pasifika actress as Moana. I am not a fan of the Hercules aesthetic, but I have to say that it was cool hearing Maui speak Te Reo Maori.I was dubious and cautious at first, too, but I've warmed to the idea after learning that the key cast and writers all hail from cultures who have Maui in their mythology. Reaction in NZ has been mixed, since a lot of folks here don't realise that Maui's a universal figure througout the Pacific instead of a uniquely Maori demigod. I'm looking forward to seeing a version of his stories that might draw on Hawaiian, Samoan and other versions of the same mythical figure.

[TheKeybasHKey]

Saw the Teaser last weekend, I want to go see that movie so badly. For what i saw the visuals look very good.

[charliepanayi]

Here's the first 'proper' trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKFuXETZUsI

[Bubba]

I'm done with animated films. Smurf those guys.

After both feeling crappy recently MissH and I decided to watch The Good Dinosaur. "This looks fun and light-hearted!" we thought.

Fast forward 90 minutes and I'm crying my eyes out.

Even children's films aren't safe, these days.

[Fynn]

That trailer was actually really good. Which is surprising. I can't remember the last time I saw an actually good trailer, especially for a kids movie.

[Jinx]

Denmark doesn't know it yet, but we WILL be seeing this in theatres (of which I highly doubt he'll object). Not only does this movie look really cute, it's STUNNING. Which is why I want to see it in theatres rather than wait, because I feel like something will be lost when it's not on the big screen.

[Slothy]

I'm done with animated films. Smurf those guys.

After both feeling crappy recently MissH and I decided to watch The Good Dinosaur. "This looks fun and light-hearted!" we thought.

Fast forward 90 minutes and I'm crying my eyes out.

Even children's films aren't safe, these days.

When we're children's movies ever safe?

[Jinx]

I'm done with animated films. Smurf those guys.

After both feeling crappy recently MissH and I decided to watch The Good Dinosaur. "This looks fun and light-hearted!" we thought.

Fast forward 90 minutes and I'm crying my eyes out.

Even children's films aren't safe, these days.

When we're children's movies ever safe?

Fucking never.

9UIc6o5Z8SU

[maybee]

Is it wrong that I'm not hyped for this movie at all ? Maui just seems to be that Flynn Rider personality, that they're going with again. First Flynn, then sorta Kristoff, then Nick from Zootopia and now Maui ?

Can we have a male character that's not a asshole, or bit smug, but shows that he's actually good deep down, during the last 10 mins of the movie ??

I mean, THROWING a young teenaged girl, into the waters, and not caring if she drowns or get eaten by sharks ? I know, it's played for the 'laughs', but, really ?

Disney seems to be doing good with the female leads, but the men, the m e n.

[Fynn]

Idk, Maui looks pretty endearing so far.

[charliepanayi]

I liked Flynn and Kristof. Not to mention Wreck-It Ralph and Fix-It Felix and Nick Wilde and all the guys in Big Hero 6. Where is there a lack of good male characters?

As for Maui chucking Moana off a boat, as Terry Pratchett will tell you, gods and demi-gods are gits.

[maybee]

Where is there a lack of good male characters?

Flynn Rider, Kristoff, Nick( and now Maui ) are assholes, till the last 5 mins of the movies that they were in.



I guess, I just loathe the Jerkass With The Heart Of Gold trope. Due to past personal experiences.



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[Fynn]

I don't think saying they're assholes to the last five minutes is a good assessment. Maui seems just very proud so far, which fits into him being a demi-god, really. Flynn was kind of one of those people that could weasel his way out of everything, but warmed up to Rapunzel pretty fast, while Kristoff was pretty much just unpleasant because he was frustrated that the weather ruined his business. None of them did really bad assholish things to the respective princesses.

[maybee]

I don't think saying they're assholes to the last five minutes is a good assessment. Maui seems just very proud so far, which fits into him being a demi-god, really. Flynn was kind of one of those people that could weasel his way out of everything, but warmed up to Rapunzel pretty fast, while Kristoff was pretty much just unpleasant because he was frustrated that the weather ruined his business. None of them did really bad assholish things to the respective princesses.

Flynn Rider is a manipulative liar, con-artist and a well-known wanted thief on the run, and was using Rapunzel for her crown for a decent chunk of the movie. Yes, Flynn, or rather Eugene warms up to Rapunzel, eventually, but his charming, feign- persona, is just heavily cringeworthy. With Aladdin, you know that he's just a boy that needs food to survive, and you know that he has a strong heart, he just feels like he's not worthy of anything. With Flynn, he's willing to use his charm, to use people, and almost does that to Rapunzel. It's just a bit, yikes.

Same with Nick. A manipulative liar, con-artist and uses his charm to manipulate others, is downright horrible towards Judy, and attempts to use her weaknesses and fears aganist her, so he can go back to his con way's.

Kristoff, while not much of a asshole as Flynn and Nick, still acts like a jerk towards Anna and her choices, while he's right, it's not within concern that she's going to marry a sociopath with a few days of knowing him; it's with a smug ' this girl is a idiot '. It's only after Anna has been cursed with a frozen heart, that he starts to be a nicer person and care about Anna's well-being, and safety. The day before, he could less, that a young eighteen-year-old girl was going to marry a dangerous psycho, that finds pleasure in decapitation.

[Jinx]

Maybee, you make some good points, but you're always so abrasive about it. I don't mean to attack you, but if you want people to hear what you say, you should state your opinion without going on the offensive all of the time (and I am totally guilty of this a lot, so I Get. It.).

That said, I find Maui super charming. I don't think he's a dick. He's cute.

[Skyblade]

While the character style can be overdone, I actually like the way Flynn is handled. His entire story in the movie is about his true character conflicting with his own perceived image and the persona he's built up for years. I always felt that his heart was just as good, just as strong, as Aladdin's, but that he hated to admit it. Stuck in the underworld for so long, where it's so easy to get hurt, he shielded himself, building up this "tough guy" image that was needed to survive in that world, and would protect him. But once he gets into a situation where caring helps him, it threatens to tear apart all he's built. He actually goes overboard on conforming to his persona because he sees it being threatened, and he's scared of what it would mean for him. It always seemed that he was forcing it, overcompensating, versus just acting on his basic feelings and instincts. And he learns to trust and open himself up again over the course of the movie.

And I completely disagree about Kristoff.

The day before, he could less, that a young eighteen-year-old girl was going to marry a dangerous psycho, that finds pleasure in decapitation.
Uh huh. And tell me, what do you know about the personality traits of royalty from another country?

To me, it was very clear that Kristoff had problems with her marrying a guy she just met from the very beginning. He thought it was weird and crazy and moving way too fast, and his reaction showed that from the beginning. But, he didn't feel it was his place to say more than he did. And, frankly, he was right. For one thing, Anna is royalty. But, for another, he just met her. Yes, her marrying someone she just met is weird, but he only met her five minutes ago himself. What position is he in to judge her life or her choices? He didn't know anything about the other prince, except that she wanted to marry him. He could've been a paragon of virtue and justice and the greatest guy on the planet for all he knows.

Kristoff did something when her heart froze, because that was when he was actually in a place where he had to take a stand. Her life depended on the relationship being true love, he knew she probably hadn't found that in a day, and he new he had to try to help her some way. Had she been unfrozen, but nothing else occurred, he'd still have let her marry the guy. Because it's her choice, and he knows that.

[Fynn]

As for Nick, he's kind of justified in that he's like that due to being a victim of prejudice all his life.

Not to mention the point of all those movies is that things don't always need to be as they seem and people don't need to be as bad as they think they are. Character development happens and people can learn from their mistakes and become better people.

And really, I think you're selling the princesses short by painting them as victims of assholery because honestly, not one of them gives into it. They either stand up to them or don't care, which really helps both sides develop as people. It's kind of like what happened with Belle and Beast where people blame it on Stockholm syndrome but Belle never really falls for Beast until he starts to put in the extra effort to not be an asshole anymore, for which he becomes motivated partly due to her strong will and stubbornness.

The point is, Disney's done this character type for ages and the reason is simple: we're all flawed and we all have moments of assholery, but we like to believe that we can overcome this and get a second chance and make right what once went wrong. This is what makes the "Jerk With a Heart of Gold" trope so relatable. Because pretty much everyone was a jerk to someone, no matter how much of a pure cinnamon roll too good for this world, too pure, we want to be.


And yeah, I am totally sold on Maui. I like how he looks - he's got that squished face like a pug or Persian cat that puts him in the ugly cute territory which we haven't seen in a main character since Quasimodo. And he's proud and arrogant but also has his butt monkey moments in the trailer which I think has huge comedic potential. I wasn't that interested in this movie so far, but this trailer made me really wanna go see it.

[charliepanayi]

If you read manga or watch anime, you get used to the 'tsundere' (acts tough but is a big softie underneath it all) type pretty quickly!

[maybee]

Maybee, you make some good points, but you're always so abrasive about it. I don't mean to attack you, but if you want people to hear what you say, you should state your opinion without going on the offensive all of the time (and I am totally guilty of this a lot, so I Get. It.).


Sorry, this is just a bit of a personal subject for me, and I have deep personal reasons why I hate this trope when it comes to anything in fiction. Because me trying to see the best in people, and believing that somebody a little rough around the edges, has a good heart, deep inside, has lead me to some of the worst ex-friendships and relationships in my life. Sorry to come off a bit...snappy.

Basically, I've been taught from bad personal experiences that a jerk is a jerk, and is a jerk deep down, there's no hidden warmth to them.



The point is, Disney's done this character type for ages and the reason is simple: we're all flawed and we all have moments of assholery, but we like to believe that we can overcome this and get a second chance and make right what once went wrong. This is what makes the "Jerk With a Heart of Gold" trope so relatable. Because pretty much everyone was a jerk to someone, no matter how much of a pure cinnamon roll too good for this world, too pure, we want to be..

Really, really, really disagree with you there Fynn.

[Fynn]

IM not saying that's how it actually is, just the reasons why many people find this archetype relatable. You don't have to be one of those people. I'm just hoping it'll be easier for you to deal with if you look at it that way.

[Mirage]

Never saw Kristoff as an asshole. What else can you do when a princess tells you she wants to marry some random prince right after meeting him? It's not like Kristoff knew what the prince was planning on, or probably much about royality at all. He's just some dude moving ice.

[Fynn]

Guys, this is coming out as Vaiana here wtf

[charliepanayi]

Probably a trademark issue of some kind. It's called Oceania in Italy as Moana is the name of a famous porn star there

[Mirage]

Should have played on her success and kept the name. I'm sure thousands of old men would watch it on the first night!

[DMKA]

I just got back from seeing it. It was rad. It had that Disney magic that all Musker/Clements films do (arguably with the sole exception of Treasure Planet). The music was mostly great, and it's an eye-poppingly gorgeous film. The two leads were played wonderfully and had great chemistry.

If it's not flawless, then it's pretty close. My one personal complaint is that Pua got so little screen time.

[Colonel Angus]

Saw this today & thought it was a blast! Great story, characters, music. Like everything that's good about Disney movies, it knew how to tug @ your heartstrings & make you laugh.

[charliepanayi]

It's good! Best bit was Jemaine Clement channeling David Bowie for the song Shiny

[krissy]

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[Pike]

I just saw this and I liked it a lot. I really like how the movie kind of subverted the "chosen one" trope by making you wonder if Moana was a the chosen one or if maybe she was just really determined. I thought she was a great character and I loved that idiot chicken. Great soundtrack too.

[Night Fury]

Watched this over the weekend. It was beautiful, and slightly more gut wrenching to watch since I just very recently lost my own Grandmother

10/10 imo.

[DMKA]

Watched this over the weekend. It was beautiful, and slightly more gut wrenching to watch since I just very recently lost my own Grandmother

10/10 imo.

Her grandma was my favorite character. :heart:

[Bubba]

Yeah, watched this recently and thought it was superb. Both the leads were fantastic.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

*sings How Far I'll Go*

[Khaotic]

Rented it recently, was pretty impressed. Reminded me of old school Disney movies.

[Madame Adequate]

Moana is so god damn good. It's one of my favorites from Disnep.

[Pike]

My favorite song in this entire movie is "You're Welcome" it's just so damn catchy.

HEY IT'S OKAY, IT'S OKAY, YOU'RE WELCOME

[Miriel]

Moana was a near perfect film for me. I absolutely loved it.

It was gorgeous. The water scenes in the beginning with baby Moana. The stingray scene with the Grandma (was this not one of the most poignant moments in a Disney movie?!). All the ancestors sailing in their ships. Freaking STUNNING. Holy cow.

Moana is basically the best princess Disney has ever had. I loved her.

I loved how they handled the ending. The slight twist with the big bad of the movie, and also the song Moana sings as she parts the sea. I straight up bawled my eyes out y'all.

I read this elsewhere afterward, but I appreciated how so many of the characters were deeply influenced by trauma and how this changed them.

AND THE MUSIC!! I cannot stop listening to the entire soundtrack. It's phenomenal and Auli'i Cravalho is so good! She killed it at the Oscars too. Also, I may have teared up in the theater as soon as Lin's voice came booming out. Siiigh. I love him.

[maybee]

Have you guys considered the coconut ?

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