Star Trek Discovery

[sharkythesharkdogg]

So, the new trailer doesn't show anything other than the ship. I agree the CGI is poor quality, but it's a very early, little teaser.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqm9HSYbf0o

They haven't even verified if the ship design will stay that way. Most people seem to hate the design, but I think I like it. I watched the teaser a few times, and something about the combination of Klingon and Federation design cues makes it interesting to me.

I dunno, but to me it looks like the ship would have been designed after Enterprise A but before Enterprise B? So somewhere right before the time frame at the beginning of Star Trek Generations, perhaps.

It's all speculation, but that time frame has plenty to work with if they do it right, and plenty to screw up if they do it wrong. :shrug:

[Slothy]

Bryan Fuller us awesome so the show will probably be done right. And I like the ship design too. It was test footage though so extremely early rendering. Who knows what may change by the time the show airs. Still excited for my first STD.

[charliepanayi]

Still excited for my first STD.

:eek:

Bryan Fuller is great, so hopefully he can work his magic here.

[Freya]

Yeah the STD thing cracks me up.

The Discovery also has a shorter number than later generation of ships so I think this show will take place earlier in the timeline. You know compared to DS9 or VOY

[sharkythesharkdogg]

That does seem to be how they number ships, but then you have the Enterprise NCC-1701-J which is from the 26th century. That's well after they went to the 5 number system. None of this stuff is written perfectly though.

To me, it looks like a bit like a Klingon D6/D7 body combined with an Excelsior or Centaur class saucer section. (Since the Centaur was a combination of Excelsior and Miranda class ships, I guess that's a little redundant).

I wonder if the tone of music is supposed to mean anything?

[Slothy]

Enterprise is kind of an exception. Each one receives the same numerical designation because it's such a well known legacy of ships with a prestigious history. The designation is as much a part of the enterprise as the name.

Presumably they'd have other ships with similar naming conventions, we just never hear about them very much. I can forgive the defiant not having the same registry as the one in Kirk's era since it was a prototype for an experimental class of ship.

Oddly the second defiant on ds9 got the first ones registry without a letter. Perhaps because it was the same class ship? Ah well, fuck consistency.

[sharkythesharkdogg]

Yeah, I don't remember the episode perfectly, but I recall they just decided "Sao Paulo? No. It's Defiant now." Which.....all right. Go for it I guess.

[Slothy]

Yeah, it was the Sao Paulo. Which is a shitty name so good they changed it.

I've often wondered why so many starfleet ships have earth names though.

[Freya]

Thanks to less lazy people on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/4x53z6/new_information_about_star_trek_discovery), have a collection of news!

Star Trek News


Will be set in the Prime Universe. 10 years before Kirk's 5-year mission. Prequel Confirmed. (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763526155525697537)
Fuller says Star Trek: Discovery takes events mentioned in previous iterations of Trek but "never full explored" (https://twitter.com/gdanielholloway/status/763525460646998016)
Incident at the center of Star Trek: Discovery is not the Romulan War, Fuller says (https://twitter.com/gdanielholloway/status/763527550811320321)
Star Trek: Discovery to have Female lead (https://twitter.com/Variety/status/763517886501576704)
Female lead will be human, but not captain (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763527734769381377)
Lead will be a Lt. Commander "with caveats" (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763535548027764736)
The first season will be 13 episodes (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763522191929413634)
Fuller: “We’ll probably have a few more aliens than you normally do in a Star Trek cast” (https://twitter.com/gdanielholloway/status/763526629528178689)
"Absolutely we're having a gay character." - Bryan Fuller (https://twitter.com/EWagmeister/status/763527004259962880)
will be serialized but each weekly chapter will also feature closed-end stories (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763526339051655169)
"Discovery is set so close to the Kirk era that we can play with all the iconography of those ships and those uniforms.” (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763528193198268416)
Fuller: "We are not subject to broadcast standards & practices. Neither was Hannibal and we got away with murder." (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763529486449074180)
Spock's mother Amanda Grayson "maybe" will be featured in Discovery but will not be central. (https://twitter.com/gdanielholloway/status/763529465888579586)
Bryan Fuller on the lead not being a captain: "We’ve seen 6 series from a captain’s point of view" (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763530064189231104)
Series will center around an event referenced in TOS (https://twitter.com/soniasaraiya/status/763533343530987520)
One of the alien characters is named Saru (http://deadline.com/2016/08/star-trek-discovery-bryan-fuller-cbs-all-access-1201801698/)
There will be robots in Star Trek Discovery. You can also bend space and time (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763525908376399872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Sources tell THR the rest of the cast will also feature an openly gay actor to play one one of the male leads (which Fuller confirmed), a female admiral, a male Klingon captain, a male admiral, a male adviser and a British male doctor. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-trek-discovery-woman-captain-916866)

CBS All Access information


There will be ads. about 12 minutes per hour (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763523166803111938)
Head of CBS All Access: "It’s the lightest ad load you can get. We’re toying with the idea of a commercial free option." (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763523687802810369)

[charliepanayi]

Also: It'll be shown on Netflix in the UK

[Freya]

Everywhere else but Canada and US get it on Netflix. Can and US get screwed with our stupid marketing crap for NEW streaming services.

[Slothy]

Incident at the center of Star Trek: Discovery is not the Romulan War, Fuller says (https://twitter.com/gdanielholloway/status/763527550811320321)

I should smurfing hope not. Maybe I'm not remembering my TOS well enough but I seem to recall a character during one of the romulan episodes mentioning that their grandfather fought in that war. Might be wrong though.

Anywho, cool to see it'll be a Lt. Commander in the big chair. Not unheard of if I'm not mistaken for people below Captain to command smaller naval vessels. Also, yay to not being subject to broadcast standards!

[sharkythesharkdogg]

Maybe I'm the confused one, but I thought it meant there would be a captain but that the show's perspective on events would mostly be from this Lt. Cmndr.

That's a pretty damn big ship to only have a Lt. Cmndr. I'm starting to think the ship was re-purposed into a warship, and may carry some smaller ships with it. Maybe she'll command one of those?

[Pike]

Thanks to less lazy people on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/4x53z6/new_information_about_star_trek_discovery), have a collection of news!

Star Trek News


Will be set in the Prime Universe. 10 years before Kirk's 5-year mission. Prequel Confirmed. (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763526155525697537)
Fuller says Star Trek: Discovery takes events mentioned in previous iterations of Trek but "never full explored" (https://twitter.com/gdanielholloway/status/763525460646998016)
Incident at the center of Star Trek: Discovery is not the Romulan War, Fuller says (https://twitter.com/gdanielholloway/status/763527550811320321)
Star Trek: Discovery to have Female lead (https://twitter.com/Variety/status/763517886501576704)
Female lead will be human, but not captain (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763527734769381377)
Lead will be a Lt. Commander "with caveats" (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763535548027764736)
The first season will be 13 episodes (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763522191929413634)
Fuller: “We’ll probably have a few more aliens than you normally do in a Star Trek cast” (https://twitter.com/gdanielholloway/status/763526629528178689)
"Absolutely we're having a gay character." - Bryan Fuller (https://twitter.com/EWagmeister/status/763527004259962880)
will be serialized but each weekly chapter will also feature closed-end stories (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763526339051655169)
"Discovery is set so close to the Kirk era that we can play with all the iconography of those ships and those uniforms.” (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763528193198268416)
Fuller: "We are not subject to broadcast standards & practices. Neither was Hannibal and we got away with murder." (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763529486449074180)
Spock's mother Amanda Grayson "maybe" will be featured in Discovery but will not be central. (https://twitter.com/gdanielholloway/status/763529465888579586)
Bryan Fuller on the lead not being a captain: "We’ve seen 6 series from a captain’s point of view" (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763530064189231104)
Series will center around an event referenced in TOS (https://twitter.com/soniasaraiya/status/763533343530987520)
One of the alien characters is named Saru (http://deadline.com/2016/08/star-trek-discovery-bryan-fuller-cbs-all-access-1201801698/)
There will be robots in Star Trek Discovery. You can also bend space and time (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763525908376399872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Sources tell THR the rest of the cast will also feature an openly gay actor to play one one of the male leads (which Fuller confirmed), a female admiral, a male Klingon captain, a male admiral, a male adviser and a British male doctor. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-trek-discovery-woman-captain-916866)

CBS All Access information


There will be ads. about 12 minutes per hour (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763523166803111938)
Head of CBS All Access: "It’s the lightest ad load you can get. We’re toying with the idea of a commercial free option." (https://twitter.com/debrabirnbaum/status/763523687802810369)


good word I am so stoked for this.

I mean I've been disappointed by new Treks before (hi Enterprise) but I dunno I have high hopes for this one.

KLINGON CAPTAIN I am hyped. I am ready.

[Slothy]

Maybe I'm the confused one, but I thought it meant there would be a captain but that the show's perspective on events would mostly be from this Lt. Cmndr.

That's a pretty damn big ship to only have a Lt. Cmndr. I'm starting to think the ship was re-purposed into a warship, and may carry some smaller ships with it. Maybe she'll command one of those?

You could be right. My brain jumped straight to something different. Though compared to the apparent size of the bridge I'd say the ship isn't that big. Smaller than a constitution class at least.

And I literally just rewatched enterprise pike and it wasn't as bad as I remembered. I actually managed to enjoy most of it. Still a better show than Voyager at least.

[Pike]

And I literally just rewatched enterprise pike and it wasn't as bad as I remembered. I actually managed to enjoy most of it. Still a better show than Voyager at least.

Haha that's fair. I have to admit I haven't watched Enterprise since it first aired and I was disappointed at the time, so maybe if I watch it again my opinion will improve.

[Pumpkin]

I am not liking Enterprise.

The Captain is a Mary Sue, and what's his name, Trip? His head is too big for his body.

Porthos is coo though

[sharkythesharkdogg]

Enterprise was a decent show. I thought so at the time, and re-watching it I feel the same way so far.

I think people at the time were just burned out on Star Trek. :shrug:

[Slothy]

And honestly, anything that followed TNG and DS9 that wasn't awesome was going to be viewed poorly. Didn't help that people had already suffered through Voyager only to get another trek that didn't live up to the best of them. It was still decent though.

[Pumpkin]

/likes Voyager



/Hates DS9

[Slothy]

You forgot /wrong. :p

[Pumpkin]

YOU WANNA FIGHT ME

[sharkythesharkdogg]

Maybe I'm the confused one, but I thought it meant there would be a captain but that the show's perspective on events would mostly be from this Lt. Cmndr.

That's a pretty damn big ship to only have a Lt. Cmndr. I'm starting to think the ship was re-purposed into a warship, and may carry some smaller ships with it. Maybe she'll command one of those?

You could be right. My brain jumped straight to something different. Though compared to the apparent size of the bridge I'd say the ship isn't that big. Smaller than a constitution class at least.


I dunno dude. They'll change the design I'm sure, but right now looking at them side by side that Discovery bridge compared to the saucer looks smaller than a constitution bridge to saucer to me. I think it's supposed to be a fairly big saucer, plus that ring around the bridge on the saucer. I'm curious about that. One bussard collector per nacelle as compared to three. I think it's supposed to be big ship. :shrug:

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/jac-constitution-class/jac-constitution-class-1.jpg

[Crop]

Pumped for the show. Honestly I wish it was set more during the TNG era, but I guess with the rebooted films being set during the original series, it makes sense they're keeping it around then. I definitely think there's going to be a captain, the fact that they said they want something different than the point of view of a captain makes me think they mean from a different point of view of the leader of a ship, which I think is long overdue!

Also genuinely confused about those saying Voyager is worse than Enterprise. Enerprise began to find its feet after two series (same with TNG and Voyager) but the first two series were the worst series of Star Trek I've ever seen. I think it was cancelled at the wrong time though, I would have loved to see another series.

Voyager was, in parts, a good show. I rank characters like Seven of Nine and The Doctor as among the best in the entire Star Trek Universe. Tuvok was great, the romance between Paris and B'Elanna was well done, and I'd say after the first two series it became an entertaining show. Granted, it came with the magic reset button, technobabble and Neelix, but at least it knew what it was dammit!

[sharkythesharkdogg]

I actually like ol' Neelix. He's a bro.

I was fine with Kes, but I also think they got rid of her at a good time. If they'd kept going with her Mary Sue character it would have gotten a little old.

I wish they had done more with Ensign Vorik. It would be interesting to have a show with more than one "alien race" character of the same race so we can see different personality types of different species. I'd like to see some Bolian main characters.

[charliepanayi]

Bryan Fuller has stepped down as showrunner :(

Akiva Goldsman to join as a supporting producer :( :(

[Slothy]

Bryan Fuller gone? This does not bode well.

Edit: Still an executive producer so nerves a bit less shot now.

[charliepanayi]

Executive producer doesn't usually mean much on a show though I find. Feels like a nominal position to hide the fact he's not showrunner any more.

[charliepanayi]

They've cast the lead. It's meant to air in May now.

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/tv/star-trek-discovery/37600/star-trek-discovery-sonequa-martin-green-nabs-lead-role

[Freya]

Oh wow, i'm surprised. I'm very excited to have a woman as the lead and her be of color. Plus I like her acting in TWD so this should be good!

[Freya]

Look at this bullshit redesign that's out of context but got leaked

https://i.imgur.com/NPKS5yg.jpg

[Slothy]

If that's what klingons look like then that is absolutely not what klingons look like.

[Formalhaut]

I've not even seen Star Trek and I know they don't look like Klingons.

[Slothy]

I've not even seen Star Trek

It's like I don't even know you.

[Formalhaut]

I get that alot.

[Cell]

They look more like something from Species than Klingons.

[charliepanayi]

http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/jason-isaacs-star-trek-discovery-cbs-all-access-1202003216/

[Freya]

Wait, Spocks dad is in this!?

[sharkythesharkdogg]

Yeah, hopefully this is all just bad rumors with no substance, but I'm not hopeful. I'm hoping those are the new aliens that Michelle Yeoh is supposed to be part of, and that's just a trolling comment. Still,

Trying to bridge different timelines? Trying to make it the most high-tech looking Star Trek to date? Axing Fuller? This is sounding like a big Star Wars ep. 1-2-3 style mess.

:barf:

[Freya]

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[Night Fury]

Looks fantastic - I will definitely watch this! Will bridge the gap for Stranger Things 2 for sure.

ALso, Michelle Yeoh just does not age. She looks fantastic.

[Jinx]

It looks so good! More like a movie than a show!

[Freya]

I think star trek in the older sense of a lot of talking and what not will be of the past. That's not a bad thing though. A lot of the stuff was because graphically they couldn't so any cool sci-fi stuff. You only got really neat sci-fi stuff in the movie versions due to budgets. But now the tech is here for tv too. It shows in this trailer.

I like the slow talking and stuff. But going from painted green ladies and yorkies in a suit to zero gravity floating with a laser field? It works.

This also looks like there is more of an overarching storyline. Not just a monster/alien of the week. Type thing. Which is why I enjoy BSG so much over ST.

Also also. MUDD! He's in there! Winder what they'll have him doing.

[sharkythesharkdogg]

I'm probably in the minority about it, but I don't want it to be too action packed. I know show trailers try to ramp up the action to get attention, so I'm waiting to see what it's actually like.

DS9 is my second favorite series because of how they had better character development than TNS, and I appreciated the action, but putting DS9 on a contested border and basically at war for season after season started to give me battle fatigue. I appreciated the episodes that focused on weird space phenomena and personal interactions more because of that.

I'm fine with the idea of a larger, over-arching story over the traditional episodic format. That could be a nice change.

The Klingons still look really dumb. They looked dumb in the reboot movies, and they look dumb now. Considering how it looks like they're playing a pretty important role in the show, that sucks. Plus, I'd prefer the show follow the canon of the TV series vs. the reboot movies. :shrug:

I'm definitely going to check it out, but I'm more wait-and-see than truly excited right now.

I am happy that Michelle Yeoh looks like a Star Fleet Captain. She still seems like a good choice.

[Freya]

Ehh. To be fair. The only reason the klingons looked the way they had before was due to constrains in tech to make them look different and more alien like. IN my rewatch of all the series, I have had the complaint that every alien race LOOKS human. While I was okay with TNG version of klingons more so with their nifty ridges, I'm not completely against the redesign for the previous mentioned reason.

[sharkythesharkdogg]

Look at this bulltrout redesign that's out of context but got leaked

https://i.imgur.com/NPKS5yg.jpg


Ehh. To be fair. The only reason the klingons looked the way they had before was due to constrains in tech to make them look different and more alien like. IN my rewatch of all the series, I have had the complaint that every alien race LOOKS human. While I was okay with TNG version of klingons more so with their nifty ridges, I'm not completely against the redesign for the previous mentioned reason.

Someone's rather strong opinion sure did change. :p

They're free to do what they want, but I liked the TNG redesign of the Klingons. I like how they retconned it to fit with the TOS. This new design still has them looking very humanoid, so it's done nothing to address that issue in my opinion. Plus they haven't felt the need to redesign any other major races like the Vulcans. They probably already specified it somewhere and I missed it, but it's looking more and more like this Star Trek will take place in the new timeline universe created by the new movies and.....eh. The first one was decent, but the other two were less my thing.

They could probably get away with it for one of the less important aliens, like Bolians, Tholians, Horta or something, but Klingons are a big part of Star Trek and most people seem to like their TNG-and-on design. Hopefully the rest of the show is still good. It's not make-or-break for me, just disappointing.

[Freya]

Yeah, cause I've re-evaluated my feelings on it. I looked at it again after my initial shock wore off. That happens when presented with new perspectives and information :monster:


And no, it does takes place in the Prime Universe, so the original one. 10 yrs prior to TOS. So it's not the Movie Timeline, but the original one.

What i've been learning is people tend to favor the designs and layout of the show with whichever one they were first introduced to. So if you were watching TNG first, that's what you're used to.

[sharkythesharkdogg]

Actually I saw TOS reruns first, and little me was surprised when the redesign happened in the TOS movie I saw.

By the time I saw TNG I was used to it. Everyone refers to it as the TNG redesign, because I guess that's what they're used to, so I just follow along. :shrug:

It's interesting that it takes place in the prime timeline. To me, since the redesign simply looks different without looking any more or less humanoid, it's even more of an odd choice. I will be interested to see what other cultural changes they might make to the Klingons. Since they're probably my favorite race in the series, I'm sure I'll meet any changes with a critical eye. It is what it is.

[Freya]

Maybe it's like a soft reboot of the Original universe? kinda? Idk.

[Shaymin]

I hate the trailer. I hate the filters. I hate the apparent contempt on what has come before.

Even with all that Id probably still give it a watch but theyve hidden it behind a paywall and Im not paying a streaming service for one show. Especially one I probably wont like.

[charliepanayi]

Anyone watch the first two episodes?

[Fox]

Unfortunately, yes.

I tried my best to like it, but I only have one positive thing to say about it: the music was pretty good. I'm no 'hardcore trekkie' by any means. I like my Star Trek, but I don't think it should be this or should be that. TNG and DS9 were very different - I liked 'em both. I like First Contact, and I also quite like the 2009 reboot. Enterprise is certainly not great in my eyes but nor do I hate it by any means.

Discovery, so far, for me... is just trash. There's no other word for it.

[Freya]

Hmm That's different, i've heard fairly positive things so far.

I'm debating on paying for stupid CBS All Access just to watch it or not. I really don't wanna though but i'm hella lazy on "acquiring" anything anymore.

Where's slothy, he's watched it!

[charliepanayi]

Really glad it's on Netflix over here!

[Slothy]

I thought it was fantastic. True to the original stuffs soul, and taking it into some places we haven't seen Star Trek go before (no pun intended). Good actors, interesting intro to the status quo in the galaxy at the moment and where it's headed. I can't wait to see where this goes. And I'd like to think I'm not just giving it a lot of leeway because of nostalgia. I hate the last two series they did before this so I was trying to keep my expectations kind of low.

[Fox]

True to the original stuffs soul

Do you have any non-spoilery examples? Because this is the bit I struggled with the most; I didn't feel any of the original Star Trek in there at all.

[charliepanayi]

True to the original stuffs soul

Do you have any non-spoilery examples? Because this is the bit I struggled with the most; I didn't feel any of the original Star Trek in there at all.

Was there a lack of the lead actor...speaking...in....pauses...

[Fox]

True to the original stuffs soul

Do you have any non-spoilery examples? Because this is the bit I struggled with the most; I didn't feel any of the original Star Trek in there at all.

Was there a lack of the lead actor...speaking...in....pauses...

Actually that was one thing they did have... only from the Klingons instead of the Captain

[Raistlin]

Overall, I'd probably give it a 7/10 so far, which maintains my pre-viewing rating of "cautiously optimistic." Nothing amazing, but also didn't completely turn me off.


Things I liked:

-The Commander/main character
-The new resident science officer/only sane person on board
-That the story started with a classic Trek trope: the SO saying "don't do anything stupid" and the human saying "I want to go out and look at something cool!"
-The overall plot seems interesting

Things I didn't like:

-The original captain. Who's at least gone now.
-That all the uniforms are the same color
-The over-the-top attempts to make the show appear cinematic (e.g., the camera fixed at close-up range to everyone)
-some of the forced plot points surrounding the "mutiny" and final fight with the Klingons

[Night Fury]

I watched the first episode but haven't gotten around to the second. Have to admit it didn't captivate me much into wanting to immediately watch the second. I'm sure I will at some point but for now... Probably not.

[sharkythesharkdogg]

Since it's locked into a pretty limited streaming service, I doubt I'll be seeing it anytime soon.

[Fox]

PREVIOUSLY, ON FOX WATCHES STAR TREK DISCOVERY:


Discovery, so far, for me... is just trash. There's no other word for it.

AND NOW THE CONTINUATION...

So... this was much better. To be non-spoilery about it, the dialogue was much more natural, the cinematography wasn't anywhere near as nauseating, there are some fairly interesting (and well performed) characters that I don't despise by any means. It's still tries to be too serious too much of the time; it took well over 10 minutes before we got our first unambiguous smile. And it still wasn't as thoughtful as I'd expect Trek to be, instead still leaning too heavily on the BSG playbook.

But it was perfectly watchable. Decent, even. Enough so that I'll probably watch it next week as well.

[Example]

Just watched the first episode last night. Wasn't half bad. The writers for Discovery certainly have a far better understanding of the basic themes and concepts of Trek than the Abrams movies, which honestly isn't saying much.

I'm almost finished with TNG, which I'll remind everyone had an awful first season, so maybe we shouldn't jump the gun and write this new show off as trash before we've seen its true potential.

[charliepanayi]

I never quite understand what the 'basic themes and concepts' of Star Trek are. Did Voyager and Enterprise and all the Next Generation films bar one get them right? Because those all sucked.

First three episodes of this have been decent. Jason Issacs seems especially interesting.

[Fox]

Just watched the first episode last night. Wasn't half bad. The writers for Discovery certainly have a far better understanding of the basic themes and concepts of Trek than the Abrams movies, which honestly isn't saying much.

I'm almost finished with TNG, which I'll remind everyone had an awful first season, so maybe we shouldn't jump the gun and write this new show off as trash before we've seen its true potential.

I don't think it's jumping the gun. You can only judge what's been shown, not on what it might hopefully be one day.

[Example]

I never quite understand what the 'basic themes and concepts' of Star Trek are. Did Voyager and Enterprise and all the Next Generation films bar one get them right? Because those all sucked.

First three episodes of this have been decent. Jason Issacs seems especially interesting.

The little things like everything the Federation stood for. Because there were few times in either the original or next gen series where Starfleet solved all their problems by going in guns blazing. Also it doesn't help that the director outright admitted he never "got" Star Trek.

And while I haven't seen Voyager and Enterprise I assume they're hated because of their poor quality. The same reasons why the stinkers of their much-vaunted predecessor series are also hated.



Just watched the first episode last night. Wasn't half bad. The writers for Discovery certainly have a far better understanding of the basic themes and concepts of Trek than the Abrams movies, which honestly isn't saying much.

I'm almost finished with TNG, which I'll remind everyone had an awful first season, so maybe we shouldn't jump the gun and write this new show off as trash before we've seen its true potential.

I don't think it's jumping the gun. You can only judge what's been shown, not on what it might hopefully be one day.

Fair point.

[Vincent, Thunder God]

I thought that the first two episodes had potential but the 2nd two have been disappointing for me. It often seems to be the case that the plot tends to be less cohesive when a show or movie runs through a bunch of different writers - things tend to get muddled - like the inconsistency of Saru's interactions with Michael, his attitude towards Lorca etc . I really liked the character beats with Sarek and Michael in the first two episodes but the writing has become too trite and predictable for me now that the show has shifted to the new ship . I can see why Fuller left - he probably disagreed with notes from the studio execs. As a result the inconsistency of writing has hurt the show IMO.

[Vincent, Thunder God]

Did anyone else catch the reference to Mudd's Women from the original series?