(Spoilers in topic) Game of Thrones season 7 predictions

[FFNut]

Hey everyone, what are your predictions on season 7 of Game of Thrones.

Here is is what I think may happen.

1. Jamie will Kill the Mad Queen Cersi. She has taken power and has nothing left to lose and isn't above blowing up Kings Landing to keep it. I think Jamie will be the one to end her.

2. Jon will find out about his lineage from going into the Winterfell Crypt. The books hit on this more then the show but I think it is where he will learn of who his parents really are.

3. The wall will fall. The wall will clapse and I think it is because of this. There must always be a Stark in Winterfell. Jon Snow though his mother is a Stark he isn't. Since he was named king of the North in Winterfell he has undone the magic that holds the dead from crossing the wall, (combined with Bran crossing again too) and it will come down in a fantastic show of Ice.

4. See Jorah will be named the Prince that was promised and look for a way to kill the White Walkers. Yes I think it will be Jorah. I also think he will kill Dani in season 8 in order to forge the blade needed to beat them.

Those are a few of my thoughts. Would love to hear what others think. Also feel free to disprove me on these as other may have more insite then I do on things.

[SammieBabe]

I'm on board with Jaime killing Cersei. I've felt that would happen since I finished "A Dance with Dragons" and seen how their relationship has deteriorated in the books.

Jon will find out his parentage, but I'm not sure how yet.

Jorah can't be the Prince that was Promised. The prophecy says that it is a Targaryen by birth. I think it's Jon, but may be some union of Jon and Daenerys.

[Freya]

Wall coming down. I called it last season. I want to see it soooo badly.

[Bubba]

Daenerys conquers Westeros... the Westeros music scene!

She has phenomenal success with hits such as

- Burning Down the House
- Puff the Magic Dragon
- We Didn't Start the Fire (I did)
- Khal Me Maybe
- Goin' Drogo Down in Acapulgo

[FFNut]

I'm on board with Jaime killing Cersei. I've felt that would happen since I finished "A Dance with Dragons" and seen how their relationship has deteriorated in the books.

Jon will find out his parentage, but I'm not sure how yet.

Jorah can't be the Prince that was Promised. The prophecy says that it is a Targaryen by birth. I think it's Jon, but may be some union of Jon and Daenerys.


It actually doesn't say that it will be a Targaryen. It says has the blood of the Dragon. Which is I think him killing Danni. He fits every other part of the prophecy also.

Look at G.R.RM on how he writes. He goes out of his way to make the predictable tossed aside. He likes the unlikely hero, and Jorah would be unexpected and he fits all but the has the blood of the Dragon so far. He is acually a better fit than Jon Snow at the moment.

[SammieBabe]

I'm on board with Jaime killing Cersei. I've felt that would happen since I finished "A Dance with Dragons" and seen how their relationship has deteriorated in the books.

Jon will find out his parentage, but I'm not sure how yet.

Jorah can't be the Prince that was Promised. The prophecy says that it is a Targaryen by birth. I think it's Jon, but may be some union of Jon and Daenerys.


It actually doesn't say that it will be a Targaryen. It says has the blood of the Dragon. Which is I think him killing Danni. He fits every other part of the prophecy also.

Look at G.R.RM on how he writes. He goes out of his way to make the predictable tossed aside. He likes the unlikely hero, and Jorah would be unexpected and he fits all but the has the blood of the Dragon so far. He is acually a better fit than Jon Snow at the moment.

Except that a woods witch told Dany's grandfather that the Prince would be born from the line of Aerys and Rhaella. Which Jorah is certainly not. Also, Jorah would have to been born under a bleeding star. Honestly, I think it's more likely to be Tyrion than Jorah.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/The_prince_that_was_promised

[Freya]

Arthur Dayne, the guy Young Ned fought at the Tower of Joy had the Sword "Dawn". Dawn was created from a fallen star. Their emblem is that.

http://www.asoiaf-theories.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/bleeding-star.png

Bleeding star, Jon was born under it.

Theory basically confirmed.

[FFNut]

I'm on board with Jaime killing Cersei. I've felt that would happen since I finished "A Dance with Dragons" and seen how their relationship has deteriorated in the books.

Jon will find out his parentage, but I'm not sure how yet.

Jorah can't be the Prince that was Promised. The prophecy says that it is a Targaryen by birth. I think it's Jon, but may be some union of Jon and Daenerys.


It actually doesn't say that it will be a Targaryen. It says has the blood of the Dragon. Which is I think him killing Danni. He fits every other part of the prophecy also.

Look at G.R.RM on how he writes. He goes out of his way to make the predictable tossed aside. He likes the unlikely hero, and Jorah would be unexpected and he fits all but the has the blood of the Dragon so far. He is acually a better fit than Jon Snow at the moment.

Except that a woods witch told Dany's grandfather that the Prince would be born from the line of Aerys and Rhaella. Which Jorah is certainly not. Also, Jorah would have to been born under a bleeding star. Honestly, I think it's more likely to be Tyrion than Jorah.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/The_prince_that_was_promised

I just read through this about 5 times and really it doesn't hold up to say yes it's a Targaryen that will be the Prince that was promised. It mentions that he visited a woods witch, and left believing it would be from his line. However we aren't told exactly what the wood witch said, which leave us up to what Barriston tells tells Danni.

With Jorah the born under the bleeding star I took as a rebirth. It was under the Commet in the sky when Danni walks out of the Flames with her Dragons he gives up his spying on her and his pardon and gives himself a rebirth under the Commet thus born under a bleeding star.

[SammieBabe]

Arthur Dayne, the guy Young Ned fought at the Tower of Joy had the Sword "Dawn". Dawn was created from a fallen star. Their emblem is that.

http://www.asoiaf-theories.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/bleeding-star.png

Bleeding star, Jon was born under it.

Theory basically confirmed.

This.
Some people theorize that Dany's "rebirth" happened under a red comet, hence why she could the the Prince. Hence why I think there's a possibility of it being them in some kind of union. However, I tend to lean more towards Jon on his own.

Then we can agree to disagree on this one, FFNut. :)
Knowing GRRM though, we're probably all completely wrong. :P

[FFNut]

Arthur Dayne, the guy Young Ned fought at the Tower of Joy had the Sword "Dawn". Dawn was created from a fallen star. Their emblem is that.

http://www.asoiaf-theories.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/bleeding-star.png

Bleeding star, Jon was born under it.

Theory basically confirmed.


The he issue I have with this is the sword was placed after his birth. He was born in the tower while the sword was outside it on the ground level.

[FFNut]

Arthur Dayne, the guy Young Ned fought at the Tower of Joy had the Sword "Dawn". Dawn was created from a fallen star. Their emblem is that.

http://www.asoiaf-theories.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/bleeding-star.png

Bleeding star, Jon was born under it.

Theory basically confirmed.

This.
Some people theorize that Dany's "rebirth" happened under a red comet, hence why she could the the Prince. Hence why I think there's a possibility of it being them in some kind of union. However, I tend to lean more towards Jon on his own.

Then we can agree to disagree on this one, FFNut. :)
Knowing GRRM though, we're probably all completely wrong. :P


Knowing him is why I looked away from anyone with Targaryen blood lol. I understand mine is a massive tinfoil hat however.

[Freya]

He was under the protection of Dawn via Arthur Dayne. When fighting, it was bloodied. When she screams and ned hears it, she's giving birth. He's running up the stairs with it.

Still "under" the protection of the "bleeding" "star".

[SammieBabe]

Hey, I'm the one who thinks Tyrion is actually a Targaryen, so I have my out there theories too. ;)

[FFNut]

Honestly it easily could be Tyrion too. The only thing I can't place to him is the bleeding star as he had a rebirth of sorts over the smoking sea in old Valeria. Plus Johana Lanister it is known had some relations with the mad king and... Well he very well could be a Targaryen too which I think he indeed is.

[Freya]

Ah nah that's a pretty strong one too.

Aerys pissed off Twyin a lot with him hitting on Joanna (Tyrions mom) and joked that he took her virginity and would take her again. And Tywin hates Tyrion. In the books he looks different than Cersei and Jamie, has multi colored eyes and what not. So that's a prominent fan theory.

[FFNut]

Martin loves the Targaryen's too. It shows in how he describes them. It could very well be Danni, Tyrion, and Jon as the three heads of the Dragon.

[SammieBabe]

The Tourney at Harrenhal was sometime before Tyrion's birth too, hence why I think that. Everyone else I've said that to thinks I'm out to lunch.
Thanks guys! :D

[FFNut]

No he can easily be a Targaryen. The show even referenced that in when he released the dragons in Mareen they didn't rip him in two and make him the quarter man. I honestly think we need another Targaryen around to make all the prophecies about them come true, and he would be one of the only ones to match that.

[Jinx]

Tyrion as a Targaryen is a pretty well accepted theory. Not everyone is on board, but I'd say half the reader base is.

Jon is confirmed Targ.

Dany is a Targ.

THE THREE HEADED DRAGON Y'ALL

[FFNut]

Like I said they need a third and he does fit in nicely. As a long shot thery of the third Targaryen I'd say Varris, but it is a giant long shot there. Not sure how he would fit though as his past is very mysterious to us. However Tyrion will find out about his true lineage this season if it is true. It would also mean he would have a higher claim to the throne than Danni too, but under Jon.

[Psychotic]

If Tyrion is a Targaryen then I don't like it. Oh look, another character is secretly a Targaryen!!! What a twist!!! It removes all the impact of Jon's own reveal. It also vindicates Tywin's behaviour towards him which devalues that story arc altogether.

I also think people who subscribe to the theory are wilfully blind to the repeated theme that Tyrion is Tywin 2.0.

[FFNut]

The issue is there has to be a third Targaryen someplace though. It takes 3 for them always it has been hammered home nonstop though the books, the Lore, and in the show. There has to be a 3rd.

Also G.R.R.Martin has said the ending is bitter sweet for people. Most would have it with Danni Dieing. Jon as King of a Separate North, and Tyrion remoulding the the age taking Westeros out of the Feudal Age and start the beginning of Democracy. Many people have him in hopes of winning the great game.

[Freya]

In other news, I saw this posted recently but i'd like to bring it up here:

How is Tyrion going to handle Ellaria having his niece killed? I thought he was close to Marcella and Tommen. Now he has to ally with the martells, this could get messy.

[FFNut]

I was wondering the same thing myself. I am guessing he doesn't know yet. or it also could be Ellaria tries to kill him to as the cause of the fight in the first place.

Edit to add a thought: what about him allied with the Tyrell's were the cause of Joffery's death as they killed the king and let him take a fall while pointing a finger?

[Freya]

I mean it was his fault Oberyn was his champion. So she probably hates him too.

Wait.

How will they deal with the news that Olenna was the one who killed joffery and the blame was on tyrion which caused Oberyn to be the champion which ended in his death? Unless Olenna just doesn't say anything but that would be really awkward.

[Jinx]

If Tyrion is a Targaryen then I don't like it. Oh look, another character is secretly a Targaryen!!! What a twist!!! It removes all the impact of Jon's own reveal. It also vindicates Tywin's behaviour towards him which devalues that story arc altogether.

I also think people who subscribe to the theory are wilfully blind to the repeated theme that Tyrion is Tywin 2.0.

If Tyrion IS a Targ, I think a lot of that theme is that Tywin both hated and admired him BECAUSE he was so like him. The only child who truly resembles him isn't his child at all.

[Slothy]

It also vindicates Tywin's behaviour towards him which devalues that story arc altogether.

Nothing could ever vindicate his treatment of Tyrion, particularly considering if he is a Targaryen then the way he was treated by Tywin is basically the polar opposite of how Ned treated Jon.

And Tyrion is Tywin 2.0? I'm not seeing it. He may have his political savvy and intelligence (for the most part though he may actually be better at all of that than Tywin), but he's got a conscience. Quite a well calibrated moral compass in fact all things considered. He's set out to be nothing like Tywin in that regard because he sees through all the self centered bullshit and political games and he wants something better for the people and from their leaders. Sure Tyrion is like him in some ways, but there are differences there that are extremely important to showing how he is, in almost every way that matters, nothing like Tywin. It's possibly one of the most important aspects of his character.

[FFNut]

I agree with Vivi. Tywin is very brutal with people. Everyone is below him in his opinion. Also his quote a Lion doesn't concern himself with the sheep shows he never stepped out of his high and mighty comfort zone.

Tyrion however is also a hand of the king like Tywin but walks among the people, talks to them and wants to do right by them.

[Psychotic]

And Tyrion is Tywin 2.0? I'm not seeing it. He may have his political savvy and intelligence (for the most part though he may actually be better at all of that than Tywin), but he's got a conscience. Quite a well calibrated moral compass in fact all things considered. He's set out to be nothing like Tywin in that regard because he sees through all the self centered bulltrout and political games and he wants something better for the people and from their leaders. Sure Tyrion is like him in some ways, but there are differences there that are extremely important to showing how he is, in almost every way that matters, nothing like Tywin. It's possibly one of the most important aspects of his character.I think your Tyrion views would be accurate for A Clash of Kings/Season 2 but he's changed quite drastically. Re-read his chapters in ADWD and you'll see what I mean.


The whole of Tyrion's arc as Hand has him trying to do as you've described - trying to achieve the best outcomes while trying to remain a good person. He compares himself to his father repeatedly and mirrors his acts, both overtly and unintentionally. GRRM does love a good foreshadow. One of my favourite parts is when Tyrion is asking his father what on earth he was doing employing people like Gregor Clegane and Armory Lorch, and Tywin simply responds that this sort of brutality is needed and he thought Tyrion knew this as he has Bronn and the Clansmen. The Clansmen, incidentally, are currently wrecking the Vale's smallfolk armed with the steel Tyrion gave them because he was annoyed at Lysa Arryn for capturing him.

Tyrion learns the valuable lesson that you have to follow through on your threats and where before he showed mercy, starts to have people killed. The threats idea reaches a head with his father when he threatens to kill him if he says whore again, and so he does.

"You... you are no... no son of mine."

"Now that’s where you’re wrong, Father. Why, I believe I'm you writ small."This is where the change happens. Indeed, it's a lovely rebuttal to the Tyrion = Targ theory too :p

One of the best characteristics of Tyrion is his unrelenting love of the underdog. Cripples, bastards, and broken things. And whores. Tysha and Shae are the obvious ones, but he gets really fired up when injustice happens to Alayaya and to the mother of one of Robert's bastards who ends up killed on Cersei's orders and does his best to seek justice.

After he kills his father his attitude towards them seems to mirror him. I overlooked this stuff the first time I read it because I'm a Tyrion fanboy and fair smurfing play to Martin for making me like a character so much I wrote it off, but he actually does some really vile things to the whores he encounters from then on. The first one I'll just quote the wiki summary:
she asks Tyrion if he wants her after he has eaten with Illyrio. He tells he no but he thinks the girl takes that disappointment too well for his liking, this angers him and he changes his mind and tells her to wait for him in bed naked and to keep her mouth shut and her thighs open. He gives her a leer, hoping for a taste of fear, but all she gives him is revulsion. Tyrion threatens to strangle her and then he gets the fear he wants. The second one he meets in Volantis is completely horrible. I just did a search looking for the quotes and found an analysis of it that says it better than I could. Link - it's NSFW and pretty grim reading. (http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/119561-tyrion-undeniably-raped-the-sunset-girl/) The moral compass you mentioned Vivi? It just got smashed.

He also becomes obsessed and motivated by revenge at this point, much like his father and the Casterlys. He indeed makes it his stated aim to rape and kill Cersei. Who else do we know uses rape and murder as weapons of revenge? Hint: Ask Elia Martell.

The big one is his relationship with Penny and I don't think there's enough time to fully go into it, but she obviously represents good and innocence and Tyrion wrestles with a combination of revulsion and pity for her. He's had both dreams and thoughts where he kills her and at some point I think that's what's going to happen, signifying his abandonment of good.

As for what the future holds, well, here's a nice quote for what we can expect.
The fact that there were any good wells at all within a day’s march of the city only went to prove that Daenerys Targaryen was still an innocent where siegecraft was concerned. She should have poisoned every well. Then all the Yunkishmen would be drinking from the river. See how long their siege lasts then. That was what his lord father would have done, Tyrion did not doubt. His empathy is long gone and Dany is going to get herself some Tywinesque advice.

I'll finish this off with Tywin's sister, Genna, expressing her fears to Jaime after Tywin's death.

She gave a sigh. “Who will protect us now?”
Jaime kissed her cheek. “He left a son.”
“Aye, he did. That is what I fear the most, in truth.”
That was a queer remark. “Why should you fear?”
[…] “Tyrion is Tywin’s son, not you.”Wouldn't it be a nice little twist? The Lannister brother we see as evil becoming good and the Lannister brother we see as good becoming evil.

[Del Murder]

Making Tyrion a Targaryen would be boring. I'd rather see him as the rightful lord of Casterly Rock after all this is done (I don't see Jamie or Cersei surviving to the end).

My hope for season 7 is that we don't see scenes of Dany crossing the ocean over the course of four episodes. Or she doesn't stop somewhere and then have some misadventure. Get your ass to Westeros and quickly.

Jamie may not kill his sister but he will definitely betray her. Poor Jamie.

The Wall coming down would be cool to see but what does that even mean? The thing is huge, how could it 'come down'? Yeah the walkers will get through but what happens to all the rock and ice that makes up that wall?

My final hope is that we don't have some stupid drama between Jon and Sansa because that's way too predictable. Hopefully there's something else to keep them busy.