EoFF Mafia XXVIII Discussion Thread

[Karifean]

EoFF Mafia XXVIII - Banquet of the Voyager Witches

Discussion of the game goes here. Feel free to discuss how insanely convoluted and silly my game actually is.

[Fynn]

WHAT THE FRICK FRACK THIS GAME IS ALREADY NUTS!

[FFNut]

Ok I am already over pumped for this.

[Quindiana Jones]

AM I DEAD YET

[Pumpkin]

I picked a heck of a game to start with

[FFNut]

You will do well Pumkin.

[Mr. Carnelian]

This one's going to be a bit of a headscratcher. :p So much new terminology...

[Formalhaut]

Well this is different!

Can't wait to get my role PM and see what the smurf I'm doing.

[FFNut]

Well this is different!

Can't wait to get my role PM and see what the smurf I'm doing.

Me too, I am ready to do a great ol' fashioned 1600's witch hunt!

[Scruffington]

Yeah, tons of new info...but I think I have it all down. Looking forward to the start!

[Karifean]

Game Start!

[Mr. Carnelian]

Just before bedtime? Inconvenient timing, much? :p

[Karifean]

Figured I might as well let things take off before I go to sleep and make everyone wait an extra 10 hours.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Fair enough. :)

[Karifean]

I decided against using Mafia accounts since I already had the element of secret identities in the game. So I'd either have to shuffle the abilities among the characters (which feels like a crime to these characters) or give player accounts different identities than the ones you have in the game, which would just be... wut?

[Karifean]

This game got started a lot faster than I expected. I'm loving it :jess:

I'll be going to sleep in about a half hour. Hope that won't inconvenience you guys too much.

[Pumpkin]

You aren't allowed to sleep

LOOK GUYS I'M MAFIAING!

[Formalhaut]

You aren't allowed to sleep

LOOK GUYS I'M MAFIAING!

With no hands!

[Mr. Carnelian]

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[Karifean]

This is the most Karifean-sounding rule ever.

Wow what a cheeky one you are =P

Edit: Also, clearly someone needs to read Higurashi :jess:

[Mr. Carnelian]

Pains me to say this, guys, but I think I have to go to sleep now. Try to not to have too much fun without me!

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

OMFG I NEED TO CATCH UP!

[Formalhaut]

I'm confused, happy, and confused.

This is a great game but I can't even fully explain my own purple statement in a way that makes sense.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I think Karifean just wants to mess with us all.

##vote: Karifean.

[Fynn]

8 pages. 8 pages



You guys are dicks

[Psychotic]

Wtf do you really use 15 posts per page?

[Fynn]

The forums are dead, Paul. There's usually no need for more posts per page at all

[Psychotic]

I like jazz apples so I have 30 posts per page.

[Scruffington]

I like jazz apples so I have 30 posts per page.

Only 30? I use 100 posts per page. :P

[Psychotic]

Indeed. 30 was the default when I signed up for this good old website nearly 15(!) years ago and I've never seen fit to change it. I have no idea what the default is now. In my day we didn't even have quick reply!

[Mr. Carnelian]

I think Karifean just wants to mess with us all.

##vote: Karifean.

Agreed. Let's depose Karifean and form a new EoFF Republic! REVOLUTION!!!

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[Psychotic]

I, too, feel that I should have ultimate power over Eyes on Final Fantasy.

[FFNut]

vote vote: Loony_Bob

[FFNut]

We can overthrow this regen.

[Psychotic]

Let's overthrow Esuna first.

[Mr. Carnelian]

I'll say this right now: I'll be incommunicado until at least 1830 tomorrow night, so there's no point asking me questions in mafia until at least then. I'm saying this to avoid "oh, he hasn't responded to X accusation, he must be a witch". :p

[FFNut]

Great twists so far in this one. It is keeping everyone on their toes I think.

[Fynn]

Tell me about it! Only a couple hours left to vote and I still have no clue as to who to nominate. And I still think we should nominate someone, even if we can learn more overnight, since apparently there's a ton of roles that can screw us over even if they're not a Witch.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

So blood thirsty Flynn.

[Fynn]

Oh you :p

[Pumpkin]

What's the voting format again?

Sorry, I'm pretty newb

[Fynn]

##vote: [username]

[Pumpkin]

Thanky thanky!

[Psychotic]

Has anybody put all the Purple Truths in once post for easy reference?

[FFNut]

Carny has, he said he will keep it updated but said he will be off until a certain time so he will probably put that back up after he is back.

[Formalhaut]

I can do so when I get back from running errands!

Or maybe Karifean can edit his OP. Either way, it is a good idea to collate them all.

[Fynn]

That would be cool wouldn't it

[FFNut]

It is a good idea for easy reference for us.

[Psychotic]

I feel like I've walked into a movie fifteen minutes late and y'all are talking about The Pained and The Cynic and other members from the Cobra Unit and I'm sitting here like "Whaaaa?"

[Formalhaut]

They sound like Metal Gear Solid bosses, to be honest.

[Formalhaut]

Aaaaand done. Hope it helps. You can use the forum search tools to input ##PS and find the list immediately, no matter how far along the thread is by that point.

[Fynn]

Guys, quick reminder that you shouldn't use moogle hugs in mafia. Staff can see them so that's some potential for shady stuff

[Formalhaut]

I'm pretty sure it was Psy who moogle hugged me :p

[Psychotic]

Mwahaha, I'm going to moogle hug everyone and nobody can modkill me as I'm not playing! :mwahaha:

But in all seriousness what I said was this: presentation is stylin' too, gj dude

[Pumpkin]

I feel like I'm not too good at the mafing but I'm having fun anyway!

[Formalhaut]

One thing you'll learn quickly Pumpkin is that no-one is really good at Mafia. You just get a teeny bit better or worse each time.

[Fynn]

That's actually just a thing we tell Formy so he doesn't feel too bad ;)

[FFNut]

Ya my first Mafia game I was horrible, now I learned what not to do and am better but not great.

[Formalhaut]

I've nothing to lose at this point :p

I'm playing much more openly this game because I've already lost twice in a row so might as well switch it up a bit.

The cruel part of that is that I went missing both times. I wasn't even killed off early. No, I had to endure the misery of dwindling numbers until the Mafia won.

[Karifean]

Btw anybody know anything about Quin's situation? ^^;

[Fynn]

Yeah, look at FFNut. Living example that you just need to GIT GUD

[Pumpkin]

Psy is good at the mafing. He's not even playing and he probably already has it all solved.

I'm on to you, Paul

##vote: Psychotic

[Fynn]

[in all seriousness, though, mafia is super fun no matter how you play and this game is really something else and it's so great you're enjoying yourself pumpkin!!!]

[Fynn]

Psy's actually the witch

Now that'd be a Karifean twist if I've ever seen one!

[Pumpkin]

Btw anybody know anything about Quin's situation? ^^;

The witch(es) probably killed him

[Fynn]

Btw anybody know anything about Quin's situation? ^^;

The witch(es) probably killed him

Oh Pumpkin. How cynical if you

##vote: Pumpkin

[Formalhaut]

Yeah, not sure about Quin. I mean, he took part in my game. He was one of the quieter ones, but still around enough to be deemed active.

[Psychotic]

Quin is my second account. He's not a real person.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Quin is my second account. He's not a real person.

I swear you've said that about several different accounts over the years.

[Formalhaut]

Over the years?

Spoken like a true old-timer, Mr. Carny.

[Mr. Carnelian]

Vis a vis Quin... Karifean, you'd tell us if Quin had pre-informed you that he wouldn't be able to play in the first day, right?

[Karifean]

Vis a vis Quin... Karifean, you'd tell us if Quin had pre-informed you that he wouldn't be able to play in the first day, right?

I would, yeah. He has not.

[Karifean]

Somehow we got to 335 posts on Day 1. I don't know if Quin's coming back, but if he is, I almost feel sorry for him.

[FFNut]

Holy smurfing trout that was intense for day one.

[Formalhaut]

I know right? I have to say, I rescind what I said on the Dissidia game. A lot happens on the first day.

[FFNut]

The Karafean twists have flipped it upside down and backwards. Great job creating Karifean.

[Pumpkin]

I AM SO EXCITE FOR FIRST NIGHT PHASSEEEE

[FFNut]

I hope people following are as confused as us at the moment. This has been a great game so far.

[Fynn]

Karifean mafias who the best mafias tbh

Hope you plan to host again soon! :bigsmile:

[FFNut]

It has given me so many ideas for when I decide to host one.

[Formalhaut]

With everyone having some form of power role, I can imagine the night phase taking longer. :p

[Freya]

This is a crazy ass game and i've hardly read it. What is going on in there

[Formalhaut]

This is a crazy ass game and i've hardly read it. What is going on in there

Madness. Drama. Excitement. Intrigue.

[FFNut]

I am guessing we are waiting on Huckleberry Quins night move.

[FFNut]

We are around an hour away from the next day phase... Hard to believe this is only going to be day 2.

[Pumpkin]

THE SUSPENSE

[FFNut]

Even if it is me who is killed at night I am still going to follow this non stop. For your first game Pumkin you have got in the most mind twisting intense game EOFF has yet put on.

[Pumpkin]

I hope I don't get killed first night of my first game xD

[Formalhaut]

In the previous two Mafia games I've played in this 'new surge' of Mafia, I have always had the cruel fate of going 'missing'. :p

[FFNut]

A actual picture of me getting ready for day 2 day phase. http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii611/bmxman98/Mobile%20Uploads/7DB63217-23DD-4DAC-B00D-4B22037E3ECB_zpsvthx139y.png (http://s1262.photobucket.com/user/bmxman98/media/Mobile%20Uploads/7DB63217-23DD-4DAC-B00D-4B22037E3ECB_zpsvthx139y.png.html)

[Formalhaut]

Well then. Whatever gets you excited.

[Karifean]

Oh by the way, if Quin doesn't show up before Halftime, I'm modkilling him for absence.

[Karifean]

I need to do some digging in the profiles. I have no played When They Cry (I can see Karifean silently judging me), but I'll do my best to try and attach some possible identities to them. Some may be easier than others.

* You feel your sins crawling on your back.

Edit: On a completely unrelated note, do you guys (the players) happen to be in the EoFF Steam Group? I can only recognize Pumpkin and Fynn in there.

[Fynn]

There's an EoFF Steam Group?

[Fynn]

Btw, if Quin gets modkilled, will his red truth be revealed?

[FFNut]

I have a steam account, but never knew there was a group.

[Karifean]

Btw, if Quin gets modkilled, will his red truth be revealed?

I've been thinking about that for days now. Still not sure.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I'm in the group, my username is Oriale.

[Fynn]

All of us right now, tbh

https://media.tenor.co/images/fb3f2d1e814190100a4ae401b1660d5b/tenor.gif

[Formalhaut]

There's an EoFF Steam Group? Whaaaa?

[Pumpkin]

Ya I'm on it and stuff

[Fynn]

I'm not

I never get invited to anything!

[Karifean]

Damn things heated up fast.

Edit: Also Fynn, you are in this group >.>

[Formalhaut]

I'm not

I never get invited to anything!

I'm not in this group!

[Fynn]

Damn things heated up fast.

Edit: Also Fynn, you are in this group >.>

wat

[Squall Leonhart Loire]

What are these games about?

[Fynn]

Homicide

[Formalhaut]

Betrayal.

[Pumpkin]

Candy.

[Karifean]

Humans. And abuse. And love. And cynicism. And fiction, and why we write fiction, especially mysteries.

[Squall Leonhart Loire]

Whatever.

[Formalhaut]

Humans. And abuse. And love. And cynicism. And fiction, and why we write fiction, especially mysteries.

Of course you'd go for the deeper answer, Karifean.

[Pumpkin]

So at the end is there a reveal as to what actually happened? Because if not I'm going to be left with a lot of unanswered questions :p

[Fynn]

There usually is

[Squall Leonhart Loire]

Chu-Chu died for our sins. That's what happened.

[Karifean]

So at the end is there a reveal as to what actually happened? Because if not I'm going to be left with a lot of unanswered questions :p

Wouldn't you like to know

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ornk8o24tTK2tkhs4/giphy.gif

[Pumpkin]

Don't you sass me xDD

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I will say that in game I'm much more vicious than normally. So if I come off like a dick, I'm sorry. I like to win and I love you all.

<3~

[Fynn]

Hey, same :D Love you both, Bobby and Nutty. I'm just in mafia mode XD

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

So Fynn just admired to being Mafia?

[Fynn]

How?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

You said you were in Mafia mode. :P Witch. :P

[Fynn]

Oh wait

Now I got it



Stupid :roll2

[Formalhaut]

I will say that in game I'm much more vicious than normally. So if I come off like a dick, I'm sorry. I like to win and I love you all.

<3~

Oh don't worry, I was just a little peeved as I had already been accused of little biases cloud my judgement before, Andy I read your comment as yet another accusation.

All good. I recover from perceived slights relatively quickly! :D

[Fynn]

(you do tend to ignore less obvious options though >.>)

[Formalhaut]

Simplicity. I've stated my reasons for things very clearly, and I accept room where my logic may be faulty or have alternate explanations.

I'm not ignoring anything, and I don't like the implication that I'm wilfully ignoring things just the lolz.

[Fynn]

You just seem so sweet and innocent at times :jess:

[Formalhaut]

Now you're just buttering me up.

I mean if anything I'm biased towards most people in the game because you're all my dear friends! Having said that, I will absolutely vote the smurf out of you I suspect you.

[Fynn]

But there - you admitted that bias.

[FFNut]

I will also point out that she Role claimed and tossed out an ability so if I am wrong and she flips Town everyone is looking over she is probably pained which in any case she should go anyhow.

[FFNut]

Wrong thread sorry.

[Formalhaut]

Acknowledging your biases is essential, obviously. Not many people are without bias. I never said that I don't have biases, but I really dislike the notion that my biases affect my decision-making.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I will destroy all and any who get in my way. :D

[Fynn]

sigh... :(

[Formalhaut]

I mean I'm just sat here and going "what's the big deal here?"

[Squall Leonhart Loire]

I'd like to see what this is all about..

[Fynn]

Drama

Romance

Bloodshed


And I am the idol everyone craves :smug:

(5 points for anyone who gets the reference)

[Pumpkin]

Care Bears?

[Karifean]

Looks like I missed a lot while I was away.

[Fynn]

Care Bears?

no :stare:

[Shauna]

Re previous conversations

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/eyesonff

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I'm hungry.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I won't be able to get on as much today because will probably be busy and my boss is in. If someone would be as kind as to send me a message an hour or so before the day ends, I will place my vote! No, I won't vote until towards the end of the day.

[Karifean]

What is even going on anymore.

[Fynn]

:gator:

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Fynn wants me

[Fynn]

You wish

I'm so out of your league

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Oh please, I'd leave you begging for more.

I'm my own league and you better have balls to play. ;)

[Fynn]

Okay, now, that's not kinky, that's just weird

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

But I have the most fun~

[Pumpkin]

Guys I like penises too pls accept me :(

[Mr. Carnelian]

Guys I like penises too pls accept me :(

Sure. Everyone's welcome!

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I'm glad to get that off my chest. It was exciting and nerve-racking.

[Fynn]

Well this game sure is different

[Pumpkin]

Is it?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

You know you guys love me. It is 1am and I am full of sass.

[Pumpkin]

OH GOSH IT IS 1 AM

[Fynn]

this drama

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

*shrugs*

[Fynn]

I also like how we're the only ones logged in right now

[Scruffington]

this drama

The game was effectively over when Pumpkin accidentally saw Nutty and TSoL messaging each other anyways. Then he decided to react the way he did and outed the mafia.

TSoL's spiteful and petty actions now are just the straws that broke the camel's back. I was hoping to be able to salvage the game, but now there's really no hope.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

The night is dark and full of terrors...

Does this make the the Red Witch now? Do I get the gay equivalent of butt shadow assassins?

[Fynn]

this drama

The game was effectively over when Pumpkin accidentally saw Nutty and TSoL messaging each other anyways. Then he decided to react the way he did and outed the mafia.

TSoL's spiteful and petty actions now are just the straws that broke the camel's back. I was hoping to be able to salvage the game, but now there's really no hope.

We'll see how this ends. If you get lynched and the game ends, that will mean he was just doing what his end goal stated he needs to do.

[Pumpkin]

Honestly the mognet thing was blown way out of proportion. The argument being that because I saw them messaging, I became suspicious and found clues. Actually what happened is that I was suspicious and that's why the mogneting stood out. I saw a lot of the players mogneting but those two stood out BECAUSE I was suspicious

Also, honestly, I'm finding the game more interesting now than before because there's so much information and this is where my deductive skills start to fail me :(

[Fynn]

Yeah, the twists are great but my ability feels kind of meaningless at this point :(

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

And on this note at 2am, I am going to bed. Yay for 3-day weekend!

[Pumpkin]

I mean I can still turn people in to candy, so

[Fynn]

Turn me, we'll see what happens

[Scruffington]

We'll see how this ends. If you get lynched and the game ends, that will mean he was just doing what his end goal stated he needs to do.

Except that's not his end goal.

He's basically acting spiteful because his alignment got exposed. And now he's exposing someone elses even though he gets no in-game benefit from it. To me it's basically "well my game got ruined, time to bring someone else down with me."

Personally I think it's a rather poor sport attitude :/

[Fynn]

Except if what he's saying about his role is true, this is his goal

And you really have no way of knowing until we find out

[Scruffington]

I understand the frustration of Nutty revealing his role. I would be upset too. But it wasn't my fault. And I ultimately don't agree with bringing the game down for someone else just because yours got ruined.

@Fynn : That's not his goal, unless my truth is wrong or communicated incorrectly (neither of which I believe to be the case).

[Scruffington]

Oh well. Time to just move onto the next game I guess. GG everyone.

I'm going to try and get some rest, since I'm feeling very sick. All of my roommates have caught some illness and it looks like I'm next.

[Fynn]

I understand the frustration of Nutty revealing his role. I would be upset too. But it wasn't my fault. And I ultimately don't agree with bringing the game down for someone else just because yours got ruined.

@Fynn : That's not his goal, unless my truth is wrong or communicated incorrectly (neither of which I believe to be the case).

If you actually quoted the red truth verbatim, then it really doesn't be conflict with anything - if Bobby's goal is to eliminate everyone, or just you, he'd still have actually been against you all along.

[Scruffington]

If you actually quoted the red truth verbatim, then it really doesn't be conflict with anything - if Bobby's goal is to eliminate everyone, or just you, he'd still have actually been against you all along.

Except he's not doing this because he's against me. He was still part of the mafia and worked with Nutty, he just had a separate win condition. And he's against all of town too.

He's doing this for self-preservation even though he gets absolutely no benefit from it. It's not like he's outing me as the Cynic in order to buy himself trust and win the game. He's doing it knowing full well that his game is over and he will be lynched. He just wants to bring someone else down with him.

He's effectively ruining the game and spoiling the final unknown factor because someone else (Nutty) exposed his role.

I think it's an incredibly selfish move.

EDIT: To clarify, I would have no problem with the move if he were doing in order to win the game. That would be completely reasonable. My issue is that he is not doing it to win the game, rather he is doing it to end the game for someone else. This really disappoints me.

I don't particularly care much because this game has mostly been a wash due to earlier events, but I definitely don't like this move at all. :/

[Freya]

Well. How interesting of reactions.

[FFNut]

I think like Phy I should stick to watching from the sidelines. Mafia just isn't good for me.

[Fynn]

Guys, c'mon

It's a game

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

The game of thrones!

[Scruffington]

Guys, c'mon

It's a game

Agreed. Some of these issues (such as mognetting) will be resolved in future games.

However it's incredibly poor form to out fellow mafia, especially when you don't benefit from it at all. It effectively ruins the game for everyone else who is putting in effort, including town.

It's pretty easy to avoid this too. Just think about the other players in the game if you 'get caught.' Integrity is important.

[Fynn]

I honestly don't get why you're so convinced that he's lying. Knowing Bobby, he would not go out betraying you just for the sake of it. If he is indeed the witch of truth, it is ver possible that he's goal was always to turn on mafia as a mechanic. Can we wait and see how this plays out before we go out accusing people of poor form?

[Fynn]

Heads up - won't be available most of the day. Going apartment hunting.

[Karifean]

And that's a wrap. Congrats humans!

[Laddy]

The game in which I deliberately remain quiet is my successful one huh

[Formalhaut]

Oh my God I've won a game! I won something!

Though honestly, the other players pulled in a much better performance than I did. I don't think I really did anything of note throughout the game.

EDIT: Got to admit Fynn did a great job as Town. You really drove us into hammering TSoL and led the game. Pumpkin also did great! The most important thing for Townies is to not look suspicious and you were down on my suspicions throughout most of the game. Congratulations for winning your first game!

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

So my win condition was that I had to eliminate my fellow witch and the Cynic and all the humans. However, I could not with if it ended with just witches left meaning the last kill before I won had to be human.

My plan was always to betray Nutty and Scruff just happened sooner than later. Giving up the Cynic was the only way I could spin it with a chance to win. Had I given up a fake Cynic (Laddy was almost the sacrificial lamb), I would have to still get rid of Scruff. Also, I was trying to spin it that I won with the humans. If I stayed "witch" longer my motivation would be too easily questioned. If I continued to nightkill after Nutty was dead then reveal I win with the humans wouldn't fly. I could have blamed the Cynic but Fynn's ability would have ratted me out. After that I was hoping to convince the humans that a Pained was active.

So I was always meant to betray. My hand moved a bit faster than I would have liked but what I did seemed my only viable move to my win. A witch victory wouldn't have been a victory for me. So I was never on anyone's side but my own. I was essentially Pained witch already activated, not a reverse Cynic.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I also totally said I would destroy all in my path. Lol.

[Formalhaut]

So my win condition was that I had to eliminate my fellow witch and the Cynic and all the humans. However, I could not with if it ended with just witches left meaning the last kill before I won had to be

Oooooh, so you just omitted the fact that you 'also' had to kill all humans. Clever.

I was Rena Ryuuguu! My ability was Stalk. Sounds like a tracker, or maybe a watcher, right?

WRONG. I was actually the Doctor. I can choose any player, and if they're targeted by an elimination move, they are protected by it. That's why I was really flummoxed when Night One ended and everyone thought it was a Mass-Protection, because that's my job! I'm literally the Doctor. And I didn't think there'd be another guy with my role. I'm still not entirely convinced the guy with the sword used a Mass-Protection. I still suspect some form of mass-block of some kind, but I'll guess we see.

Also not sure how well I did as a Doctor. Guess we'll see. Glad to know my hunches were fairly correct. I never really suspected Pumpkin much, nor did I think Mr. Carny was a Witch either; I had him as prob!Town by the end of Day One.

My problem was higher up my list of suspicion. Besides Nutty and Scruffy, I had no good reads on Fynn, Laddy, heck even TSoL for a time. I was pretty 50/50 on Laddy being a Witch. Fynn I was suspicious for a time but that waned over time and I had him as maybe!Town.

EDIT: So this game has taught me that I'm strangely better at Town Reads than Mafia Reads. Really not sure that's the right way around but you know!

EDIT 2: Okay, read the truths in the other thread. So besides Nutty's failed kill on Mr. Carnelian (nice job by the way Mr. Carny, saved yourself there!), were no more kills attempted during the other two nights? Huh! Along with TSoL's explanation, things now make a lot more sense.

[Karifean]

If I continued to nightkill after Nutty was dead then reveal I win with the humans wouldn't fly.

The ironic part was that you would've been blocked by Carny both times anyways, so not attempting a nightkill was the better choice ^^

If I ever put in a Witch of Truth esque alignment again I'll remove the requirement to kill the witches before the humans. It can end in a deadlock that way (both voting for one another, both trying to kill each other at night) but that's basically why I put the Family Alchemist in play in the first place.

I tried a lot of things this game. Some worked, some didn't, a lot I'm left unsure about since the game ended so quickly. What do you guys think was a good/bad idea? Regarding Pained, Cynic, Witch of Truth, Red Truths + Purple Statements, Narrative-screwing, giving everyone an ability, etc.

[Pumpkin]

I really had a lot of fun for my first game! I think being new kind of helped because then I wasn't like... "bogged down" by what I'm used to and having to adapt to all of the changes and all dat

Good job team :bro:

[Pumpkin]

Also I really liked the purple statements and I'm thinking of stealing some of your ideas for my game if thas oki :3

[Formalhaut]

I think overall the game went very well!

I do feel as if some Town roles seemed better used by Mafia. Laddy's Stealth and Pumpkin's Candy screwed around with the narrative and I'm not sure that really helped Town. Kinda seemed like a negative utility? I don't know. I mean, we won, so it couldn't have been that hindering.

The way the game went my Doctor role kinda fell out of use, but that's just how the Game went (and it went sideways anyway, so it could hardly be predicted!). Some roles are more powerful in different games. Just how it is. I will say I like how each role had a unique purpose. And the theme was fantastic!

I personally wouldn't host a role madness game like this because frankly I'm not that good at balancing and I'm a very new host, so you were very brave to do so yourself! It went very well. The Statements were good, though I am curious what you sent TSoL Karifean. The grammar and structure of his Statement was a major talking point. Actually, could you list all the Statements so we can see if any witches lied?

Oh! If you're wondering why I protected Pumpkin, Pumpkin then Fynn during the three night phases, they were really for trivial reasons. Ask Karifean, I basically moaned at him in my Mognets about how I had little clue. I protected Pumpkin the first two nights so she wouldn't die so soon in her first game. As for Fynn, by that point he was claiming to have an investigative role and it'd be best to keep him alive. I didn't block any kills, but then hardly any kills were made! :p

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I barely lied too. Omitted a fact and changed my statement slightly.

The style of my statement was Karifean's so to those who said it wasn't: :p

[Karifean]

Steal all you want, Pumpkin, I have no patent for this ruleset =P


I think overall the game went very well!

Haah, I wonder. When Pumpkin casually pointed out the two Mafia on Day 2 after the nightkill had been blocked I was like, welp, GG, that was a short game. I figured I might as well keep it going until the end, mostly because who knows what still could've happened - people like falling into paranoia when everything's going too well :p


I do feel as if some Town roles seemed better used by Mafia. Laddy's Stealth and Pumpkin's Candy screwed around with the narrative and I'm not sure that really helped Town. Kinda seemed like a negative utility? I don't know. I mean, we won, so it couldn't have been that hindering.

Stealth was a bit too powerful of an ability in hindsight. A Mafia having it would've been insane. I made it obligatory use so it would still get used on the human side, but, well, there was probably a better way to go about it.

Sweeten on the other hand I found works pretty damn well on both sides. Can be used to easily identify someone in the writeups, can be used to mislead others, probably one of the better ideas I had for abilities, along with Miracle.


The way the game went my Doctor role kinda fell out of use, but that's just how the Game went (and it went sideways anyway, so it could hardly be predicted!). Some roles are more powerful in different games. Just how it is. I will say I like how each role had a unique purpose. And the theme was fantastic!

I thought with 3 witches and 6 humans (which is *really* skewed under normal circumstances) I would not be amiss having two humans capable of blocking a night kill, with the Cynic and Witch of Truth capable of shifting the balance towards either side... well, turns out I was worrying too much, in the end I probably shouldn't have had two protective abilities. Something to take note of for next time.

I'm glad you liked the theme :jess:


Oh! If you're wondering why I protected Pumpkin, Pumpkin then Fynn during the three night phases, they were really for trivial reasons. Ask Karifean, I basically moaned at him in my Mognets about how I had little clue. I protected Pumpkin the first two nights so she wouldn't die so soon in her first game. As for Fynn, by that point he was claiming to have an investigative role and it'd be best to keep him alive. I didn't block any kills, but then hardly any kills were made! :p

Most Mafia don't kill someone their first game, first night anyways, just fyi. Although seeing that "Stalk: Pumpkin" line and your reaction to writing it was worth it xD

[Pumpkin]

I think TSoL did really well at defending himself after FFNut got offed. The game wasn't as over as I thought it was

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I was hoping to confuse your guys but Fynn had my number and I really couldn't convince anyone he was Pained.

Tbh, he still didn't have to fully reveal himself imho. We all pretty much knew who he was :p

I had a lot of fun! But I maybe had the craziest role that allowed me do just screw everyone over.

[Karifean]

And with that I'll also return to my old theme. It was fun being Featherine for a while, but Black Battler still feels the most like me =P

Finally, as a thanks to people playing this game, I have a little gift for y'all on Steam. If you haven't added me on Steam yet, feel free to do so, I'll be waiting on you guys~

Edit: On second look, none of y'all have accepted my friend requests yet. Fine then, see if I care >_>

[Scruffington]

My plan was always to betray Nutty and Scruff just happened sooner than later. Giving up the Cynic was the only way I could spin it with a chance to win.

You were already outed as mafia in multiple ways though. Nutty outed you, you outed yourself, I posted my Red Truth, and then you directly confirmed you were mafia by stating that you've seen the PM (which only a Witch can receive).


So I was always meant to betray. My hand moved a bit faster than I would have liked but what I did seemed my only viable move to my win. A witch victory wouldn't have been a victory for me. So I was never on anyone's side but my own. I was essentially Pained witch already activated, not a reverse Cynic.

Yeah you were meant to betray, but offing another mafia when there are still 5 townies left in the game is a pretty bad decision. You did it to buy yourself an extra day in a game that you were inevitably going to lose.


I think TSoL did really well at defending himself after FFNut got offed. The game wasn't as over as I thought it was

Nutty put him in an unfortunate position (and one that town should not have trusted him from considering he was outed as mafia by Nutty). He also incriminated himself in multiple ways and a few pieces of evidence against him.

Anyways, thanks again for hosting Karifean. Not sure if my game will have quite the same flavor in write-ups as yours, but I'll see if I can learn a thing or two from you. :P

[Pumpkin]

Well I'm not that good of an investigator :colbert:

Srs I had a ton of fun thank you everyone :flirt:

[Karifean]

In case anyone is interested, here were some of my drafts for the unused identities' abilities.


Convince - Nighttime Ability - 2 Targets - Changes target 1's night target to target 2.
Judge - Nighttime Ability - Any number of targets - If any of your targets uses an elimination move this night, you will be informed of it. You will not be told which of your targets used it.
Repeat - Nighttime Ability - 2 Targets - Uses the ability of target 1 on target 2. Fails if target 1's ability does not require a single target. Copies the innate ability, not the witches' Kill.
Expose - Daytime (Pre-Halftime) Ability - 1 Target - Publicly posts the target player's identity at Halftime.
Coerce - Daytime (Pre-Halftime) Ability, Single Use - No Targets - Ends the Daytime Phase at Halftime immediately.
Glare - Daytime Ability - 1 Target + Vote - Overrides the target's vote with whatever you want to.


The others were pretty much just misleading names for Track, Watch, etc.

[Fynn]

I'm still your Steam friend, Karifean! :p

Had great fun with this! The statements were seriously interesting and everyone having abilities and stuff like the Pained and the Cynic really made this something exceptional. However, I do kind of think the witches having a betrayer role in their ranks kind of skewed the game in our favor - it's hard to believe, but we actually had a perfect game, with Quin being the only townie dead and that was a modkill.

Like I said, Bobby, you tried :p Of course, it would've been ideal if you could keep the Cynic around for longer, but in your circumstances, with everyone basically KNOWING you're a witch by the time they executed FFNut, you really did a great job of turning it around - I actually believed your version of the Witch of Truth's true purpose, and you really made me think that maybe the Pained actually was activated. But once I checked Pumpkin, all my doubts were erased.