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Shauna
08-08-2017, 08:07 PM
Auron, The Legendary Guardian

http://img14.deviantart.net/0fb9/i/2005/200/1/8/sir_auron_revisited_by_abishai.jpg (http://abishai.deviantart.com/art/Sir-Auron-revisited-20754436)

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Red XIII, Beast from Cosmo Canyon

http://img07.deviantart.net/0fbf/i/2010/151/0/e/red_xiii_of_final_fantasy_by_blackmystica.jpg (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Red-XIII-of-Final-Fantasy-165990707)

Psychotic
08-08-2017, 08:09 PM
bloody hell i hate these polls why do i have to choose YOU'RE TEARING ME APART SHAUNA :colbert:

Genuinely unsure, I really like both characters.

qwertysaur
08-08-2017, 08:10 PM
This matchup is very Red. Another difficult choice for me, but I gotta go with the awesomeness that is Auron.

Freya
08-08-2017, 08:10 PM
Uhhh uhhhh uhhhhhhhh



Auron because it was the one I played first before VII (i did it backwards mmkay)

Pumpkin
08-08-2017, 08:12 PM
RED OCTOBER

Jinx
08-08-2017, 08:12 PM
FUCK DUDE

THIS RANDOM GENERATOR YOU KEEP USING IS BONING US, SHAUNA




gotta go with the little catdog, though

qwertysaur
08-08-2017, 08:14 PM
The random number generator is really Shauna seeing which matchups will cause the most tears to pick between, then picking them.

Wolf Kanno
08-08-2017, 08:29 PM
The random number generator is really Shauna seeing which matchups will cause the most tears to pick between, then picking them.

I have no problem here. I really don't understand Red XIII's appeal.

Jinx
08-08-2017, 08:34 PM
The random number generator is really Shauna seeing which matchups will cause the most tears to pick between, then picking them.

I have no problem here. I really don't understand Red XIII's appeal.

He's a cute, wise, fire catdog? What is there to not understand?

Shauna
08-08-2017, 08:40 PM
:mwahaha:

Galuf
08-08-2017, 08:43 PM
Yeah these polls are pretty hard. Gonna go with auron though. He pretty cool one handing that sword and when he runs to attack with haste on its funny

Vermachtnis
08-08-2017, 08:56 PM
The random number generator is really Shauna seeing which matchups will cause the most tears to pick between, then picking them.

I have no problem here. I really don't understand Red XIII's appeal.

Me either, I was genuinely surprised that scene with Seto made it as far as it did in the other tournament.

Lyndis Highwind
08-08-2017, 09:22 PM
Auron is totally boss.

Wolf Kanno
08-08-2017, 09:24 PM
The random number generator is really Shauna seeing which matchups will cause the most tears to pick between, then picking them.

I have no problem here. I really don't understand Red XIII's appeal.

Me either, I was genuinely surprised that scene with Seto made it as far as it did in the other tournament.

It had good music, but yeah, I'm baffled by it. He always feels like a novelty character to me. It would be like people ranking Umaro and Mog over the rest of VI's cast. I mean I like both of them, but not as much as the others.

Psychotic
08-08-2017, 09:28 PM
The random number generator is really Shauna seeing which matchups will cause the most tears to pick between, then picking them.

I have no problem here. I really don't understand Red XIII's appeal.

Me either, I was genuinely surprised that scene with Seto made it as far as it did in the other tournament.That scene is the closest a Final Fantasy game has ever come to making me cry. Well, unless you count being bored to tears in FFXII I guess.

Jinx
08-08-2017, 09:28 PM
The random number generator is really Shauna seeing which matchups will cause the most tears to pick between, then picking them.

I have no problem here. I really don't understand Red XIII's appeal.

Me either, I was genuinely surprised that scene with Seto made it as far as it did in the other tournament.

It had good music, but yeah, I'm baffled by it. He always feels like a novelty character to me. It would be like people ranking Umaro and Mog over the rest of VI's cast. I mean I like both of them, but not as much as the others.

Aren't you a fan of Quina, though?

Wolf Kanno
08-08-2017, 09:32 PM
The random number generator is really Shauna seeing which matchups will cause the most tears to pick between, then picking them.

I have no problem here. I really don't understand Red XIII's appeal.

Me either, I was genuinely surprised that scene with Seto made it as far as it did in the other tournament.

It had good music, but yeah, I'm baffled by it. He always feels like a novelty character to me. It would be like people ranking Umaro and Mog over the rest of VI's cast. I mean I like both of them, but not as much as the others.

Aren't you a fan of Quina, though?

I like Quina yes, but if Quina was up against Freya, Vivi, or Steiner, I'm kicking it to the curb. Red XIII was just boring to me and ultimately doesn't really do much for the plot except be raised by a more important character.

Jinx
08-08-2017, 09:32 PM
The random number generator is really Shauna seeing which matchups will cause the most tears to pick between, then picking them.

I have no problem here. I really don't understand Red XIII's appeal.

Me either, I was genuinely surprised that scene with Seto made it as far as it did in the other tournament.

It had good music, but yeah, I'm baffled by it. He always feels like a novelty character to me. It would be like people ranking Umaro and Mog over the rest of VI's cast. I mean I like both of them, but not as much as the others.

Aren't you a fan of Quina, though?

I like Quina yes, but if Quina was up against Freya, Vivi, or Steiner, I'm kicking it to the curb. Red XIII was just boring to me and ultimately doesn't really do much for the plot except be raised by a more important character.

Fair enough!

Aulayna
08-08-2017, 09:41 PM
I went for Red XIII, though I don't really care for either of these characters tbh - I don't feel either of them are particularly strong characters.

Psychotic
08-08-2017, 09:43 PM
I like Quina yes, but if Quina was up against Freya, Vivi, or Steiner, I'm kicking it to the curb. Red XIII was just boring to me and ultimately doesn't really do much for the plot except be raised by a more important character.Vivi and Steiner I'll give you, but Freya? Bloody hell son. Red XIII is more important to VII's plot than Freya is to IX's and infinitely less boring. Fight me.

...although there wouldn't be much point seeing as how she only got one nomination. There's a reason Red XIII's in this tournament and she isn't! :greenie:

qwertysaur
08-08-2017, 10:01 PM
I went for Red XIII, though I don't really care for either of these characters tbh - I don't feel either of them are particularly strong characters.
Auron is a really strong character. Just all of his development takes place before the game starts. :p

Freya
08-08-2017, 10:18 PM
I like Quina yes, but if Quina was up against Freya, Vivi, or Steiner, I'm kicking it to the curb. Red XIII was just boring to me and ultimately doesn't really do much for the plot except be raised by a more important character.Vivi and Steiner I'll give you, but Freya? Bloody hell son. Red XIII is more important to VII's plot than Freya is to IX's and infinitely less boring. Fight me.

...although there wouldn't be much point seeing as how she only got one nomination. There's a reason Red XIII's in this tournament and she isn't! :greenie:

You're a bad person.

Psychotic
08-08-2017, 10:19 PM
Maybe you should've named yourself after Grandma Pickle instead. I mean hey, she got just as many votes.

Freya
08-08-2017, 10:22 PM
That was also my nom :( Stop being so mean. I'll report you to the auth..... well drat

Jinx
08-08-2017, 10:24 PM
Is this a Final Fantasy competition, or a Pokemon competition? Because someone needs a goddamn burn heal.

Freya
08-08-2017, 10:26 PM
Oh wait not Grandma Pickle wasn't mine, Grandma Potpourri was.

Loony BoB
08-08-2017, 10:34 PM
Red without question. Although I will note that post-Bugenhagen Red XIII isn't even 10% as cool as pre-Bugenhagen Red XIII. He basically goes backwards in leaps and bounds in maturity at that point, although that's kind of interesting to me because I know of loads of people that carry themselves as really collected, mature people but after you get to know them you discover their insecurities and that they're just another person with their issues like the rest of us. I guess Red XIII is one of those kind of people, and that's not a bad thing. I just loved him when he was going around being a badass.

Auron's cool and I used him almost always in the game, but I just felt he was incredibly overhyped and to this day I don't know why. Vincent got the same deal. Must be something to do with the look.

Fynn
08-08-2017, 11:09 PM
Omg so many people are just wrong and I don't think my precious little heart can cope

Red XIII? Seriously?

My fucking toe nails have more charisma and memorable lines than Red XIII


I voted Auron even though he's okay at best but Red is literally a nothing. I liked him back in my Lion King phase. Now it's just weird and embarrassing to think about.

Loony BoB
08-08-2017, 11:22 PM
My smurfing toe nails have more charisma and memorable lines than Red XIII
To be fair, I can't remember a single line from Auron off the top of my head. At all. I can remember a few of Red's lines. And I wouldn't list Auron under charismatic characters.

Jinx
08-08-2017, 11:27 PM
All y'all in this thread are the worst.

Auron is a stone-cold, bad ass, zombie daddy.

Red XIII is a goddamn Native Cosmo Canyonan fire kitty cat dog.

Loony BoB
08-08-2017, 11:30 PM
I agree he's a badass! Loved using him in fights.

Kind of completely off topic but why do people call guys "daddy" when they're not a dad I am naive and stupid. Is it just the whole "lol some girls get off on calling guys daddy in sexytimes" or is it something else?

/almostrandom

Jinx
08-08-2017, 11:31 PM
Here's a tip, pal: don't look it up.

Freya
08-08-2017, 11:32 PM
Some characters are the "moms" or "dads" of a group for how they act with the other characters.

unless you mean in a sexual sense and not in this context o.o

Loony BoB
08-08-2017, 11:34 PM
I mean in the general sense of how it was used in this kind of context, I was legit wondering if it was something related to the more sexual variation, but I guess being the "daddy of the group" description is more understandable for me. xD

Jinx
08-08-2017, 11:37 PM
It's absolutely a sexual thing.


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Loony BoB
08-08-2017, 11:39 PM
No ma'am. :(

Laddy
08-09-2017, 12:52 AM
I like both but Red XIII is the type of conceptual wild card this series needs more of

Darth Ganon
08-09-2017, 04:53 AM
Auron. It's always a pleasure to see Bruce Willis guest star in a Final Fantasy game.

Wolf Kanno
08-09-2017, 06:48 AM
I like Quina yes, but if Quina was up against Freya, Vivi, or Steiner, I'm kicking it to the curb. Red XIII was just boring to me and ultimately doesn't really do much for the plot except be raised by a more important character.Vivi and Steiner I'll give you, but Freya? Bloody hell son. Red XIII is more important to VII's plot than Freya is to IX's and infinitely less boring. Fight me.

...although there wouldn't be much point seeing as how she only got one nomination. There's a reason Red XIII's in this tournament and she isn't! :greenie:

Freya had a more interesting story and FF is on short supply of badass female characters. She also Riverdances!

Red XIII had a boring predictable plot line and ultimately comes across as an annoying know-it-all kid who basically has reality give him a wake up call beat down. My favorite thing about him was kicking the ball into him at Costa del Sol.

Freya also has the better character theme.

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Fynn
08-09-2017, 07:01 AM
Red XIII's novelty basically comes down to

http://godhatesgeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/A-Talking-Cat-Small.jpg

Lyndis Highwind
08-09-2017, 07:16 AM
I didn't realize people disliked Red XIII so much! I'm not crazy about him or anything, and I agree he is a rather weak character, but he was cool for the parts of the story that he was in.

Fynn
08-09-2017, 07:22 AM
Nah I don't hate him. I just think he really isn't that interesting and my recent replay only confirmed how insufferable he can get. Also, Freya is a better character by a mile, so seeing such slander just made it clear I had to speak up because damn, that's just crazy talk!

Psychotic
08-09-2017, 07:59 AM
Freya had a more interesting story and FF is on short supply of badass female characters. She also Riverdances!

Red XIII had a boring predictable plot line and ultimately comes across as an annoying know-it-all kid who basically has reality give him a wake up call beat down. My favorite thing about him was kicking the ball into him at Costa del Sol.

Freya also has the better character theme. Freya isn't even in the top 3 female badasses in her game (Beatrix, Lani and even god damn Ruby all had more personality) let alone the series!

Red XIII is not a know-it-all in the slightest! He shows a lot of vulnerability and fear of the unknown (e.g. "I have a tattoo too, will I go mad?" Paraphrased) and I have no idea how you missed that. He's a likeable and down-to-earth character who adds some much needed chill to counterbalance the likes of Barret. In Cosmo Canyon he shows a totally different side unlike beep boop emotionless Freya and the emotional payoff at the end is superb.

Red XIII's main arc ties nicely into FFVII's core theme of self identity. His side arcs (fear of being controlled by Hojo/Sephiroth and death of Bugenhagen aka the planet) also do and keep him relevant throughout the game.

All of this is why Red XIII is objectively one of the best FF characters in history as recognised by his place in this tournament. And Freya got one vote.

Fynn
08-09-2017, 08:21 AM
You just leaped off into the deep end with Lani

Bubba
08-09-2017, 08:23 AM
Great. Two of my favourite characters head-to-head.


YOU'RE TEARING ME APART SHAUNA :colbert:

This

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Psychotic
08-09-2017, 08:37 AM
Great. Two of my favourite characters head-to-head.


YOU'RE TEARING ME APART SHAUNA :colbert:

This

73518Exactly! This is why I've had to resort to bashing Freya, because I think Auron is excellent and I can't bring myself to say a bad word against him. Again, while I voted for Red XIII I'm perfectly fine with Auron going through.

maybee
08-09-2017, 12:19 PM
/slams the Nanaki/ Red XIII button

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj72gl4y3A1qfmpxg.gif

fat_moogle
08-09-2017, 12:29 PM
Red XIII! He's all like TAKE THAT HOJO YOU BASTARD. Whereas Auron is like SIN IS JECHT. Way to ruin a potential plot twist so early in the game, Auron.

Karifean
08-09-2017, 12:30 PM
Auron of course. Dude's one of the few FF characters I really do care about.

Jinx
08-09-2017, 02:33 PM
he loves his grandpa and thinks about him at sleepy times :(

Fynn
08-09-2017, 02:38 PM
he loves his grandpa and thinks about him at sleepy times :(

WEAK

Formalhaut
08-09-2017, 03:09 PM
Auron's a badass. Red XIII is a badass with vulnerabilities, a moving (though granted, fairly straightforward) local storyline and he helps form a needed logical foundation when characters start getting loopy. And I personally find Cosmo Canyon one of my favourite sections of Disc 1, although I know a surprising number of people don't very much care for any of it.

Either deserve to win this, but I don't think Red XIII is a novelty character. If anything Cait Sith is your novelty character although even it gains a semblence of depth in the latter stages of the game.

Lyndis Highwind
08-09-2017, 07:14 PM
Wow, another tie! C'mon Auron!

Jinx
08-09-2017, 07:24 PM
Personally, I'll be happy with whoever wins this one, even if I did vote for the kittycatman.

Shauna
08-09-2017, 08:09 PM
I withdrew my own vote that I had placed to UP THE ANTE - our winner is Red XIII!

Karifean
08-09-2017, 11:35 PM
*tableflip*

Wolf Kanno
08-10-2017, 12:37 AM
Most of this doesn't matter anymore but...


Freya isn't even in the top 3 female badasses in her game (Beatrix, Lani and even god damn Ruby all had more personality) let alone the series!

Really stretching it there with two of the choices. Honestly, mechanic-wise, Freya is one of the most broken characters in the game considering she gets an MP restoring ability, a guarantee max damage cap skill and she's the traditionally broken Dragoon class of which all Dragoon characters are badasses. Even Beatrix is more badass as a boss, since her fights are rigged in her favor, than as character. It becomes obvious that her stats are not really as strong as they should be and she doesn't have enough MP to be a real wrecking ball like Steiner can with the same abilities.


Red XIII is not a know-it-all in the slightest! He shows a lot of vulnerability and fear of the unknown (e.g. "I have a tattoo too, will I go mad?" Paraphrased) and I have no idea how you missed that.
Which is basically the game trying to hand wave his original story, which actually made him more interesting since he was a clone in the early drafts. None of this changes that this revelation really never goes anywhere or adds anything to him.


He's a likeable and down-to-earth character who adds some much needed chill to counterbalance the likes of Barret. In Cosmo Canyon he shows a totally different side
More like quiet and bored to be with the rest of the cast. Honestly Red has like next to no lines for most of the sections after Midgard and before his hometown, and he has little to no lines after that./ He could be written out of the plot and not impact it at all.


unlike beep boop emotionless Freya and the emotional payoff at the end is superb.
You seem to forget her breakdown in Cleyra when she finds her love Frately and discovers he no longer remembers her which breaks her heart, or the anger she feels when she returns to find her home of Burmecia in ruin, or when she tells Zidane off for all his damn womanizing cause she's a boss.



Red XIII's main arc ties nicely into FFVII's core theme of self identity. His side arcs (fear of being controlled by Hojo/Sephiroth and death of Bugenhagen aka the planet) also do and keep him relevant throughout the game.

Not really, cause as I said, the one line never goes anywhere concerning Hojo or Sephy, and considering he has a "score to settle with Hojo" it feels kind of dumb that he didn't use the better opportunity when he was first introduced since he mauled the guy and did nothing. So it really feels like the writer's just trying to come up with reasons to keep him relevant and as I said many trimes before, Barret also has a connection to Cosmo Canyon, so he could have easily been written as the link to Bugenhagen making the talking cat even more pointless than the novelty he is. His identity plot was cliched and predictable and only saved by the fact that "The Great Warrior" is one of the best tracks in VII. Again, most of his relevancy ends after Cosmo Canyon as the team already know Bugenhagen by then and he doesn't do anything after that except hand off the Black Materia to Sephiroth controlled Cloud if he's not in your active party.


All of this is why Red XIII is objectively one of the best FF characters in history as recognized by his place in this tournament. And Freya got one vote.

I didn't vote for either, but simply because I feel there were better characters in the series. Freya's issue is that her plot never resolves as Zidane and Garnet's personal stories become cancerous plot tumors in the game's second half, whereas Red XIII is pretty much a non-entity for the rest of VII after Cosmo Canyon because his name isn't Cloud, Tifa, or Cid, who are all the only people who do matter after the first disc. Frankly I feel Cyan is the character who really got robbed in this tournament. :ffviscorn:

maybee
08-10-2017, 11:54 AM
I withdrew my own vote that I had placed to UP THE ANTE - our winner is Red XIII!

YES ALL HAIL THE GINGER DOGGO !


http://img04.deviantart.net/0f12/i/2009/245/1/0/red_xiii_vector_by_shadow306k.png