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Shauna
08-13-2017, 06:09 PM
Ashelia B'nargin Dalmasca, Former Princess of Dalmasca

http://pre11.deviantart.net/7749/th/pre/f/2016/351/7/f/ashe_by_tsuaii-darx99j.jpg (https://tsuaii.deviantart.com/art/Ashe-651563047)

VS

Rikku, Dra Dnaycina Rihdan

https://img05.deviantart.net/978d/i/2004/366/d/b/x_2_anime_rikku_by_shiawase_chan.jpg (https://shiawase-chan.deviantart.com/art/X-2-anime-Rikku-13686230)

Wolf Kanno
08-13-2017, 06:19 PM
The best leading lady in the series versus Hyper Genki Girl Ver. 6? I know who I'm voting for.

Psychotic
08-13-2017, 06:35 PM
Ashe is trashe.

maybee
08-13-2017, 06:43 PM
Ashe is trashe.


https://media.giphy.com/media/l4HnR1wfKVkb3kIj6/giphy.gif

Ashe is QUEEN.

Karifean
08-13-2017, 06:43 PM
Holy shit, of all the characters my favorite FF genki girl has to go up against it has to be one of the best protagonists in the series?

Sucks to be her.

qwertysaur
08-13-2017, 06:46 PM
Rikku ec dra kenm E's kuehk du lruuca vun drec nuiht. Cra femm seq drec ib. Ashe zicd lyh'd gaab ib fedr drec bango kenm!

maybee
08-13-2017, 06:49 PM
Rikku ec dra kenm E's kuehk du lruuca vun drec nuiht. Cra femm seq drec ib. Ashe zicd lyh'd gaab ib fedr drec bango kenm!

Rikku's name in English is "Huggo " I'm laughing so hard :lol:

Pumpkin
08-13-2017, 06:52 PM
Rikku

qwertysaur
08-13-2017, 06:59 PM
Rikku ec dra kenm E's kuehk du lruuca vun drec nuiht. Cra femm seq drec ib. Ashe zicd lyh'd gaab ib fedr drec bango kenm!

Rikku's name in English is "Huggo " I'm laughing so hard :lol:
Nasaspan dryd bnuban huihc E's Al Bhed mega hysac uv baubma yht bmylac tuh'd kad dnyhcmydat. cu Rikku yht EoFF cdyo dra cysa. UV luinca cusauha mega Cryihy femm kad dnyhcmydat, palyica Shauna ec sygehk sa lruuca padfaah Yuna yht Gilgamesh.

Psychotic
08-13-2017, 07:13 PM
Ashe is trashe.Ashe is QUEEN.Doesn't rhyme, not having it :colbert:

Fynn
08-13-2017, 07:24 PM
The best leading lady in the series versus Hyper Genki Girl Ver. 6? I know who I'm voting for.

maybee
08-13-2017, 07:26 PM
Ashe is trashe.Ashe is QUEEN.Doesn't rhyme, not having it :colbert:

But it's the truth :kakapo:

Vermachtnis
08-13-2017, 07:29 PM
I love Ashe.

Galuf
08-13-2017, 08:08 PM
I personally think rikku is the worst female character in FF to be honest so... can tell who im voting for

Bubba
08-13-2017, 08:32 PM
I personally think rikku is the worst female character in FF to be honest so... can tell who im voting for

That is soooo not my point of view.

Loony BoB
08-13-2017, 09:02 PM
Ashe, although I don't have much against Rikku. I like both well enough, but I feel like Ashe was the better character overall.

Jinx
08-13-2017, 09:17 PM
Ashe is trashe.

Lyndis Highwind
08-13-2017, 09:18 PM
I can't stand Rikku so Ashe it is.

Aulayna
08-13-2017, 11:39 PM
Ashe is one of the best female leads, possibly even leads in general, the franchise has ever had. So she gets my vote.

(also name buddies!)

Night Fury
08-14-2017, 12:56 AM
Rikku!

Darth Ganon
08-14-2017, 02:56 AM
Rikku is Rikku.

Laddy
08-14-2017, 05:15 AM
Oh man I love Ashe but Rikku is just the heart and soul of X. She's the ambassador of the less repressed, more technologically advanced Spira that the Yevonites seek to discriminate against. Her people are victims of genocide and she's constantly surrounded by oppression and cultural mores that clearly make her uncomfortable and she handles it like a total badass and has empathy and enthusiasm to spare, all as a young teen. She's much less nuanced in X-2 but is still loads of fun. Ashe is great, truly, but Rikku is probably the best part of FFX and is one of the best example of member of an oppressed fictional race in the medium.

Wolf Kanno
08-14-2017, 07:11 AM
73640

Psychotic
08-14-2017, 07:40 AM
73640Just because she doesn't have a love arc that doesn't make her a strong character. Love isn't a weakness.

Loony BoB
08-14-2017, 08:55 AM
True, but she is a strong character, so...

Psychotic
08-14-2017, 09:15 AM
Depends what you mean by strong, but you can make that point without knocking other characters down, particularly if you're going to do it in such a ham-fisted way. For my sins, I like all five of the other female characters in that comic more than Ashe.

Fynn
08-14-2017, 09:59 AM
Psy, I am going to pray for your blind ass

fat_moogle
08-14-2017, 11:12 AM
Oh man I love Ashe but Rikku is just the heart and soul of X. She's the ambassador of the less repressed, more technologically advanced Spira that the Yevonites seek to discriminate against. Her people are victims of genocide and she's constantly surrounded by oppression and cultural mores that clearly make her uncomfortable and she handles it like a total badass and has empathy and enthusiasm to spare, all as a young teen. She's much less nuanced in X-2 but is still loads of fun. Ashe is great, truly, but Rikku is probably the best part of FFX and is one of the best example of member of an oppressed fictional race in the medium.
Said it better than I could have.

Shiva95
08-14-2017, 12:33 PM
I love them both a lot, but I'll go with Rikku.

Jinx
08-14-2017, 12:47 PM
Depends what you mean by strong, but you can make that point without knocking other characters down, particularly if you're going to do it in such a ham-fisted way. For my sins, I like all five of the other female characters in that comic more than Ashe.


This is was my exact feeling.

Also anyone who things Garnet fangirled over Zidane didn't play more than 10 minutes of the game. It's not even until the outer continent that she can even begin to STAND him.

Pumpkin
08-14-2017, 06:10 PM
Ashe just bugs me because she is a serious lady on a serious mission with a serious story, and you expect me to believe she's going to go around with a bright pink belt and call it a skirt? No.

And yes, I know she's in disguise but there are a million other things she could wear. And no, this isn't about sexualization in general, its about it not fitting the character. They just wanted her to show off some ass-cheek even though it didn't fit :colbert:

maybee
08-14-2017, 06:40 PM
73640

wtf

love doesn't = strength or weakness and she loved her prince man.

Vermachtnis
08-15-2017, 12:18 AM
its about it not fitting the character

It fits pretty well if you ask me

Wolf Kanno
08-15-2017, 05:19 AM
wtf

love doesn't = strength or weakness and she loved her prince man.

It has more to do with the fact that her plot doesn't involve becoming the male leads arm candy. In truth Ashe is the main character of her story and her plot doesn't really involve romance outside of Rasler, who in a nice subversion of the "stuffed in fridge trope" is gender reversed. He's used to manipulate her, but it's not like she's spending the whole game trying to bring him back (X-2 Yuna), nor getting some guys attention cause she mistakenly loves him (Tifa and Rinoa) or watching her story ultimately wind up about getting together with the guy after her plot points are usually resolved early and shown she can't do anything without the lead male (Garnet and FFX Yuna) so I would say that Ashe is the serious curve ball of female heroines that the series really needed; and I am a bit sad she lost to basically a stock character we've seen already five times before her.

Fynn
08-15-2017, 09:46 AM
wtf

love doesn't = strength or weakness and she loved her prince man.

It has more to do with the fact that her plot doesn't involve becoming the male leads arm candy. In truth Ashe is the main character of her story and her plot doesn't really involve romance outside of Rasler, who in a nice subversion of the "stuffed in fridge trope" is gender reversed. He's used to manipulate her, but it's not like she's spending the whole game trying to bring him back (X-2 Yuna), nor getting some guys attention cause she mistakenly loves him (Tifa and Rinoa) or watching her story ultimately wind up about getting together with the guy after her plot points are usually resolved early and shown she can't do anything without the lead male (Garnet and FFX Yuna) so I would say that Ashe is the serious curve ball of female heroines that the series really needed; and I am a bit sad she lost to basically a stock character we've seen already five times before her.

this

Psychotic
08-15-2017, 10:00 AM
At this point WK I am convinced you are saying as outlandish and strange things as you possibly can, just to see if you can say something so out there that even Fynn won't agree with you :p

Rinoa mistakenly loves Squall? Garner and Yuna can't do anything without Zidane and Tidus? Whaaaaat? Did we play the same games?

Yubel-Lover
08-15-2017, 10:03 AM
Late as always, but obviously Ashe

Fynn
08-15-2017, 10:12 AM
Check WK's top 100 to see that we do disagree sometimes :p

But yeah, this poll just drove the point home that XII has really flown over people's heads, even so many years later :(

Wolf Kanno
08-15-2017, 10:37 AM
At this point WK I am convinced you are saying as outlandish and strange things as you possibly can, just to see if you can say something so out there that even Fynn won't agree with you :p

Rinoa mistakenly loves Squall? Garner and Yuna can't do anything without Zidane and Tidus? Whaaaaat? Did we play the same games?

Rinoa basically falls in love with Squall at first sight and spends the majority of the game trying to get him out of his shell and into her pants, when she's not throwing tantrums at her father and the party or being kidnapped and/or possessed by Ultimecia.

Garnet asks Zidane to kidnap her, decides to go home anyway and do things herself, gets captured and hands over the big bad her latent summoning powers, has to be rescued, follows Zidane around until she is powerless to stop Kuja from killing her mother, becomes queen and almost loses her home, goes mute for most of Disc 3 until she decides its useless to do so and gets over it, and then follows Zidane around to stop his evil brother. Then she gets her happy ending when she finds out Zidane didn't actually die and she gets him into her pants.

Yuna meets Tidus and asks him to come along cause she knew his jerkass father, jeopardizes the Pilgrimage to humor Seymour and to bring him to justice for killing his father, despite none of this shit having anything to do with her, and drags her guardians into her scheme getting them all branded as heretics by the church and the enemies of an entire race of people. She gets kidnapped, twice. Forcing her guardians to have to cross a desert and nearly get killed with the rest of the Al Bhed, have to storm Bevelle for her dumb wedding which frankly never made sense as a plot point. Bangs Tidus because Auron is too sexy for her. She gets to Zanarkind, realizes the truth about the Pilgramge and kills the only person who has been able to do anything to even give people even a remote sense of hope in her world on the pretense that there is another way. Doesn't have a clue wjhat this "other way is" but conveniently Tidus does because he's a plot device, and it's using his plan and his knowledge of his old man that actually ends up saving Spira, not anything Yuna actually did.

Ashe on the other hand, loses her family, her husband, and her kingdom and instead of moping about it, or waiting for someone to help her, forms the Resistance, travels across Ivalice to rob her ancestral tombs, gains the magic artifact of doom, and instead of spending the whole game trying to keep it from the bad guys, she actually spends the whole game debating about using it on them.
She basically let's go of her anger and decides that her selfish desire for revenge would not do any good for her people by striking out on an "enemy" that is really just a few policy makers and not the people who make up their nation. Thus not starting an endless cycle of revenge and bad blood between two nations. She doesn't take the easy road of allying with Rozzario to have them help her restore her kingdom, though she would likely be a puppet queen for them in exchange; nor does she nuke Archades out of existence and build an empire of fear like her ancestor did so she would inevitably be a puppet Queen for the Occurians as well. She chose the path that would lead to the least amount of bloodshed and sorrow without having to have the writers bail her out. She got her kingdom backed because she happened to befriend Larsa, the future Emperor of Archades during the course of the game.

You're accusing me of saying outlandish things, and not playing these games, but seriously Psy, when was the last time you really played any of these games cause I feel like my memory is a bit better at the moment. ;)

Psychotic
08-15-2017, 10:45 AM
I'm only joking about outlandish things in case that was not obvious :p I freely admit to not having played IX in a loooong time, but the others I have within the past 2-3 years. XII I have not played since 2007 but I haven't really been taking too much of an issue with what you said about that as I'm pretty ignorant on it, I just remember finding it boring and uninspiring both gameplay wise and storywise, so you definitely picked up on more nuance than me. I will concede you will definitely have a fresher memory on them than me!

Jinx
08-15-2017, 10:48 AM
Garnet didn't hand over her eidolons. They were forcefully taken from her and she deals with that and the trauma of her failures until she's healed and stronger and does something. Her becoming queen can be seen as her trying to take control of her life but still not having dealt with all the incredibly troutty things that have happened to her, including a massive rape allegory.

She doesn't have to be saved, except perhaps physically. Emotionally she grows within. Zidane goes from being a dumb pervert to genuinely caring about her and helping in the ways he can because they're friends.

Like jfc, that does not mean she's boy crazy. It's not even until after you defeat the final boss that she gives any indication she has feelings for him.

And don't even get me started on Yuna.

You can like Ashe all you want and think she's the best female in the series, just stop troll spinning things to make other female character who are also strong and interesting seem troutty because it fits your narrative.

Fynn
08-15-2017, 10:52 AM
Welp, WK, looks like you've opened the box :p

maybee
08-15-2017, 05:01 PM
Rinoa basically falls in love with Squall at first sight

No she doesn't, that was just a fun dance between them. At that point in the game she had stronger feelings towards Seifer and wanted Seifer and when SeeD came to help out her rebel group she wanted Seifer to be there and was crushed when Seifer failed to become a SeeD.

It was SQUALL who fell for her straight away and it was SQUALL who had the tantrum after Rinoa walked away.




and spends the majority of the game trying to get him out of his shell and into her pants

Trying to help somebody close down his Pink Floyd Wall isn't trying to get into his pants. Rinoa finds Squall absolutely frustrating and a cold bastard at first. It's not till the parade where he says that he'll make sure that she will be alright that she begins to think different. Yes, she gave Squall a bit of a tease before their dance, but Squall was alone and in corner and drinking alone. She was trying to cheer him up. Before the parade she wanted Seifer and saw Squall as a annoying bastard that she had to stay with because of the deal she made with Cid and SeeD.

After the parade she stops crushing on Seifer and wondering about Seifer. Because she no longer has a crush on him and is more interested in Squall who showed some care and kindness towards her.




when she's not throwing tantrums at her father and the party or being kidnapped and/or possessed by Ultimecia.

Her father was a asshole who wanted to lock her up like a prisoner. She never throws a tantrum at the party. Speaking your emotions, feelings and fears is not throwing a tantrum. She gets smurfing annoyed and frustrated at CD 1 Squall, but like who wouldn't ? I love Squall, but at the start he's a smurfing wanker.

She's not a SeeD. She's just a naive and reckless teenaged girl. Everybody else has some decent army training, while Rinoa has been doing everything independent with no trainning. She's bound to mess up.

Also her becoming a puppet of Ulti is not her fault. Selphie and Quistis would've been protected by Edea because Edea was like a Mother to them, so Ulti's control had to go to the girl that she didn't know. Rinoa.




Garnet asks Zidane to kidnap her, decides to go home anyway and do things herself, gets captured and hands over the big bad her latent summoning powers,.

That's harsh on Garnet ! She doesn't "hand them over ", she again like Rinoa is naive and believes that there's some good still in her Mum. And Garnet was right as shown in Brahne's death. There was good in Brahne, she was just blinded and addicted to greed. It's not Garnet's fault for caring and being worried about her only parental figure in her life left alive. It's not her fault that Kuja puts her into coma and has her summons taken away from her by Zorn and Thorn.



follows Zidane around until she is powerless to stop Kuja from killing her mother, becomes queen and almost loses her home, goes mute for most of Disc 3 until she decides its useless to do so and gets over it

She becomes depressed because Kuja kills her Mother in front of her face and then smurfs up her kingdom again front of her face. Overcoming her depression and shock is pretty badass af. I know Garnet is a video game character, but TBH I've always wished that I was this strong. Strong as Garnet was here.




Then she gets her happy ending when she finds out Zidane didn't actually die and she gets him into her pants.

Before Zidane makes his surprising return she realizes that she has to move on and go on without Zidane. She was happy to see him alive, because she loved him. And she's allowed too. She was happy to see him alive and okay.




Yuna meets Tidus and asks him to come along cause she knew his jerkass father

Ashe on the other hand, loses her family, her husband, and her kingdom and instead of moping about it, or waiting for someone to help her, forms the Resistance, travels across Ivalice to rob her ancestral tombs, gains the magic artifact of doom, and instead of spending the whole game trying to keep it from the bad guys, she

Okay, what Jinx said here.


You can like Ashe all you want and think she's the best female in the series, just stop troll spinning things to make other female character who are also strong and interesting seem troutty because it fits your narrative.

Pumpkin
08-15-2017, 05:15 PM
So much elitism about opinions

Be careful, you'll scare the children!

Vermachtnis
08-15-2017, 08:07 PM
Fricken neckbeards arguing over which waifu is better.