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Wolf Kanno
12-14-2017, 06:53 PM
What are some games you like, that you also feel don't necessarily start off as well as it ends up? The type you have to put in a few hours before you'll really start to see the real appeal of the whole thing.

Psychotic
12-14-2017, 06:57 PM
Doki Doki Literature Club.

Jinx
12-14-2017, 07:38 PM
FFIX. My favorite Final Fantasy, second favorite game of all time. But let's be real--up until you leave Lindblum, that game is fucking DIRE. And the story doesn't really, really pick up until you meet Beatrix for the first time in Burmecia. So just, basically almost all of the first disc is pretty suck, which is a pretty hard sell, in my opinion.

KleinerKiller
12-14-2017, 07:39 PM
Undertale, since the clever writing and variety don't really kick in until after the Ruins, and the creeping darkness doesn't set in until much later.

NieR has a great opening scene, but it doesn't start to truly shine until Kaine comes in and the dysfunctional duo turns into a dysfunctional group. And then, of course, the rough halfway point starts to introduce what makes the game truly special.

SOMA is pretty standard sci-fi horror until you reach Site Theta and get your brain twisted up in a knot.

Freya
12-14-2017, 07:40 PM
FFIX. My favorite Final Fantasy, second favorite game of all time. But let's be real--up until you leave Lindblum, that game is fucking DIRE. And the story doesn't really, really pick up until you meet Beatrix for the first time in Burmecia. So just, basically almost all of the first disc is pretty suck, which is a pretty hard sell, in my opinion.

Oh.. I mean the first disc is my fav....

Sephex
12-14-2017, 07:53 PM
I'll usually tell this to newcomers of EarthBound. As much as I love the game, the first two towns do have a seemingly high difficulty curve for those who are unprepared for it. Once you get to the third town, the game starts to be more reasonable and most challenges are by design, unless you are over or under leveled.

Fynn
12-15-2017, 09:08 AM
The Witcher 1. Chapter 1 is kind of a slog (even if the locales are still very pretty to this day), but the game really picks up after that.

maybee
12-15-2017, 09:12 AM
Doki Doki Literature Club.


Oh hell yeah.

Karifean
12-16-2017, 07:40 PM
Pretty much everything, in my experience. But to give a concrete answer, Higurashi and Umineko. Umineko in particular, because holy fuck I swear the airport scene might be my least favorite scene in the entire novel and the story doesn't really pick up until the letter from the witch arrives. But it's all uphill from there~

Scruffington
12-16-2017, 08:03 PM
Dark Souls: The Thread.

Vyk
12-18-2017, 12:27 AM
For my money, it's Persona 5. Getting critically attacked to game-over screens on multiple occasions before being able to find or make persona capable of withstanding the attacks causing the problems. I've gotten the impression that my experience was rare. But if anyone else were to happen to get unlucky enough to get hit with 4 or 5 game over screens early on due to BS you can't predict, I can say it does get better. I doubt I'm even half way through the game these days and have persona immune to things or absorb things. And it is gratifying, but still rings kind of hollow do to how bitter my start was

Spuuky
12-18-2017, 06:19 AM
Dark Souls: The Thread.Dark Souls is great right away, though, and simply maintains that.

Example
12-18-2017, 03:22 PM
The World Ends With You, the first chapter is by far the worst part of the game and it starts picking up afterwards.

Also Kingdom Hearts 2 and Twilight Princess had really bad beginnings that seemed to last forever.

Fynn
12-18-2017, 03:32 PM
The World Ends With You, the first chapter is by far the worst part of the game and it starts picking up afterwards.

Also Kingdom Hearts 2 and Twilight Princess had really bad beginnings that seemed to last forever.

Iím one of those people that think the KHII prologue is really cool, or even one of the best parts of the game. Now, the first Kingdom Gearts is another beast entirely. Putting the worst three world at the beginning doesnít earn the game any favors. All the later worlds are way more fun, thankfully.

Scruffington
12-18-2017, 07:42 PM
Dark Souls: The Thread.Dark Souls is great right away, though, and simply maintains that.

Nah.

The beauty of the Dark Souls trilogy is pushing yourself past the feeling of being uncomfortable. When you do that, you can truly appreciate how great their worlds are.

I had to give Dark Souls 1 about 6 different chances before I finally pushed through and discovered how wonderful of a game it was. Same as Dark Souls 3.

You don't get that feeling of appreciation right away.

Example
12-19-2017, 01:29 PM
The World Ends With You, the first chapter is by far the worst part of the game and it starts picking up afterwards.

Also Kingdom Hearts 2 and Twilight Princess had really bad beginnings that seemed to last forever.

I’m one of those people that think the KHII prologue is really cool, or even one of the best parts of the game. Now, the first Kingdom Gearts is another beast entirely. Putting the worst three world at the beginning doesn’t earn the game any favors. All the later worlds are way more fun, thankfully.

You find doing chores around town for three hours cool? Also Atlantica is by far the worst world in every Kingdom Hearts game, nothing else comes close.

Fynn
12-19-2017, 01:39 PM
You really donít have to do those mini games for as long as the game tells you. And itís pretty much the only part of the game where the story is interesting, especially if you played CoM (which has the best narrative in the entire series, I might add)

Example
12-19-2017, 03:42 PM
You really don’t have to do those mini games for as long as the game tells you. And it’s pretty much the only part of the game where the story is interesting, especially if you played CoM (which has the best narrative in the entire series, I might add)

If you're playing it for the first time and want to sit through every cutscene then yes you do.

Wolf Kanno
12-19-2017, 07:42 PM
The Persona series in general, while P5 isn't quite as bad as the others, the first five games can take awhile to really get into the thick of things. Not that P5 doesn't have it's own issues on the matter with the hand holding. This is kind of surprising since the rest of the franchise is usually pretty quick about jumping you into the game as quick as possible with the exception of SMTIV.

I'll second the Souls series, though in my experience, Demon's Souls was harder to get into initially, whereas I knew what to expect getting into Dark Souls. Bloodborne also had some early pains as you had to kind of relearn the rhythm of the game with the alterations to combat and needing to item manage again.

Generally, any game made by Yasumi Matsuno, while his openings are not too bad, I feel most people would agree the "hook" moment comes a little ways in. Like the ends of Chapter 1 in Tactics Ogre and FFTactics. XII picks up once you meet up with Basch, Tactics Advance doesn't pick up until you find the first crystal.

I'll second The World Ends With You, the first chapter is kind of rough up until you deal with Beat and Rhyme, then it slowly gets better before the second week changes everything.

I will also second Kingdom Hearts 1, as Destiny Island is a bit of a chore, and the first couple of worlds are kind of boring until Aladdin. If I didn't have the cast of TWEWY being the focus, I was honestly dreading going back to Traverse Town in Dream Drop Distance. While Kingdom Hearts in general is pretty bad about tutorial intros, I didn't mind KH2s due to Roxas being a more engaging and interesting character than Sora and the events he dealt with in the beginning being far more interesting than Sora's actual story, gameplay issues aside.

Assassin's Creed is pretty guilty of this as well. I think Revelations is still the only entry I've played where I wasn't kind of bored at some point in the beginning.

Slothy
12-19-2017, 11:44 PM
Add me to the liked KH2's opening crowd. I actually liked the parts with Roxas in the beginning far more than I liked the rest of the game. I do blame that in large part on the fact that I didn't have a GBA and hadn't played CoM. It's actually the thing that made me ditch the series entirely since it was clear I'd basically have to own every system and play every game to know what the hell was going on. I could forgive the bit of confusion at the beginning with Roxas since I thought the game would make a lot more sense in relation to what I knew of the story from the first game as it went along, and him generally being a just plain better character than Sora, but once it became obvious why I was so confused I never looked back at the series again.

Pike
12-20-2017, 01:37 PM
I think it takes a while for Dragon Age: Origins to pick up.

Example
12-20-2017, 03:37 PM
The Persona series in general, while P5 isn't quite as bad as the others, the first five games can take awhile to really get into the thick of things. Not that P5 doesn't have it's own issues on the matter with the hand holding. This is kind of surprising since the rest of the franchise is usually pretty quick about jumping you into the game as quick as possible with the exception of SMTIV.

I'll second the Souls series, though in my experience, Demon's Souls was harder to get into initially, whereas I knew what to expect getting into Dark Souls. Bloodborne also had some early pains as you had to kind of relearn the rhythm of the game with the alterations to combat and needing to item manage again.

Generally, any game made by Yasumi Matsuno, while his openings are not too bad, I feel most people would agree the "hook" moment comes a little ways in. Like the ends of Chapter 1 in Tactics Ogre and FFTactics. XII picks up once you meet up with Basch, Tactics Advance doesn't pick up until you find the first crystal.

I'll second The World Ends With You, the first chapter is kind of rough up until you deal with Beat and Rhyme, then it slowly gets better before the second week changes everything.

I will also second Kingdom Hearts 1, as Destiny Island is a bit of a chore, and the first couple of worlds are kind of boring until Aladdin. If I didn't have the cast of TWEWY being the focus, I was honestly dreading going back to Traverse Town in Dream Drop Distance. While Kingdom Hearts in general is pretty bad about tutorial intros, I didn't mind KH2s due to Roxas being a more engaging and interesting character than Sora and the events he dealt with in the beginning being far more interesting than Sora's actual story, gameplay issues aside.

Assassin's Creed is pretty guilty of this as well. I think Revelations is still the only entry I've played where I wasn't kind of bored at some point in the beginning.

I played AC2 for like an hour before quitting. All I remember was being forced to do a bunch of menial crap i.e catching feathers for a little girl (under a time limit of course) that didn't involve actually assassinating anyone. I haven't played a single AC since then.

Loony BoB
12-21-2017, 02:28 PM
Story-wise, FFXIV. Definitely. The story for A Realm Reborn was boring for me. The stories for the two expansions were awesome.