Chris Pratt Attacked

[Mercen-X]

So some MCU alums got together for a political discussion and Chris Pratt is being torn into for not being among those present (newsflash, he wasn't the only absentee). Chris Pratt has chosen to remain impartial it seems and Twitter fiends deem this unacceptable. "Silence is violence." Film at 11.

Detractors are dragging Pratt's name through the mud because he is Christian. No other confirmed opinion on politics or rights or LGBTQ but they're labeling him sexist, racist, and homophobic anyway. They claim his church supports conversion therapy, which is a gross mutilation of the truth. The founder of his church supported conversion therapy, but the church itself has long since disavowed the practice.

RDJ, Zoe Saldana, James Gunn, and Mark Ruffalo all came to Pratt's defense, speaking to his character. Each was summarily shredded by Twits who labeled them, used racial slurs and death threats, and complained that no Marvel alum came to the defense of earlier criticisms of Brie Larson.

The difference being that while Pratt has literally said nothing and done nothing to warrant these attacks, Brie got openly political... and when you platform, it invites criticism.

But Twits won't see it this way. It's their way or the highway. Twitter cancel culture.

Personally, this is where my politics begins and ends... with the demand for celebs to stop cowtowing to Twits (also stop frequenting, shut it down, go somewhere else), the demand that Twitter be shutdown as it has long since become dominated by clear and present internet trolls, and the suggestion that every Twit who ever levied a death threat be rounded up into internment camps. But that's just political opinion. What's your position?

[JJ Strife]

The twitterati have sniffed out the fact that he's (probably) conservative or libertarian. That's sacrilege in hollywood. They want the actors to appear to be super progessive (which most of them naturally are anyway, as most people in "the arts" are), because it's very helpful in distracting attention from the fact that it's the most capitalist and unequal place in the entire country.

It's a lot easier to wheel out some actors to explain that climate change and racism are bad, instead of actually changing their own local economy to help benefit more people instead of just a tiny handful of super millionaires and billionaires.

[maybee]

Fuck Cancel Culture.

[Fynn]

Guys, it was a dumb little poll and the MCU actors responded immediately with a passionate defense, while the women and POC who had been openly harassed and sent death threats before got next to zero support. I fail to see how Pratt is in any danger here just because a couple people pointed out some skeevy things, but I certainly think they’re justified in pointing out this injustice. Like sure, cancel culture is a thing that can get out of hand but where were all these passionate defenders on the internet when it was Brie Larson, Emily Osment or Anthony Mackie got super harassed. Yeah, actual death threats are something you just have to deal with but losing a twitter poll on the worst Chris and people pointing out some stuff they think are problematic? We have to protect the rich white dude whose career is in no way jeopardized by this!


Guys, grow up. Seriously.

[Slothy]

Pretending that the rich, white man is being cancelled because some people online are upset that he's a fan of alt right talking heads and supports a church with a questionable history are laughable. Everyone will forget in a week or two and his career won't suffer one iota.

Criticism isn't cancellation kids. And some people aren't objectively bad enough and are white enough, rich enough, and equipped with the right genetalia to suffer no real consequences.

Also not the least bit surprised by the resident sexist not passing up an opportunity to take another swipe at Brie Larson. Because how dare a woman actually speak about their politics instead of doing what the rich white men do by exercising their privilege of staying silent because politics don't actually negatively impact them at all and they don't care enough how politics affect the vulnerable to use their platform to help.

[Karifean]

Just another day.

[Del Murder]

My thoughts and prayers are with Mr. Pratt and his family as he recovers from this brutal attack.

[maybee]

Brie Larson, Emily Osment or Anthony Mackie got super harassed.

I'm not big on these movies so I can't really say, but I have seen Brie support around. Emily and Anthony I can't really say for sure. "Who are these people ?" Patrick Star moment.



Yeah, actual death threats are something you just have to deal with


What the smurf Fynn.

[Lord Golbez]

You know he's being sarcastic and mocking the absurdity of Mercen-X's position, right?

[Freya]

Brie Larson, Emily Osment or Anthony Mackie got super harassed.

I'm not big on these movies so I can't really say, but I have seen Brie support around. Emily and Anthony I can't really say for sure. "Who are these people ?" Patrick Star moment.



Yeah, actual death threats are something you just have to deal with


What the smurf Fynn.

I didn't realize Emily Osment was in MCU? but Anthony Mackie is Falcon. He's with Captain America usually from Captain 2 on.

[Slothy]

She's not in the MCU. Maybe meant Elizabeth Olsen?

[Fynn]

I did mean Elizabeth and holy shit yes I was mocking, Jesus Christ

[Miriel]

Personally, this is where my politics begins and ends... with the demand for celebs to stop cowtowing to Twits (also stop frequenting, shut it down, go somewhere else), the demand that Twitter be shutdown as it has long since become dominated by clear and present internet trolls, and the suggestion that every Twit who ever levied a death threat be rounded up into internment camps.

LMAOOOO. :lol:

[Fynn]

Hey guys remember how Chris Pratt’s career ended and the slander on his name has never stopped in the past two weeks

[Slothy]

To this day people still tell the tales.





Personally, this is where my politics begins and ends... with the demand for celebs to stop cowtowing to Twits (also stop frequenting, shut it down, go somewhere else), the demand that Twitter be shutdown as it has long since become dominated by clear and present internet trolls, and the suggestion that every Twit who ever levied a death threat be rounded up into internment camps.

LMAOOOO. :lol:

You know I didn't even read that far into the OP originally because why bother but jesus christ what an absurd thing to say. Now I want to know if he's serious about wanting to genocide twitter users.

[Lord Golbez]

Hey guys remember how Chris Pratt’s career ended and the slander on his name has never stopped in the past two weeks

Get with the program Fynn, it's Johnny Depp who's been wronged now.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

You know I didn't even read that far into the OP originally because why bother but jesus christ what an absurd thing to say. Now I want to know if he's serious about wanting to genocide twitter users.

I don't know if you'll ever find out because OP hasn't come forward with some generous back and forth dialogue.

The current trend is:

1. Create a thread
2. Get absolutely dumpstered in the replies
3. Don't respond
4. Create new topic about a thing 3 people on Twitter are mad about

[Mercen-X]

Now I want to know if he's serious about wanting to genocide twitter users.



Personally, this is where my politics begins and ends... with the demand for celebs to stop cowtowing to Twits (also stop frequenting, shut it down, go somewhere else), the demand that Twitter be shutdown as it has long since become dominated by clear and present internet trolls, and the suggestion that every Twit who ever levied a death threat be rounded up into internment camps. American internment camps were used to separate Japanese citizens from the general populace during World War II because the government was not willing to trust they may be spies. Now if I had said Concentration Camp, I could see how you would misunderstand my intent. Of course, it wouldn't surprise me if you were, in fact, intentionally misrepresenting my statement. Also, your choice of terminology is impossible as genocide would imply the end of a people but Twits are like cockroaches can never be ended. A better choice of words would have been simply "mass murder."

Also, Lone, you're right, it is the trend. It's the kind of thing Twits do all of the time. Only contrarywise, I don't drop in my statements in a place where I can easily turn off the comments if I don't like what people have to say.

Why don't you people find something useful to do rather than dogpiling your "witty rapport" into my threads?

[Mr Gashtacular]

fuck. i think i need a new sig already

[Del Murder]

I mean, this is a thread about Chris Pratt and Twitter. 'Finding something useful to do' has kinda gone out the window from the start.

[Slothy]

Why don't you people find something useful to do rather than dogpiling your "witty rapport" into my threads?

Why don't you stop having opinions like that anyone should be put in internment camps? Personally I think crimes against humanity are bad.

[Jessweeee♪]

uh.

[Lord Golbez]

Why don't you people find something useful to do rather than dogpiling your "witty rapport" into my threads?

No.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I don't drop in my statements in a place where I can easily turn off the comments if I don't like what people have to say.

It's actually pretty easy to block forum users you don't want to interact with.

Is there anything else you'd like to be wrong about?

[Vyk]

Seems like it could have been a learning experience with good dialog on both sides, but nobody wanted that. Don't be too quick to chase people away. That's how you create Trump supporters and people who are scared of the left. We used to have some good conservatives in here and real discussions of differing opinions without getting nasty. Unfortunately they didn't like how liberal the whole place was and eventually gave up and moved on. Personally I think a lot of problems with politics currently is everyone is in an echo chamber and not willing to let anyone else speak, let alone try to understand where they are coming from. Pardon the whiskey talking, but I can disagree with Merc, and hope some of his comments were hyperbole, and not hate him for it. But take my ramblings with a grain of salt. I'm pretty liberal myself and even I feel out of place sometimes

[Del Murder]

For one, I don't hate Merc. I appreciate him a lot. These are some interesting threads! We mess around with him because, hey, it was a topic about Chris Pratt and Twitter, after all. Not exactly the same level of political discussion as, say, separating immigrant children from their families or trying to keep minorities from voting. If you very seriously care about celebrity tweets then you need to rethink your priorities.

Now as for 'creating Trump supporters', I cry foul on that one. Trump supporters are not created by EoFF The Lounge threads. Pretty sure that if you come here to gripe about people being called out for having silly conservative views, you've already made your choice. Trump supporters were indeed created by the echo chambers, but not the ones you think. A massive conservative propaganda machine and broken education system are responsible for this wonderful country we live in now.

[Quindiana Jones]

Del, I think we both know that 90% of the 74 million Trump voters are active EoFF forum-goers.

[Spuuky]

Donald Trump himself used to post here, under the account Super Millionaire.

[Vyk]

Lol I'll blame the alcohol but the way the thread derailed I guess I felt like it was in Lifestream and not Lounge. But I'll definitely concede. You make a valid set of points and are likely more right than myself; and appreciate the follow-up humor. Love you guys

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

I'll have you know I treat a thread basically called "White people attacked for being white: Part 37" with the level of seriousness and contemplation it deserves in a television and movie subforum.

[Lord Golbez]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Karifean]

Personally, I find it the most meaningful trait of a person whether they find reasons and justifications to act as insulting assholes because they like doing so, or whether they just don't, because they don't like doing so. Politics is one of the most prominent 'reasons' for it these days it seems. It easily controls people with a joy for hurting others to self-righteously gang up on someone and have a blast picking on them, even better if it's in a group. On anyone who makes a convenient target for it. Be that a minority or majority. It's actually interesting to see how the internet turned things a bit so now majorities make just as convenient targets for it - or even moreso - than minorities. But I do hope political alignment ends up more meaningful than whether you have your fun hurting one group or the other. Practically, I mean, not in theory. I don't want to hear whose rights you support while all you actually do is use them and their suffering as weapons to have your own fun ganging up on others.

Regardless of political alignment, having joy or no joy at hurting others is the most consistent thing I found in people. I never see people who love hurting others passing up a super convenient opportunity to do so. Without fail, it happens, every time. There's always 'reasons to do so' for them, and never 'reasons not to do so'. And when challenged, there's always 'reasons why it's not that bad' and never 'reasons why it may actually be that bad'. This Chris Pratt thing too just feels like two camps of these kinds of assholes trying to hurt each other. Nothing less, nothing more. "Just another day," in the end. But then it got brought back up because convenient opportunities are impossible to pass up on, I suppose.

[Slothy]

Calling out bad takes for being bad takes isn't the same as taking joy in hurting people just for the sake of hurting them. Particularly when said bad takes can lead to justifying actual harm. I do not have fun constantly feeling the need to challenge bad ideas. It's frustrating and exhausting. But it also needs to be done.

[Freya]

The common complaint I hear is that if someone is in a minority opinion we should ignore it instead of opposing it because there is a perception of "bullying". This is not okay. Without challenging problematic commentary, they are left to think it's acceptable and spread the commentary to more impressionable people more often. You're not arguing or disputing for the person set in their ways, you're doing so for the audience. If troubling ideals are left without a response, the audience will more likely accept it.

Just cause it's an unpopular opinion and many think so, doesnt mean that it's not still problematic and needs refuting. Telling people they shouldn't comment because others already have just silences more people. Every voice is valid, even if it's similar in nature to others already spoken.


In this case it's just silly celeb news but it has underlying problems

[Karifean]

I don't think there's any point in challenging these 'reasons' of yours because they're as replaceable as your targets. Instead I can only reiterate what I said before: people who like hurting others will always find reasons and justifications to do so. And that's exactly what happened, I called it so precisely that even I hate it. Finding reasons not to do so? Was never going to happen. Finding reasons as for why it may actually be bad despite justifications? Nope. Making the conscious decision not to post, or even posting against the dogpiling, because you do have some lingering aversion to hurting people? Definitive no, never ever.

And in regards to refuting, it's not like you even did any refuting. The refutation in this thread ever since its revival has amounted to "lol". Even if I wanted to learn anything from this conversation, to actually broaden my perspective, there is nothing to learn from. Or what, is "crimes against humanity are bad" meant to be a novel take that really broadens my horizons? And if you count this as 'refutations' instead of 'having a laugh at someone's expense', then I don't think there ever will be anything to learn in the future, either.

And seriously, it's hard to believe you're "forcing yourself to do it despite not wanting to" or "doing it for the audience" when you just as much do so in a discord channel you're both free to enter and not enter as you wish (and apparently go into semi-daily) where the potential 'audience to convince' is nowhere to be found or in special cases even outright banned, to keep all your enjoyment of pointing and laughing at dumb takes on the internet safe and secure in your gang. Yeah no, that's not how someone who finds this frustrating and exhausting, or is doing this for anyone other than themselves, acts.

I'm not sure if you're just lying to me knowingly, or if you're in denial yourself, but any 'audience' there is for this thread - like me I guess - will take one look at this thread and see people ganging up on a convenient target. At best they'll learn to keep silent about certain viewpoints, not because they're actually bad, but because they paint a target on you for the gang to pile on against. Everything I say is surely so blatantly obvious to people on the outside. There is no other way you can actually read this thread and see it as 'refutations and challenges of bad ideas'. Even Vyk - a member of the audience you probably imagine - immediately read it as dogpiling in his first post in here, and everyone like him who doesn't post will surely go on seeing it like that. Does that not bother you if your goal is to convince the audience?

[Freya]

Soooo people should just sit in silence cause you perceive it as "bullying" and "dogpiling" that their commentary is unimportant because oh no, a person is getting replied to already.

Nah. You still wont convince me karifean that remaining silent is the better option. Even you aren't doing that.

[Karifean]

Soooo people should just sit in silence cause you perceive it as "bullying" and "dogpiling" that their commentary is unimportant because oh no, a person is getting replied to already.

Nah. You still wont convince me karifean that remaining silent is the better option. Even you aren't doing that.

Wasn't this about the goal of the audience watching being convinced rather than the participants' individual rights irrespective of any audience? Well, anyways.

Not because I perceive it as that, because it *is* that. If it's only my own perception then hell no I don't expect you to cater to that. But - is it truly only mine? You can tell the difference between "having fun jabbing at someone at their expense" and "commentary with value" I trust, so please show me how this is absolutely the latter, and definitely not the former. Ideally also taking into consideration that some things, if meant genuinely, are better voiced in PMs so as to not intentionally publicly humiliate who you're talking to if that's truly not what you're aiming for. That's how we get on the same page in the first place. And if you do, then I'll learn something from it as well which I'd welcome. So please.

Honestly I don't think many people participating in here even have any illusions over what this is. This is a whole bunch of people having fun at the expense of a convenient target. Nothing less, nothing more. I probably wouldn't have spoken up if people at least owned that that's what they're doing. Tbh it was Del's post primarily that made me decide to post myself at all. Part of why I appreciate people like Jinx more and more these days lol...

[Spuuky]

people who like hurting others will always find reasons and justifications to do soThis is true. That is why it is good to ridicule the people who say bad things, so that other people who might say bad things instead do not. The goal isn't to convince anyone, because no one can be convinced, as per your own beliefs.

In short, the goal is public humiliation, because that is how social pressure works and has always worked, for the entirety of human history; people will always want to do bad things, so you make the cost of doing bad things high enough that they don't. You don't try to convince them that those things are bad; by the time they are adults, they already know that or they will never learn.

If he, you, or anyone else was going to learn something here, they would have done it long ago from the large body of work in which these issues have been seriously discussed. They didn't. They won't. No amount of reasoning (again) will explain how power dynamics and privilege work, for instance.

[Slothy]

There's a certain irony to complaining about "bullying" when once upon a time the same person said it was fine for someone to lie about me and accuse me of believing horrific things I've never believed or expressed because I "deserved it." Something they did immediately after complaining about disagreement being bullying back then too.

Hypocrisy is a hell of a drug yo.

[Shauna]

Okay. I think this thread has run its course.

Chris Pratt is doing just fine after the horrific attacks, which is something we're all happy for.