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Yunie07

05-04-2003, 05:55 AM

Ok, here is my opinion on FFX-2! :choc:

FFX-2 has brought many different opinions to the minds of FFX fans. Some say, “They should have just left it at that, and not made a direct sequel.” Others say, “I love the idea of FFX-2! It keeps you wanting more, and gives you the chance to reunite with some of the old characters!” Whatever your opinion may be, there will be an FFX-2. As far as myself can say, I am ecstatic about the release of FFX-2! In other words, I can’t wait until it comes out! I really love the idea about it! I also love the fact that the FFX ending gave a 2-way street to the creation of FFX-2. What I’m saying is, if they wanted to leave FFX at that, and not bother with a direct sequel, they could have. Although, it also has the type of ending that makes it where easily, there could be a direct sequel to it. I love that about it. Another thing I love about it, is that FFX and FFX-2 have completely different plots and story-lines, so it’s not like the same thing happening twice. As far as the characters, I simply love what they have done to them. Yuna’s new look is awesome! I love the whole “bad girl” theme. Some say they like “Summoner Yuna” better, as opposed to “Gunner Yuna”. Personaly, I like the idea of Gunner Yuna. This new reputation for Yuna, let’s people and fans know that there is no more of a nice, sweet, and innocent girl, but more of a bad ass, stay out of my way type of girl. Rikku’s new look is also very cute. I can’t wait to see what happens in the game! I am on the edge of my seat trying to put the pieces together. I’m one of the people who does not like surprises. Therefore, I love spoilers, and I love to know what happens before I beat it, or pass it. I don’t know why I’m that way. It’s just the way I am. So, I’ve been trying to find out as much information possible about FFX-2, but I haven’t found very much. I don’t think they want to give away much more of their information to us. That’s okay though. Even though I’m getting the game right when it comes out, another gamer friend of mine is sure to beat it before I do, and I will just bribe the ending out of them! (lol) Well that’s what I think about FFX-2. Please respect my opinions as I would yours! And, you are welcome to post a reply and let everyone else know what you think of FFX-2! :D

ZeZipster

05-04-2003, 06:09 AM

Call her Yuna Croft, instead of "Gunner Yuna", please. Why exactly is a scarf and bikini cute? It's actually rather stupid and annoying. I've asked my self these question several times when thinking about FFX-2:

Why is their no males?
Why are the females wearing less cloths?
Why is Yuna so utterly out of character?
Why do they have costumes all the sudden?

The answer to these questions, as far as I can see, is that Square wants cash. It's like they'd go Hentai but that'd ruin their reputation so they go as far as they can with out losing some of their kid/teen players in places like America/England (I've been told that apparantly the Japanese have a different set of morals, hentai/porn is supposed to be more accepted there)

I think I'll some up my thought by quoting my previous statements:

Oh-yes, and by the way- Japanese culture is different from American. Just because the Japanese love a game doesn't mean America or the UK will. Maybe they like flexible characters who are in one game subtle-shy and in other game half-naked and wielding two guns which, by the trailers, don't seem to have a limit on ammo. If they wanted a shooter than they should have brought in a new character not give the subtle one a make-over.
Character designer 1: Hmmmm, recently I've been intriqued by guns we should make a shooter in this sequel.
Character designer 2: But won't that require effort?
Character designer 1: Your right let's just mess Yuna up.
Character designer 3: Yeah! Screw the loyal Yuna-likers she needs to show some skin!

When square makes a descrete character half naked they're doing that to attract males or the opposite sex of what Yuna is. They're selling her. They're taking her out of character to attract males. HOW FREAKING BLUNTLY DO I NEED TO SAY THAT BEFORE YOU PEOPLE GET IT? It's like they're killing who she was so they can make a profit out of any dolt who'll buy a game because it has a hot-chick on the cover. It wouldn't bug me if they'd of made a new shooter.

What logic is behind the authors of the game deciding to change Yuna entirely instead of creating a Yuna-look alike or Shooter-person? Why did they make her change from subtle-summoner to Yuna Croft (nickname stolen from some FF news site)? It doesn't make since and it's not cultural, it's greedy. As far as I can see it's pure greed. -Cloths + guns = more buys (I had a much better equation involving squaring body parts, but that one seems stupid to me now).

I'm sorry, I don't remember Square ever trying to create a sequel to any other FF except for X and in the sequel the clothing is not the thing that matters, It's the fact that Squares taking the characters they made out of character. They made Yuna subtle and now she's Yuna Croft, complete with guns, skin, and ass. It's not the fact that Yuna is wearing these things, It's that she defies all logic Square provided in X by doing so. Had Yuna kept her old cloths now one would complain about Rikkus or Paines cloths, because they're still in character. Square changed Yuna to sell. That pisses me off.
and the latest:
Ok, I'm fine with the idea of them making more obscene characters. But guess what, they've taking it to far, you can't have some one who was portrayed as subtle and shy and then half naked in the sequel the change is to dramatic. They are selling her. They could have made an entirely nude shooter I wouldn't give a shit. The fact that they decided to take Yuna and change her to the EXACT opposite of what she was pisses me off. She went from a staff to two GUNS. WHAT? HOW THE HELL!? I never saw any dark magician or summoner in any game whip out two pistols and fire off rounds like their is no limit on ammo! NEVER.

I do have evidence. Three girls walking around changing cloths every battle. No male characters from all the previews I've seen. Although I'm fairly sure I wouldn't want to see in male characters in this one.

Some people just aren't bothered. They can't imagine why people are so upset by this. I have respect for the classics thats why, Square could have just as easily made a continuation of 10 with Yuna wearing cloths. Maybe it's because I've been a Final Fantasy fan since 7 and realize they could have just as easily ruined Aeris by taking her out of character to make a profit.

Psychotic

05-04-2003, 04:15 PM

Ze, as he doesn't like to be called, is a genius. We should all bow down to him.

Although I have never played it, I currently hate FFX-2. Why? because Square is so blatantly embarassed by it's heritage.

Final Fantasy X:

No World map

"Oooh, it's more realistic!" Yeah, right. But I tolerated this.

No Levelling up

"It's customisable!" No, no it isn't. But I tolerated this too.

A Direct sequel.

"I wuv Yuna! she is soooo kewl!" Yes, and the idea is moronic, but still, I tolerate this.

Female main character

"It's a step in a new direction" Be that as it may, Squsre is still trying to shake off it's heritage, but still, I tolerate it.

A Job-like system with no Dragoons.

At this point, my patience snapped. Just what the hell is wrong with Squaresoft? They've taken out jobs that have been there from the start, and from FF3 and FF5. Yes, there would have been a lot, but frankly some of the ones they took out is just sheer stupidity.

No Dragoons, No Red Mages, No Monks, no Geomancers(I'd like to add they were there from FF3 you anti-geomancers you!)

And what are they replaced by? Gunners? What the hell is the tactical advantage of a gunner? It shoots things? Is that it? And then a Dark Gunner? oh no, the bullets are going to be dark! OK, I just learned that they can learn enemy skills. So they are basiclally Blue Mages. So why not call them Blue Mages? No wait, that's not "kewl" enough for Square.

There was only one good new job class, which is Songstress/Popstar, because it combines elements of Dancer and Bard, which makes two weaker classes a bit better.

And have a look at Rikku (http://www.ffinsider.net/ffx2/pix/blackmage.jpg) as a Black Mage. That's no Black Mage!

THIS:http://www.finalfantasyfive.com/bartz/blackmage.gif is a Black Mage. Yes, it does look like Vivi... But surely Rikku can't change into one of those? Oh yeah? THIS:http://www.finalfantasyfive.com/reina/bare.gif is Reina, a nice girl from FFV. She can become a black mage at will, thus:http://www.finalfantasyfive.com/reina/blackmage.gif All characters from FFV can, so why can't Rikku do it? I'll tell you why. It's because Square is embarassed of it's heritage.

I will buy FFX-2 certainly, but currently it is only because it is a Final Fantasy. Yes, that is the wrong reason to buy it, so what?

Prodigy

05-04-2003, 05:44 PM

Times change, but it seems that a lot of hardened fans don't.

I'm willing to give it a go.

It doesn't always have to be the way it was. If everything was like this then we'd still be living in caves and dragging our women around by the feet (maybe some still do...that's their choice...)

All I see in FFX-2 is some very nice looking women in appealing clothing. Square have never made a FF game that I didn't enjoy so I don't see why this will be any different.

It'll be DIFFERENT, but it'll be great - I imagine.

I'm willing to give it a chance before I draw up an opinion.

Also, shouldn't this be in the FFX-2 forum?

Yunie07

05-04-2003, 08:27 PM

Yes, sorry about it not being in the FFX-2 forums, I just wanted to see some opinions from the old fans. Aparently alot of people are annoyed by "clothing". Not me though. Yes they want to make money, but imagine yourself in their position. Wouldn't you? Alot will be different, but as a FF fan, I've decided to keep an optimistic view on FFX-2.

Another thing. With the way people dress now days, I consider the way Yuna and Rikku look, "normal". Yes, it's a little trashy, but that's not for me to decide. I also think there change of attitude is due to the new theme of the game as opposed to their new looks.

PhoenixAsh

05-04-2003, 11:39 PM

ZeZipster what on Earth are you talking about? Square are not idiots, they didn't design the game specifically to make money from barely clothed females. It's simple logic:

Sex has sold for a long time, Square have never relied on it in FFs before, do you really think they would start using the ONLY FF that is specifically aimed at people who are already fans of the series?
Even if Square were that stupid why would they expect people to buy games based on that? If you want bare ladies there are far cheaper and more realistic ways to do it. It takes a lot of money to make a video game, I think they'd have thought it through.
As for Yuna changing, well as far as plot goes it would be completely ridiculous if she'd stayed the same after losing her love, her faith, been thrown into a huge position of power, went undercover, lost her main form of attack, had everything she'd been brought up to believe in taken away from her.....

I agree with Psychotic almost entirely, though I think Black Mages should be allowed to dress how they like. Simply because, why shouldn't they?

My only problem with FFX so far is that they picked two of the worst characters in FFX to keep and dumped all the good ones, including the only decent female.
That and that many FFs deserve sequels far more than FFX.

Yunie07

05-05-2003, 12:37 AM

I agree with Phoenix 17. Square are no idiots. I think all of the pesimistic people will be very suprised when the FFX-2 comes out. Although, neither one of us (The people who think of it optimisticly or the people who think of it pesismisticly) can really say anything regarding the game altogether yet, until we play it. Don't you agree? This game will be big, and I don't think Square is stupid enough to screw it over. I also don't think it has anything to do with sexuality.

PS- One thing I do not like about the idea of FFX-2 the idea of Yuna having guns. At first I was like, "Oh, cool! That's gonna be awesome!" but then I got to thinking... Is the whole deal with the guns going to loose the theme and atmosphere of what the FF games are suppost to be about? Swordes, and Staffs, and magic.... but.... guns? Maybe it will be okay. We can only wait and see.

~Laura :choc:

Yunie07

05-05-2003, 12:48 AM

ZeZipster, you asked these questions earlier, and I think I may have an idea of some of the answers, but forgive me if I'm wrong.

The first question you asked was, "why are there no males?" Honestly, I don't know. There may be deeper into the game, just not as main characters. Plus, there's been games with no females before, so what's the difference?

You asked, "why are the femails wearing less clothes?" This could be one of two reasons. One, which I think is the reason, is because of the fans. Yuna has a new attitude, and there has to ways to show it. Also, there will be jumping in this game, remember? It's kind of hard to do that with a skirt. Two, so it will not be as boring, and the characters all look the same. It's kind of like they've "grown up" in a way. (and it's not like they're naked)

Another thing you asked was "Why is Yuna so utterly out of character?" This, I think, is because of the new game plot. No matter what, FFX-2 is not like FFX. It has a completely different goal and theme to it. Yuna has developed a new character to contour with the new way of the game. That much I know.

And I'm not really sure about the reason they have costumes all of sudden, but I'm sure there is one. I hope I could answer atleast one of your questions. Thank you for replying :D

~Laura

Blackmage

05-05-2003, 04:00 PM

What it all boils down to is profits.

How many of you who have played Devil May Cry and thought it was one of the best games ever, then went out to get DMC2 and was thoroughly disappointed? Those of you who did, myself included, were all suckered into buying a crappy game because of the reputation of the game before it. It's probably going to be the same story with FFX-2.

Prodigy

05-05-2003, 07:40 PM

Thing is though - Square haven't made a bad FF imo. I enjoyed all the ones I've played so it's not like they're new to this sort of thing. They know what they're doing.

Yes of course it's financially driven (this sequel) but it's still Square!

ZeZipster

05-05-2003, 08:55 PM

Fantasy is Fantasy, Guns are reality, that's the facts. When Cloud kicked some bodies ass with a huge metal blade that normally nobody could hold it was fantasy, in reality we all know he'd be dead if he took on a soldier that's why it was a fantasy, a Final Fantasy. Now when Yuna holds a gun and shoots some body, even if that bullet has dark energy or what ever it's reality... It's gone from entertaining fantasy to insane reality.

Square is trying to be different, and I'm getting really pissed at them. I have nothing to look forward to. Why, because I don't play MMORPGs. I don't play games that are called RPGs when their really just a Action game that's a sequel to an RPG.

Why Square, WHY!? Are they going insane???? Nobody asked for an MMORPG, and any body who did could have gotten Everquest... Square doesn't need to be different that's what I liked about Square, I like random battles, I liked fanfare, and heck I had grown adjusted to square hands by the end of FF7... Maybe I'll rent X-2, maybe I'll buy FF11, chances are though I'll stop playing Squaresofts games for a while and just play what ever RPG is decent.

Prodigy

05-05-2003, 09:20 PM

Have you even played the other Final Fantasies?

GUNS:

FF7 - Shinra soldiers + ONE OF THE MAIN FRIKKEN CHARACTERS HAS A GUN FOR AN ARM

FF8 - Laguna (again, possibly the most important character) uses a gun. Estar soldiers use them. Irvine uses a gun too. Sh*t loads of guns.

The point is it IS fantasy. In any of the FF games if it was reality then the swords would be cutting heads off. A strange dog creature attacking would just get sliced in half, it would never get an attack in.

That's not how FF works. It works because Square use their magic on it to make all the FF games fantastic.

Why shouldn't they be different?
If you think about it - times change. Change occurs because people want it to. Things don't change just for the sake of changing so really you need to take a step back and maybe think that it's time you tried something new.

ZeZipster

05-05-2003, 09:52 PM

They're not forced in your party Yuna is the main character, I never had to see Barret jump up in to the air do a flip and fire with out stopping and in the air, I use to think that required years and years of training but obvisoully Yuna fairly good at after she JUST transist to need to use guns. Also note that those people had been using guns their entire life they never just picked them up and their not using special sphere grids either...

ZeZipster

05-05-2003, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Prodigy
Why shouldn't they be different?
If you think about it - times change. Change occurs because people want it to. Things don't change just for the sake of changing so really you need to take a step back and maybe think that it's time you tried something new.

Strange I remember Adolf Hitler saying some thing about change, too. Changing isn't always good, Squaresoft is taking it to far to fast, their was no need for change.

PhoenixAsh

05-05-2003, 10:12 PM

Yes for once I agree with ZeZipster, I mean look at the evidence. In the original FFX the main character wasn't just handed a weapon and instantly knew how to use it was he...

Prodigy

05-06-2003, 12:48 AM

Well this is the problem with Final Fantasy sequels - people start to pick up inconsistencies. Maybe FFX-2 would have been better as a different game. Afterall, it's what Square knows best.

The thing is though - you've got to look at the reality of the situation. You're complaining about certain things not being realistic - but very little in the FF games is. That's the point. It's not meant to be realistic. It doesn't have to make sense all the time. Just let yourself go and enjoy it.

People always seem to choose to ignore certain things yet pick up on others just to belittle what they're trying to oppose.

Squaresoft is taking it to far to fast, their was no need for change.

Squaresoft is a company who's primary objective is to make money. No matter what you might think or what you might want them to behave like they are primarily out there to gain money. They do this via having a large fanbase and by increasing it.

ALL (read: 95%) of Square's current fans will play game after game that they release. They've already been won by them and want to see what they bring out next. I'm in this category, most people on the boards will be.

Then there are those people who have never played a FF game. Square is now targetting these people to make sure that they are continually expanding the number of people playing FF games.

It makes no sense, indeed it is almost financial suicide, to simply cater for certain hardcore (even elitist) views on how FF games should be.

By adding in the alluring new dress codes they're are appealing to young males (mainly). By adding in the pop stars job class or whatever it is, they're appealing to masses of people who think the game might revolve around this - thus they're getting more customers.

This is what it's all about.

However you've got to think that they wouldn't be so stupid as lure all these people in and then disappoint them with a game that fails to please.

I'm expecting the game to be different - yet good.

Oh and:

Strange I remember Adolf Hitler saying some thing about change, too

Come on, you can't be serious.

I remember someone called Martin Luther King who said something about change, too...

See?

Calvin

05-06-2003, 04:26 AM

I refuse to give my opinions on it until I can actually judge it for myself.

IamTidus

05-06-2003, 04:55 AM

All I can say is I hgave high expectations of it and I am looking forward to another great FF game. Ya Know? Oh ya should this be in the FFX-2 forum? Meh

Scandalous

05-06-2003, 06:20 PM

Yeah. It should. Let's just hope a moderator will come skipping along to move it.

As for the idea of FFX-2, well...I'm very excited about it and want to play it. It seems interesting (VERY interesting) from what I've read about it and I'm curious about some of the new characters (Lenne and Shuin for example). I don't really care for the clothes, but that's because I'm a girl. Blah. o_o

ZeZipster

05-06-2003, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Prodigy
Oh and:

Come on, you can't be serious.

I remember someone called Martin Luther King who said something about change, too...

See?

Change isn't always good though, granted it may be some times, but not always. I'd of preffered for it not have changed, that's my opinion, if I don't convince people to not play it I don't care. My cause is to express why I don't like the game. The fact that Square does all of this for money bugs me, it feels like they've betrayed me, taking what once was great and, this next comment is my opinion, ruining it. Yeah-thats right. Ruining it. They made me love it and now they go down a grade by trying to attract a younger crowd, I became a fan of FF7 when I was young, I was brought in not by guns, girls, or any thing of that sort. I got caught up in it on one of Blockbuster machines (the kind they use to let you preview games). I wasn't in to RPGs or reading for that matter, but I did and because of a scene that really brought me in to the game I played through the game. I would never-ever forgive Square if they did some thing like this to 7 I would be enraged. I'd probably quit playing Square's game for a very long, long, long time. I am mad at Square for what they've done if it were FF7 they did this to, their would be no end to my complaining. None. I would never cease and agree with it.

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I suppose it'd be better if I just said "D00D THIS GAME R SUXORZ!!!!!1" instead of explaining what I dislike about it? No I think not. If I "belittle" the game in the process of explaining why I loath it, oh-well, ignore me if it bugs you.

I'm not going to rave about the good things of the game, because in my opinion it's the bad things that stick out and cause me to speak out. I don't care what other fans are doing. I'll stick to my opinion of the game untill some one shows me solid proof that this game is an RPG, because I don't think it is one, if the Lara Croft series isn't then the Yuna Croft series should be no better despite what game was before it.

Had Square created a new shooter, who'd of had training with the gun, not of messed up Yuna, I'd of been more inclined to like this game. People keep on saying that she's different because of her pilgrimage...? I don't care what happens in a persons life what they are taught from the day they exist to any point in time sticks with them, she has no logical reason to change, and yet she willingly wears cloths which are the EXACT opposite of what she was wearing before? Uh, yeah right. Even if Rikku was trying to convince her to come to the unfashionablecy-insane side I doubt she would. Who the hell would take fashion advice from a girl wearing a bikini and a scarf any ways? So maybe it's all because of a diguise, some disguise you can tell it's her.

Psychotic

05-06-2003, 08:09 PM

*applauds*

I agree with everything he says, that clever Zippy.

PhoenixAsh

05-06-2003, 08:31 PM

ZeZipster you have no evidence at all that this game is going to be any worse. I have explained why Yuna would change, and why it would be ridiculous for her to be the same. I have explained why Square aren't simply out to make money by ruining characters. I've even pointed out why it's silly to think Yuna shouldn't be able to use guns.
You aren't argueing based on more than assumptions, in fact given you are yet to try and point out why I'm wrong, you aren't argueing at all, you're just repeating yourself.

Oh and I like the thread being here, it's from an FFX fans perspective, not just the people who click on the FFX-2 links (which I avoid because I got sick of hearing comlpaints about a game based on clothes).

ZeZipster

05-06-2003, 08:42 PM

I'm repeating my self and your not listening, I'm about to do some thing I've never done before:
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Originally posted by ZeZipster
Ok, I'm fine with the idea of them making more obscene characters. But guess what, they've taking it to far, you can't have some one who was portrayed as subtle and shy and then half naked in the sequel the change is to dramatic. They are selling her. They could have made an entirely nude shooter I wouldn't give a shit. The fact that they decided to take Yuna and change her to the EXACT opposite of what she was pisses me off. She went from a staff to two GUNS. WHAT? HOW THE HELL!? I never saw any dark magician or summoner in any game whip out two pistols and fire off rounds like their is no limit on ammo! NEVER.

I do have evidence. Three girls walking around changing cloths every battle. No male characters from all the previews I've seen. Although I'm fairly sure I wouldn't want to see in male characters in this one.
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I'm repeating my self repeating my self. To answer your question of course. You may enjoy the game, but when you go and rave about this game you can't help but feel the RPG loving gamer inside of you die a little bit, why? Because the game isn't an RPG, it's the foe of an RPG one that takes away many gamers and sends them in to an endless loop of action craving insanity. Sure it'll start off as just you buying the latest FF, then you'll begin to notice a craving for guns in games because you aren't seeing enough blood splatter in X-2, before you know it you'll be buying any game raved about by blood-starved action craving maniacs!

I feel the game will be a horrible RPG, maybe a good action game, but a horrible RPG. That's my opinion.

Prodigy

05-06-2003, 08:44 PM

Looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'm not going to write everything I said again as somehow I doubt that repeating myself would actually make you take onboard some of the points I raised.

I see what you're saying, I don't think it makes sense and I don't agree.

PhoenixAsh

05-06-2003, 09:11 PM

I however don't see what you're saying, I see the words, but they have no meaning.

I'm going to just list points that have been made (that I remember because I'm not going to bother putting effort into repeating myself and others). If you seriously argue half of them I'll respect your arguement a bit.

1) FFX-2 is the first direct sequel to an FF. Why would square choose the only FF specifically targetted at people who are already fans and discount them to aim at a very small market.

2) Yuna has had her entire upbringing shown to be false, she has lost a lover and a guide, she has lost nearly all her previous fighting ability, she has been thrown into a completely new role in life, she no longer follows any of the things that her original way of life was based on, she's been training, she is undercover, it's two years later. Just why do you think she would be anything like she was in FFX?

3) Tidus was given a much harder to use weapon at the beginning of FFX, he learnt to use it in about five seconds. Why can't Yuna learn to use guns in two years? Bear in mind that I'm guessing the guns are machina and not something she was even allowed access to in FFX.

4) Barret, Vincent, Irvine, Laguna, Squall, and Seifer all wield guns of some kind, why is X-2 different? Again bear in mind that IX was set before guns were common, and X before they were allowed.

5) FFX involved in large part a very acrobatic sports game, VII a road rash style game, a snowboard game, and many many others, X-2 from what we've seen involves fancy attacks, why should this suddenly mean we're looking at a lesser RPG? They all have flashy attacks and moves.

6) We know very little about the game past the clothing, which to be honest most people probably won't care about, why does clothing mean bad gameplay? Actually look at Tifa, Selphie, and many others who wear revealling outfits, and to be honest they probs look much worse given the context etc.

ZeZipster

05-06-2003, 09:56 PM

1. Square isn't directing this game at past FFX fans, Prodigy has already established that.
Squaresoft is a company who's primary objective is to make money. No matter what you might think or what you might want them to behave like they are primarily out there to gain money. They do this via having a large fanbase and by increasing it.

2.
People keep on saying that she's different because of her pilgrimage...? I don't care what happens in a persons life what they are taught from the day they exist to any point in time sticks with them, she has no logical reason to change, and yet she willingly wears cloths which are the EXACT opposite of what she was wearing before? Uh, yeah right. Even if Rikku was trying to convince her to come to the unfashionablecy-insane side I doubt she would. Who the hell would take fashion advice from a girl wearing a bikini and a scarf any ways? So maybe it's all because of a diguise, some disguise you can tell it's her.

3. You cannot pick-up a gun and in 2-years be able to flip and in mid-air fire of rounds with out messing up. Tidus never did any crowd-pleasing stupid-stunts.

4. Squall and Seifer had Gunblades.
They're not forced in your party Yuna is the main character, I never had to see Barret jump up in to the air do a flip and fire with out stopping and in the air, I use to think that required years and years of training but obvisoully Yuna fairly good at after she JUST transist to need to use guns. Also note that those people had been using guns their entire life they never just picked them up and their not using special sphere grids either...

5. ??? I don't understand.

6. I never said it did.
Ok, I'm fine with the idea of them making more obscene characters. But guess what, they've taking it to far, you can't have some one who was portrayed as subtle and shy and then half naked in the sequel the change is to dramatic. They are selling her. They could have made an entirely nude shooter I wouldn't give a shit. The fact that they decided to take Yuna and change her to the EXACT opposite of what she was pisses me off. She went from a staff to two GUNS. WHAT? HOW THE HELL!? I never saw any dark magician or summoner in any game whip out two pistols and fire off rounds like their is no limit on ammo! NEVER.

The fact that they changed her for profit bugs me.

PhoenixAsh

05-06-2003, 10:31 PM

1) Of course Square is directing it at previous fans, it a sequel!!! The ONLY sequel!!! How many people do you think Square are gonna rely on to be attracted by flimsy outfits, now compare it to the number of FF fans.

2) Okay if you're willing to ignore everything I've said you're clearly gonna ignore anything further I can say so I'll leave it.

3) Again you ignored what I said, and yes Tidus did do flashy stunts, he does one in the first three minutes of fighting if I remember. If you don't call Blitz Ace flashy then...

4) Ah yes that sharp edge on the blades completely undermines what I was saying.

5) This was a response to your previous post.

6)You have no reason to think it's purely for profit, in fact I've now given multiple examples of why it isn't and why her being the same would be stupid.

Siroa

05-07-2003, 12:15 AM

I think that's for profit, it's sure. Listen up, almost every game companies are corrupting right now! Sincerely, why people don't see that!!! Many people told me that Square is in evolution, that's not evolution! It's like if you would see some band like Cynic making pop music! This is a nonsense! Nobody evolute (good word ?!?) when they change their style to follow the others!

The most shitty thing that proves it is he clothing of course! A game like final fantasy is supposed to be deep. There's no place for sex in it! please! And what disturb me the most, it's that a lot of people just accept it! Ok! fine! That way Square will become more and more commercial an we will end up to play a Quake game or something like that.

All the games today sucks! In five years, absolutely no game except FFX got me! All the games are just too much "candy".

I don't want to flame anybody, but admit it! Gaming today is far from it was before, and we DON'T have to accept it.

Prodigy

05-07-2003, 12:45 AM

No offense but English isn't your first language is it?

I hear what you're saying but I think you're wrong.

There are loads of good games out today. Kingdom Hearts and Vice City on the PS2, Zelda WW and Metroid Prime on the Gamecube, C&C Generals and the upcoming HL2 & Doom 3 on the PC - to name but a few.

Games companies have NEVER been out there to be your friend, to make you happy or to make games that you will enjoy. Well, not directly anyway. They have ALWAYS been out to make money. They do this by creating games they think lots of people will buy,enjoy and then buy sequels to/buy other games from the company. That's a simple outline of how it works (ignoring early MUD designers and things like that, they're different...)

If they think it takes modern manufactured pop music to sell a game then hell it's going to be in there. It's evolution. Evolving to meet their financial requirements to survive as a company.

Square are expanding. Have you seen Final Flight of the Osiris? Fantastic CGI work. Even better than the FF movie.

Why did a games company make a movie? Simple: profit (although they probably lost money with this...failed venture).

Final Fantasy games can still be deep even if there's a strong sexual feel to the game. FF7 had some VERY risque moments in (HoneyBee Inn anyone!!?). Tifa was clearly there for her Lara Croft style assets.

It's the true Japanese way of life. Personally I like it, some people would rather they stick to dragons and red mages though.

Siroa

05-07-2003, 02:28 AM

Yeah, english isn't my 1st language :D . I understand what you said about the games companies, they are there to make money. But, I think that a company that's respecting itself shouldn't show it, I mean, listen to pop bands, even if we all know they doing it for money, they never showing it. But anyway, a game should be a piece of art. Even if it's not, it should be. Maybe I sound like an idiot, but I will never accept that games are done to be sell and nothing else.

PhoenixAsh

05-07-2003, 07:06 PM

Hmmm, I've had to do this a lot lately, time for me to adopt a new style of arguement. I'm going to adopt the style of FFX-2 haters.

The game doesn't suck! I mean look at the graphics! They're fantastic, you don't even need to play the game before you judge it. It's obviously going to absolutely brilliant!!!
Although many people in here have made several points to prove me wrong (this isn't actually true in the case of bashing FFX-2) I'm going to completely ignore them and just say again that it's perfect! I have no idea what the logic square had for making this game, but I can read absolutely everything from the graphics, they're out to make me happy!!!!!!!!
As we've seen in many other games people can pick up weapons and learn how to use them in less than two years, characters wear sexy clothes, and guns are very common. But look! Look at the pretty picture!!! I can now ignore all of the previous examples, and say that this is a new move for Square never done before and it's designed specifically to make this the best game ever!!!!!

ZeZipster

05-07-2003, 07:09 PM

No your right Siroa, a game should be a piece of art. Just like movies should. Making a good piece of art work requires time, but Square seems to think they don't need to take time to create a good piece of art work just guns, ass, and missions. This is what makes me mad, they can make a profit of the good long-time taking art work but instead they decide to put all of these things in to make profit a bigger profit off of recruiting people who haven't played FFX.

ZeZipster

05-07-2003, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Phoenix 17
Hmmm, I've had to do this a lot lately, time for me to adopt a new style of arguement. I'm going to adopt the style of FFX-2 haters.

The game doesn't suck! I mean look at the graphics! They're fantastic, you don't even need to play the game before you judge it. It's obviously going to absolutely brilliant!!!
Although many people in here have made several points to prove me wrong (this isn't actually true in the case of bashing FFX-2) I'm going to completely ignore them and just say again that it's perfect! I have no idea what the logic square had for making this game, but I can read absolutely everything from the graphics, they're out to make me happy!!!!!!!!
As we've seen in many other games people can pick up weapons and learn how to use them in less than two years, characters wear sexy clothes, and guns are very common. But look! Look at the pretty picture!!! I can now ignore all of the previous examples, and say that this is a new move for Square never done before and it's designed specifically to make this the best game ever!!!!!

pros·ti·tute (prst-tt, -tyt)
n.
One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose

People are going to buy this game because they see not that it's the sequel, but that it's an action game like the Lara Croft series. Square is tarnishing their good name to make a profit. I know theirs been obscene characters before, but NEVER have they completely changed some one to be more whorish to add on to the three already half nude characters forced in your party. I got go around saying I'm a huge Square fan because if I did I'd be supporting this.

VII wasn't advertised the way X-2 is. Think about it, did you ever see a teaser of Tifa holding two guns about to walk in to what was never really defined? NO you didn't. How many girls were forced in to your party in 7? How many are in X-2? They've taken it to far in X-2. Yeah guns are common in ACTION games, I think guns may have been part of the reason why FF8 sucked so bad, and the soap opera feel to it. Yeah people have picked up weapons and magically known how to use them but when they did it was never in a trailer or preview.

PhoenixAsh

05-07-2003, 09:22 PM

ZeZipster are you an idiot? I'm not flaming here, but you seem to think several million people are so I'm confused as to where you get this idea.

People are going to buy this game because they see not that it's the sequel, but that it's an action game like the Lara Croft series.

Really? So instead of buying Quake, Tomb Raider, GTA, or any of the other thousands of action games available, they're going to spend a lot of money buying an RPG. This is after Square, upon cornering a market, decided to abandon it and take a very small piece, of a much better exploited genre.

Square is tarnishing their good name to make a profit. I know theirs been obscene characters before, but NEVER have they completely changed some one to be more whorish to add on to the three already half nude characters forced in your party.

Well maybe they never changed a character before because.... hmm tough one.... THEY'VE NEVER MADE A SEQUEL BEFORE. Yuna doesn't even look whorish, if that's how you see her that says more about you than Square. I'm not gonna repeat the MANY, MANY reasons Yuna has changed.

I think guns may have been part of the reason why FF8 sucked so bad

Funny how you didn't think the fact that VII featured even more guns detracted from it at all.

Yeah people have picked up weapons and magically known how to use them but when they did it was never in a trailer or preview.

I don't want to flame here, but this is possibly the single lamest arguement in the history of language. I don't know where to start responding to it, so I'm simply going to smile and nod.

ZeZipster

05-07-2003, 09:46 PM

Really? So instead of buying Quake, Tomb Raider, GTA, or any of the other thousands of action games available, they're going to spend a lot of money buying an RPG. This is after Square, upon cornering a market, decided to abandon it and take a very small piece, of a much better exploited genre.

How the hell is it an RPG?
Missions + Action-like gameplay + REAL TIME BATTLE SYSTEM = NOT AN RPG!

Well maybe they never changed a character before because.... hmm tough one.... THEY'VE NEVER MADE A SEQUEL BEFORE. Yuna doesn't even look whorish, if that's how you see her that says more about you than Square. I'm not gonna repeat the MANY, MANY reasons Yuna has changed.

THEIR IS NO REASON WHY A PERSON WOULD CHANGE THEIR CLOTHING STYLE TO THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY WERE WEARING BEFORE. I've said that before, maybe because it's my opinion. Hmmm, interesting word their O-P-I-N-I-O-N, EXPRESS YOUR OPINION. If you disagree with my OPINION I suggest you ignore me because I'm not going to stop speaking my opinion because of what you think. Maybe you should stop repeating your self after all your not accomplishing any thing.

Funny how you didn't think the fact that VII featured even more guns detracted from it at all.

Funny how I never saw any body fire of guns in mid-air with guns or do any crazy useless-dumb-ass stunt in FF7.

I don't want to flame here, but this is possibly the single lamest arguement in the history of language. I don't know where to start responding to it, so I'm simply going to smile and nod.
Why did you even begin typing that then? Obvisoully because you do want to flame. No, I insist, make your point and try to prove my opinion wrong.

Prodigy

05-07-2003, 09:54 PM

THEIR IS NO REASON WHY A PERSON WOULD CHANGE THEIR CLOTHING STYLE TO THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY WERE WEARING BEFORE. I've said that before, maybe because it's my opinion. Hmmm, interesting word their O-P-I-N-I-O-N, EXPRESS YOUR OPINION. If you disagree with my OPINION I suggest you ignore me because I'm not going to stop speaking my opinion because of what you think. Maybe you should stop repeating your self after all your not accomplishing any thing.

It is my opinion that people might do that. I changed my style of clothes almost overnight - it was a radical change (just like when I changed my hair) and it was very noticeable. I don't think it's too far fetched.

Funny how I never saw any body fire of guns in mid-air with guns or do any crazy useless-dumb-ass stunt in FF7.

What about in 8? Did you see Laguna's limit break?

PhoenixAsh

05-07-2003, 10:13 PM

How the hell is it an RPG? Missions + Action-like gameplay + REAL TIME BATTLE SYSTEM = NOT AN RPG!

It's an FF. RPGs are allowed to have gameplay other than just reading menus. Zelda and Alundra were a lot further away from FFX than I'm guessing FFX-2 will be, but I still consider them RPGs, and damn good ones.

THEIR IS NO REASON WHY A PERSON WOULD CHANGE THEIR CLOTHING STYLE TO THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY WERE WEARING BEFORE. I've said that before, maybe because it's my opinion. Hmmm, interesting word their O-P-I-N-I-O-N, EXPRESS YOUR OPINION. If you disagree with my OPINION I suggest you ignore me because I'm not going to stop speaking my opinion because of what you think. Maybe you should stop repeating your self after all your not accomplishing any thing.

I have given many reasons for Yuna to change her clothing. That you chose to ignore them does not mean they do not exist.
You are expressing your opinion, but you are expressing unjustified criticism publicly of a company I very much like, I feel I should defend it.

Funny how I never saw any body fire of guns in mid-air with guns or do any crazy useless-dumb-ass stunt in FF7.

In that case I highly suspect you weren't actually playing FFVII.

Why did you even begin typing that then? Obvisoully because you do want to flame. No, I insist, make your point and try to prove my opinion wrong.

Well the first issue is, to my knowledge no trailer has involved Yuna picking up the guns from nowhere and just using them. I haven't seen every trailer though.
The second issue is, any time you see Tidus in a trailer, he's using a weapon he just picked up and used.
The third and most important issue. If you see the main character in a trailer why the hell shouldn't she be carrying her weapons? Should they have had trailers not featuring the main draw to the game (by this I mean Yuna as a character from a previous FF which is a brand new idea to fans), in case someone for some reason thinks that their ability to use their weapon despite being done before is now apparently offensive.

ZeZipster

05-07-2003, 10:45 PM

I have given many reasons for Yuna to change her clothing. That you chose to ignore them does not mean they do not exist.
You are expressing your opinion, but you are expressing unjustified criticism publicly of a company I very much like, I feel I should defend it.

It is my opinion that people might do that. I changed my style of clothes almost overnight - it was a radical change (just like when I changed my hair) and it was very noticeable. I don't think it's too far fetched.

It's still the other end of the chain, the exact opposite. She could have changed a little, but not she's wearing the exact opposite of what she was, and coicidentally Paine is introduced and Rikku get made over and they're both forced in to your party. It looks like Square is selling them.

In that case I highly suspect you weren't actually playing FFVII.

Ah, I see where you are coming from. Note the useless in front of dumb-ass stunt. Could I possibly be saying that flipping in the air and firing upside down is pointless and stupid?