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Dr Unne
05-10-2003, 02:26 AM
I'd like to complain about the use of the word "fcuk" by various people, among other similar things. I thought we didn't allow that kind of thing here. Maybe I'm the only one who cares that people have such little regard for the rules and such little respect for their fellow posters that they feel obliged to circumvent the rules in such obvious ways though. If that's the case maybe you should just let everyone use all the profanity they want all the time instead of maintaining a pretense of its not being allowed. Just my opinion though.

Yamaneko
05-10-2003, 02:32 AM
Yeah, I agree. If using the F-word is against the rules here, but people say "fcuk", then what's the point? They both mean the same thing. I doesn't bother me much, people using the F-word now and then, but in a forum this big, with so many people, it shouldn't be tolerated in any shape or form.

Kawaii Ryűkishi
05-10-2003, 02:45 AM
I always edit that sort of thing when I notice it. Shame on my lazy fellows, though.

Dr Unne
05-10-2003, 02:53 AM
http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=44711&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

Agent Proto
05-10-2003, 02:57 AM
Well, that's a lot. Next time I see "Fcuk" or any variation of the f-word, I'm editting it.

Del Murder
05-10-2003, 03:08 AM
20 is a lot? I don't think it's going on enough to get out of hand, and if it gets too much attention, it might cause other problems.

Kawaii Ryűkishi
05-10-2003, 03:49 AM
It was twenty <i>thousand</i> before I got to work.

Shoyku
05-10-2003, 04:15 AM
Most of the ones I saw on the first page were done by ed. xD

crono_logical
05-10-2003, 04:17 AM
Why are the majority by ed? :p


EDIT: pfft @ you, Shoyku :p

Hey, that rhymes :p





Hmm, I'd be happy to replace any I see with other alternatives, like Jeremiah Smith, or Great Green Gorillas :D

Shlup
05-10-2003, 04:30 AM
I used to make all the swear words on the Division G6 message board when I adminned there change to "smurf" but the guitarist yelled at me and told people I should be thrown off a cliff. :/

*goes through and edits all ed's posts to say goofy things*

eestlinc
05-10-2003, 06:11 AM
i was gonna say ed is the one who started that craze. If I want to swear I just go ahead and type :skull::skull::skull::skull: and then it gets censored but i still feel the release of typing :skull::skull::skull::skull:.

edczxcvbnm
05-10-2003, 06:28 AM
Originally posted by Dr Unne
I'd like to complain about the use of the word "fcuk" by various people, among other similar things.

I don't know what you are talking about :erm:

I will stop for you Unne. You can say it is me because everyone knows it. I will stop for you...you mother phuker :D I know, I know. That defeats the point but I did that one for comedic value.

EDIT: I actually just read everyone else's posts and the rest of Unne's post. That was pretty fun and yes I am the major offender here. I said I would stop and I will but I feel the need to say I didn't break the rules. I didn't get around the hack because I didn't post the F-word. I posted fcuk. If I were to get around the f-word I would do this

f<b></b>uck

I also don't see the big deal since everyone know that :skull::skull::skull::skull: is the same thing as fcuk anyways. Just because you don't spell the word out doesn't mean that people don't know what you are saying. If they know what you are saying then there is no point. If they don't know what the word means then it makes no sense to them and no harm done...besides. Its not like little kids cruise FF forums or anything.

Anyways I leave you with these words of wisdom.

The burrito will eat the mash potato man.

Think about it or something.

The Man
05-10-2003, 07:37 AM
I'm just pissed that "tro</>ut" is still blocked. :skull::skull::skull::skull::skull:

Spatvark
05-10-2003, 08:01 AM
pssh; I'd tell you to cram it Aaron, but Proto is the cramming guy around here =P

http://forums.ffrepublic.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19328 if anyone's interested...

The Man
05-10-2003, 08:05 AM
*crams Proto*

PhoenixAsh
05-10-2003, 06:34 PM
This isn't meant to sound like I wanna cause trouble, or particularly want to be able to swear... But what's wrong with FCUK? It's paraded around in public places all the time, even in an obviously swearing context. Hell I've seen teachers wearing those tops. I vaguely understanding banning swearing, but seriously.

Shlup
05-10-2003, 06:38 PM
Don't worry about it, ed. It's not like you're actually in trouble or anything. I don't know why there's a swear filter anyway except that Unne decided one day that he'd rather see skulls everywhere then the 'F' word. Everyone is free to argue against having a swear filter at all, but actually swearing is still a good way to get on Shlup Clause's naughty list.

Leeza
05-10-2003, 06:42 PM
I've only got the same thing to say again that has been said before many times. If you want to swear and write tasteless posts, etc., find a board that allows that sort of thing.

It seemed to go away for awhile, but little by little I see more and more skulls and asterisks creeping into posts. One or two here and there where warranted is one thing, but it's slowly starting in settle into the regualar conversations again, so I guess I will be editting more often. I've managed to post here for almost two years without ever using the f-word once myself, so it's really not all that difficult.

Dr Unne
05-10-2003, 07:59 PM
I found that editing posts is not only a waste of time for the person doing the editing, but also that no one cares at all and will keep right on doing whatever they want. That's why the filter is there, I got sick of editing everything in sight. I still feel that the only reason EoFF isn't totally overrun with the level of stupidity that pervades the rest of the internet / world is that we keep most of the morons out by putting up restrictions. If you want to throw open the floodgates go right ahead, it's none of my business any more. I'm just assuming that since the rule is still in place and hasn't been gotten rid of yet, that you might actually care about enforcing it. If you want to keep the rule and just not enforce it, none of my business either. If you want to get rid of the rule, go ahead.

Shlup
05-10-2003, 08:03 PM
I'm just giving people the opportunity to refute it. I would hope that there aren't enough people here who think swearing doesn't make them sound ignorant for anything to actually come of it.

Night_Sword
05-10-2003, 08:10 PM
I haven't said the f-bomb, or any abbreviated word similar to it once since I registered, and if I can do it I mean almost anyone can. Not that I see the real point of swearing just words thats all they are. I do try to be on my best behavior while posting though.

Big Ogre Umaro
05-10-2003, 08:23 PM
If I get heated up (it could happen, ya never know), there will be a few skulls. Sometimes I say ":skull::skull::skull::skull::skull:ing" because I think it's hilarious. Gonna go :skull::skull::skull::skull::skull:ing, so maybe I'll catch some :skull::skull::skull::skull::skull:. *laff laff*

Loony BoB
05-10-2003, 09:11 PM
*guilty* >_>;

edczxcvbnm
05-11-2003, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by Leeza
If you want to swear and write tasteless posts, etc., find a board that allows that sort of thing.

Tasteless posts are in the eyes of the beholder.

I would also like to say that swearing only makes you sound ignorant if you use it like BOU seems to have used it...but I say that mainly looks bad because of the Skulls. Swearing usually just makes you look uncreative...which I am not. I just choose to put something not quite as graphic and horrifing down instead. Most of the time it is just sayings like.

Shut the fcuk up!
Thats bullshit.
what the fcuk are you talking about?

It gets bad when people start saying things like

Whoa! She looks good for a fcuk!

We can be more creative and crude than that

Whoa! I would like to stick my c**k in her c**t and blow my load all up and in her uterus!

Just a lack of creativity...and I guess decency if you are really messed up like me. There are far worse things that could be said to describe things that saying fcuk.

If what I said is going to far then edit away. I have no beef with that as I did go kind of far. I just hope this makes sense because it sounds good in my head but it just isn't coming out the right way...not that way SICKO :D

Night_Sword
05-11-2003, 04:56 PM
Whoa! I would like to stick my c**k in her c**t and blow my load all up and in her uterus!

Hah, the day I start seeing that crap pop up is the day I leave this message board for good. You do make a valid point though, swearing is one thing, but that is tasteless crap. I also understand that more or less everybody who has posted on this board has seen anyword that you can think up, but that doesn't stop people from taking offence at it. If you did uncensor one word what would stop the other, more tasteless crap from being uncensored.

The Man
05-11-2003, 05:04 PM
If you did uncensor one word what would stop the other, more tasteless crap from being uncensored.Principle. The fact that this isn’t a porn site.

The only words that are currently blocked, as far as I know, are “:skull::skull::skull::skull::skull:” and the F-bomb. I think the F-bomb should stay blocked, although I’m not so sure about :skull::skull::skull::skull::skull:.

Night_Sword
05-11-2003, 05:15 PM
Hah, I didn't know if the other words were censored. Partly because I have never seen them used before or have used them in this forum.

Well it doesn't really matter I don't swear so it doesn't directly affect me, but I just don't want to see it everytime I look in a thread, it has no place here in my opinion.

I also think that :banme should be used as the censor, instead of the skull. The skull annoys me.

PhoenixAsh
05-11-2003, 07:10 PM
Yeah it's fair enough, and I don't think anyone's asking to unban those words, the question is, what's wrong with fcuk etc.

Bulldog
05-11-2003, 08:06 PM
We view most swearing as, at best, a shibboleth for the imagination impoverished; the english language is chock full of fun words that ain’t covered by the language filter.

However, if parents know that a kid will encounter such content at this website, they will prohibit the kid from coming, which is a shame.

Another good reason to have censorship.
It's the whole 'Better to be safe than sorry' crap.

crono_logical
05-11-2003, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix 17
Yeah it's fair enough, and I don't think anyone's asking to unban those words, the question is, what's wrong with fcuk etc. Because in almost all cases, it's a blatant attempt to circumvent the filter, and in the end, it clicks as having the same meaning and connotations anyway, so has the same effect as the f word anyway to many people who get offended by that - why else would you want to be using it so often anyway? I doubt you talk about a not overly popular British brand of clothes that often.

edczxcvbnm
05-12-2003, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by crono_logical
in the end, it clicks as having the same meaning and connotations anyway, so has the same effect as the f word anyway to many people who get offended by that

That is what the skulls do also. People will associate :skull::skull::skull::skull: with the f word because that is appearntly how you spell it here at EoFF. You just changed the way it looks but it carries the same exact meaning. That is why it makes no sense to even have the filter...unless you have a big list of 300 or so phrases you can replace the fword with.

Instead of "You :skull::skull::skull::skull:ing asshole"

it could be "You super happy funny asshole"

and it would randomize which one it picks...then it would be cool and stuff...although it might encourge people like me to use the word more because it would be funny.

Dr Unne
05-12-2003, 05:11 PM
Letting the words appear as-is sends the message "Hey, the administration here doesn't care about swearing, so you can go right ahead". Censoring it sends the message "Hey, it must be turning into a row of skulls for SOME reason, maybe you should respect the fact that they must not want you to use that word and stop using it". Whether people get the message or abide by it is another matter.

Leeza
05-12-2003, 05:18 PM
Everytime I see the skulls though I have to count them to see if maybe it's only saying :skull::skull::skull::skull::skull:, and changing it to some funny random saying probably <i>would</i> encourage people like you, ed, to just say it more , just for the entertainment aspect of it. :) Heck I might even say it just to see what it would come up with.

Oh well, I don't like to see it in general conversation and Rule #2 states that I will be angry if people try to get around the censor and overuse profanity. So, I guess I'll have to start warning people if they start to abuse rule #2. Rules are rules you know.

Loony BoB
05-12-2003, 05:24 PM
It's amazing how fast you could work around that sentence, though.

asshole = legend

And then suddenly, it's a good thing.

But personally, I don't see what's wrong with fcuk if it's not used in an offensive manner. To me, the word 'shit' is just as bad as the word 'crap', too. Someone can call it what they like, it's the same thing. I also think the same for fcuk. If someone says 'what the hell are you talking about?' it's just like 'what the fcuk are you talking about?'... different sentence, same meaning. HOWEVER, if people say 'shut the fcuk up' then that's an attack, and they should get a warning. The could say 'shut the hell up', and I'd give them the same warning.

But to be honest, I do see how some people can get offended purely by the word, and I choose to respect that. Because I know I can say 'crap' and 'hell' if for some reason the way something is said (rather than the meaning behind it) affects someone mentally or emotionally. =P *shrugs* I'm known to have weird pet-hates, too, eh?

Doomgaze
05-12-2003, 05:43 PM
The words shouldn't be important... it's the intentions behind them. I don't think there's any harm in the occasional ":skull::skull::skull::skull:", really. It's just a word...

Del Murder
05-12-2003, 09:26 PM
Words are all we have here. By BoB's logic I can say 'I'd prefer it if you refrained from speaking' and would still get a warning. What I'm trying to say is that different people find different things offensive. F is generally the most offensive to the most people, so why even try to deal with it? If the word 'anyway' offended a great deal of people, I would stop using it here, though it's one I use frequently. The English language is so vast that there will always be a number of ways to fully express yourself. 'Hell' and 'crap' aren't considered as offensive by the majority, so they aren't banned here.

PhoenixAsh
05-12-2003, 10:23 PM
Yeah but if you just want to ban the word then it has nothing to do with meaning. I'm just guessing, but I reckon less people are offended by those four letters in that order (meaning irrelevant) than those who dislike having their freedom of speech restricted in such a manner.
I don't think I've ever said it on here, but I don't think it should be banned as long as the context is ok. FCUK definately shouldn't be.

Shlup
05-12-2003, 10:52 PM
Uhm, swearing is still not okay. It's not going to be okay either. We've heard all these arguments before, and they're all true to an extent. Yes, the F-word is a word, but it's a word that closes me off to anything else you have to say. If you don't care enough to describe how you feel without swearing, then it must not be important enough for me to listen to. Swearing makes you sound ignorant, and the staff and members here have the right to curb ignorance away from our message board.

In anycase, we can talk about the pros and cons of uncensoring the F-word all we want, but something tells me it would take some profound revilations to get the F-word uncensored.

Del Murder
05-12-2003, 11:01 PM
Like an orphan finds a family every time you use it?

edczxcvbnm
05-12-2003, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by Del Murder
What I'm trying to say is that different people find different things offensive. F is generally the most offensive to the most people, so why even try to deal with it?

In my expericence with people who are cool with swearing the F word is usually the one they except the most and :bou::bou::bou::bou: is the one they are weary of using...most girls I know(bar a few) really hate that word for some reason. I mean they HATE it...its not a problem though as it isn't a very practical word.

Hey Shlup...why does swearing make someone ignorant? Sounds pretty ignorant to me to make that kind of an assumtion about someones intellegence based on a few words they use. Its also just what you think of people who swear which is entirely objective...or is that subjective...I am going to go with objectivly subjective...yeah. That sounds good.

PhoenixAsh
05-13-2003, 07:51 PM
*Goes on a quest to find practical uses for the word 'cnut'*

Citizen Bleys
05-13-2003, 07:57 PM
Pfft, people think I care about their problems with the swear filter? Ha! Eat :skull::skull::skull::skull::skull:, suckers!

edczxcvbnm
05-13-2003, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by Citizen Bleys
Pfft, people think I care about their problems with the swear filter? Ha! Eat :skull::skull::skull::skull::skull:, suckers!

If you cared then there would be something seriously wrong man...I would start to repent or something if such a day came.

EveningCross
05-15-2003, 06:07 AM
I said "funk" one time. Didn't mean anything by it. Sorry, didn't realize that this was frowned upon. I'll just... well, I'll shut up now.

Please don't kill me.

Citizen Bleys
05-15-2003, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by EveningCross
I said "funk" one time. Didn't mean anything by it. Sorry, didn't realize that this was frowned upon. I'll just... well, I'll shut up now.

Please don't kill me.

You're BANNED!

Dr Unne
05-16-2003, 12:09 AM
Well, especially with what ed's getting away with saying in this thread, let alone the rest of what people get away with saying in threads in general, if I had a child they wouldn't be allowed to come to this MB, as it stands. Since I don't have a child I don't care quite as much, but oh well.

Farside
05-16-2003, 12:19 AM
I've been so desensitized to all kinds of "cuss" words over the past 15 years, so when I read them or hear them now, they don't even register in my mind as being bad. They've lost all meaning to me, really.

Garland
05-16-2003, 12:22 AM
I don't personally care whether people swear or not. However, it's not good for the authority of the staff if some rules are enforced and others aren't. Sure this isn't a democracy, and people can be modded/banned at any staffer's discretion, but it's still probably a good idea to either completely enforce your rules, or not have them at all. If you let some people get away with saying anything, then crack down on someone else for inappropriate content, it just doesn't look good, no matter how fair one tries to be. Just my thoughts anyway. Enforce it or repeal it I say.