ok, i dont know how many of you have read this already...

[STBetchel]

or if it has even been posted...but if you havent read this, you should. its a christian review on FFX. it kinda makes me sick to be honest.:mad2:

hahahaha i forgot the link, sorry! lol http://www.almenconi.com/topics/games/ffx.html

Edit by Roogle: Don't double post, okay? Use the Edit button next time. It's located in that bar beneath you, in case you didn't know about it. You also posted this topic in the wrong forum, so I'll move it for you.

[Paine6969]

I Agree That Review Picked Mostly Out The Bad Points OF FFX

[Ellay]

LOL geez...what's wrong with people? It's just a game.
That review somewhat angers me.
I wonder what they think of FFX-2? O.o

[§håd0w]

yea. pretty much if its not like them, or it does somethin differently than they do, they'll bash it out of existence.

[droggen]

And that's why i dont like organised religoin.

And wow what a moron!
did they even play the game or did they just look for what would offend them?

[TheAbominatrix]

Yeah that's pretty biased... but you have to remember that some people just have different views, right or wrong. Let them have their views, so long as they arent trying to force them on you. Dont start this 'only organized religions are biased' stuff again.

[droggen]

I did let him have his opinion.where in my post did i say he was wrong?
I just asked did he actualy play the game or just sit there and look for things to be offended by?

[TheAbominatrix]

I was stating my views, not contending yours.

[ChibiInuYasha]

ROFLMAO!!! Lulu's "ample bosom" XDDD
This has to be a joke! I'm sorry but I cant help but sometimes laugh at the nerve of these overly religeous types. That may seem a little prejudiced but I mean COME ON!!

[TheAbominatrix]

Yeah, the guy really did go overboard... though now that you mention it, I woulder if it was a joke? Like the kind Something Awful does?

[STBetchel]

and the choice of words too...its not "big boobs" or "large breasts", but "ample bosom"...lol thats just a funny choice of words

[Silent Warrior]

Well, Lulu's bosom IS... ample. :o (Say, that's not one of those words that are fixed in plural, is it?)

Al Menconi... I've been to that site before. Once, and only once. He's a fine example of how christianity can be dangerous, and should be arrested and deported.

[Paleghost]

"When you attack, you rarely produce any blood, but when you do, it is minimal."

he/she says it like it is a bad thing..

[Zild]

(I didn't read the whole artical through fear of spoilers, but I got the gist of it...)

Wow, I bet this guy would love Medieval: Total War - you have to go and kill non-christians - isn't it great?!

Only flaw with the game, you can play as non-christians. This shoud never have been allowed, as it is clearly asking people to go against Christian beliefs and...

I hate people like that...

[TheAbominatrix]

So because he's overly against something he's apt to want the death of people who don't agree with him? Riiiight. Some people are simply more... closed-minded in their beliefs. That doesnt make it right, but it makes it their opinion, and thus their own business. Obviously not many are going to follow this, and the people who do wouldnt have played the game anyway. My mom had a boyfriend who told me RPGs were evil because they use magic in them. It's just an informed, unintellegent opinion. In a way, just as closed minded as opinions of groups like the KKK, but America is a free-country, and free speech is allowed... *shrugs* Eh, I dont care about this guy. Just some moron, nothing to get my panties in a bunch over.

[Zild]

All I'm saying is that his main problem with FFX was that it teaches that pagan (or, more importantly, non-Christian) beliefs are good.

The comparison with Medieval: Total War is that a rather large portion of the game revolves around the smiting of the enemies of God, those who do not follow pagan beliefs. Whilst perhaps my statement was slightly over the top, that was it's intention... (my apologies once again for my attempts at humour...)

Though, this done bring up another, ever-so-slightly FF related question...

In medieval times the Papacy outlawed the use of crossbows, because they were a very strong weapon which could be used by anybody with only a few months training, whilst bows took years to master, and could be used to kill a knight through rather thick armour...

However, the weapon weapon itself was not outlawed, just the use of it against fellow Christians. The use of crossbows against Muslims was still allowed.

The question is this: would it have been okay to use magic, a pagan devilry, in battle against non-Christians?

In FF10, when the team started going against the teachings of Yevon they were excommunicated, even though they working towards Yevon's goals. Is this inflexibility a downfall of the beliefs of Yevon, or is it good that they stick to their beliefs no matter what, unlike Christianity with it's constant double-standards and hypocracy?

Whilst I agree that people are entitled to their opinions, they must realise that their opinion is not the only one; I always try to consider every viewpoint, though I admit it is difficult. I only wish this author would have done the same.

This isnt a rant solely about Christians, it's about all people who act in that manner. Even a Christian friend of mine agrees that this kind of article does no good for either those who read it, or those it represents...

[Remember - an attack on one of my favourite games is an attack on me!]

[droggen]

Originally posted by Zild
All I'm saying is that his main problem with FFX was that it teaches that pagan (or, more importantly, non-Christian) beliefs are good.

The comparison with Medieval: Total War is that a rather large portion of the game revolves around the smiting of the enemies of God, those who do not follow pagan beliefs. Whilst perhaps my statement was slightly over the top, that was it's intention... (my apologies once again for my attempts at humour...)

Though, this done bring up another, ever-so-slightly FF related question...

In medieval times the Papacy outlawed the use of crossbows, because they were a very strong weapon which could be used by anybody with only a few months training, whilst bows took years to master, and could be used to kill a knight through rather thick armour...

However, the weapon weapon itself was not outlawed, just the use of it against fellow Christians. The use of crossbows against Muslims was still allowed.

The question is this: would it have been okay to use magic, a pagan devilry, in battle against non-Christians?

In FF10, when the team started going against the teachings of Yevon they were excommunicated, even though they working towards Yevon's goals. Is this inflexibility a downfall of the beliefs of Yevon, or is it good that they stick to their beliefs no matter what, unlike Christianity with it's constant double-standards and hypocracy?

Whilst I agree that people are entitled to their opinions, they must realise that their opinion is not the only one; I always try to consider every viewpoint, though I admit it is difficult. I only wish this author would have done the same.

This isnt a rant solely about Christians, it's about all people who act in that manner. Even a Christian friend of mine agrees that this kind of article does no good for either those who read it, or those it represents...

[Remember - an attack on one of my favourite games is an attack on me!]

Well since i am technicaly a "Pagan" I i will say this.
FFX Kinda showed how bad power when left to a few unchecked can become a nasty thing.
And what's so bad about being a Pagan?
I ask because i get alot of people trying to save me.
The crossbow i don't care about.
And the hipocracy issue.
Everybody is a hypocrite me you everybody.
I am tired of people acting holier than thou.

[robfinalfantasy]

A review is supposed to whether the game is good or not. This person obviously focused more on the content than the actual gameplay. Sure there were things I disliked about the game, but if I focus on those traits then of course I would hate the game. Who cares if Lulu's attire was a bit revealing? That has nothing to do whatsoever with making the game bad. Also he/she must not be familiar with fiction/fantasy. The purpose of it is to be creative and introduce new concepts and ideas. Did he/she want the game to be 100% realistic? Anyone that close-minded will surely miss out on some good games.

[SeeDRankLou]

The author of this article is missing one of the words in the title of this game, Fantasy. You cannot compare the religious system of this real world with the religious system of the Spira fantasy world. While the Yevon religion resembles greatly paganism, this game is in no way going against any religious belief that is currently practiced today. This game in my opinion is not attempting to show any type of religion, it is attempting to show religious corruption, which whether you like it or not is a reality and has been a reality probably every since religion was religion. This game is not portraying a religion as being good or bad, it's portraying those in power abusing their power, as religion in this game (and in reality) is used in large part as a form or social control. The author of this article completely missed that and focused on the parts of the game instead of the game as a whole, which is probably the same thing that the author of this article does with the Bible.

[TheAbominatrix]

Originally posted by Zild
The comparison with Medieval: Total War is that a rather large portion of the game revolves around the smiting of the enemies of God, those who do not follow pagan beliefs. Whilst perhaps my statement was slightly over the top, that was it's intention... (my apologies once again for my attempts at humour...)



Actually that's my bad, I misunderstood. And I wasnt offended anyway.

Yes this man is wrong, yes he's uneducated, but have you noticed most of the things that have been said in this thread? Your post is remarkably well balanced, but some cruel and closed-minded things have been said about religion in this thread.

I'd say to this man the same thing I'd say to some of the people in this thread. If you dont like it, dont expose yourself to it. Let people do and believe what they want, unless it starts hurting others, and don't fight closed-minded attitudes with equally closed-minded words. Tolerance is a two way street. Dont expect a group of people to be accepting of your beliefs if you cant show a little acceptance for theirs. :)

[droggen]

Originally posted by TheAbominatrix
Actually that's my bad, I misunderstood. And I wasnt offended anyway.

Yes this man is wrong, yes he's uneducated, but have you noticed most of the things that have been said in this thread? Your post is remarkably well balanced, but some cruel and closed-minded things have been said about religion in this thread.

I'd say to this man the same thing I'd say to some of the people in this thread. If you dont like it, dont expose yourself to it. Let people do and believe what they want, unless it starts hurting others, and don't fight closed-minded attitudes with equally closed-minded words. Tolerance is a two way street. Dont expect a group of people to be accepting of your beliefs if you cant show a little acceptance for theirs. :)

(Crowd stand's up and cheer's!)
Yay finaly someone gets it!:)

[Zild]

*Wipes a single tear from his eye...*

[haravikk]

LOL, personally I found that whole review funny, perhaps it wasn't meant to be funny but it had me laughing!

I reckon though that this person is as addicted to the game as the rest of us, they just want to put on a facade of not being evil satanists like us :)

[Yrkoon]

lmfao that guy seems a bit rejected he says at least twice that theres blood in the game when you fight things thats funny i dont remember any blood or gore in ffx...

lol i want to shove that game down the guys throat :)


added it to favourites to show my m8 for the comedy value alone its too funny that the guys been serious.... :)

(wonders if the guy actually played it :rolleyes2

[§håd0w]

when seymour summons anima, when home is attacked, when yojimbo uses zenmato. theres blood in all of those scenes

[Yrkoon]

ya i think i remember it now :)

i think whats already been said tho the guys missing the fact its a FANTASY game :)

im christian my self but i hate people who preach christianity like the guy who reviews games on that site :( if you want a real laugh check out the guys review for clive barkers undying (good game) the wierdo gave it 9 % tho lol

[Sin Harvest]

"ILLEGAL/HARMFUL MATERIAL
The harmful content of this game comes from the different occult/supernatural elements (noted below)."

oh no, not the supernatural elements ! like fire and water
what will we ever do if fire and water became real !?
mabey there will be policmen who will do something about its illegalness and save us all from the occult.

this guy really needs to just chill out.

[TheAbominatrix]

Yes, but last time I checked, making fire and water appear from thin air by 'spell-casting' is supernatural.

[PhoenixAsh]

Did ANYONE read the site?

I may have missed something but the point of the site is to tell Christian parents who want to raise their kids that way which games will expose children to things that don't follow the Christian moral code.

Now honestly I object to raising children like that, but he believes he should and it's his duty to protect the next generation from sin (I imagine).

If you have a problem with Christianity or censorship then thats an EoEO matter. His opinions on the game and that review are perfectly justified from his standpoint.

EDIT: I suppose I should write his interpretation of Christianity for now instead of actual Christianity. Though that's a disclaimer, I haven't seen anything too far from the Bible yet.

[TheAbominatrix]

Nope, you're pretty much right. But it is sort of an interpretation, because in the days in which the Bible was written, of course games like FFX werent around. Is it a sin to have pretend people use pretend magic? I dunno. I certainly dont think so. But maybe it is. And that was a wonderful answer, Phoenix.

Things like sorcery and violence are prohibited in the Bible, and they are considered sins. There are many Christian magazines that review movies, video games, and such from a Christian viewpoint. This guy didnt do too good of a job in my opinion, I've found better reviews myself, but yeah, it's his point of view, and the p.o.v. of many others. *shrugs*

[PhoenixAsh]

Thanks TheAbominatrix, coming from you that says a lot.

I've looked at the site in more detail, and yes he DOES play the games, or at least does very in depth research. I was expecting him to slip up on Enter the Matrix, because a lot of things are overlooked, but he mentioned everything.

[Sin Harvest]

Originally posted by TheAbominatrix
Yes, but last time I checked, making fire and water appear from thin air by 'spell-casting' is supernatural.

notice that he just said the elements themselves were supernatural, as well as saying that making them appear was.

[Leia]

Hahahahahaaha...
oh dear there's magic involved lets all start a war! And wot's with the word 'evil' everywhere? They're making out as if the game's sum sort of weapon not 2 go near!!! And as for the nudity/sexual content:
" One of the friendly characters sports a thong type outfit"
It's hardly porn coming from a beast!!!! lol
:D :D :D

[Pucca]

Originally posted by PhoenixAsh
...it's his duty to protect the next generation from sin (I imagine).

Heehe- SIN!! :evilking: Ach, well!

That was a pretty unfair review of the game, but it is from a christain site and the reviewer was obviously very rigid in his views. We shouldn't be putting him down....

BUT HE PUT FF10 DOWN!!!!

I think he just plyed the game biased from the start. I can't remember it enough to quote, but I remember the evil, revealing thong type outfits and Lulus 'anmple bosom' all too well!! Pagan beliefs, I tell you.

Get. A. Life.

Don't take him too seriously, its obvious he does that already!

[soulICE]

if he was complaining of the three instances of when theres blood in FFX, wonder how he felt about FF7... (just reviewing the Shinra building part would give him a fright) or the other FF's.. tho i dont remember that much blood in the others..

as for the rest of the article, i got a good laugh out of it. his words dont affect my view of the game, nor will he ever be able to do anything about it. cheers to freedom and education.