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SuperPac

08-10-2003, 06:03 AM

FFX's voice acting was more than decent, it was just poorly mixed. Well, okay, so it didn't match their lips at all, and the talking sounded more like multiple sound clips put together than a conversation.

SPOILERS ABOUND

What you're denying, Blanco, is that FF9 DID have that stuff, especially toward the end. Remember Terra...? Clones, anyone? The Invincible?

In fact, 5 had space/time travel, and even 2 had a bit. The inside of the Dreadnaught was quite high tech, at least by the standards of what we had back then. 4 as well.

So basically, while the whole series has become much more tech oriented, none of the games have ever been completely fantasy. Technology has always been an underlying theme. I just hope they go back to that, with it being an "underlying theme" rather than the main focus.

project_mayhem

08-10-2003, 05:24 PM

i see what you all are saying but i personally like all the technology

my favorite ff games are vii and viii

mostly for the stories

and those are probably the two most technologicly advanced settings for ff

i never played the first ones though... :(
i started witth 7... played all the way up till 10....beat all of them atleast once(except for ten because my playsttaion went defunct :( )

then went back and played 5-6
and tactics

i blather what the fuuk am i talkin about

BuffaloFantasy

08-10-2003, 08:34 PM

Whoops, I don't think that post really said what I wanted to say. I don't know what I was thinking when I posted that... What I meant was that for XII I want it to have the feel of a fantasy game, like more adventure, and everything bigger. Like a huge city that towers over you, and actually looks like a city. Not like what was in 10, just supposedly large cities where you could only explore or see the part of it where you have to go in order to progress through the town. It needs more exploration. It can have machines and all that, but everything need to be in larger scale. Also it needs a OVERWORLD again, and you need to pilot vehicles and ride chocobos over large distances. Now that I think about what I was saying, I realize that a fantasy game CAN have technology. The definition of the word "fantasy" in the webster's dictionary is "imagination" or "product of an imagination. Final fantasy is the product of a video game team's imagination, so I think it is fantasy. But the term I was looking for is "fantastic" or "unbelievable." Things or people who just make you go "WOW!" and make you feel like you are actually there in that land, trying to defeat sin or hunt down Sephiroth. I am not denying that the past final fantasy games are really really great games, its just I believe a videogame like this with a reputation can be brought to such heights that will amaze the gaming world. This also applys to any other videogame.

And, OK, maybe Final Fantasy's 10's voiceacting wasn't SO bad, but it still annoyed me like no tommorow. I agree with what some other guy said about different voice samples that didn't really mix.

Hmm......Now I wonder if any of that even makes any sense. I probably contradicted myself a few times...

Note: Did I just write all that? Wow, I musta been bored.

Zild

08-14-2003, 05:09 PM

I'm so glad you added that...

Fantasy to me (and according to BuffaloFantasy, the dictionary) means "imaginary". It's probably through various fantasy role-playing games (naming none in particular) that fantasy is associated with dragons, magic, swords etc...

To say that machines are non-fantasy is a bit weird. One could easily say that humans (or even living creatures) are not fantasy.

Swords are not fantasy.

These things exist in the real world.

In fact, one could argue that the machines, the "un-fantasy" portion that you wanted removed are even more of a fantasy than the swords and creatures...

Swords exist, creatures of much diversity exist. But much of the technology in FF is far from what exists on our planet.

BuffaloFantasy: I know you retracted your statement, I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm merely trying to explain my viewpoint. That is as follows...

The machines of the FF interest me probably more than things like swords or strange creatures, etc... although they are technology, they are far removed from what we use in the real world. These to me show some interesting fantastical (?) conversions of modern technology. In fact, the marriage between magic and machine (particularly in 7) was VERY ppealing to me.

I'm not saying there should be more machines, but I'm definitely not saying there should be less either!

On a side-note, does it seem like they tried to remove machines from 10? The whole thing about Yevon banning machina may have caused a lower level of mechanisation compared to earlier FFs, or perhaps it may have been used as the result... Though I believe the former.

That said, I like the point about some machina being okay (I can't remember for certain, but would the stadium at Luca required a lot of technology?)

A classical example of the hypocracy of religions...

edczxcvbnm

08-15-2003, 04:29 PM

It would be awesome in FFXII if you could start a pimping ring to get your extra money! Think about it. Every town you go to you just get a few girls and start pimpin' them. Thats extra cash flow. If they don't pay up go pay them a visit and maybe kill one of them. It would be like the SeeD salary in FF8...except this is in addtion to cash you have from battle and its pimpin'!

SuperPac

08-16-2003, 05:40 AM

Ya know, I understand what's being said about fantasy, but I'm thinking of Fantasy as a genre. I understand that the word fantasy has been twisted from what it means, just as so many other words have (cool, hot, for examples.). Still, though, I'd like a little less technology. To be honest, I love the tech, and I had no problem with VII or VIII, it's just that the latter had a little too much tech., and it makes one wonder what the point of swords was exactly. Okay, so they explained that, but still they seemed out of place. Tech is cool, I just don't want the game based around it or to have too much of it. Ya know, kind of like IX, where it had alot of "Fantasy" setting, and then a bit of tech setting at the end. I'd like a little more tech than IX, but still, it's the best example.

Zild

08-16-2003, 05:57 AM

As long as there's an airship, I'll be happy! :p

Rostum

08-20-2003, 08:35 AM

I'd like to note that "fantasy" isn't just about swords and magic, it's about the imagination. You ever heard of Sci-Fi? That's fantasy. You can't seperate "fantasy" as it's own genre and give "tech" an opposite side.

I don't know why people think the word "fantasy" means JUST swords, magic, etc. But I'd also like to note that I would love more mysterious places, without technology. With nice swords, magic etc.

Zild

08-20-2003, 10:52 AM

Maybe you've just proven why they always say "fantasy" (aside from various, highly-popular fantasy RPGs that have minimal tech...)

As soon as you say tech, people know what you mean... But there is no single word that describes swords, magic, dragons etc as tech does cars, airships, guns and so forth... Perhaps the more correct term should be sci-fi

Since there is no word for "fantasy" as it has been called so often, people have adopted fantasy most likely because of those popular games.

In fact, despite what I've said before the whole fantasy genre seems to be divided into two main groups - sci-fi and "fantasy"... (plus of course those which include both.)

It would be strange if no parellel of sci-fi existed, but it can also be awkward at times because that chosen word happens to have two related but different meanings...

Stupid English language :p

Rostum

08-21-2003, 10:31 AM

Yeah, heh, that's true. It'd be a whole lot easier if they classified it as 'medieval fantasy' with swords and magic and such, and 'sci-fi'. Meh, I guess it's upto the person then, just make sure you people explain it clearley. ;)

thirstyforblood

08-22-2003, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by BuffaloFantasy
I truly hope that FFXII brings the back the fantasy feel of the games. No machines, just swords and magic. Its is a fantasy game, afterall. Also I want better voiceacting that doesnt embarass me when I here it. In 10 I almost turned off the TV because it was so dumb.
These are my opinions, please respect them.

You want all Final Fantasys to be exauly the same huh? That sucks!

It would be boring..... And I liked the voices on FFX, Yuna's makes me horny....:love:

Kenshin IV

08-22-2003, 05:53 AM

Riiight.... Anyway, they need to just stop making FF games... seriously. Eight through Ten have been less than stellar (I'm being nice here), and they just need to quit before they run the series completely into the ground. Of course, with Ten-Two (what a horrid name) coming out, it might be a little too late for that.... Square needs to focus on other series, like the Chrono or Mana series.
Eventhough I think they should stop making immediate Final Fantasy games, I don't think they should stop with Tactics or Crystal Chronicle. Tactics was well deserving of a few sequels, and I have high hopes for Crystal Chronicle.

thirstyforblood

08-22-2003, 09:51 PM

I hope they never stop makeing Final Fantasys... And I hope they make another Chrono game too...Has anyone herd anything about that?

elemental-force

08-22-2003, 11:44 PM

if they would stop making final fantasy square enix would go bank rupt

and speaking of square enix the game they just made (unlimited saga) suck major a$$. The over wold is a joke. When you move on the over world map you guy looks like a game peice and you have to follow a path. If square enix keeps making games like that then......

SuperPac

08-23-2003, 05:42 AM

Word. Man, that game is lame. And the animation (when there is animation) is pretty good, but not deserving of the PS2. Yeah, Square Enix really needs to release a good, smash hit, and then I'll respect the merger...

inlineskating29

08-23-2003, 03:34 PM

i cant belive my ears

Anyway, they need to just stop making FF games... seriously. Eight through Ten have been less than stellar (I'm being nice here), and they just need to quit before they run the series completely into the ground. Of course, with Ten-Two (what a horrid name) coming out, it might be a little too late for that

are u crazy Final Fantasy is one of the best scratch that

Final Fantasy is The Best RPG Game i have Ever played

and with XI coming out in usa in oct

can u guys believe this guy what is he thinking

just shoot him

inlineskating29

08-23-2003, 03:40 PM

the Reason FF Games Are Fantasy is cause they havent happend and most of the time in reall life if u get shot (like in FFX at the wedding seen when u fought those bad ppl) u got shot at least once and did u die no

and when u get hit by a sword most of the time u would die

and then there is magic whitch there is no sutch thing as magic

maybe in the old days of Xenia And herculeys (how ever it is spelled)
they might of had magic but not in the year 2003

PS this as nothing to do with FF Gams... but they should really make a highlander game

u know with the immortal ppl

Ryan

08-24-2003, 04:45 AM

what we need here is a final fantasy that feels more like a platformer. In particular Jak and daxter. That sort of explorability added to the sort of camera work that they did in X would be awsome. I'm sick of the screen going black to load a new background every 3 seconds. i also want to see the more physically inclined characters get more to play with than just the "attack" option. BORING!

I don't really have an opinion on the technology aspect of it. I don't care if it has machines or not as long as it all works well as a story.

ZeZipster

08-24-2003, 05:39 AM

Originally posted by Ryan
what we need here is a final fantasy that feels more like a platformer. In particular Jak and daxter. That sort of explorability added to the sort of camera work that they did in X would be awsome. I'm sick of the screen going black to load a new background every 3 seconds. i also want to see the more physically inclined characters get more to play with than just the "attack" option. BORING!

I don't really have an opinion on the technology aspect of it. I don't care if it has machines or not as long as it all works well as a story.

I want exactly the opposite of what you just said.

Mr. Graves

08-24-2003, 02:26 PM

Well, I just hope it's not going to be one of those "interactive movie" games where it's mostly cinematics and little gameplay.

Ryan

08-24-2003, 05:09 PM

Well, I just hope it's not going to be one of those "interactive movie" games where it's mostly cinematics and little gameplay.

yea i dig what you mean. Those have a place, but that style could be annoying for a final fantasy game

I want exactly the opposite of what you just said.

So what do you want?

Kenshin IV

08-25-2003, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by elemental-force
if they would stop making final fantasy square enix would go bank rupt

Ha! Yeah, you go on believing that.

Originaly posted by inlineskating29
are u crazy Final Fantasy is one of the best scratch that

lmao u r so rite i dun no wut i wuz thinkn!!1

As of now, it looks as if Square has completely run out of good ideas with the Final Fantasy series, and should just quit before they utterly destroy it. Ten-Two (AWFUL NAME) is proof of this. Who knows though, maybe they'll surprise me with Twelve and/or Thirteen, and they will be right up there with Four through Seven........................ but I doubt it.
I know for a fact that there is no way Square is going to stop making Final Fantasy games anytime soon, because too many rabid fan-boys and fan-girls (don't want to discriminate) are going to buy anything that has the "Final Fantasy" symbol on it... no matter how awful it is.

Ryan

08-25-2003, 04:12 AM

As of now, it looks as if Square has completely run out of good ideas with the Final Fantasy series, and should just quit before they utterly destroy it. Ten-Two (AWFUL NAME) is proof of this. Who knows though, maybe they'll surprise me with Twelve and/or Thirteen, and they will be right up there with Four through Seven........................ but I doubt it.

What do you have against X-2, other than the name?

I haven't plaved 4 5 or 6 but what makes them superior games?

Kenshin IV

08-26-2003, 12:32 AM

Everything.

And play them for yourself and you'll find out.

By the way, is it really necessary to quote the person above you? o_O

ZeZipster

08-26-2003, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by Ryan
So what do you want?

Isn't it obvious? I don't want what you want. You want action... Here's a question, instead of asking for a crappy RPG why don't you just get an action game? I'm sick of this updating, renewing, revolutionizing stuff Square keeps trying. It seems like every thing square craps out people rave about. I cannot see why Square keeps on updating and trying to be different then going ahead and dipping there feet in to some thing different. FFX-2 was a disgrace to FFX it was obvisoully a sorry attempt to attract perves.

Kawaii Ryûkishi

08-26-2003, 01:35 AM

Way to judge a book by its cover, there.

Ryan

08-26-2003, 08:28 PM

I'm sick of this updating, renewing, revolutionizing stuff Square keeps trying

Sillly monkey you can't fly. Here are some princibles of business for you. you have to update a product to make it keep it's novelty appeal to the market. If they didn't update then we would all still be playing FF 1. All other sectors of the video game industry would be making games designed for the PS2 and X Box and what have you, and square would be pumping out games you might expect to see on the atari. Plus you should commend them for trying different things in videogame making because even though it is necessary for their company to stay afloat, it is also quite risky to try new things, especialy in an industry such as this one. Some new things work and others don't. That's what this thread is about, what is somehting that you would like to see in a final fantasy.

I'm gonna risk being off topic for a second to ask you a question. Have you thought that FF X-2 isn't a shot at the perv market as much as it is to the female market?3 strong female leads? hmmmm....

Back on topic: so who is getting a little tired of monsters carrying around money? Isn't it time to try something new? Maybe they will with XII. I hope so.

Rostum

08-27-2003, 08:31 AM

I agree with you on that statement Ryan, but one thing I don't is how you want it to be more of a platform game. Final Fantasy is an RPG, not a platform, and it will stay an RPG because that's what the series is.

If Square wanted to make a platform, I don't think they'd be making it Final Fantsy, it'd be a different game. The whole fact that FF is an RPG is what brings people to love it.

Ryan

08-28-2003, 01:30 AM

Very very true and i'm sorry if i didn't say this. I would want it to reamin an RPG, with the leveling up and the skills and the battle and the whole nine yards, i just wanted to see elements of other genres be brought in to give the RPG a new feel while retaining the elements that make it an RPG

thirstyforblood

08-28-2003, 01:47 AM

thats what I was thinking

inlineskating29

08-30-2003, 06:29 PM

Isn't it obvious? I don't want what you want. You want action... Here's a question, instead of asking for a crappy RPG why don't you just get an action game? I'm sick of this updating, renewing, revolutionizing stuff Square keeps trying. It seems like every thing square craps out people rave about. I cannot see why Square keeps on updating and trying to be different then going ahead and dipping there feet in to some thing different. FFX-2 was a disgrace to FFX it was obvisoully a sorry attempt to attract perves.

just cause yuna wears nothing well almost nothing doesnt mean she is a ho slut whore... etc

and it doesnt mean there attracting perves

the only reason they made her dress like that was cause it is 2 years after sin and life has changed

yuna only wore so mutch close in the FFX was cause she was all proper and spiras guidance type person

u know

ps sry for typping so mutch and quoteing so mutch crap