FFVII movie - who cares?

[Flying Mullet]

With all of the talk about the new FFVII movie, is there anyone else out there other than me that really doesn't care about it?

I for one am not looking forward to it, I am not on the edge of my seat and I don't look forward to new info every day.

[Kindo]

And you thought you "not caring" was important enough to start a whole new topic? :)

[Flying Mullet]

Yes, I did. I think that this movie is setup for total failure. It's been over 6 years since this game came out. In this time so many people have come up with so many fan-fiction sequels and such that there is no way that this movie can live up to the expectations to be a success. The movie will either run in one direction and be so in-depth that a small percentage will love it, or it will be a very generic "try-to-appeal-to-everybody" movie that turns off those that love the game the most. Either way I think that this movie will bomb, and that's why I don't care about this movie.

Thoughts?

[Kindo]

You know, you could share your thoughts on this thing in the real thread about the movie. No need to go create something new just to get more attention. In any case, I agree with you. I don't think it will be able to live up to the expectations. But that doesn't mean I will buy it the day it is released. ;)

[Flying Mullet]

Originally posted by Kindo
\No need to go create something new just to get more attention.
Aren't we friendly today?

The reason I created a seperate thread about this rather than add to the existing thread is because that is because I wanted to discuss the reasons that this movie will bomb, is overhyped, etc...

[Black Waltz No3]

I agree. It's almost a violation of the great game FFVII was! Look at it. When FFVII ended The Human Race had been wiped out by Holy! Not only that but Sephiroth is DEAD! This is simply a contrived way of making money and NOTHING about the art that FFVII is. Pure cash cow.

[Advent Child]

I don't care that much abuot it being FF7, I just think they made cloud look very cool, and the fight scenes don't look bad either.

[crono_logical]

If I can get to see it for free/can download i, I'll watch it, but I'm not particularly bothered about it really and don't mind if I miss it :p

[Kindo]

Originally posted by The Dude
Aren't we friendly today?

The reason I created a seperate thread about this rather than add to the existing thread is because that is because I wanted to discuss the reasons that this movie will bomb, is overhyped, etc...
Yeah, sorry about earlier. I was in a weird mood because of... personal reasons. I don't know why I reacted the way I did, I'm sorry. Thank you for not starting to scream at me, atleast. :)

Well, I don't know about over-hyped... I mean, people have been waiting for a sequel to FF7 for six years now... and the expectations are really high. I really doubt they'll be able to live up to them, but since it's the same team that worked with the game, I'm sure they won't ruin something that was done in the game. Resurrecting Aeris would be really lame, for example. So... I kinda believe it won't be a total disappointment, but it'll never be able to live up to the expectations.

[Black Waltz No3]

And Ressurecting Sephiroth ISN'T lame?

[Kindo]

Yeah, that would also be lame. I mean, FF7's story feels complete but yet open for sequels, somehow. But there are some things in the game that should remain untouched. Aeris and Sephiroth's deaths for example.

[Cloudane]

I'm both nervous and excited at the thought.

The beauty of FF7's ending being so open was that it allowed you to create the 'ending after the ending' that you wanted in your mind. Many people have done this with fanfics, theories etc.

Now Square are about to reveal the real ending - are *any* of the theories or fanfics going to be close to the truth?

As one of the Square guys said when discussing the idea of FF7-2 a while back, paraphrased, "FF7 was such a success, any possible follow-up can't be taken lightly. It would have to be of the highest quality"

[Strider]

The bad thing about this sequel is that, like other people might or might not have mentioned (I haven't read all the posts in all the threads), it completely negates the controversial ambiguity of the ending of the game. When you see Red XIII running with his descendants past the ruins of Midgar, you used to wonder "So was the human race eliminated?"

Obviously, you know the answer to the question now, and it kinda puts a damper on what mystery the game had around it. For that reason, I've always been skeptical of the possibility of a sure-fire sequel and, also for that reason, I wouldn't be interested in what happens after the real crisis.

[Liquid Glass]

Personally I never thought that the human race was wiped out, I don't know why, but I just didn't. And who Knows, maybe Sephiroth wasnt resurrected . It could be...jenova.....

[Cloudane]

Obviously, you know the answer to the question now

Actually I don't know.... maybe Star Scar Syndrome is Holy eliminating the human race, just over time rather than everyone's vision of an instant 'poof'. On the other hand, as I said in the Big Thread, maybe the syndrome is Jenova imposing the same disease that he/she did on the Cetra *shrugs*

[Strider]

Well, yeah, but what I meant was that it seems clear that they survived Meteor, at the very least. They lived after their mission was complete, and now something else is coming along.

[BG-57]

A lot can happen in 500 years.

What I find almost as interesting as the movie is in the reactions people have to it, even at this stage.

As a fanfic writer, I'm engaged in essentially revisionist history, because what I write about, by definition, didn't happen in the game. I'm curious if other people see this movie as revisionist history of the events of FFVII.

[Advent Child]

I think this takes place 2 years after, not 500 years.

[zacks_clone]

Afew questions for you to concider:

How do you know its sephiroth?It could be a clone

How do we know that the human race was whiped out?

Afew things to keep in mind:

Sephiroth only appears to be back.Sofar I only see pictures of him going into the flames.There is another character which appears to be sephiroth,only with shorter hair.perhaps he and the 'sephiroth' we all belive is sephiroth,is really this short haired man befor a hair cut?( never know)

And either way,we can do little to nothing about the upcomming movie.I am excited,yet i dont wish to destroy my idea for the future,the future that was never talked about in fianl fantasy 7 the game.

[Black Waltz No3]

I just hope this is a prequal. Not a sequal. That is the only way this can possibly make sense.

Otherwise Square may aswell bugger off as far as I'm concerned. Money grabbing tossers. :(

[Kindo]

It is a sequel that takes place 2 years after the events in FF7!


That's what the TRAILER says:

"This is not for playing."
*You see the ending of FF7*
"2 years later"

[TheAbominatrix]

Sephiroth being alive is simply the lamest thing ever. Whether he's a clone, JENOVA, resurrected, whatever is just lame. Unless it's maybe a flashback or a nightmare. Otherwise... I mean jeez, I know Seph was a major cash cow and he has legions of drooling fans who would cut off their own genitalia to touch him (I love exagerrating!), but c'mon, let it go.

I'm not excited, no. I will see it, definitly. The only things I search for is the pictures, because Cloud looks really cool, and I'm hoping to see Tifa and some of the other characters all maxed out and such. All I can hope for is that I will be pleasantly surprised.

[Nakor TheBlue Rider]

I found it quite clear to see that the fire scene was a flashback.

The dude in a wheelchair is Sephy after FF7.....Who then recovers and Cuts his Hair. How can you not get that interpritation.

This whole movie makes perfect sense if you think about it.

We all know Jenovah Cells have Regenerative effects.

Obviosly Sephy wasnt killed but merly severly wounded in FF7 and has now healed. The human race was never destroyed (What are you on drugs? Who would think that square would kill off humans?) and Cloud must now find a way to truly kill sephy.


I dont get how everyone seemed to miss that while watching the movie...All this "Who's in the Wheelchair" and "Is that Sephiroth?"

[TheAbominatrix]

Mind marking your spoilers? Not everyone at the forums has finished VII.

Anyway... that's even lamer, I think. How was he not killed after being beaten by the party, then by Cloud, then had the Northern crater blow up on him? I think that's more than a tad silly.

[Erdrick the Hero]

maybe when the lifestream exploded... seph went back to the lifestream... ever think of that?

maybe he was only wounded and the his body explosion was just to signify his bound with jenova being broken

[TheAbominatrix]

Originally posted by Erdrick the Hero
maybe when the lifestream exploded... seph went back to the lifestream... ever think of that?

maybe he was only wounded and the his body explosion was just to signify his bound with jenova being broken

It's certainly possible, and that's actually a satisfying theory for me, but I think it's just silly to have him back. Period.

[Erdrick the Hero]

i agree with ya there... just trying to solve some problems... seems too.... convenient

[HOOTERS]

I don't care who the hell they resurrect, whether it's Sephiroth, Aeris, or bloody Big Bird, I'm just glad they're finally making a sequel that so many fans of the game have been waiting for but Square has been too scared to make it in case it doesn't live up to the expectations. Who cares? FF7 is always going to be a great game, and just because die-hard fans are going to hyperventilate because Sephiroth's shoelaces aren't the same, and critics are going to scoff at the inconsistancies of the sub-sub-sub plot, won't make it any less so.

[Xander]

I'm not really bothered either way about this movie. For one thing it will be ages before it's even released in the UK. Secondly...I'd be more excited about a game than a movie but even then, it doesn't really matter to me if they make one or not.
FFVII was FFVII, it's fine as it is, in a way I don't think it should be touched or any new version, movie or game brought out, but in another way it would be good to see the characters in better graphics, and with voices whether that's in a game or a movie. Because it will just be interesting to see my fave FF7 characters looking better than the polygons they were. :p

But.. I don't want the movie to change the game, such as bringing back characters who are dead or ...anything like that, ya know? I was happy with the way FF7 turned out.

Anyway I'm just more excited for X-2 at the moment, that's probably a little closer to arriving here than this film ;)

[Kenshin IV]

I have to agree with the person who made this thread. Advent Children is Square's worst idea since... well, since X-2. Square seems to be throwing out bad ideas on a daily basis now.

[Nakor TheBlue Rider]

I feel the opposite.

I think there finnally getting smart.

The last 5 Ideas are ground breaking and I hope will be very successful.

I like the new Direction square is going.

[Sephiroth13]

Many of you say how dumb it would be if (Spoiler) Aeris or Sephiroth were resurrected or brought back or whatever, I highly doubt Aeris will be "resurrected", but I am sure she will be in the movie somehow.

As for sephiroth, how could he not be alive in the movie, I dont think it would be much good if it were just some FF7 movie that didnt include Seph in any large way. And Seph is the money maker, I dont think they would make anything FF7 without including him.

[ZeZipster]

Originally posted by Nakor TheBlue Rider
I feel the opposite.

I think there finnally getting smart.

The last 5 Ideas are ground breaking and I hope will be very successful.

I like the new Direction square is going.


I'm severely discontent with you. What a horrid thing to say. Role Playing Games were Square's cognition, they knew that they weren't like action games they knew that drawing a crowd in through "action" was not their forte they knew that story-line, game-play, and effort was what decided the quality of their games. To the many connoisseurs of RPGs Square-Enix has subsided from RPGs in to only the things they find profitable, which thanks to an insane zealous fan-base is an incredibly large field. It's sad that any thing Square promiscuously creates you'll support. Don't you see that them creating a sequel that is nothing but continuing the plot on a screen is different from them actually creating a sequel? When I played FF7 I had interaction and options, how much of that will you be getting from a movie? Doesn't it bug you that Squares sequels are nothing like the originals?

[18Darkdragon]

Originally posted by The Dude
It's been over 6 years since this movie came out.

i didnt no there was a hole movie about ff7 was it good or did it sux

[TheAbominatrix]

Originally posted by 18Darkdragon
i didnt no there was a hole movie about ff7 was it good or did it sux

There wasnt. I think he just meant game and typed movie.

[Black Waltz No3]

My hopes are now dashed.

The fact is that this is a simple cash cow. Humannity WAS killed. Bugenhagen near enough stated that humans would be wiped out by Holy. It just makes sense. Look at Shinra and the Mako reactors. They were created by PEOPLE. Humans. It would be in the planets best intrests to wipe us out and give the planet to Nanaki's tribe.

Yet here we have a thing where everyone's back and all happy. Ressurected from the dead. No doubt we'll see Dyne come back and do the can-can with Barret while a Mog does cartwheels...

Square is losing it. FFX-2? Crap. FFVII-2? Crapper.

[Big D]

Originally posted by Black Waltz No3
My hopes are now dashed.

The fact is that this is a simple cash cow. Humannity WAS killed. Bugenhagen near enough stated that humans would be wiped out by Holy. It just makes sense. Look at Shinra and the Mako reactors. They were created by PEOPLE. Humans. It would be in the planets best intrests to wipe us out and give the planet to Nanaki's tribe.No. He hinted at the possibility that humans might be 'judged'. Humans - Cloud, Barret, Yuffie, Tifa etc - helped to save the world, humans are descendents of the Cetra. Nothing in the game suggests anything more than the possibility that humanity might pay the ultimate price for the actions of a few. Anyway... when Holy emerged from the North Cave, the first people it encountered were those on the Highwind. They were practically inside Holy, yet weren't harmed. There's no logical argument why Holy would spare them but eradicate Marlene, Elmyra, the Travelling Man from Kalm and everyone else in the world.

Hating a movie because it differs from your assumptions is a little silly.

Square is losing it. FFX-2? Crap. FFVII-2? Crapper. Shouldn't you perhaps wait till you see it before deciding for sure?

[Flying Mullet]

Originally posted by 18Darkdragon
i didnt no there was a hole movie about ff7 was it good or did it sux
I changed it to game since I confused you so much.

[Kindo]

Originally posted by Black Waltz No3
My hopes are now dashed.

The fact is that this is a simple cash cow. Humannity WAS killed. Bugenhagen near enough stated that humans would be wiped out by Holy. It just makes sense. Look at Shinra and the Mako reactors. They were created by PEOPLE. Humans. It would be in the planets best intrests to wipe us out and give the planet to Nanaki's tribe.

Yet here we have a thing where everyone's back and all happy. Ressurected from the dead. No doubt we'll see Dyne come back and do the can-can with Barret while a Mog does cartwheels...

The AC movie takes place only 2 years after the meteor incident, and according to various sources, the humans have already begun to be eradicated. The Star-Scar Syndrome.
The scene at the end of the game is 500 years later... which clearly shows that all humans have been eliminated, and Nanaki's tribe is still alive.
So in the movie, they haven't all been "resurrected", they've just started dying.

[ZeZipster]

Square is still messing with the classics. They go quite some time and develop a "once it's released we'll only remake it" kind of status and then suddenly breaks it with what is NOT a resemblance of the original. I don't understand Square at all they make HUGE profit with FF-7, so they steer away from that style?

[Cloudane]

FF7 movie is immediate profit.

Square are no longer the "warm and fuzzy" small guys they used to be... especially with Enix.

An unfortunate real-life fact of capitalism is that frankly they don't really care what you think any more - they have shareholders to please. If (arguably) cheapening FF7 and FFX to milk the profitability of their legacy makes good money, then that is what they will do.

[Nakor TheBlue Rider]

well I for one like all the new things square is trying..... I always wanted to see FF in other types of games and in movies.

But hey.... I like the "Spirits Within" Movie. :D

[Big D]

The scene at the end of the game is 500 years later... which clearly shows that all humans have been eliminated, and Nanaki's tribe is still alive.
It "clearly shows" nothing of the sort. All we see are the overgrown ruins of Midgar, which proves that the city was abandoned - but then, it was a ruin after Meteor's assault. We see Nanaki and his offspring, and a few birds. Doesn't prove that there are no humans at all. After all, we don't see any moogles, chocobos or cats in that scene, and no-one's contending that they were obliterated. Besides, a child's laughter is clearly audible in the background as that scene fades out.

[Cloudane]

It *could* be argued that the children you hear laughing are simply cubs of Nanaki's tribe.

That said, no that ending doesn't show anything clearly :)

What's more, it's just one 'prediction' of the future. Many future-related events in games and movies are the type of events that you or the protagonist goes back in time to prevent.

Of course, if you stick to Einstein realism, then that's out :D

[Big D]

Quite. One of the biggest "talking points" about FFVII is its uncertain ending. It's not possible to know for certain what happened; however Advent Children is certainly going to resolve some of those issues, it seems.:)

You know what's strange?

For a long time, a lot of people complained that FFVII should have some kind of follow-up, either a sequel or prequel, movie or game. They said that Square was refusing because they're a selfish profit-driven company which cares about nothing but making money.

Now, however, a sequel's been announced, and people are saying that it's proof that Square's a selfish profit-driven company which cares about nothing but making money.

Looks like you just can't please everybody...

[Cloudane]

LOL that's the truth :p

Some wanted a follow-up, some didn't. Seems a common thing between us all is that Square / Enix / Microsoft / Sony et al are all evil :D

[TheAbominatrix]

Evil, but we'll play their games and support them. Makes sense. *rolls eyes*

Now I'm not looking foward to this, but Square gave the people what they wanted, and for that I'm happy. It may be another way to get money, but if there was no demand for it, then they wouldnt be making it and we wouldnt be getting it.

[Cloudane]

aye, they're not really evil. Unlike Microsoft :D

Every FF I have is legal, which is something for me.

Making money is a simple fact. That's what they're there for. As a bonus they please us too, and in turn that makes more money. But it's not a dirty thing, everyone has to eat.

[Liquid Glass]

Plus, like another thread stated, by some other members, Square is trying new things to see what we freaking hate, and what we freaking love, plus, all companys are money grabbers, and Square has always been a money grabber, just with a couple of great games, they arent perfect, Some people liked FF6 some liked FF7 and/or ff8, people like ff10.

No one will ever be happy, get over it, stop whining, and move on If you don't like Square anymore, leave the ones who do alone.

[Dr. Casey]

Originally posted by HOOTERS
and critics are going to scoff at the inconsistancies of the sub-sub-sub plot

Heh... awesome quote. I'll have to use that one sometime.

Yeah, critics suck.

[ZeZipster]

Why does every one keep bringing up money? The original FF7 made money. It probably made more than any MMORPG or Movie.

[Jebus]

I don't see the need to argue over this. Sure its most likely to make money, but (I forgot who said this, and I'm too lazy to check) one of you said that we wouldn't get it, if the people didn't want it. Anyway, I'm just gonna see this as a kind of fan-fic. This in no way has to be official because Square made it. Draw your own conclusions.

[Shlup]

In anycase, I'm interested to at least see it. The graphics look wonderful to say the least.