clear this up for me, please.

[babybahamut]

bahamut is king of the dragons right? some fool is saying he isnt, so could as many people as possible verify this for me? thanks!

[Flying Mullet]

In the Final Fantasy series he's always been portrayed as the king of the dragons. Outside of the Final Fantasy series I can't say though.

[DocFrance]

In Islam, he's some sort of big fish that holds up the world, or something.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Islam's Bahamut and Kujata are basically the complement to Christianity's Leviathan and Behemoth. Bahamut and Leviathan being the big fish, of course, and Kujata and Behemoth being the land beasts. (Kujata is clearly defined as a bull, but Behemoth has always been an abstraction. Some assert that it's supposed to be an elephant of a hippopotamus, but that would just be lame.)

Square probably saw fit to turn the ultimate fish into the ultimate dragon because, in Japanese mythology, dragons are traditionally associated with water. What's peculiar is that, having done this, they designed their Bahamut akin to Western dragons, which are of course associated with fire. This was certainly to fit it into the Dungeons & Dragons, European fantasy-style setting they were trying to make, but it breaks the original connection entirely.



From Fantastic Zoology: Bahamut (http://www.hum.au.dk/romansk/borges/vakalo/zf/html/bahamut.html)
A Moslem tradition runs: God made the earth, but the earth had no base and so under the earth he made an angel. But the angel had no base and so under the angel's feet he made a crag of ruby. But the crag had no base and so under the crag he made a bull endowed with four thousand eyes, ears, nostrils, mouths, tongues, and feet. But the bull had no base and so under the bull he made a fish named Bahamut, and under the fish he put water, and under the water he put darkness, and beyond this men's knowledge does not reach.

So immense and dazzling is Bahamut that the eyes of man cannot bear its sight. All the seas of the world, placed in one of the fish's nostrils, would be like a mustard seed laid in the desert. In the 496th night of the Arabian Nights we are told that it was given to Isa [ Jesus] to behold Bahamut and that, this mercy granted, Isa fell to the ground in a faint, and three days and their nights passed before he recovered his senses.
The tale goes on that beneath the measureless fish is a sea; and beneath the sea, a chasm of air; and beneath the air, fire; and beneath the fire, a serpent named 'Falak' in whose mouth are the six hells.
From Fantastic Zoology: Kujata (http://www.hum.au.dk/romansk/borges/vakalo/zf/html/kujata.html)
Kujata stands on the back of the fish Bahamut; on the bull's back is a great rock of ruby, on the rock an angel, and on the angel rests our earth. Under the fish is a mighty sea, under the sea a vast abyss of air, under the air fire, and under the fire a serpent so great that were it not for the fear of Allah, this creature might swallow up all creation.Arrite.

[DocFrance]

That's one big effing fish.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

:aimsun:

[RaveME_102]

That was really really weird, and uncalled for. Don't do that again.~Gau

[TasteyPies]

Christian scientists speculate Leviathan was/is some sort of dinosaur that is/has yet to be extinct and ditto for behemoth.

There is alot of jungle/ocean that we have yet to explore...wonder what we will find.

[Rase]

Some think that the Leviathan is the brontosarous(sp?) and the Behemoth to be a dragon. These speculations fit the Biblical descriptions, as far as I know.

Anyway, as it was said, Bahamut is the King of Dragons in the FF series. In real life, he is a God in the Islamic religion.

[Doomgaze]

Bahamut is no more a god than the Leviathan, or the Archangel Michael...

[DocFrance]

Did anyone ever notice the similarities between the names "Behemoth" and "Bahamut?"

[TasteyPies]

Yes...whats the point your makin :shifty:

[Rase]

Bahamut is no more a god than the Leviathan, or the Archangel Michael...


God made the earth, but the earth had no base and so under the earth he made an angel. But the angel had no base and so under the angel's feet he made a crag of ruby. But the crag had no base and so under the crag he made a bull endowed with four thousand eyes, ears, nostrils, mouths, tongues, and feet. But the bull had no base and so under the bull he made a fish named Bahamut, and under the fish he put water, and under the water he put darkness, and beyond this men's knowledge does not reach.

Sorry, I missed this part. Thanks for clearing it up.

[Jebus]

In D&D Bahamut is the king of the good dragons, while Tiamat is the leader of the evil ones.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

And also, in D&D Bahamut is portrayed as a Platinum Dragon, the model having been adapted later to the god Paladine in the Dragonlance series.

[Sefie1999AD]

In D&D Bahamut is the king of the good dragons, while Tiamat is the leader of the evil ones.

It's that way in FF8 too. There Bahamut is the King of the Dragons, and Tiamat is the evil version of Bahamut. And while Bahamut uses Mega Flare, Tiamat uses Dark Flare. In FF4, Bahamut's nemesis was Wyvern (Dark Bahamut in FF4 J2e), and both dragons used Mega Flare.

[DJZen]

And in FFI, Bahamut was the king of dragons and Tiamat was a naughty dragon who was one of the 4 Fiends.