FF7 riddles

[Lenna]

The Lifestream?

[Perducci]

The Mako that Sephiroth is inside in the Northern Crater?

[-N-]

In a Mako Reactor
Lies the Lifestream

Not quite true, but fits the riddle.

[Lenna]

Yeah but Mako is the flow of the lifestream isn't it? When people die their souls return to the lifestream then create a new life. And Mako is drawn from the lifestream, without the lifestream there are no lives and without mako, there is no Lifestream?

[abrojtm]

In the Mako shell,
Lies Sephy (did someone already say this one xD?)

[DaremihC]

No, all of those were wrong... and my own stupid riddle is making me sad...

You guys are too unfocused... it's really specific... and... optional.
Hmmmmm... maybe if I gave another line?

In an un-natural powerhouse
Lies a natural powerhouse

Surrounded by past and future bound

That better? We'll see...

[Lenna]

Holy materia????

[Drift]

black materia?

[Lenna]

black materia was already said.

[DaremihC]

Naah...

Screw it... the answer is actually Titan materia...

Yah.. anyone can have this next one...

[Lenna]

A name of peace,
a place of memories,
an old man settles,
and tells his travels.

Never created a riddle before so sorry if it's too easy.

[abrojtm]

Kalm?

[Lenna]

told you it was easy :P

[abrojtm]

Twelve ways to see, twelve ways to go.
Take one there that comes with Throw.
She'll meet her fate, or will she not?
It's time to take back your spot.

The watery one will be your treat
If you manage to defeat.

Too easy...

[PhoenixAsh]

DaremihC don't worry too much, your riddle wasn't that bad. I kept circling round a materia that was in a Mako reactor, and kept thinking of Ultima, but that seemed like you'd have mentioned the well instead. I don't quite get the extra clue though...

My guess for the new riddle is Wutai side quests...

Twelve ways to see, twelve ways to go. (No idea)
Take one there that comes with Throw. (Yuffie has to come with you)
She'll meet her fate, or will she not? (The scene on the mountain)
It's time to take back your spot. (Spot I guess being a reference to materia)

The watery one will be your treat (Leviathan)
If you manage to defeat. (The pagoda)

EDIT: If thats right someone else take the next riddle.

[abrojtm]

Yea, the twelve part was because the padoga had 12 floors, I think.

[Llanowar]

try 5 floors one for each of the people you fight.

cmon people at least check facts when writing a riddle or entire lines don't fit.

[Lenna]

on Ancient grounds,
I die alone,
combined as one,
but 2 in whole,
a fortune lay within these walls,
only to destroy me.
As I sacrificed.

Eurgh im bad at writing riddles, but I'll do this one, seeing as no one else has lol. anyway. should be literally easy if you know what i'm on about lol

[Llanowar]

Aerith?

[Lenna]

nope

[My name is...something..?]

It's Cait Sith right?

[Lenna]

yep told you it was easy lol I really need to think of better riddles :(

[My name is...something..?]

I'm no good at writing them either, so I guess someone else will have to make one up

[Lenna]

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh will anyone make one up tho, lol or is it going to be the same people over and over again :( no one seems to want to make them, but they do want to solve them.

[My name is...something..?]

ok let's see here....

I'm a person from a hidden past
A friendship that wasn't meant to last
You'll quickly strike me down
And tell me my mistakes
You tell me things
to remove my frown
To find it was too late

Ok, go for it!

[My name is...something..?]

I already posted one dude...look up

[Lenna]

Lucrecia possibly?

[Llanowar]

that was what i thought too Reno.

[My name is...something..?]

nope

[Masamune·1600]

Okay....

I would guess that Dyne is the answer to My name is...something..?'s riddle and that....

Elmyra was the answer to the riddle that was erased while I was typing. Oh well.

[My name is...something..?]

Yep, that's the one, looks like your up

[Masamune·1600]

Well, this is not one of my best riddles, and it may prove to be difficult. Good luck.

I am that which challenges space
And time:
A sequence desperate to repeat
itself into impossibility.
The trademark of darkness
Channeling light
Almost unto death.

[Lenna]

I've just sat here thinking of another riddle lol. its harder this time :D *tries to remember NOT to double post*

The lifestream??

[My name is...something..?]

Meteor?

[Masamune·1600]

No for both. Good guesses, though.

[Lenna]

Holy?

[Masamune·1600]

No. Keep trying!

[My name is...something..?]

Looong stretch...Gravity?
It challenges space and time

[Lenna]

Black Materia?

[Masamune·1600]

Not yet.

[Lenna]

Knights of the Round?

[My name is...something..?]

The will of the Planet?

[Lenna]

I am that which challenges space
And time:
A sequence desperate to repeat
itself into impossibility.
The trademark of darkness <---- created by/a symbol of darkness, fighting against light?/good. Basic good vs evil
Channeling light <--------------
Almost unto death.

could it be Jenova? lol I'm trying to think so hard

[Masamune·1600]

Not yet. Keep trying.

[My name is...something..?]

Hades?

[Lenna]

Odin!??!?!!?

[ehsteve]

The Shin-Ra Rocket?

[abrojtm]

The Lifestream?

[Lenna]

Already said abrojtm

[Masamune·1600]

No one has it yet. Keep trying!

[abrojtm]

Bahamut?

[Lenna]

The planet itself?

[Masamune·1600]

Not yet.

[Lenna]

Argh I'm going to scream, I looking into every final fantasy 7 thing I can think of and none of them match the riddle. How irritating! lol

Sephiroth?

I'm soooo gonna slap you if it is !! lol.

[Masamune·1600]

No, but Sephiroth is connected to the idea.

[Lenna]

Ah a clue at last!!!!!!!!!!!

[Luthien Rogue]

Supernova.

[Lenna]

blah I can only think of Black Materia/Dark Matter or "Calamity of the Skies". which is jenova. unless it's something to do with the City of the ancients? or the weapons.

Wait.. Has it anything to do with Hojo?

[Masamune·1600]

Super Nova is correct! Luthien Rogue, you're up.

For those who are curious, the riddle can be broken down as follows. "...challenges space / And time" refers to the destruction of the planets (space) and the well-known duration of the animation (time). The "impossibility" refers to the fact that, if cast more than once, SN destroys the same planets again. Clearly it's just part of the animation, but it's an impossiblity if one takes the animation literally. "The trademark of darkness..." refers to the fact that SN is Safer Sephiroth's signature move, so to speak. "Channeling light" refers to the light (SN) that one sees approaching the characters. "Almost unto death" refers to the actual battle mechanics effect of SN; your characters will have critical HP (and possibly some annoying statuses) after the technique is used.

[Lenna]

Right Luthien Rogue pmmed me asking if I wanted to take their turn on here, so I thank you Luthien!!!! :D, My riddles quite tricky, you need to think carefully bout it. So here goes.

As many things that could not have been,
I am the one, these thing's I've seen,
The horror of this mutany,
Has beaten the world so brutally.

A face amongst the light of hope,
While on my own I had to cope,
But I am not who I may seem,
I lived to see this horrid dream.

[DaremihC]

Oy... this one's crypic.


As many things that could not have been, [?]
I am the one, these thing's I've seen, [This could be Sephiroth or Jenova, maybe Cloud.]
The horror of this mutany, [Rebelling against something? Like the planet or the ancients? Or something more... mundane?
Has beaten the world so brutally. [That sounds like Meteor (or maybe Shinra)]

A face amongst the light of hope, the end where cloud sees Aerith's face in the lifestream,[/spoiler] but it may refer to Jenova... maybe. ]
[I]While on my own I had to cope, [Cloud had was without Aerith, but Sephy had no friends.]
But I am not who I may seem, [This fits with Sephy at the end and Jenova, and Cloud because he isn't who he thought he was]
I lived to see this horrid dream. [The whole meteor business.]

On a second evaluation, this riddle fits well with Vincent too... except in line 4.

[Lenna]

lol nope sorry :D I thought really hard about this one but its tricky, but simple when you think like me :P

basically theres a couple of lines you've interperated correctly, but, you're looking at it all completely wrong lol

[Drift]

is it zack?

[Lenna]

Nope sorry :P

[Drift]

blah........snoopy!!! sorrie woz lookin at my mousepad :D

[BudSoda02]

Is it Tifa? Just a guess. Very good riddle though...
Thanks- BudSoda02 BudSoda02@yahoo.com

[Lenna]

nope :) keep trying and thanks lol took me a while to think it up

[Drift]

mako/lifestream? or have they already been said?

[My name is...something..?]

Ok I'm starting from the simplest answers and moving up...ok, first...
Is it Cloud..matches his whole "I'm not who I thought I was story"

[Lenna]

Again, you're looking at from the wrong angle lol. Sorry but you're wrong :( and Kyuzo it's a person. As indicated with *Who* in the riddle. There was no indication it was a *what* lol

[Drift]

sorry sorry :(

[Lenna]

Lol dont be sorry :P you have no need to be sorry. I was just saying :p

[Lenna]

Nope sorry :(, as I said, it's tricky :P but if you think like me it's easy.

[Llanowar]

Barret.

[Lenna]

Nope sorry lol Keep trying!

[DaremihC]

Nanaki?
He lives longer than all the others...

[Solitude969]

i bet u its got to be vincent valentine? right?

[Llanowar]

I'm thinking Lucrecia actually not vincent.

[one_winged_angel]

I thought Vincent:

As many things that could not have been, (Maybe referring to the kind of monster/human hybrid type things like "the thing that should not be" kinda whoseit)
I am the one, these thing's I've seen, (He is one because he transforms into monsters)
The horror of this mutany, ( he left shinra and then attacked them)
Has beaten the world so brutally. (Not too sure.... Maybe the fact that everything is in chaos during Avalanche's rebellion?)

A face amongst the light of hope, (Probably referring to Avalanche, he's a face among the people that save the planet)
While on my own I had to cope, (He was on 'is lonesome all the time he was asleep)
But I am not who I may seem, (Could be referring either to his mysterious nature or to the fact that he transforms into beasts etc.)
I lived to see this horrid dream. (He always goes on about his nightmare)

[Lenna]

Sorry Vincent was already said :(

Not Vincent,
Cloud,
Zack,
Jenova,
Sephiroth,
Barret,
Red XIII
or Lucrecia

And the answer IS a person.

[DaremihC]

Hmm... I'll try again... but use elimination.
It's NOT: Vincent, Cloud, Zack, Jenova, Sephiroth, Barret, Red XIII, Lucrecia

8. I lived to see this horrid dream. [Who dosn't die?]
We have (minus the previous list) Tifa, Cid, Yuffie, Cait (kinda), Marlene?, and the Turks... I think thats all the relevant people...

1. As many things that could not have been, [Still no clue]
2. I am the one, these thing's I've seen, [Like line 8]

6. While on my own I had to cope, [Who was on their own?]
Yuffie (before the party), Marlene, maybe Elena.
Those dosn't seem to fit too well, so scrathing point one...
Bugenhagen, Seto (not likeley), Rufus (again, not likeley). I know I'm missing some people...

7. But I am not who I may seem, [Okay... now I'm in trouble...]
I would say... Bugenhagen... one of the Turks, maybe. Tseng...

3. The horror of this mutany,
4. Has beaten the world so brutally.
Bugenhagen? (I think I'm on to something) The Turks? Tseng?

5. A face amongst the light of hope,
Okay... I think I'm gonna have to go with...

Tseng

[Lenna]

OOOOOOO so close, but your final answer isnt correct. And I thought Tseng dies in the temple of the ancients?

but if someone mentions the name in their evaluation although they dont think it is? would I have to give it to them.

[Llanowar]

after reading the last batch of reasoning I am actually leaning towards Elena not Tseng.

[Lenna]

nope

[DaremihC]

Then it's Bugenhagen...

Please for the love of everything that is pure and good in this world, let it be Bugenhagen...

[abrojtm]

It's Marlene, I'm pretty sure.

[Lenna]

abrojtm is right, It's Marlene,

As many things that could not have been, (to a child, these things don't really sink in as bad until they're older. she doesn't realise what's really going on as she's still young.)
I am the one, these thing's I've seen, (she's been a spectator through the game but she's been through alot. She was orphaned as a baby, and taken in by Barret , she's see what happened in Sector 7, she saw Tseng kidnap Aeris and she also saw the meteor at the end
The horror of this mutany, (just refering to all that went on through the game.)
Has beaten the world so brutally. (meteor, shinra, the weapons)

A face amongst the light of hope, (In the end you see Marlenes face looking out the window, while holy/lifestream was doing their work)
While on my own I had to cope, (She was left alone in the world after the incident in corel until Barret came to her rescue. then Barret left her again *with a complete stranger may I add, in pursuit of saving the world.)
But I am not who I may seem, (referring to the fact you'd think of many people before her.. she is not your first instinct to this riddle.)
I lived to see this horrid dream. (again refering to the second line)

Congratulations abrojtm

[abrojtm]

A menacing power I dost hold.
Ultimate power from days of old:
Ranging elements tear at their souls,
And weapons bash their ugly skulls.

KWEH. WARK.

[Masamune·1600]

Sounds like Knights of the Round, although the summon is completely non-elemental.

[abrojtm]

You're close, not quite.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

I can't remember exactly, maybe it's the summon that goes through a bunch of elements? Typhoon, I think.

[My name is...something..?]

Wasn't Typhoon,wind elemental??

Is it the actual materia stone for Knights of the Round and not the attack, just a thought because you said sort of....

[redxiiii]

Kjata?

[Masamune·1600]

A menacing power I dost hold.
Ultimate power from days of old:
Ranging elements tear at their souls,
And weapons bash their ugly skulls.

KWEH. WARK.

I guessed KotR initially based on "Ultimate power" (referencing Ultimate End), the combination of weapons and (apparent) elements, and the chocobo sounds suggesting the need for a Gold Chocobo. However, having reconsidered, I believe the riddle may refer to:

Master Summon materia.

Even moreso than KotR, this would be the ultimate power (especially since KotR is still included). The summons cover a vast range of elements, and weapons appear in both Odin animations, as well as the KotR animation. As to "Kweh/Wark", Choco-Mog is a summon.

[cloud20747]

Alexander

[abrojtm]

Eh, I'll just give it to Masamune. The answer I was looking for was actually Round Island, but since you pretty much figured everything out (except for the hidden clue), I think it's fair for you to have it. Oh, and I mentioned elements because the animation shows like 4 of the Knights using elemental spells.

[Masamune·1600]

Fair enough. :cool:

Now let's see...this might be very easy and it might be very difficult. I'm not sure. Good luck!

I am the one that challenged the face of
the earth;
who stared down Shiva's soul only to
be undone by inattention in the
face of the elements and
by a glorified piece of string.
I am the perpetual challenge to
that which repulsed me, even
though it be done vicariously.

[abrojtm]

Uhh, the dolphin girl... what's her name again? Isn't it Priscilla?

[Masamune·1600]

No, sorry! That's not how I'm using Shiva here.

[Luthien Rogue]

I am the one that challenged the face of
the earth;

Jenova caused the crater 2000 years ago... but Sephiroth also threated the earth... Let's go with Sephy. :P


who stared down Shiva's soul only to

Shiva, goddess of destruction... Jenova?


be undone by inattention in the
face of the elements and
by a glorified piece of string.

Elements... WEAPON? Glorified piece of string... Aeris's hair ribbon that let the White Materia fall? :P


I am the perpetual challenge to
that which repulsed me,

Humans/Cetra?


even
though it be done vicariously.

Sephiroth was Jenova's "puppet".

Answer: Sephiroth.

XD

[Masamune·1600]

No. Nice reasoning, though, even if that wasn't how I meant for it to be interpreted.

[DaremihC]

Meteor?

[Masamune·1600]

No. Your guess makes a lot of sense; I just didn't write the riddle with something like that in mind.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Jenova?

[Masamune·1600]

No. The answer is not Sephiroth, Jenova, Meteor, or any other malignant individual or force threatening the world.

[Perducci]

Ifrit?

I dunno. That was just a random guess.

[Brian The Pink Shark]

it's cloud? :choc:

[Masamune·1600]

No. Keep trying.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Hmmm, sounds like a summon.

Titan? Bahamut? Neo Bahamut? Bahamut Zero?

[Masamune·1600]

No, not a summon. Nice guesses, though. So far as I can tell, no one has yet used Shiva in the context I intended.

[Perducci]

Is it something to do with the Great Glacier?

[Brian The Pink Shark]

It's snow, the one that gives you alexander :choc:

[Masamune·1600]

No one has it yet, but we're now in the correct part of the world.

[Brian The Pink Shark]

oh it's the dude that tells you to be careful before you climb the glacier :choc:

[nirojan]

Why are there sooooo many riddle threads on this forum????

Sometimes there easy, but sometimes they're really hard!!
(It's like the creator made them!!)

[Masamune·1600]

oh it's the dude that tells you to be careful before you climb the glacier :choc:

And his name is....

[TheSpoonyBard]

Holzoff

[Masamune·1600]

Yes. I suppose either ForestOwl or Squinn can take the next riddle. Whoever posts first, I guess.

[TheSpoonyBard]

"Defender of many
But not of oneself.
Rumoured to have ran
But can run no more.
A hard exterior hides
Great emotion deep inside"

Who am I?

[Masamune·1600]

Seto.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Yeah, I thought that one would be easy.

[Masamune·1600]

It was a good riddle, though.

Let's see....

I hold the smallest secret, wedged in between
Two layers of the obvious.
I own that which doesn't matter, but
It may be taken from me anyway.
I can find hope, success....
If you let me.
And if you do I will reward you accordingly.
Otherwise, you gain little, and I....
Lose the little I had.

[DaremihC]

It's the kid that you can take money from...

[Masamune·1600]

Yeah, it's the kid in the Sector 5 Slums. DaremihC, you're up.

[DaremihC]

Wow... 3 minute riddle...

No carrots to help you this time,
1/16 is all you have.
No storage for you;
It is all just a fleeting memory anyway...

[cloud20747]

chocobo racing for you freedom in Golden Saucer

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

1/16 soldier?

[DaremihC]

Nope

Edit: for both...

[cloud20747]

sounds like the chocobo farm after you leave Kalm on the 1st disc

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

carrots, huh? well, the only rabbits I can think of are those monsters near Icicle inn.

[DaremihC]

No and no...
I can't see how you got chocobo, but haven't gotten the riddle yet...

[cloud20747]

No and no...
I can't see how you got chocobo, but haven't gotten the riddle yet...
I got chocobo from the races(the carrot icon that when you press O the chocobo goes faster)

I think it's Mideel

[DaremihC]

Oh yah... I forgot about that... you'll have to concentrate on the 1/16 part then.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

should we go line by line?

I'm kinda hoping you'll give us some hints if I hold a candle up to the answer.

fleeting memory, huh. Lifestream? Aeris?

[DaremihC]

Two of the lines are references to another FF game, If you havn't played it, this riddle will be much harder. For you and cloud, concentrate on the second and fourth lines (the most vague lines) and you might pull it off (it has do do with chocobos).

It was kind of an unfair riddle... didn't take much time to make it...

[cloud20747]

Edit: This is very far fetched but here goes

The riddle is refering to the FFX Time race with the chocobo which doesn't have carrots to make you faster and the fleeting memory refers to Tidus.
Oh and many people believe X and VII are related(my too) taht's why this in this forum

[DaremihC]

No...

[cloud20747]

I edited the the early post take a look

[DaremihC]

No, but an ok guess... The answer to the riddle IS a part of FFVII, however. Lines 1 and 3 correspond to a previous FF game, whereas 2 and 4 are for FFVII (but your explanation of the carrot causes line 1 to work for FFVII as well).

[cloud20747]

Well I'm screwed seeing I didn't play that much of any ff game before 7

[DaremihC]

No, your not screwed... just think about chocobos, fleeting memories, and 1/16... you'll get it eventually...

EDIT: On second evaluation, Line 2 should probably read:

1/16 is all you get. (Instead of 'all you have')

[-N-]

You use carrots to summon Big Chocobos in FFIV to store extra items.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

No, I think you use gyshal greens, or at least that's what it says in FFC. But, yeah, I was thinking Fat Chocobos pertaining to having no storage.

[DaremihC]

Fat Chocobo it is! Take it away -N-! (Fat Chocobo has a 1 in 16 chance of being summoned with the ChocoMog materia).

[-N-]

Well, it's been a while since I've taken a spin at riddles here. Must have been about 1200 posts ago. I hope this one isn't as difficult as PhoenixAsh (you take the prize on that one), but here's what I got.

The person that unravels.
The mystery within.
It crushes him.
Nonsense.
He returns again.
Out of the two, who is who?

This may need some clarification. I'll check back on it.

[Lenna]

That doesn't make sense are you looking for one person, or more than one?

[Drift]

cloud...confused cloud and normal cloud...identity crisis?

[PhoenixAsh]

Okay I have a feeling the riddle might be a completely different style to this (I suspect possibly a line by line deal), but if not I think its about Cait Sith in the Temple of the Ancients.

The person that unravels.
The mystery within. (As one sentence these lines make sense as two the whole Temple sequence, but they're split...)
It crushes him. (Well yeah...)
Nonsense. (Again not sure, there is the scene with Cloud and Aeris etc. that fits here, but I don't know...)
He returns again. (Cait Sith 2)
Out of the two, who is who? (Just a reference to the two Caits)

I think it could work, but again I suspect this riddle is in a completely different style.

Heh, -N- do people actually remember some of my older riddles? THEY were hard :D, I've toned it down since I think...

[Drift]

i was never good with riddles :(

[-N-]

PA's got half the riddle right, and everything he has said is completely right. I figured the last line would need some clarification, so here it is.

Out of the two, who is who? <-- All six preceding lines apply to two completely different people in completely separate cases. You have to name both people this refers to and explain why.

Good luck. ;)

edit: Quoting PA for reference. I hate flipping pages m'self. :p

Okay I have a feeling the riddle might be a completely different style to this (I suspect possibly a line by line deal), but if not I think its about Cait Sith in the Temple of the Ancients.

The person that unravels.
The mystery within. (As one sentence these lines make sense as two the whole Temple sequence, but they're split...)
It crushes him. (Well yeah...)
Nonsense. (Again not sure, there is the scene with Cloud and Aeris etc. that fits here, but I don't know...)
He returns again. (Cait Sith 2)
Out of the two, who is who? (Just a reference to the two Caits)

I think it could work, but again I suspect this riddle is in a completely different style.

Heh, -N- do people actually remember some of my older riddles? THEY were hard , I've toned it down since I think...
I remember them. >_< :)

[PhoenixAsh]

Hmmm, in that case I would go with Cloud, however thats already been guessed, unless you just want the reason...

The person that unravels.
The mystery within. (The Cloud/ Zack deal)
It crushes him. (his mental state after the lifestream)
Nonsense. (the way he talks after the lifestream)
He returns again. (Cloud after the memory scene)
Out of the two, who is who?

Very nice riddle by the way, I like the idea, though I'm not sure if I'm right as kyuzo already said this...

[-N-]

Yes, that's it. Glad it didn't take terribly long to finish. :p Either PA or kyuzo may go, I suppose, since both of them provided parts to it, but PA did explain the answer better. I'll try and make it a little more complex next time, but it gets harder to write than it is to solve. :)

It's funny, because to make this one I just typed up random sentences and then just stared at them until they began to congeal around an event in the game. It was pretty fun making it that way - try it out. ;)

[PhoenixAsh]

Yeah I definitely liked that riddle, its good to see originality still coming up :D .

Right I'll give a riddle a go I think... I'm low on originality though at the minute, so I think I might rip off one of my old styles :D .

In the hearts of the damned,
Lies the scourge of the land.

In an orb and a bird,
Can new hope now be heard.

If the two are together,
Then the price has been paid.
So the question I ask,
Is just where was the trade?

This one should be pretty easy, espescially if you were here early on.
I seem to have forgotten how to write riddles... think I'll have to stop turning down goes so often :D . Oh I want full explanations before I say if you're right :D .

[MoonZapdos]

Yeah I definitely liked that riddle, its good to see originality still coming up :D .

Right I'll give a riddle a go I think... I'm low on originality though at the minute, so I think I might rip off one of my old styles :D .

In the hearts of the damned,
Lies the scourge of the land.

In an orb and a bird,
Can new hope now be heard.

If the two are together,
Then the price has been paid.
So the question I ask,
Is just where was the trade?

This one should be pretty easy, espescially if you were here early on.
I seem to have forgotten how to write riddles... think I'll have to stop turning down goes so often :D . Oh I want full explanations before I say if you're right :D .
Orb and a bird... new hope... where was the trade... Fort Condor, because of the big bird seatting on the big materia orb containing Phoenix?

[PhoenixAsh]

Not by any means a bad guess (Though way off the answer), but I tend to be a little trickier than that :D . Some of the clues in here are as obvious as they sound, but this riddle is a lot more specific than that. This riddle is unsolvable (except through guesswork) if you don't look at all of it.

[MoonZapdos]

In that case, no idea. :confused:

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Could you rephrase the last line? I'm not sure what you're asking; it's worded funny. Is the answer a place?

EDIT: Kalm? You trade two things to someone at Kalm.

[PhoenixAsh]

The last line is pretty simple, and yes the answer is a place, but you could add more detail if you'd managed to solve the riddle. What did I say about having to use the whole riddle :P ?

[Luthien Rogue]

The crater?

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Well, it kinda sucks that I can't seem to draw Earth Harp and Desert Rose out of the first 4 lines. Was I on the right track?

I am able to draw summons out of them, though. The first line talks about Hades, then you talk about Titan, then I guess you talk about Pheonix, but after that, I'm stuck. Is that on the right track?

[Llanowar]

Ok the first two lines are referring to the darkness in cloud's heart and the next two are referring to his awakening by Tifa. The price to be paid is the suffering Cloud goes through. and the two of them together is when Cloud and Tifa are in the lifestream.

Thus my answer is the Lifestream.

[PhoenixAsh]

Man I thought I'd made this a lot more obvious... Llanowar is the closet to getting the right approach to the riddle, although his answer is again way off. I see the logic behind Cloud and Tifa, but its a bit to vague, try reading the first four lines more carefully, and more literally.

Weimar I guess you're used to my lines having hidden meanings, and whilst yes this riddle does have a trick, its a different sort than most of my others.

I don't personally think its a problem, and it confuses the line a bit, or give away that part of the answer if I explained it, but there is a slight issue with the wording of line three. Don't worry about it (or think about it in trying to solve this in my opinion), but if you come up with an idea, don't dismiss it on a technicality about that line.

[Masamune·1600]

In the hearts of the damned,
Lies the scourge of the land.

In an orb and a bird,
Can new hope now be heard.

If the two are together,
Then the price has been paid.
So the question I ask,
Is just where was the trade?

Let's see....

"In the hearts of the damned / Lies the scourge of the land"

The scourge of the land, from an initial reading, could arguably be any of the following: Sephiroth, Jenova, Hojo, Meteor, the original crater, Black Materia, Rufus, President Shinra, Shinra (the company), its employees, Midgar, Mako reactors, WEAPON, or humanity in general. Or even something else. I'll narrow this down as I consider the rest of the riddle.

"In an orb and a bird / Can a new hope be heard"

The most apparent connotation here is Phoenix materia, which incorporates the concepts of orb, bird, and (new) hope. However, Fort Condor has already been dismissed as an answer, so I'll reconsider the line's meaning. Bird, taken literally, could possibly refer to the following: anything Chocobo related, or it could refer to the fight for 10 Phoenix downs with the birds on the way to North Corel. I don't think bird is meant literally, however, and this will be reflected in my final answer.

"If the two are put together, / Then the price has been paid. / So the question I ask / Is just where was the trade?"

Price can, it seems, have a literal or metaphorical meaning here. I think the riddle ultimately hinges on, however, determining just what is being referred to by "trade."

I fear this is off, but I'm nevertheless going to guess that the location referred to is the Water Altar under the Forgotten Capital/City of the Ancients. Hearts of the damned/scourge of the land could refer to Seph, with additional emphasis possibly added to Jenova. The orb could be Holy materia; the bird Aeris' prayer (flying up?), and the potential effects of Holy the new hope. If Seph and Aeris are together at the Water Altar, we all know what happens. This then would be the trade, and the price paid: a prayer for Holy, at the expense of Aeris' life.

[PhoenixAsh]

Although that isn't actually how the riddle is solved, it was done extremely thoroughly... and a REMARKABLE stroke of fluke and reasoning produced the exact answer!

The actual solution to this riddle is as follows:

In the hearts of the damned,
Lies the scourge of the land. (This is talking about Jenova, the 'scourge of the land' referring to her past, and the first line referring to the clones, its all quite literal)

In an orb and a bird,
Can new hope now be heard. (New hope is referring to revival, which obviously comes from Phoenix, and also through the magic materia, the in game term being Life)

If the two are together, (Jenova Life)
Then the price has been paid. (Comes straight after Aeris' death)
So the question I ask,
Is just where was the trade? (The alter, the trade as masamune1600 said being that of Aeris' life for the prayer for Holy)

I think I may actually prefer masamune1600's reasons more though :D . Well done anyway, take it away!

[Masamune·1600]

Wow, that's pretty cool. :cool: And thanks for liking my explanation.

As to the next riddle....

By name we might be brothers,
though in form it not be so.
Though we serve the same master,
And in his service go.
Go before the blade,
Yet only one before the fire
Ironically to aid the source
Of limitation's ire.


Good luck!

[Llanowar]

That was slightly more obvious than I thought it would be Phoenix. What exactly was the point of the line about the Phoenix in there for??? Just to throw people off I am assuming since it has no real correlation to the answer in the end?

Oh well guess I have been dealing with the FFIX riddle too long I can't think in terms of a large event being the answer anymore LOL. Damn thingfish for oversharpening my thinking outside the box ;) ;)

And btw Masamune your riddle is referring to Zach and Cloud at Nibelheim during the flashbacks.

[Masamune·1600]

Actually, what I'm looking for is a bit more obscure than Cloud and Zack. It's nothing, of course, compared to the FFIX riddle. I can certainly see why you guessed them, though. Keep trying!

[Llanowar]

I am going to guess the scorpion and the other robot from the two mako plants. ( it's been too long dont hang me on not knowing the names.) Both of them fall before Cloud's sword, but only one is defeated before the fiery explosion of reactor no. 8 (I think it was 8).

Yea I went from the easy end of the spectrum to pretty obscure in terms of the "brother" reference, but whatever.

[Masamune·1600]

Guard Scorpion and Airbuster are not the answers I'm looking for, although the level of obscurity is approximately the same. Good luck!

I'll add a little clarification that might qualify as a hint. For that reason, I'll apply Spoiler tags. Feel free to look at it; it certainly doesn't give the riddle away. It will, however, make it much easier. For anyone interested in answering the riddle, I would suggest not reading the hint unless you're absolutely desperate.

The "brother" comment refers to similarity between the names.

[Rostum]

Cloud Prod? I think that's what it's called. That thing Scarlet and Heidger come up with.

[Masamune·1600]

Sorry! Proud Clod's not what I'm looking for.

[Llanowar]

Ok we are looking for two "people" in the game whose names are similar, but they look nothing or at least nearly nothing alike. They work for the same person. They both die I am assuming by Cloud's or Sephy's sword.(I am assuming Sephy's) One dies before (either in time or in front of) a flame/fire while the other does not.

aiding the source of limitations ire I would assume means either Sephiroth or Jenova. Which on is anyone's guess, in reality they could be interchangeable in this instance.

[PhoenixAsh]

This answer will be completely wrong if I've forgotten how the Yuffie sidequest goes, and due to that switches my answer between the Turks, and Reno and Rude only.

By name we might be brothers, (The Turks, OR the R in Reno and Rude)
though in form it not be so. (Either the standard differences between Turks, or the fairly opposite nature of Reno and Rude)
Though we serve the same master, (Either Shinra or the Turks)
And in his service go. (The missions)
Go before the blade, (They fight Cloud)
Yet only one before the fire (My only idea here is of the Wutai Mountains, which I can't remember if Reno and Rude go up, if its just Elena or both, then I guess Turks, if one or the other I guess Reno and Rude)
Ironically to aid the source
Of limitation's ire. (They help Yuffie...or possibly Reno says not to fight Cloud, I can't remember)

Llanowar the Phoenix/ Revive line was to point to the specific answer Life. A new hope is far too vague a clue if I wanted people to link two specific words together before they could solve it. I did make that riddle quite straightforward, noone gets my riddles if I do them normally now!

[Masamune·1600]

No one has it yet, although PhoenixAsh raised a few possibilities that should be reconsidered. Also, he broke the riddle down in the method I intended; it's just that the references apply to someone/something else.

[Lenna]

The Weapons? they're basically all the same yet look different, they fight cloud (as an option but depends on if you're on about options or actual ingame play) and the only thing I can think of about aiding is they give you items which you can give to the kalm traveller to gain a gold chocobo.

[Masamune·1600]

No. The answer is certainly more obscure than the Weapons.

[SilverPhoenix42]

Okay, here's my answer: Ultima WEAPON and Ulitma Weapon

By name we might be brothers, (Self-explanitory)
though in form it not be so. (one is a monster, one is a sword)
Though we serve the same master,
and in his service go. (These two lines I can't quite explain, but Cloud controls the sword.)
Go before the blade (one is used to fight Sephiroth, and one is fought by Cloud.)
Yet only one before the fire (you have to forge a blade, no?)
Ironically to aid the source
Of limitations ire. (One gives up the weapon to Cloud, and the other to defeat Sephiroth, I think)

That may not be a very good answer, but it's the best I got....

[PhoenixAsh]

Oh! Totally different track, which actually may be a little too obvious...

Leviathan and Leviathan Scales

By name we might be brothers, (Well yeah)
though in form it not be so. (Again...)
Though we serve the same master, (Cloud)
And in his service go. (He uses them)
Go before the blade, (Not sure how this applies to the scales...)
Yet only one before the fire (In the mountain)
Ironically to aid the source
Of limitation's ire. (It puts out the fire, but it helps you get (maybe I can't remember) a limit manual)

[Masamune·1600]

No one has it yet. I like the way everyone is thinking, but no one has picked up on the meaning of the second half of the riddle. Without the clarification that interpretation of the second half provides, the first four lines are too vague to, I believe, form a definitive answer.

[abrojtm]

Is it by any chance Sleipnir?

[Masamune·1600]

No. Interesting guess, though.

For the record, there are two answers, and both must be named in order to answer the riddle.

[PhoenixAsh]

Is it Ultimate and Diamond Weapon?


By name we might be brothers, (Well...)
though in form it not be so. (One flies, one walks, different appearance)
Though we serve the same master, (The planet)
And in his service go. (They leave the crater to protect the planet)
Go before the blade, (They both fight Cloud and Co.)
Yet only one before the fire (Diamond going up against the Sister Ray)
Ironically to aid the source
Of limitation's ire. (They actually work towards helping Seph, not the planet)

[Masamune·1600]

No. The answer is certainly more obscure than the Weapons.

To be fair, though, this guess addresses two Weapons specifically, which was a departure from the guess of all Weapons. However, this riddle has absolutely nothing to do with the Weapons: not Emerald, Ruby, Ultima, Diamond, or even Sapphire/WEAPON.

Continued good luck, everyone.

[BudSoda02]

It's either holy or the life stream. Holy comes through the crater to save the world from the Meteor & The life stream is repairing the gash in the crater made by Jenova crashing into it.
Thanks- BudSoda02 BudSoda02@yahoo.com

[Lenna]

Masamune said it was more obscure. I don't really think it is, as it's reference to 2 things. plus how does it refer to the before the blade bit.
I think that the characters/things we are looking for in this riddle have actually fought against cloud and the gang. Holy hasn't neither has Lifestream.

[mike without a hat]

By name we might be brothers,
though in form it not be so.
Though we serve the same master,
And in his service go.
Go before the blade,
Yet only one before the fire
Ironically to aid the source
Of limitation's ire.

just as guesses, dont feel like explaining
black/white materia
or city/temple of the ancients

[Masamune·1600]

No one has it yet, but xlxRenoxlx made an important point. The answers to this riddle do, in fact, fight against Cloud and company.

To prevent pure guesswork, given the verification just provided, I would like to see how you are all interpreting the lines.

Good luck.

[TheSpoonyBard]

Is the answer Apps and Rapps, Don Corneo's 'pets'?

By name we might be brothers, (Apps and Rapps are similar)
though in form it not be so. (they look different)
Though we serve the same master, (that master being the Don)
And in his service go. (they do as he says)
Go before the blade, (they both fight against Cloud and chums)
Yet only one before the fire (Apps is weak against Fire magic, but you can't use magic against Rapps - no materia.)
Ironically to aid the source
Of limitation's ire. (I didn't get the last part, but the rest fits)

[PhoenixAsh]

I've been trying to think of enemy names that were similar, thats a good guess even if its wrong... I was trying to work out a boss you fought before getting fire materia.

Yeah I forgot about the no Weapons things, I was trying to work back from the blade and fire bit.

[Lenna]

Masamune can I ask for this clue pls? Are these Ingame things we fight. or are they just random enemies we meet around the world?

To Phoenix Ash :
There is only one boss you can fight before getting the Fire materia and that is the Scorpion Guard. because after that you go straight to Sector 7 and the next day you're free to buy Fire Materia. I think someone already said Scorpion guard so I believe that will not be your answer.

[Masamune·1600]

ForestOwl is correct! The answer is indeed Aps and Rapps. Further, all of her explanations are correct. As to the somewhat ambiguous final two lines, it refers to the fact that Cloud and company, in fighting Rapps, are aiding Yuffie, who in effect limited them by taking their materia (including Fire, of course).

ForestOwl, you're up.

[Lenna]

I thought she might be/he might be lol. WD ForestOwl. Look forward to reading and attempting to solve your riddle.

[PhoenixAsh]

Oh yeah, good point xlxRenoxlx, well done ForestOwl. Masamune, that was a nice riddle. Heh, compliments all round!

[TheSpoonyBard]

"In the presence of greatness
I stand and fight.
I am the protecter of hope
Though I'm devoid of light.
'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'
A phrase that I stand by no longer.
My name is what you need
A name given by those my master made bleed."

Who am I?

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

I'm not sure how to use the whole riddle. The last lines make me think Scarlet?

[abrojtm]

Sounds like Red XIII to me sorta.

Him or Seto....?

[TheSpoonyBard]

It's neither of those, and as you havn't given any explanations I cannot tell you where you have gone wrong.

[Yugo]

"In the presence of greatness
I stand and fight.
I am the protecter of hope <--- These three lines lean toward Aeris
Though I'm devoid of light.
'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'
A phrase that I stand by no longer. <-- These three indicate that he/she is dead... me thinks
My name is what you need
A name given by those my master made bleed." <-- Uhh... dunno

My guess is Aeris!

[TheSpoonyBard]

It's not Aeris. If you look at the punctuation you'll see there are four sets of couplets, each with a seperate meaning.

[Lenna]

"In the presence of greatness
I stand and fight. (The character fights during the game, I believe this could be Weapon as he stands before Rufus(who could be classed as great / powerful due to his title) and fights back as well as fighting the characters in the game.)

I am the protecter of hope
Though I'm devoid of light. (the Weapon's orignal purpose is to protect the planet from jenova and destroy her, but before they could be used the Cetra had already destroyed her. They then went into hibernation. But Sephiroth intervened and managed to wake and control them. therefore they are originally the protector of hope but they have no light/goodness in them as they are being controlled by evil at the current time)

'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'
A phrase that I stand by no longer. (I believe this means the person has given up on the meaning of that phrase and feels that there is no point. or as someone else said, they are possibly dead. So I think that Weapon fits with this as he dies during the process of fighting with Rufus and his almighty mako cannon <3)

My name is what you need
A name given by those my master made bleed." (who has a master? the clones, the weapons, the turks (but Shin-Ra weren't really part of any killing ingame.) the cetra (their master was basically the world. The Weapons were actually created and given their names by the Cetra if I am correct, and Sephiroth was combined with jenova who wanted to destroy the Cetra and succeeded at times, then Sephiroth killed the las
t remaining Cetra Aeris )

[TheSpoonyBard]

You've touched the right area in the first and third sections, but everything else is way off.

[redxiiii]

Masamune? Sephy`s sword?

[TheSpoonyBard]

No, way off. Look at the themes xlxRenoxlx uncovered and try to work from there. He's got the first and third section worked out but has just got the wrong person.

[-N-]

1. Implies a character in the game.
2. Implies a good character, but one perhaps with a dark past.
3. Implies character is dead, or is stronger in death or next life.
4. Implies character is former servant, or soldier.

I think this leads to Vincent.

[Luthien Rogue]

Cetra/Ancients?

[Lenna]

No, way off. Look at the themes xlxRenoxlx uncovered and try to work from there. He's got the first and third section worked out but has just got the wrong person.


I'm she m'dear =P

and is it Jenova?

"In the presence of greatness
I stand and fight. (reference to an angel? presence of greatness could mean sephiroth.)

I am the protecter of hope
Though I'm devoid of light. (the angel theme again, even though this angel is dark and evil)

'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'
A phrase that I stand by no longer. (jenova is practically dead but her cells still lived and helped to control sephiroth. if she's dead she's not strong =p)

My name is what you need
A name given by those my master made bleed." (Jenova was implied to be named by scientists, Professor Gast, this was informed in the Shinra Mansion basement, when you read the reports. It says that a rare cell form was found and they decided to name it the "Jenova Project"

I'm not sure if they actually named her or if the cetra named her jenova, I know she was the "calamity from the skies" but I don't know if they were the ones who named her. this could explain part of it.)

Sorry if this doesn't help anyone, but these are what I think, I'm turning into Llanowar I think =P with all the deep explanations n stuff hehe. <3 your dedicated Llan! =)

[TheSpoonyBard]

My apologies, xlxRenoxlx. I shall remember that in the future.

Here are the sections you got right the first time.

In the presence of greatness
I stand and fight. (The character fights during the game)

'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'
A phrase that I stand by no longer. ... or as someone else said, they are possibly dead.

Everything you just said was, sadly, wrong. The answer is much more obscure than Jenova. Here is a clue to help you out I appear quite early in the game

[Llanowar]

so you think you are turning into me huh Reno. Well apparently not because you can at least solve riddles. Well not the one I am usually working on, but then again noone else can solve it either. :)
Ok my assumptions are that this is someone who either actually is in battle or has a "fight" with someone in power possible pres. Shinra, etc,
secondly the protector of hope though devoid of light. This could refer to anyone who fought to protect Aeris(what i perceive as hope) even though they don't feel they have any hope left.
The third stanza I believe refers to the fact that they do Die at some point although possibly not when u meet them early on. (It probably is at that time since most people who do actually die do die early on.)
the fourth stanza might be referring to a name that you need in order to pass by some certain obstacle.

My guess is the Midgar Zolom. fights Sephy. Loses and "dies" yea w/e

[TheSpoonyBard]

Ok my assumptions are that this is someone who either actually is in battle or has a "fight" with someone in power possible pres. Shinra (Yes, very close)

secondly the protector of hope though devoid of light. This could refer to anyone who fought to protect Aeris(what i perceive as hope) even though they don't feel they have any hope left. (No, but they did fight to protect someone else...)

The third stanza I believe refers to the fact that they do Die at some point although possibly not when u meet them early on. (It probably is at that time since most people who do actually die do die early on.) (This character dies almost as soon as you meet them)

the fourth stanza might be referring to a name that you need in order to pass by some certain obstacle.(No. The name in question is that characters name and also the name of something much larger)

My guess is the Midgar Zolom. fights Sephy. Loses and "dies" yea w/e(Not the Midgar Zolom)

[Lenna]

lolol!!! Llanowar I can only solve easy riddles =P, You have a much better idea at gaining ANY idea's from Thingfish's riddle lol =P I can't think of anything from that riddle!!! but when you solve that riddle I shall bow down to you =P hehe but, yeah, I usually just, guess an answer and that's, but from all the posts you've posted with explanations of everything, it's given me an insight to look deeper into riddles, so I'm doing alot better at thinking of things that I usually get one or two answer from and that's it.

If the answer is not Midgar Zolom, is this character/thing one that we fight, or is it just part of a side story, like the Midgar Zolom was (after all, the midgar zolom had nothing to do with cloud & the gang at that point in time, it was only a view point.)

anyway, *Thinks*

Could it be GI Nattak... I'm just thinking like. (The boss before you see Seto.. the leader of the GI Tribe)

GI was in the cave that Seto was in, you could say he was protecting it as well as invading it. GI was undead, but still dead never the less. It was sort of in the presence of Seto as it was in the same cave, he was greater than most as he was a true warrior to his kind. and about the Name thing/master I have no idea.

[Masamune·1600]

"In the presence of greatness
I stand and fight.
I am the protecter of hope
Though I'm devoid of light.
'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'
A phrase that I stand by no longer.
My name is what you need
A name given by those my master made bleed."

Who am I?

Time for some line-by-line analysis.

"In the presence of greatness"

Self-explanatory, although what it actually refers to remains to be seen.

"I stand and fight."

ForestOwl has noted that this characters either fights in battle, or otherwise stands against a powreful force, an example of which would be President Shinra.

"I am the protecter of hope"

According to ForestOwl, this character did fight to protect someone else.

"Though I'm devoid of light."

Seems to be a critical line. This could suggest that the character has dark or ignoble tendencies, or it could reference the character's death, or it could refer to a physical condition (the slums of Midgar, for example, are blocked from sunlight by the Plate).

"'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'"

Needs to be understood within the context of the next line....

"A phrase that I stand by no longer."

This suggests, of course, that the above character has died, a fact which has already been confirmed.

"My name is what you need"

Self-explanatory. The context of 'need', however, has yet to be established. This could refer to anything from a password, to this individual granting the party access to somewhere, to a number of other possibilities.

"A name given by those my master made bleed."

ForestOwl has said that the name refers both to the character and to a larger concept. It also seems that the master or leader of said individual has wronged or otherwise upset some group or entity.

Now, if the character dies early on, I'm going to assume that the character dies before the party reaches the second continent. In that case, the death must take place at one of a variety of locations: Midgar, Kalm, Nibelheim (via the flashback, maybe. I don't really like this since it takes place in the past, and is an altered version of events, anyway), the Chocobo Farm, Mythril Mine, For Condor, Lower Junon, Junon, and the cargo ship. Logic, of course, points totally to Midgar.

A number of individuals die in Midgar. Notable are Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie; the inhabitants of the Sector 7 Slums; President Shinra; the train conductor (apparently); the Beginner's Hall group (some of their spirits can be seen, amusingly, in Junon); or any enemy that the party itself defeats.

I think it's either Biggs, Wedge, or Jessie, but I'm probably wrong. I know that there's something I'm overlooking at the moment.

[Lenna]

It's possible that it could be Biggs, Wedge or Jessie, but she is looking for one character, and that riddle could refer to all three, as for mentioning President Shinra, your theory has made me look deeper into that thought.

He could be referred as the protector of hope as if you recall what he says in the meeting with the rest of the Shinra managers/staff, he says that no matter what the people will still gain hope from shinra if they promise to protect them. EVEN if their intentions are not clearly uncovered. You met him in the 5th reactor, then he dies about half an hour to an hour later depending on how quick you are in the game.


ForestOwl has said that the name refers both to the character and to a larger concept. It also seems that the master or leader of said individual has wronged or otherwise upset some group or entity.

President Shinra had upset many for his misuse of mako and also for the nasty things he allowed to happen to innocent people. as for the master image, I am unsure.

So I assume it could be president Shinra.

Any other guesses I have would have, would have been Tseng, Dyne or the Condor which dies ontop of the Fort Condor Reactor after you've defeated the Shinra Army

[PhoenixAsh]

I'm not sure if this is even the name, and I can't fit the last line, but is it Dark Nation? If thats what I think it is my reasoning should be fairly obvious.

[Lenna]

Dark Nation is correct if you're on about the dog that protects Rufus in the Shinra building. and it's quite a good guess, as he is always protecting Rufus with barriers and magic barriers but only he ends up dead. good one phoenix, if its right that is.

[TheSpoonyBard]

PhoenixAsh is right! The answer was Dark Nation.

"In the presence of greatness
I stand and fight.(Fights alongside Rufus)
I am the protecter of hope(For the Shinra Inc he was their hope of finding the Promised Land and completing the Neo-Midgar plan)
Though I'm devoid of light.(Reference to 'Dark')
'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'(You receive a Guard Source and a Protect Vest upon defeating Rufus and Dark Nation)
A phrase that I stand by no longer.(Dark Nation is now dead)
My name is what you need(You need the answer to the riddle)
A name given by those my master made bleed."(Residents of Midgar and Kalm may see Shinra's oppression as having created a dark nation in which they now live)

PhoenixAsh's turn now.

[Lenna]

I am the protecter of hope(For the Shinra Inc he was their hope of finding the Promised Land and completing the Neo-Midgar plan) <-- I hope that was in reference to Rufus and not Dark Nation, as there's nothing said in the game that Dark Nation is actually needed other than to protect Rufus in that one battle.

[PhoenixAsh]

Okay, I'm still a bit rusty, but I'll give a riddle a go.

From rags to riches he went,
To what could hold the cup of Midas.
As a champion,
He stood against the rain.
As a failure,
All he could do was wipe his tears.
But he was not a selfish man,
He gave his gift away.

Who to?

This might be easy, it might be hard, the key is to understanding exactly what the riddle is asking.

[abrojtm]

Is it Dyne?

[ehsteve]

Is it Dio giving the temple key to Cloud?

[Lenna]

I think it may have been Dyne BUT the answer is asking who did they give their treasure to. If it is Dyne, he gave Barret the amulet/necklace which Dyne treasured. Therefore the answer would be Barret.

As for the "temple key" it's actually a Keystone. Not a key =)

[Masamune·1600]

Since Dio/Cloud and Dyne/Barret (the two responses which seem most likely) have already been suggested, I'll propose that the answer is Cid and Shera. Riches could refer to his position as a great pilot, and his eminence at becoming, potentially, the first person in space. He would have been a champion at the moment of his seeming triumph, as the rocket prepared for launch--except that Shera was still making adjustments. Had he gone through with the launch, Shera would have been killed. Thus, he ended it, effectively failing. Thus, he gave away his dream to Shera.

[PhoenixAsh]

Sorry, no ones really got close to the answer yet. There me have been some thinking in the area, but I need some explanations. Read the riddle much more carefully.

[DaremihC]

Shot in the dark:

Nanaki?

Seto sounds like the champion... and there was a tear reference... I dunno...

[Shadow_Wolf 6354]

From rags to riches he went,
To what could hold the cup of Midas.
As a champion,
He stood against the rain.i tkink this refers to seto as when you first see him it is raining
As a failure,
All he could do was wipe his tears.he was turned to stone and could only cry
But he was not a selfish man,
He gave his gift away.he left his limeted moon headdress to his son nanaki

:shoot:

[PhoenixAsh]

Sorry, nice thinking, but not right. Seriously I don't usually put in lines that aren't relevant to the riddle.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

It's definitely got something to do with the Gold Saucer. "riches" makes me think of Gold Saucer. Wiping tears makes me think of the tissues you get for losing in the battle square.

Most of the riddle seems to be describing someone who goes from North Corel to the Gold Saucer and fights in the Battle Square, though I'm not sure about the rain part. I can't believe the answer is not Barret. Dyne does what the riddle talks about, then he gives Barret a pendant.

If I'm way off, I needs hints.

[-N-]

All I can think of is the legend of Midas, in which case I would obviously answer the river Pactolus. But this isn't Greek mythology, this is FFVII. And I can't think of anything with a gold gift per se except for Gold Chocobos or the Gold Saucer.

The Dio/Cloud and Dyne/Barret solutions occured to me immediately, and I am also swayed by Seto/Nanaki. If all these are incorrect, I would have to suggest Hojo/Sephiroth - you fight him while it's raining on the Sister Ray, and he gives his gift - Mako energy - to Sephiroth (or tries to).

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

oh, Sephiroth's a great guess. I'm not sure how that ties into the first two lines, though.

[Lenna]

riches, the Kalm traveller? from rags to riches = when cloud fights the weapons you take them to the Kalm traveller because he "needs" them (they are rare too so they can be classed as riches) then in return, he gives you a Gold Chocobo. so I believe it's the Kalm traveller giving the chocobo to Cloud & the gang.

[PhoenixAsh]

Weimar, has been the closest so far, but has taken the whole riddle too literally. Some parts are literal, some are less so.

EDIT: Although I personally think it might make the riddle harder, I'll suggest for the possible sake of accuracy, that you can read line four as
'he stood against the elements'.

[Lenna]

Odin?

[Masamune·1600]

From rags to riches he went,
To what could hold the cup of Midas.
As a champion,
He stood against the rain.
As a failure,
All he could do was wipe his tears.
But he was not a selfish man,
He gave his gift away.

Who to?

"From rags to riches he went / to what could hold the cup of Midas."

This line would seem to imply that the character in question successfully rose from poverty or something similar to a position of affluence (or the like). It's unclear whether this is the same step, or a totally different one from "To what could hold the cup of Midas", but that doesn't really matter. The "cup of Midas" seems an allusion to gold, suggesting that the Gold Saucer is at play in the riddle. Obviously Corel/Desert Prison and/or North Corel could be the "rags", although this could also refer to a number of other locales or situations.

"As a champion / He stood against the rain."

PhoenixAsh has noted that, although it might make the riddle more difficult, the fourth line can be stated more accurately as "He stood against the elements." While one could take this to refer to Fire, Ice, Lightning, and the like, the previous use of "rain" (which is said to be easier, anyway) suggests that "elements" simply refers to climatological conditions (rain, wind, snow, whatever). In any case, the character in question, as a champion of some sort, stood against said elements.

"As a failure / All he could do was wipe his tears."

These lines suggest one of two things. The first is that neither success nor failure is guaranteed; one or the other could happen. This could play to a Battle Square reading of the riddle. Alternatively, the champion/failure references could suggest that the individual was successful at one point, and not successful at some other time. Wiping tears could be figurative, suggesting that our mystery character had no recourse to seek after failing. Taken literally, the line states that, having failed, the character was reduced to tears.

"But he was not a selfish man / He gave his gift away."

The character gave something away. This could really refer to any transition of an item or concept, although "not...selfish" and "gave" suggest that said gift was really given, as opposed to being part of a mutual transaction (which would discount someone like the Kalm traveller, who did receive the Guide Book, Earth Harp, and Desert Rose in return for his gifts).

Also, note that the pronoun "he" was used throughout the riddle. The character in question is male, although the gender of the answer is obviously dependent upon this central character.


I'm not sure how to put this together, though, since my reading is leading me back to Dio. It could, I suppose, refer to the buggy, or a number of other Gold Saucer prizes, as opposed to the Keystone, but I think PhoenixAsh would have suggested that the Keystone guess was close if this were the case. For the sake of putting forward a guess, I'll say the kidin the Sector 6 Slums, giving the Turbo Ether to Cloud, although I don't really have any confidence in it.

[PhoenixAsh]

Very good work from masamune1600 until the Midgar kid guess. The end of the riddle needn't be read into too deeply, I'm actually surprised noone has got this yet, this isn't my hardest riddle by quite a way. I'll just give the answer in a few more guesses, as people really are close.

[Mercen-X]

When you get to the that cottage at the base of Mt. Gaia, Holzoff tells you the story of his climbing days.
He and his friend were climbing but underestimated the harsh weather. To allow Holzoff to survive, his friend cut his rope to lessen the weight on Holzoff.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

I don't get your answer, Mercen-X, but that would be cool if you're right.

[Mercen-X]

Why would that be cool?

Hey PhoenixAsh! You said you'd give the answer after a few guesses. I suggest you do this by opening a new thread. I think 2000 was a high enough post and it's since gone beyond that. If anyone manages to guess the answer, I suggest they make their new riddle in another thread. Just a suggestion.

[Shadow_Wolf 6354]

this riddle has me reduced to tears :crying:
all possible answers that i can think of are gone and all impossible ones dont fit in with the riddle


:shoot:

[Mercen-X]

Marlene . . .
Sephiroth . . .

[PhoenixAsh]

Well I quite like the post count, but either way if someone wants to kick off a new thread, I'll answer in here for some consistency though. Really surprised noone got this...

From rags to riches he went, (North Corel to Gold Saucer)
To what could hold the cup of Midas. (What else would you use to hold Midas' cup BUT a gold saucer? Man I crack myself up :D )
As a champion,
He stood against the rain. (These refer to winning the Parasol in the Speed Square)
As a failure,
All he could do was wipe his tears. (This refers to getting a Tissue for losing)
But he was not a selfish man,
He gave his gift away. (All the lines point to the Gold Saucer and it's prizes, if you've got this far then the only 'gift' this riddle talks about is the Parasol, which is given to AERIS)

So yeah, Aeris is the answer, once you cracked the Gold Saucer hints, I didn't think that would be much of a problem... Oh well, guess I need to keep toning down :P .

[Mercen-X]

That riddle had nothing to do with the parasol or Aeris. Sorry. I'm gonna start a new thread now. Look for FF7 Riddles Part Trois! I'm sorry, that's actually Part Deux!

[-N-]

I'll miss this thread.

[PhoenixAsh]

Yeah I don't really see why we need a new one, but whatever. I also stand by that riddle unless other people think it was bad. I often admit that my riddles are hard, but I actually don't think I made that one vague at all...

[Masamune·1600]

I think we would have gotten there with a few more posts. All someone had to do was make the final connection between rain and the Umbrella.

[-N-]

Y'know, we COULD just keep posting in this one. And I think your riddle was legit.

[PhoenixAsh]

Thanks guys, appreciate that.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

I won't let this thread die!

"I am the first and the last.
I am the alpha and the gamma."

[Del Murder]

I guess it is time.

New riddles thread (http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61084).