VB3 thread

[Dr Unne]

All complaints and problems should be posted here. We'll deal with them as we find them. Please read the announcement before you post here. Thanks.

EDIT: BoB, you'll read this tomorrow: that rar you sent me of the images didn't work after all. Either post it here, or else you can start uploading them to EoFF yourself I guess. I'm just overwriting all the old files in forums/images/buttons, forums/images/icons, etc. etc. You'll see when you look. If you post the file here I'll do it tomorrow.

[eestlinc]

I think the font is too small. The other annoying thing is that it displays the custom title of members who make announcements, which makes no sense.

[Yamaneko]

eest: The announcement thing has always been like that.

The visible table border has to go.

[Shoyku]

Remove post counts. I also have a disliking towards seeing the post icons in the "Last Post" category on the main page.

[Dr Unne]

Font size: Fixed I hope.
Announcements: Always been like that, so far as I know, though it displayed titles below, not beside.
Visible table borders: I said in the announcement that the layout isn't done. Thanks for reading. :)
Removing post counts: Not an immediate concern.
Icons/subjects on the front page: We'll see how that goes. I don't care for it, but I might get used to it.

EDIT: Mental note, smilies need fixed.

[Strider]

The signature has a limit of 500 characters, so I can't have the entirety of the old signature I used to have on the old server. Not fun.

[Big D]

I'm VERY MUCH LIKING the new stuff. Great job :cool:
New profile features are brilliant, the format and layout is comfortable and clear.

[Shoyku]

I also have something against the attachment paperclip and the sticky tack being at the end of the "Thread/Thread Starter" area, I preferred it when it appeared before the thread name.

[Dr Unne]

Sig limit bumped to 5,000 characters.
I'm liking the new stuff too, for the most part.
Shoyku: I don't know how much I care for the placement of those icons either. We'll see. Another layout issue I'll deal with later.

[Agent Proto]

You may want to change the images in the posting area, and get rid of some of these smilies... like what the hell is this rabite doing here? :rabite: Isn't that an FG thing?

[Dr Unne]

Smilies/images are on the list of things I'm too cranky to fix right now. I have no idea how a rabite got in there. I haven't touched the smilies. It must've been on the old list too.

[Big D]

The rabite was always there... a smilie prune is one of those ideas that comes up every couple of months, but gets put on the back-burner because it's not a pressing issue. It can probably wait.

[Agent Proto]

Now, what about these images?

<img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/editor/bold.gif">
<img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/editor/italic.gif">
<img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/editor/underline.gif">

[Dr Unne]

Someone feel free to make better versions and I'll upload them.

[Agent Proto]

8-) Already ahead of you.

[Dr Unne]

Underline and bold seem a bit off.

Those thick black borders have been fixed, in IE and Firebird anyways, using a dirty hack. But it's better than nothing. *avoids a rant at VB and their God-forsaken table-based layouts*

[eestlinc]

currently can't change custom titles or custom avatars.

[Spuuky]

There is a minimum size limit on posts, which I disapprove of.

Also, VB3 is inherently uglier than the old version.

[Big D]

When you click on the link in a "reply to post" email, it takes you to the most recent post in that thread - not the next post after your last one. This is a bit of a pain if there've been umpteen replies since your post... it was a little better the way it used to be, in my opinion.

[edczxcvbnm]

This whole layout blows.

Since when is the name of the thread starter under the name of the thread? Didn't it have it's own table before?

Why bother switching over in the first place? What advantages does it have?

The post number links on every post look stupid.

Post Icons at the bottom of the posting box = retarded. Shouldn't it be next to the title or near it seeing as how that is where the smily will be.

All those quick VB things like /right and stuff piss me off. Just make a VB tags FAQ and don't put it in the FAQs section(that thing is really pathetic to begin with).

Since when does the post before when you reply also show the date and time of when it was posted?

Where are all the icons for stuff at the bottom of each poster?

What is up with this fagtastic red dot telling everyone I am invisible? Thats like running around telling people to look away because you don't want to be seen.

Is the real intention of switching over to a system with this many problems to piss people off into leaving the board?

[Meat Puppet]

I myself think it's pretty good except for some error which keeps popping up asking me if I would like to keep running scripts on this page. Other than that, it's fine
:joker:

[Loony BoB]

Since when is the name of the thread starter under the name of the thread? Didn't it have it's own table before?
Yeah, it did before. We'll see how things go in the long run before we change that. It's obvious that anyone who's been using vB2 for a while won't like vB3 because it's unfamiliar to them. If it still sucks in a long time, we'll think about what needs changing.

Why bother switching over in the first place? What advantages does it have?
HUGE amounts, actually. I've gone through so many of them so many times - you'll find them as you go. Maybe I'll list them after I finish browsing threads.

The post number links on every post look stupid.
I like it. Maybe the number could be smaller, but it's nice to have a link that gives you one post only. It's something I always liked in IPB that vB didn't have.

Post Icons at the bottom of the posting box = retarded. Shouldn't it be next to the title or near it seeing as how that is where the smily will be.
Yeah, we're working on that one. Of all the templates, I can tell you now that the reply page is freaking <i>awful</i> to figure out. vB3 is very, very, very customisable, but only if you know how to do it.

All those quick VB things like /right and stuff piss me off. Just make a VB tags FAQ and don't put it in the FAQs section(that thing is really pathetic to begin with).
/right? I don't get it. If you mean the quick links, I like that stuff and I know a lot of other people do, too, so I guess it's just a matter of opinion. If you don't like it, it shouldn't mean much, since nobody is forcing you to click on them.
[quoet]Since when does the post before when you reply also show the date and time of when it was posted?[/quote]
What? Are you complaining about the fact that it shows the post time of previous posts in the reply page? Oh, come on. That's freaking helpful, ed. *thwack* Nothing to complain about at all.

Where are all the icons for stuff at the bottom of each poster?
Click on someone's name. Most of them are now there. This halves the load time of a thread.
[qutoe]What is up with this fagtastic red dot telling everyone I am invisible? Thats like running around telling people to look away because you don't want to be seen.[/quote]
See, Staff see that in vB2, actually. We can see when you're online, invisible or not. Now you can see yourself, too. Can anyone else see you? No. So don't worry. :) I don't like the vB3 images either, and we're still working on that stuff.

Is the real intention of switching over to a system with this many problems to piss people off into leaving the board?
Problems? It doesn't have any problems that I've seen. Just things that aren't yet finished. You obviously don't know how many advantages vB3 has to vB2. =P

I'm considering working on a seperate style that will basically replicate the vB2 style, although it will probably take months to complete. Still, keep in mind that if you give vB3 enough time to get used to it, you'll see huge advantages. There are so many extras - including many things that people have requested in feedback before but were denied (hi sig preview).

There were also a few security holes that vB2 had which are now completely gone, which is great.

EDIT: Meat Puppet, what browser are you using and which pages do you get this error?

EDIT: eest, that will get fixed asap.

[crono_logical]

eestlinc: fixed

[Kami]

This is going to- OMG! Look at this reply to thread page!!! *tears away from it* errr... yeah as I was saying.... This is going to take me a while for me to get used to.

[edczxcvbnm]

Thank you for answering most all of my petty complaints BoB. Its not that I can't get use to the way things look as much as I hate companies who feel the need to completley change a layout that was fine before. Why not just add the new functionality? Ya know? All it does is piss off 79% of the people who were using the last version.

I like the little box(to an extent on) that lets me log in whenever on any page but it annoys me that it stays and says when I last visited. Showing you that you have new PMs is nice but I thought that was what the pop up box was for.

I just don't like the VB tags like {size} and all of that. I didn't like those buttons before and I don't like them now. It just seems like there are more of them.

I like how it gives a reason for deletion(why is it even there. 99% of the time you delete a post is so that no one knows you posted in the first place). The reason for editing seems kind of pointless also. It is usually because of typos or you just need to finish your thought which you thought you had already finished.

I know mods and stuff can see me invisible(which irks me) but why do I need to know I am invisible? I am the one that choose that option. I know I am invisible *thwacks vB3*

[eternalshiva]

Do we still have the Quick Reply option? I can't seem to be able to find it to enable it.

[edczxcvbnm]

Okay...so I just deleted a message and I filled out the box that said something like 'reason for deleting'. Does that reason and post go into some sort of special staff thread to view deleted content?

[Loony BoB]

Do they go away entirely if you select the simple editor view in the User CP Options area? I think they do.

Most of the new stuff couldn't be added beforehand without hacking the board about ten times more than Aaron's hacked Fool's Gold. That should give you a rough idea of how much is new. :p Here's a few examples:

<LI>Folders for your PM's.
<LI>Mods can now do a crapload more than they could before, such as editing sigs, IP matching and the like.
<LI>You can now search user defined fields (meaning that once we add the option, you'll be able to search by journal etc)
<LI>Soon enough, clout should fix the board up so that you can select quick reply without changing the style of the board.
<LI>You'll also have the options to move the avatar, location etc. to the top of the post instead of to the left, although I doubt too many oldbies will use that (we're waiting on clout for that too).
<LI>clout will also add the option of having smilies disabled by default.
<LI>Logging in on any page.
<LI>Sig preview.
<LI>You can add polls to existing threads instead of having to make a new one.
<LI>Multiple attachments.
<LI>Subscriptions without emails - and before you think "Wow that's dumb" like I once did, it's nifty as all it does is create a "forum" in your user CP that shows all the threads you've posted in.
<LI>You can allow people to see who voted for what in your polls.
<LI>Extremely lightweight-browsing - see the "archive" link at the bottom right of any page.
<LI>A highly improved PM box, showing used/available space, paged view, download options of text, CSV and XML...

There's a lot more than that, but a lot of it is for admins so it won't mean much to you, or else it's something that we aren't using (eg, reputations and the like).

EDIT: And this is what happens when you delete a message... see attachment.

EDIT AGAIN: And you don't actually have to put a reason for editing, you know. =P Some people often edit some typo in their post and add in "EDIT: Typo" - I guess this means they can put that elsewhere? Oh well. And as for you seeing yourself as invisible, yeah, I'm used to that, it's not exactly a big deal. :p We'll get rid of the bit circle, though. I'll do that now. I hate that bit dotty thing. Uuuugly.

[Kami]

MULTIPLE ATTATCHMENTS!!!!! That's pretty sweet! <s>But how are you suppose to quote people without the quote button?</s> ><;;

[Citizen Bleys]

So how are you liking the fact that Knights can now edit signatures by themselves, without going to an admin? xD

EoFF belongs in vB3. And of course, you *know* if you need any help with the transition...make BoB an admin. He knows more about vB3 than any of us.

[edczxcvbnm]

I looked at your attachment bob and I don't see it on my screen so I guess it is something that the staff can look at. In which case I will write huge messages to you guys from now on.

The edit reason thing appears under you sig by the way. You can look up and see it in my previous post...or posts?

I know most of the options are the same but and new things are added that should have been added ages ago. BUUUUUUUT I still don't like that every time anything like this happens with any site/program they always change the look. Its more of a personal grudge against these people more than anything.

Could you also make the seach paramters for searchs 1 character. Forcing 4 sucks. You have no clue how many times I have to broaden my search because of it. I just want to find a post about metroid 2....the 2 can't be used because it is 1 character and not 4. PISSES ME OFF!

[crono_logical]

BoB: Why is your EoFF green in that screenshot? :p

Other new stuff I like includes previewing a thread just by hovering in the forum view, plus hovering the mouse in various other areas give you info you didn't get before on vB2 :p

edcz: The problem with allowing small search strings is the search database grows exponentially (I think, roughly anyway) as you allow smaller and smaller strings - I think it was around a quarter of the database size when we change servers. I thought the minimum string used to be 3 though, not 4.

[Spuuky]

The biggest reason I don't like the way it looks now (besides that it's generally less aesthetic) is that it looks exactly like Eyes Off Final Fantasy, which is worse than EoFF.

[Peegee]

Random bouts of table problems. The poster's table width random stretches to two table lengths, so we have that annoying scrunched up post that's off the edge of the 2nd cell.

wtf...

other than that...well, there's lots of preferential problems but it's okay I suppose. *goes to look at people's post counts*

[Erdrick Holmes]

What's the little "+" sign mean next to the names of some ofthe active users?

[crono_logical]

Spuuky: That's because I think Eoffff took the test template we were going to use for this place from the test forums, so it would look similar :p

PG: I never worked out that scrunched up post thing on the right, it's completely random for me too :p

Joel: + sign where?

[Ichy]

I love the Quick Reply function and the drop-down menus for user functions, very handy. Edit: Again, *very* handy ;)

I think the pop-up "Are you sure you want to log off?" window is absolutely retarded.... Of course I want to, I clicked the tiny little link all tucked out of the way, didn't I?

[Endless]

Okay, small details: In the profile view, the user rank (former staff for example) is displayed at the right of the cell, while the username and custome title are displayed on the left. It looks silly.
Maybe it's a feature: my username is the first in the who's online list, despite Proto, Doom, Unne being on who should therefore be before me in alphabetical order. It's okay how it is, just wondering if that was on purpose.
Could the "Welcome, username" etc... box be moved back to the left, possibly with the chocobo indicator of new PMs? It can wait, but I liked it more as it used to be.

That's all I see right now, the rest looks fine so far.

[Dr Unne]

The + means that the person is on your buddy list.

<i> Is the real intention of switching over to a system with this many problems to piss people off into leaving the board?</i> --ed

No, that would only be an unforseen advantage of switching.

We're thinking of leaving the PM box where it is, to see if people get used to it. We'll see.

[crono_logical]

Raf: Maybe your Who's Online list isn't sorted? Mine's sorted alphabetically, but you can also reverse it or sort by last activity or whatever other columns are visible for you.

[Kami]

Woooo!!! we got the quick reply back!

[crono_logical]

Yes :p I also added/fixed (can't remember if it even was in vB2 actually) the disable smilies in new posts option, which you can set in your profiles too near the quick reply :p

[eternalshiva]

Where the heck do you load up the custom avatars? xD I can't find where you load it up!

[Peegee]

Oh my, there's no post icon in the quick reply! I'm going to have to look at all my posts since it was enabled to make sure I have the :D face set up.

<3

[eestlinc]

the add reply button is still too high compared to the new thread button.

[Loony BoB]

Maybe it's a feature: my username is the first in the who's online list, despite Proto, Doom, Unne being on who should therefore be before me in alphabetical order. It's okay how it is, just wondering if that was on purpose.
Yeah, I suppose you could call it a feature - it does that on all the other vB3's I go to as well. You go first, then everyone else in alpha order. It only works in the forum view (or if it's turned on, the "who is viewing this forum/thread" thing), though, not the Who's Online page itself.

Could the "Welcome, username" etc... box be moved back to the left, possibly with the chocobo indicator of new PMs? It can wait, but I liked it more as it used to be.
Yeah, I liked that too, but we'll see how things go, I guess. I'm sure it'll be looked into at least a bit.

[crono_logical]

Site Staff can change custom avatars now - the permissions were wrong. Actually, I'd better go through all the usergroups.

[Dr Unne]

The avatar permissions for all the usergroups are very likely wrong. I noticed that the VB set the default to not allow anyone to change it, but I didn't have time to fix it yesterday.

[Shoyku]

I'd also appreciate it if the <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/buttons/firstnew.gif> icon were switched with the Final Fantasy pointer hand, like it used to be.

[RSL]

I can't find the arcade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dr Unne]

The arcade hack isn't going to be compatible with this version of the VB, most likely.

[MecaKane]

If the thread name is too long it bumps the forum name down a line.
And it's weird. @_@
Like <a href=http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=44808&page=2&pp=30">here</a> :o
Well on 1024, on lower resolutions it probably does it on lots of threads.

And the smilies thing changes randomly, I was gonna click this really wicked awesome one, but when I previewed reply of what I had there it all changed. :erm: (not what I wanted to click before) :sad:

[Linus]

The arcade's been broken for months, anyway.

[crono_logical]

Maybe the smilies are random in the normal reply, I dunno. They seem to be the same all the time for me in the minimal reply though.

[Dr Unne]

Thread title fixed.

[MecaKane]

Ohh, hmm.
They're the same, each time I reload/preview post now. x_X
Maybe they just got changed around while I was making that first post or something. >_>

[eternalshiva]

Umm, custom titles can't be changed either. :/

[Kami]

blimey.... army time suxors.

[Shoyku]

I don't see the point in having all the message icons in white except for underline, so use this instead:

[Strider]

Is it just me, or does the calendar look terribly cluttered?

[Shoyku]

It's not just you, Strider.

[Loony BoB]

I'm assuming that at the moment, all the smilies have the order level of 1, meaning they'll appear at random - they have been for me, too. Someone's going to have to go through the entire set of smilies changing their order numbers until they're sorted. Basically you just change everything to 999 and then change the ones you want to appear in the shortlisting to 1-20. It's a long task so I guess it can be done later on.

EDIT: Agreed on the calendar thing, but that's the last thing we really need to worry about right now. First priority is to sort out things that aren't working before we play around and potentially mess up even more things. xD

EDIT: Thanks for the underline, Shoy. :)

[Shoyku]

And since bold looks so horribly aligned, just use this as a replacement:

[crono_logical]

Fix the too-high-up Add Reply too :p

[crono_logical]

blimey.... army time suxors.
Weren't the times in 24hr format before? Regardless, AM/PM should be capitalised, not small letters if they weren't :p

[Dr Unne]

I like small letters though.

(Reply button: moved down a few pixels.)

[crono_logical]

I don't :p I don't actually like AM/PM at all, but small looks worse for some reason :p

Hmm, would be nice if I could figure out how to add a custom date/time format/option thingy in profiles :p

[Dr Unne]

I'm nearly positive that we've never had army time here. I believe this because I can't read army time without taking a second to convert it mentally, and I don't remember needing to do so when looking at the MB.

[Loony BoB]

I don't :p I don't actually like AM/PM at all, but small looks worse for some reason :p

Hmm, would be nice if I could figure out how to add a custom date/time format/option thingy in profiles :p
You'd have to do a fair bit of messing around for that - it'd be a lot easier if you created a child setting if you're that nitpicky about such things, but I think it's fine with AM/PM - just like it always has been. :)

EDIT: You're right, Unne. I've looked at threads I've saved and it's AM/PM.

[Kirobaito]

I don't know if this means nuthin', but when you view all posts by a user, the max is 500 instead of showing all 1100 and somethin' of mine.

[crono_logical]

You don't need to know your postcount, do you? :p

Actually, I don't know why it does that, yet :p

[Kirobaito]

I know what my postcount is, it's to look at my old posts. And other people's old posts.

[crono_logical]

Fixed now :p

[Kirobaito]

Muchas gracias, senor cronological.

[Endless]

I redid the Aim, y!m and icq icons so that they don't have that white glow around them. They should be fine now.

[Erdrick Holmes]

I don't know if I'm the only one who noticed this or not but sometimes the table that displays the users avatar and stuff. I'll attach an image to illustrate my point!

[bennator]

I vote BoB admin.

And, Just wondering, do the old VB2 tags like OOC and Q (the shortcut quotes) work in this version as well?

[Doomgaze]

forget all these petty complaints until you fix the table borking >=[

[The Man]

I vote BoB admin.
I second this motion.

Also, someone remove the signature character limit completely please. I have lots of stuff in my signature but it's mostly markup, and I can't edit my signature even though it's not breaking any size limites. Since mods can edit sigs anyway you don't have to worry about signatures running rampantly huge like you would have under vB2.

Also, I like the randomly selected smilies. Some of these smilies would never even get used if it weren't for the randomness. :bleys

[Kami]

Why don't we? I mean, BoB is responsible enough. :D?

[eestlinc]

maybe because we already have six admins...

[Del Murder]

I don't care about the smilies because I use quick relpy. :cool:

EDIT: Also, I think I'm going to mention quick reply in every post I make for the rest of the night.

[eestlinc]

I hate quick reply

I also don't like that vB3 posts threads while you are making the poll, thus confusing whoever sees the thread before the poll is up.

[crono_logical]

If you don't like quick reply, then turn it off in your profile :p

Don't think I can do much about the poll thing :p

[eternalshiva]

How come like an hour ago I had the quick reply option and now it disapeared? I haven't changed anything in my profile and it poofed on me :(

[Loony BoB]

Guys, six admins is more than enough, so don't fuss yourselves over that one. I can advise, anyway, and clout can figure out next to everything as it is.

As for the quick reply stuff, I know they've been fiddling around with it a little, if you have any troubles with it while we're still tweaking the board, it should just be a matter of going back to your vB Options in the user cp and fixing it.

[crono_logical]

Quick Reply should be off by default - it was on by mistake for anyone that hadn't explicitly turned it on in their profiles due to an error in the code, so you have to go turn it on in your profile if you want it on now :p You probably just hadn't turned it on and were taking it for granted for being there :p

[HOOTERS]

I can't really see what's changed except it looks a bit crapper imho. I like how you can see what the first post is in that little box thingy though.

[Linus]

All I know is that the board is significantly uglier than it was a week ago.

[crono_logical]

You'll get used to it :p

*adds Chrono Trigger pendulum to every page to hypnotise everyone into thinking it's good* :p

Oh yeah, all the old tags should still be working anyway. Except maybe spoiler, forgot about those :p

[Loony BoB]

HOOTERS' and Linus' posts make me think of when my Mum used to tell me to look for something, and I'd not be able to find it, and Mum would move a few things and find it. While doing this, she would say in an irritated voice "Search with your hands, not your eyes, Daniel." =x

[HOOTERS]

HOOTERS' and Linus' posts make me think of when my Mum used to tell me to look for something, and I'd not be able to find it, and Mum would move a few things and find it. While doing this, she would say in an irritated voice "Search with your hands, not your eyes, Daniel." =x

A hooker once told me that. :carlie:

[blue_midget192]

where has the "view all posts" button gone!?!?!?!?!?! :conf:

[crono_logical]

If you mean New Posts, then either at the top with all the other links like User CP, FAQ, Album etc., or in the Quick Links pop-up menu up there as well.

[Linus]

I once told Hooters that.

[HOOTERS]

So that was YOU! The dinosaur hat, the pencil shavings...the trip to Disney Land! Suddenly it all makes sense...

[Dr Unne]

<i>I can advise, anyway, and clout can figure out next to everything as it is.</i> --BoB

.........:(

[Ichy]

I agree with HOOTERS, the tool tip displaying the first post in a thread is great.

Also, last time I logged out that "Are you sure?" window didn't come up. The screen went gray like it should but whole thing just froze up after. I opened my task manager and the program was still functional, still responding, there was just nothing happening anymore.

[Burtsplurt]

Looks good to me. :) Can't say that I've even noticed 90% of what people want fixing, though. Good work, staff.

[crono_logical]

<i>I can advise, anyway, and clout can figure out next to everything as it is.</i> --BoB

.........:(Unne's signature comes to mind here :p

[Loony BoB]

Oh, I know Unne can too. xP I just say clout because he's the one who's around more of the times that I am. *cuddles Unnesybuns* I still love you. In fact, you're much more lovable than clout. clout's sort of like a dildo.

*runs*

[crono_logical]

Users can now customise the date and time format in their CPs :p Now I don't have to look at those nasty American formatted dates anymore :p

[Dr Unne]

I think it would be possible to allow people to type in their own PHP date string, using an editable field instead of a dropdown menu, right? That'd be more customizable, and easier to code anyways, and I think that's how phpBB does it too. Set a reasonable default and most people won't have to touch it anyways. If you're a geek enough to care about your date format, then you're probably a geek enough to know how to type your own PHP date format strings.

PS BoB you scare me.

[Loony BoB]

Victory.

What would happen if someone put something like "a;sioeghaow" into such a field, Unne? 'cause some people undoubtedly will.

[crono_logical]

PS BoB you scare me.BoB's signature comes to mind here :p

[Loony BoB]

I'm just one great big bottle of love. :)

[Dr Unne]

If they put that crap into the date field, they'd get "pm;4404oe505pmo4" as their date format. Any non-format characters in a PHP date string are interpreted as the characters themselves. You'd probably have to limit the length of the input field, but if people want to look at a line of gibberish and stretch the tables instead of look at a coherent date, they'd only be doing so for themselves.

I'd make the change myself, but I don't really want to edit stuff while someone else might be editing it at the same time, so *does nothing*.

[crono_logical]

I don't think everyone that wants to change their format would know PHP date formats. Like BoB, for example :D

EDIT: I suppose we could have two UPFs, one with the menu, and the string one, and to use the string one, you have to pick custom in the menu or something :p This is starting to sound messy though :p

[Dr Unne]

You can just put an input field, and put a text blurb like

Common formats:
12 hour: g:i:s A
24 hour: H:i:s

(Should be g in the format you have there now, too; leading 0's = bad *fixes*) So people can copy/paste those formats from the blurb if they want. And like I said, put a reasonable default (12 hour like at the old MB) and people won't even have to touch it. It works fine for phpBB.

[Big D]

When you're looking at or replying to a thread, the title's all bunched up into a column that's one word wide...

[Dr Unne]

Could you show a screenshot? It doesn't look wrong to me.

[Big D]

"..."

[Dr Unne]

At least one of the columns HAS to word-wrap, if the title is going to fit up there at all. The last piece in the list is probably the best one to pick to wrap. I reduced the font size of the title to 8pt, so it should wrap less now at least. The other option is to remove the "Welcome" box, but I kinda like it.

[Big D]

Couldn't the thread title slide in underneath the "Eyes on Final Fantasy Forums > Reference > Feedback Forum > VB3 thread" part?

[Dr Unne]

That's actually how VB3 comes by default, with the thread title always automatically on another line below the rest of the stuff. It looked hideous. I don't know how to keep it on the same line as the rest of the stuff unless it's too big, and then to move it down. I don't think it's too bad the way it is now, with smaller fonts.

[crono_logical]

I thought I changed it back to two lines at the test forums to accomodate that. Smaller font still looks nice though :p

I'll change the time thingy later unless you do it first, I find it harder to do stuff on a laptop :p

[Dr Unne]

The VB actually is pretty smart; it lets you have a dropdown and an input field, and if you put something in the input field it overrides the dropdown. *enjoys his lowercase 'pm' and lack of trailing 0's on the date*

Yeah, sorry for screwing up the display. If you put a bit of invalid PHP in the template I was editing, the VB chokes on the whole template.

[crono_logical]

I found that out when I missed off an ; at the end of one line this morning :p

[Kirobaito]

This probably is useless, but is it even possible to change "guest" back to the much more mysterious "lurker?"

[Loony BoB]

That's actually how VB3 comes by default, with the thread title always automatically on another line below the rest of the stuff. It looked hideous. I don't know how to keep it on the same line as the rest of the stuff unless it's too big, and then to move it down. I don't think it's too bad the way it is now, with smaller fonts.
Is there no way to make it word wrap, but have the entire line in one cell? Instead of having the thread title in a seperate one...

[crono_logical]

It's wrapping now, seems better to me, up to you if you want it to stay like that though :p


EDIT: Guests should have been lurkered too now :p

[Squall2]

Why dont you do a seperate thread all all FF's called: "bosses". I think it would make it easier for people who are stuck on bosses to post there or at least have a look. ;) :D

[crono_logical]

Why dont you do a seperate thread all all FF's called: "bosses". I think it would make it easier for people who are stuck on bosses to post there or at least have a look. ;) :DWell, a) it has nothing to do with the vB3 upgrade, and b) it's not like we're overwhelmed with such threads. If we were, then it'd be a bad idea anyway due to the number of bosses, so would make it hard to search through such a thread for what you want. It's fine with people making threads as they need it :p

[Endless]

BoB pointed to me that the MSN icon is butt-ugly, even to MS standards. So I got a screenshot from the current one, using the tray icon, and made it an icon with the appropriate name (I think).

[Thaliel]

This all doesn't look too bad, but I'd appreciate if the font could be a little bigger...I already have not too good eyes and reading this small font for a longer while gives me a headache.

[crono_logical]

Which fonts are small? They were actually even smaller before but I changed them back :p

[The Man]

He's probably using Exploder and can't resize the font to be bigger. Which is another reason Micro$oft deserves to be shot for making such a horrible browser.

Edit: There also appear to be a few instances remaining of 9px/7.5pt Verdana, which is pretty small. It's not really worth worrying about though.

[Dr Unne]

My fonts in Linux are automatically the perfect size all the time somehow, so I can't really tell what the rest of you are seeing. Someone post some screenshots if something looks bad.

[crono_logical]

Oh yeah, ain't browsed this place in Linux again since I installed my 600 odd TrueType fonts in there :p Maybe later, that requires rebooting :p

If those some instances you're referring to the date/time by posts in threads, I think those are fine since they seem to match the button image text on the other side now :p

[Doomgaze]

Perhaps you didn't hear me the first time.


FIX THE :love: TABLES.

[crono_logical]

Can't fix something I don't see, you have to be more specific :p

[The Man]

I miss ed's technicolor nightmare. :(

[crono_logical]

can do that later :p

[The Man]

But I want it back and I want it NOW! :(

Oh, alright. :(

[Big D]

Until the server change, there was a handy box at the bottom of every page where you could change format, from the EoFF default, to Ed's Nightmare, to the oh-so-pretty PMS... but now those format options are nowhere to be found :cry: ...

[crono_logical]

That's because I did those changes before I realised that Sean had already gone backed up the database, so they're lost now :p Man will have to link me to FG's e.t.n again too :p

Now tell me if you see that table screwing up stuff still, I've tried to (re)fix that now :p

[The Man]

http://foolsgold.kicks-ass.net/forum/index.php?changestyle=8

[Peegee]

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[crono_logical]

Yeah, I know it's still screwing up, I get it on firefox on my laptop :p No, I can't see what's wrong with the html, the td tags look fine to me so it could be a browser bug for all I know :p

[Peegee]

That's no good. I'm saddened. :( :( :( :(

[Big D]

'Banned' titles don't seem to be appearing for people banned since the VB3 upgrade... and banned folks aren't on the memberlist, either.

[crono_logical]

Ok, tried something else to see if it stops the table thing.

Banned titles should appear now - the banned usergroup didn't have a rank in the CP before :p

[Big D]

Banned people have two 'banned' titles (http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=43980), and still don't appear on the memberlist.... :confused:

[crono_logical]

Did Banned people used to show on the memberlist?

The ones with 2 "ranks" actually have a user title plus user rank - this will be messy to fix without wiping everyone's custom titles so I'll do it later unless Unne wants to try first :p

[Loony BoB]

Banned people have always shown up on the memberlist.

I didn't know RM's still showed up on the forum leaders, I thought they were hidden there.

[crono_logical]

Banned members back on the memberlist then, RM's hidden.

The banned users with 2 ranks should be fixed now.

[eestlinc]

no, keep RM's on the forum leaders :D

that was the best change in the move!

[Dr Unne]

So far as the screwed up tables, think http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.eyesonff.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Fp%3D759860 might have anything to do with it? 511 errors. VB3 has some of the most horrendous HTML I've seen in my life. I don't know the chances of even being able to fix it so it's valid.

I don't know if that'd help stop those table errors either. The table errors appear on a page, and then you refresh and they're gone, or in different places. It might be a Firefox bug. Or it might be that the HTML is so invalid that the browser has no idea what to do, so it does random things.

[crono_logical]

Happens in Mozilla too for me though - it's more likely to happen in firefox though, yeah. I've not tried IE, so dunno.

[The Man]

vB3's templates are quite simply crap. they're so utterly appalling that I'm tempted never to upgrade any forum i'm admin at, ever.

and I miss RMs and Former Staff being on the list of forum leaders. :(

[Loony BoB]

Geez, and here I was using <<i></i>s> tags and people come along saying that to be exact I should use some long span tag instead and vB3 is filled with that sort of stuff and now you're saying that it's invalid! D= I don't know who to listen to these days. But yay for <<i></i>s> tags because they're short and easy to type out.

[Dr Unne]

I didn't even know the s tag was deprecated. Or I knew but semi-forgot.

[The Man]

I strongly dislike the W3C for deprecating the s tag. That was actually useful, you jerkoffs

[Dr Unne]

I think the idea is that all formatting should be CSS, and HTML should only be for presenting the data itself. Doesn't have much to do with the usefulness of the tags, or even their ease of use. More along the lines of making HTML sane, and making things easy for programmers in the long run rather than the short. The greatness of CSS makes me happy enough that I don't care if they take away my s tags.

[Peegee]

The animesuki forums use VBB 3.0.0 as well, and I've never seen the table disparity issue, so I don't think it's either Firebird or VB3. Just to complicate matters for you all. You can thank me later.

[crono_logical]

At least use [<b></b>s] instead, BoB, since that BBCode converts to the corrent long span thing and css :p

I wonder if the style="overflow: hidden;" attribute was causing it to mess up sometimes - it seems fine since I removed that.