Ultimecia is eternal

[TasteyPies]

A friend and i were talking about this..


Rinoa..... becomes Ultimecia.......gives powers to Edea..... who gives powers to Rinoa..... becomes Ultimecia.......who gives powers to Edea........who gives powers to Rinoa......ect

Strange huh? the timeloop is actualy neverending and verry confusing

[SeeDRankLou]

It's not a time loop, it's more time displacement. Ultimecia has a life, it begins, it goes, it ends. It's just that, chronologically, the end happens before the beginning. Sequentially, her life just happens. It's not like she's younger when she's in the past than she was in the future (and the past tense verb is correctly used there). And, loop in the wrong word here. A loop would imply that these things keep happening. All of these events only happen once. Again, it's just that the end happens before the beginning.

Ultimecia to Edea......Ultimecia controls Edea.....Edea to Rinoa....Ultimecia controls Rinoa......time compression....Ultimecia is defeated.....Rinoa in some way to Ultimecia

All of those things only happen once, just really out of order.

[TasteyPies]

Yes it happens once
But It doesnt it happens more than once


:confused:

It happens once but because it happened it keeps happening

Time loop is happenen, uh yo

Like in final fantasy 1

[SeeDRankLou]

It happens once but because it happened it keeps happening

Congratulations, you have just used all the tenses of the infinitive to happen in the same sentence.

Mmm.... ....... ...no. I know that by the way it's structured it seems to be looping, but no.

[zacks_clone]

IF rinoa is ultimecia.

look, it would continue to loop merely in the past. The moment ultimecia is defeated, its over. The loop would forever be in the past,and not the present.(presnt would be after ulti. defeated)

[TasteyPies]

ok fine fine fine but i was thinking maybe, being as powerfull as she was she could send some of her mind with her powers, (which is why rinoa becomes insane and turns into Ultimecia)

[celtcknight]

It constantly loops, or repeats. You only experience it once. Like squall and party only experience it once.

[TasteyPies]

It constantly loops, or repeats. You only experience it once. Like squall and party only experience it once.

ok but if Ultimecia could send her mind with her power (I think its possible) where would she continue go after she was done experiancing the loop? What would she experiance after it? considering time is a neverending line what happens when you cut a part off and tape the ends together? You cant jump off the loop onto the line again, you have to follow the loop!

[celtcknight]

sorry, but by the way you said that, im not sure i get what your asking.

She doesnt experience the loop physically persai. She's like Sauraman (LOTR-TT) controlling people while he sits on his thrown, which she can do since she has JME. To put it easier she would respond with the loop as ellone does. They just sit there and meditate pretty much.

Has anyone ever noticed that theirs a naked lady centerpiece in the ballroom at Balamb Garden? You see it at the beginning and end (when rinoa is spinning around the spinning room). Is there some significance for it? Also arent those feathers black at the intro movie (Liberi Fatali)? At first when squall fights, the feathers look white, regardless to glare and shadow. But at the end of the clip, the feathers around Rinoa and Squall are black.

[TasteyPies]

I wasn't talking about her power of time travel CK, i was talking about her general sorceress powers, maybe when she transfers her powers to eade when she dies she could have also transfered part of her mind. NOT THE TIME TRAVEL THING. Im trying to invent power, i mean shes is an incredably powerfull sorceress who says se cant send her mind with her powers?

[ShivaBlizzard8]

I think its pretty obvious in the game that the transfer of powers between one sorceress and another is completely seperate from Ultimecia's ability to inhabit someone else's body with her mind. Actually, I can tell you for a FACT that its impossible for Ultimecia to transfer her mind with her powers because she is not powerful enough to transfer her mind at all. The only time she is able to transfer her mind to others is ARTIFICIALLY. With the aid of Dr. Odine's machine, JME, Ulty attempts to replicate Ellone's ability, and even that isn't powerful enough to work very well, which is why she's looking for the originial Ellone. So, since she needs the help of a machine to inhabit the minds of others, I'm going to go out on a limb and say she's not powerful enough to transfer her mind to anyone else at will.

[aeris2001x2]

to bad rinoa IS NOT ultimecia.

no its ironic that in order to kill seed and rule the world but not erase herself from existence by killing rinoa and squall( parents ,grand parents ,greatgrandparents etc) was to cause time compression.

however she could only have gotten the powers to cause time compression via her initial manipulations of edea, who got her powers from ultimecias death via time compresion. i think ff8 really shows the iresitable nature of fate.

[TasteyPies]

The only time she is able to transfer her mind to others is ARTIFICIALLY. With the aid of Dr. Odine's machine,

Just because some old guy goes on a power trip and thinks someone revived one of his old works and turned it into something great doesnt mean it happened. It was the old quacks theory, not fact.

He never takes out some super mirror that can see into the future and shows the gang Ultimecia using a better version of his machine in the future, he just ASSUMED she did, and assumption can be dangerous.

Lets say she DID find it, maybe she learned its powers, heck if Quistis can learn magic from an item why cant the mightiest sorceress? AND since she is the mightiest sorceress why couldnt she one up it and be able to transfer her mind?

[celtcknight]

to bad rinoa IS NOT ultimecia.

no its ironic that in order to kill seed and rule the world but not erase herself from existence by killing rinoa and squall( parents ,grand parents ,greatgrandparents etc) was to cause time compression.

however she could only have gotten the powers to cause time compression via her initial manipulations of edea, who got her powers from ultimecias death via time compresion. i think ff8 really shows the iresitable nature of fate.

Did you just contradict yourself?

[SeeDRankLou]

Lets say she DID find it, maybe she learned its powers, heck if Quistis can learn magic from an item why cant the mightiest sorceress? AND since she is the mightiest sorceress why couldnt she one up it and be able to transfer her mind?

It's not bad at all to speculate, but you have to speculate based on something. This whole idea of transfering a piece of her mind is from way out in left field with no backing. What if...what if...what if is all you're really doing here. Why would she transfer a piece of her mind? How would she know to transfer a piece of her mind? Remember, she is born and she then she takes over Edea. She has no idea that Edea has her powers. If she did then she knows that she must not succeed in doing what she is doing and she wouldn't do it. It just doesn't make sense that she would know to transfer a piece of her mind. It makes much more sense that she is using an Odine device.

[Rusty]

That might all be so...If Rinoa became Ultimecia..but she didn't.....Rinoa and Ultimecia are two completley different people.

[ShivaBlizzard8]

Just because some old guy goes on a power trip and thinks someone revived one of his old works and turned it into something great doesnt mean it happened. It was the old quacks theory, not fact. He never takes out some super mirror that can see into the future and shows the gang Ultimecia using a better version of his machine in the future, he just ASSUMED she did, and assumption can be dangerous.

Yes, he just ASSUMED she did, BUT that assumption was based on the fact that he KNEW Ulty was looking for Ellone to tap into her powers. Whether she used the machine or not, it still goes to say that Ulty needed help to pass her mind onto others - hence her search for Ellone.


Lets say she DID find it, maybe she learned its powers, heck if Quistis can learn magic from an item why cant the mightiest sorceress? AND since she is the mightiest sorceress why couldnt she one up it and be able to transfer her mind?

Again, then why does she need Ellone? And if she's such a powerful sorceress, how come one orphan girl can do somthing she can't and 6 other orphans can kick her butt given enough training? There's just no basis in the game to prove what you're saying.

[celtcknight]

That might all be so...If Rinoa became Ultimecia..but she didn't.....Rinoa and Ultimecia are two completley different people.

Support???? You need some backing and elaboration for us.

[Rusty]

Do I now :P Anyways..its a fact. Rinoa does not = Ulty

[aeris2001x2]

Did you just contradict yourself?

just that the only way ultimecia could manipulate edea is by being fated to die. the ironic thing is in trying to control time, hence everything else including fate, she was in reality just accepting her fate. she was fated to die trying to control time and fate.

its similar to an anime i have in which the main human enemy tries to stop god from destroying the world by manipulating the gods nemesis, attempting to take its blood and ruling instead of god. however god has no real power, it is the nemesis that has the power and god can only win with the nemesis's power. and it is the villan who allows god to take the nemesis power in trying to stop god.

zelda ocarina of time had sumthin like that 2. these r just examples of trying to change destiny is oftern just doing what fate wants u to. e,g ultimecia who pulled the strings was in reality being pulled herself.

i know i,m a bit confusing but ff8's time loop is so much cooler then ff1s. bet u cant guess which anime i used.

[PhoenixAsh]

What is it about R=U that makes people incite arguements? I really don't want it banned again, but even I get tempted to flame when people state things as fact with no basis at all.
Seriously don't use things with no solid basis as 'proof' that another theory is untrue it gets everything confused.

As for this loop. Well the first post is actually accurate, the power is looped. Passing on minds I fail to see the point of, it seems unlikely, and doesn't explain anything.

[TasteyPies]

You notice the last 8 posts arent mine, i was waiting for the topic to die off i realized i hit a dead end after the first few angry raged hatrid posts from people who think im a complete idiot. Let it drop, if your tired of these topics then hush up and dont post in them!

Instead of flaming me and my idea ignore it and let it fade into oblivion.

It was just something that I thought might be fun to talk about!
I didnt mean for anyone to get POed

[Del Murder]

This is not an R=U thread. Please do not turn it into one. This is adressing everyone. Also do not respond to this post. Please stay on topic.

[Rusty]

scary :P