Opening FMV

[Starcrest]

Alright, I just started this game...again, and I was watching the opening FMV. The first question is, since Seifer used his 'Firecross' on Squall, wouldn't there be a burn mark from the fire? And the other, before Seifer slashes Squall, I saw a lil explosion by Seifer's gun tip, and I was wondering if he had shot a shot at Squall?

[Rusty]

Well there might have been a burn mark...but we'll never know..and no squall doesn't get shot just a scar.

:)

[TasteyPies]

A burn mark? good question he wears so much clothing you can never tell.....why did they change ffs from charicters covered in clothing to charicters wearing barely any? (X-2)

[Starcrest]

truely a good question...and yet i dont have an answer.

[Rye]

Probably because he got slashed and burned. His scar always seemed a little dark to me, maybe it's partly a burn too?

[Starcrest]

mayb

[§håd0w]

Well, if it was just that small blast, then it probably wouldn't burn him, since the flame was only orange. If you've ever put a candle out with your fingers, its the same concept, he touched the coolest of the flame, and it was only for a breif second, so it wouldn't leave any sort of burn at all.

[Starcrest]

oo

[Big D]

Well, if it was just that small blast, then it probably wouldn't burn him, since the flame was only orange. If you've ever put a candle out with your fingers, its the same concept, he touched the coolest of the flame, and it was only for a breif second, so it wouldn't leave any sort of burn at all.Exactly. It was a pretty strong surge of fire, but not too hot and very brief. His jacket can be seen sparking for a few moments afterward, but since his body caught the majority of the blast, he didn't get burned. 'Course, in real life he'd have been left with a lot of singed hairs, but this is Final Fantasy and everyone has perfect hair all the time.And the other, before Seifer slashes Squall, I saw a lil explosion by Seifer's gun tip, and I was wondering if he had shot a shot at Squall?Yep, he fired all right... you can even see the empty cartridge falling out of the chamber. But he fired early, so the shot missed and went above Squall's head. Seifer, even though he's dangerously violent, wouldn't blow his own buddy's brains out. However, if he had fired just a moment later, things would've turned out very different...

[DocFrance]

However, if he had fired just a moment later, things would've turned out very different...
It would have been a much shorter game...

[Starcrest]

lol 2 first part BigD, and for second part, i guess so, but, if he didn't wanna blow his brains out, then y'd he fire in the first place?

[§håd0w]

Why would he cut Squall's forehead? Same thing... He doesn't take training seriously, for he has a huge ego.

[Starcrest]

yeah, but he can control how much of the blade hit Squall, i guess he just wanted to give him a reminder that he's still like...ya no, da shit, and he fired bcause he felt threatened by Squall or something, but got nervous and fired to early i guess

[Big D]

Seifer is very skilled, he knew he was going to injure Squall. It'd take a great deal of skill and control to aim a blade so well that it causes a deep cut without hitting the bone. Basically, if he didn't aim his swing just right, he'd have split Squall's head open.
I'd say he wanted to draw blood, to have a 'genuine' victory; firing his weapon was probably a part of that - a sign that "I could kill you, I'm more powerful, I'm the better fighter".

[Starcrest]

yeah

[Rusty]

I'm going to go watch the opening FMV again and see if I can see the empty cartridge falling out of the chamber.

[Cloudane]

I think this is a classic case of "people trying to read too much into one of the first FMVs created for the game before it was even completed"

Seen that a lot recently :)

IMO, there was no burn mark because Square didn't think of it.

[Jolts]

People in the world of Final Fantasy seem to have built up an immunity to the extra effects of fire, ice, water, lightning/thunder, etc...
I've used Fire, Fira (Fire2), and Firaga (Fire3) on many enemies, but none of them seem to get burned, just damaged :lol:. The scars on Squall and Seifer are the only permanent effects of Final Fantasy attacks that I know of right now :D.

Oh, and I thought yellow fire was the weakest, then orange, then red; all the way up to purple or something.

[Starcrest]

White's the hottest, and those r main characters, so of course they show battle damage, but like in normal fights, it wont show it on someone who'll die in like a few turns

[Iceglow]

magic fire blast maybe it's very hot and sure it feels like it's burning the flesh of your chest but in actual fact the pain the heat all of it is psychological it therefore makes sense that the "illusionary flames" dissapated with the embers on squalls clothes but Squall was never really going to be burnt by it. As for Seifer shooting early and scarring Squall I am going to say it is because of the intense rivalry between them ever since they were kids (although they really only remember the time after joining Garden but still they hated each other bitterly) therefore by actually moving to cut Squall he shows superiority yet Squall has never accepted the fact that Seifer may be superior or his equal in skill retaliates by giving Seifer the opposite direction scar as if to say "yeah you can take me down but remember I'm always going to get up to kick you in the ass" sorta thing.

[Bydnelg T3h_kup0Z0rZ]

Squall is wearing leather, so the flame may have just hit that. Also, has anyone noticed that Squall seems to miss Seifer when slashing at his face? I know he hits him, but why doesn't Seifer end up in the infirmary?

[Ouch!]

He probably did and just got out before Squall did. Either way, it's not that important.

[§håd0w]

He probably did, but Squall was the one who fell unconsious. So we never know how long after training Squall wakes up.

And I don't think Squall missed, that was probabaly just a wierd camera angle.

EDIT: Dammit... Zaphier beat me to it.

[Big D]

Seifer's injury may have been less severe, more superficial than Squall's. After all, Squall was already wounded when he struck back.
Seifer probably just got a couple of Curagas cast on himself then went along his merry way... whereas Squall's wound might've needed a combination of magic and physical treatment.
I'm pretty sure there was some curative magic involved, since both characters are unbandaged within hours of getting cut, and neither of their injuries re-opens during the stress of battle that same evening.

[Starcrest]

Good and interesting point BigD

[Jolts]

If you pay attention, you'll notice Seifer backs up before getting cut. As for Squall, he took it head on, didn't flinch or anything. Had a surprised look on his face, but he didn't flinch.

[Rusty]

Yea but you dont get to see his full reaction either because as soon as squall scars seifer the next part of the fmv comes on...

[§håd0w]

If you pay attention, you'll notice Seifer backs up before getting cut. As for Squall, he took it head on, didn't flinch or anything. Had a surprised look on his face, but he didn't flinch.


Like a deer in headlights

[Starcrest]

I guess u could say that

[Iceglow]

I guess it would seem fitting after all Seifer for all the great warrior he is doesnt want to die. whereas the hero Squall seems to have the self preservation of a Lemming. Which is more prominent once Rinoa gets involved but it strikes me that his hatred for Seifer and resouloution not to back down would cause the same effects on him as Rinoa in space.

[Laguna]

Heh heh- it wouldnt be much of a game if Squall got incinerated in the first three minutes would it? The other 3 discs would be really quite awful!

I think the fire is just used to add tension to the fight, plus it shows what a cheat Seifer is (who blinds a man and then tries to take his face off!? Where's the dignity in that?) It also shows the rivalry between Squall and Seifer in a cool way- its better than watching them grumble and stare at each other from across the classroom.

The real question is did Seifer take Squall's lunch-money after the fight?

[Angel Wing]

Well... the reason he didn't get a burn mark is because it's Final Fantasy. When you are attacked, you don't get hurt physically, instead, it hurts your Spr and HP.

[§håd0w]

Then explain Squall's scar, and how he mentions "My forehead hurts," at the beginning.

Smax0r!!! :p

[The Wandering Zero]

Green is the hottest flame, then blue, then white, then yellow, then orange, then red.

Purple flames are just hotter blues.

[§håd0w]

Green is the hottest flame

Purple flames are just hotter blues.


I was pretty sure those came only from chemical reactions. Other than in Chemistry, I have never seen a green or purple flame. Who knows, I may be wrong. But in all my years as a pyro, I've never seen purple or green other than in a chemical reaction. :confused:

[Iceglow]

burn a black bin bag full of addidas trainer boxes sometimes the flames are green its not guaranteed though.

[§håd0w]

Lol, I could also just throw something like Copper Nitrate into it, and it burns green.

[Iceglow]

True but still when you've worked in a trainer shop it's more fun to burn the merchandise :D

[§håd0w]

Haha, I'll keep that in mind.

[Sefie1999AD]

Well... the reason he didn't get a burn mark is because it's Final Fantasy. When you are attacked, you don't get hurt physically, instead, it hurts your Spr and HP.

Does that explain it why Edea's Ice Strike through Squall's heart didn't leave him any physical injuries?

I find it weird how Squall has so much trouble fighting Seifer in the intro FMV. In every battle you fight against him, Seifer is a total cakewalk, and Squall defeats him easily.

[Starcrest]

Because you have two other ppl wailing on him as well

[Iceglow]

*sets about hacking the game* right I will attempt to make Seifer level 100 with all the abilities he could have had if he were in my party factor is another 100,000 HP and then set him up in a one on one battle with Squall alone Muahahahaahaha! now my pretties let us see what happens!! :D

[Starcrest]

...........

[Iceglow]

umm well so far he's level 100 with 100,000 HP and I tried it he ownzed me...even when I performed Lionheart on him flawlessly. Ok seriously forget the abilities and the GF I was gonna add in it's impossible. (took the code for the first battle with him in gabaldia garden and played with the values and then killed the others off before fighting him I got owned and yeah now I think I wont save the changes in code.