Swear rule

[Shadow Nexus]

http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=45412

OK, I see this topic.

I still fail to understand why bad words are censored. Well, I have been banned for a week from EoEo forums for saying skipping the evil censorip system by puting ? instead of "s" or "v" instead of "u", so I guess I have the right to ask exactly what is wrong. OK, so The Evil F-Word That Is a Rude Version For Sexual Intercourse may not be well sounding, but it serves well from some prupouse, and after all, who does not swear?

So there, I make this fornicating topic. Probably I also do it because I can't sleep, copulation! Excrementish insomnia.

So well, exactly, why is that on the rules? It's not that I wish to annoy anyone, it's that I simply fail to understand it. Of course, once I got banned from a forum for posting a Velázquez painting of a naked Venus...can I ask if that is against the rules? Actually...where are the rules written? O_o

[Big D]

The rules (http://forums.eyesonff.com/faq.php?faq=vb_board_usage#faq_eoff_rules) are in the FAQ (http://forums.eyesonff.com/faq.php?). "No swearing" is a rule we've had for a long time; in general, a bit of harmless profanity may be overlooked, if it's considered appropriate in the particular circumstance. However, swearing is considered by many to be unpleasant and distasteful; it can easily lead to some serious flaming, which is something else we don't want. There are usually better, more meaningful ways to express yourself than by swearing several times in the one sentence. The more offensive a particular word is, the less likely it'll be that you're permitted to use it. Now, a lot of people do swear frequently in real life, and that's entirely up to them. However, that doesn't automatically mean it should be fine to do so here. The EoFF rules are in place to make an environment that's comfortable and hospitable for the members as a whole. Everyone can be expected to be bound by the rules, whether they like them or not. Afte all, I suspect that a heck of a lot of people here have massive pr0n collections, however I've never seen anyone protest against the "no pr0n" rule. Only the "no swearing" rule gets targetted...
Actually, we've been treating swearing quite lightly in recent months. People have got away with a lot more than they would in the past. However, it's just got worse and worse, with pointless and blatant profanity appearing all over the place.

As for nude paintings... that's a different matter. The "no pornography" rule is strict and will be enforced without mercy. However, each matter is still looked at on a case-by-case basis. If you post a painting in order to discuss its artistic merits, then that'd usually be fine. However, if you posted a nude Venus painting in a thread called "omg hot!!!11!!1" or something (basically, if you're intended to present the picture as pornography rather than art), it'll cause trouble. If you're unsure, then the best approach is to PM a mod or admin with a description of what you want to post and why. They'll tell you if it's acceptable or not.

[Del Murder]

I wouldn't say a nude painting is pornographic if the topic is dealt with maturely, though that itself is asking a lot.

No swearing makes this place look much cleaner and makes people look much more intelligent. What we usually say is that if it's too hard for you to not type out certain words then there are plenty of other places on the internet that will allow you to do so.

[Kirobaito]

Yeah, I have no problem with swearing, in fact, I have a bit of a potty mouth myself, but EoEO ain't the place to have it. I've noticed that it's perfectly okay using 'damn', as I use it myself quite a bit, but anything other than that, I suggest keep away from. About the reason behind the swearing, there are many younger members of EoFF that may have a problem with swearing, so it's best to limit it as much as possible.

[Yamaneko]

It's against the rules to use certain swear words. That's pretty simple to understand, I think.

[Shlup]

If we don't allow swearing why allow a Venus nude? If we DID allow swearing why not allow porn?

Its all a matter of where we've chosen to draw the line. You have discovered that line, now please respect it while you're here.

[Agent Proto]

So the line is that most minor swear words are acceptable, to a limit, but when it comes to the f-word, anything that comes close to the actual spelling, is purely off-limit.

[Loony BoB]

This is the best way to look at it: Don't swear. If someone gets away with the odd swear word, so be it. They can consider themselves lucky. We might have allowed it for something such as a story in the writer's corner, or else we just figured that it was okay for this one time - we have the power to decide on that kind of stuff.

But if you want a line as to when it is allowed and when it isn't, there isn't a line, or if there is it's very hazy. The only way to be sure that you won't get punished is to not swear at all.

Personally, I would only swear in a poem/story in the Writer's Corner, and obviously I wouldn't do it excessively there, either - just in such a way as to show what kind of characters I have in a story.

If you really feel the need to swear, PM a mod/admin showing what you would post and ask if they think it's okay or not. Be prepared for a "no" and don't argue with the decision.

[Peegee]

All 'swear words' has a 'non swear word' synonym or euphemism. Therefore it's utterly and thoroughly unnecessary to swear. Even if you wished to use an expletive to 'enhance' a sentence, you should be smart enough to phrase it so it has a similar connotation.

Incidentally I can write rather insulting things without swearing or even using idioms or slurs. Those are also not allowed in these fora I think. So it's not just swearing and explicit content.

[Shadow Nexus]

No, no, I know swearing ends with punishment blah, blah, blah, I know it is a rule. It is not hard to understand, I am not THAT stupid. I am not asking why I must follow the rule, I am asking why is it there.

OK, you talk about puting a good climate and stuff, and that there are better words to express something. To the good climate, I don't feel swearing creates anything bad, at least not in a forum, I guess that it's not for the parliment or to speak with the boss, but this is not a company or anything like that, it is a forum. Is someone actually bothered by bad words? Seriously! Is any of you offended by reading The Fatal F-word? Don't you all say it from time to time? I don't think it is creating a bad climate. In fact, I believe the fact my words are being censored by where-do-babies-come-from-ing :love: emoticons creates a worst climate, I feel as if being treated like a child or something.

The words for expressing something. OK, I could use different words, I can understand, but I cannot express it the same way. Swearing gives a certain emphasis on the expression, even if it is not elegant. Holy unpleasant-substance-found-when-you-don't-flush-the-toilet! It's a Final Fantasy forum. In fact, in Final Fantasy VIII, Squall uses the F-word and the S-word :rolleyes2 Well, at least in the Spanish translation.


Afte all, I suspect that a heck of a lot of people here have massive pr0n collections, however I've never seen anyone protest against the "no pr0n" rule. Only the "no swearing" rule gets targetted...

I think we can all understand the porn rule. Why do you call it pr0n anyway? Just asking, it's not an "I-want-to-offend" question. It's that I haven't seen you using weird internet languages before, just wondered why you do it with that particular word. What? Let me be curious ¬¬


So I still fail to see the reason. I could if someone was actually ofended by bad words, but I don't know anyone. And if someone is, please tell me why. Don't we all live surrounded by sewaring? It's as if someone from Tahiti gets offended by seeing a woman's breasts!

[Shlup]

To the good climate, I don't feel swearing creates anything badThats fine for you, but you'll find that a lot of people feel differently. Why do we feel this way? Well... why do you feel the way you do? Because that's the way things are and if the no-swearing rule is so easy to understand then we shouldn't have to have everyone post and explain why we do or don't like swearing.

[Shadow Nexus]

Thats fine for you, but you'll find that a lot of people feel differently. Why do we feel this way? Well... why do you feel the way you do? Because that's the way things are and if the no-swearing rule is so easy to understand then we shouldn't have to have everyone post and explain why we do or don't like swearing.

...

So there is a rule but you can't explain why?

[Yamaneko]

There's this guy called Sean. He created a MB called Eyes on Final Fantasy. He didn't want people swearing so it was made against the rules to swear. The end.

[Shlup]

Because the person who pays for this site set up standards for his message board and the rest of the staff are here to be sure those standards are maintained.

EDIT: I knew I should've banned you when I had the chance, Yams... :irked:

[Shadow Nexus]

I knew I should've banned you when I had the chance, Yams... :irked:

If you want me to shut up, tell me. I saw a message on the forum by Unne telling me that if I did not like the language rule, I should adress that issue here. And that is what I am doing, after all I have been banned because of that. OK, it's a ban for a week, not a big deal, specially since I am on exams week and I wasn't going to post that much. Still, if I really bother you that much, I can end the discussion and simply accept the rule without questioning it, I don't want problems with the mods anyway. I'm bad enough as I am.

I also look very cute with my mouth shut.

[Shlup]

I said Yams. You're not Yams. :meatwad:

[Mikztsu]

Lolz @ that. :laugh:

*won't take part in swearíng rule discussions anymore*

[Shadow Nexus]

Uh, I thought yams was some kind of expression. Like saying "Duh", or something like that, but in Annoyance Style.

Am I making myself clear or am I making an ass of myself? O_o

[Del Murder]

'accept the rule without questioning it'

That's probably the best way to go. Don't worry, there's been no problems here as far as I can tell. It's not wrong to want to know why the rules are there, just don't get your hopes up for a detailed answer.

[Mikztsu]

I agree with pretty much all you've said Shadow Nexus, but I also understand why it's not allowed. =) Don't care either.

[Shadow Nexus]

'accept the rule without questioning it'

That's probably the best way to go. Don't worry, there's been no problems here as far as I can tell. It's not wrong to want to know why the rules are there, just don't get your hopes up for a detailed answer.

Uh...the concept of not questioning rules is something that never appealed to me, then again, it's not a big deal of a rule anyway. If I had a real problem with any rule, I'd be so annoying you'd have to ban me.

Um...plus, I can't accept a rule I don't understand. So let me change the idea: I'll follow the rule, but not accept it.

[Dr Unne]

The rules are made according to our whims. We limit sig pics to a certain size. Why? Huge sig pics annoy us. Same with profanity. It annoys us. I don't see that we need any reason other than that. I can assure you that it does annoy myself in particular, in case you continue to doubt that there exists someone in the world who dislikes profanity.

[Shadow Nexus]

I can assure you that it does annoy myself in particular, in case you continue to doubt that there exists someone in the world who dislikes profanity.

And can I ask why? I'm curious.

[Peegee]

Because it's pointless and silly. Since my philosophy is 'hypocrisy whenever possible', I'll give an example: I swear on occasion but whenever I hear others swear it just sounds wrong, so I don't like to hear people swear.

=D

[Loony BoB]

Is someone actually bothered by bad words?
Yes.

Is any of you offended by reading The Fatal F-word?
Yes.

Don't you all say it from time to time?
No.

I feel as if being treated like a child or something.
You are a child. :D We all are.

Holy unpleasant-substance-found-when-you-don't-flush-the-toilet!
You can say crap so long as it's said in a non-offensive manner such as "holy crap."

It's a Final Fantasy forum. In fact, in Final Fantasy VIII, Squall uses the F-word and the S-word
Cloud dresses up as a whore and threatens a wealthy pimp. He also kills people with a sword. We do not endorse doing either of these things. Well, you can try the first if you really want, but I wouldn't if I were you.

Well, at least in the Spanish translation.
I don't recall it being said in the English translation, and these are English forums. :)

I think we can all understand the porn rule. Why do you call it pr0n anyway? Just asking, it's not an "I-want-to-offend" question. It's that I haven't seen you using weird internet languages before, just wondered why you do it with that particular word. What? Let me be curious ¬¬
Porn is short for pornography.

So I still fail to see the reason.
If you can't understand the reason, there's nothing more we can do. We've explained it, you can't understand it. I guess your level of thoughts, ethics and/or morals are different... but we can't help that, and we made this rule based on the thoughts, ethics and morals of the people in the seats of power. We can do that kinda stuff whenever we like, and we made this rule and we personally find it to be what is best for EoFF. It breeds a welcoming and friendly environment. If you want to swear at FF forums, go to other FF forums and do it there. Maybe make your own? I don't know. But we have used this method and it works very well for us. :)

I could if someone was actually ofended by bad words, but I don't know anyone.
I can name a few people off the top of my head, and they've already posted in this thread. Oh, and I don't mind swearing - but I understand why they do. It's just an offensive word, plain and simple.

Don't we all live surrounded by sewaring?
We also live in a world surrounded by death, disease, pornography, organised crime, war and terrorism. We do not encourage any of this.

It's as if someone from Tahiti gets offended by seeing a woman's breasts!
But we aren't in Tahiti. If this was a site specifically for people in Tahiti, we would probably allow pictures of breasts to be shown. If this was a site about, say, Eamon or Eminem, I am sure that swearing would be tolerated (and a lot of it, too). But swearing isn't in the English version of Final Fantasy (from my recollection) and we are not a PG site, we are an open site for anyone who wishes to join and speak with other people who like Final Fantasy. This is regardless of their age. You will notice that Disney movies don't have swear words. Why not? Because there are a lot of children who watch them, and it isn't needed. The same goes for this website. There are a lot of children who visit this site, alongside other people who don't like swearing, and swearing is not needed. We can only gain from disallowing swearing, and gain we do.

If you still don't understand after all of this, then I am sorry, but I don't think you'll ever understand the rule, and you'll just have to accept this and go along with it.

[Shadow Nexus]

Cloud dresses up as a whore and threatens a wealthy pimp. He also kills people with a sword. We do not endorse doing either of these things. Well, you can try the first if you really want, but I wouldn't if I were you.

Uh...no, my point is that bad words are read in FF, not that I do it cause Squall does it. I'm not that stupid. Of course, if it wasn't in the English translation, then I guess the Spaniard who translated just puts cursing to the Spanish people can feel identificated, or something.


Porn is short for pornography.

Yeah, but not pr0n. I was just wondering why "pr0n". It's like when people say "W00t" or "sex00rZ". I never understood why.


You are a child.
Well, I have a Samurai Pizza Cat avatar.


We also live in a world surrounded by death, disease, pornography, organised crime, war and terrorism. We do not encourage any of this.
Uh...I mean something normal people do. And you do not encourage death? :D OK, I shut up now :b


Because there are a lot of children who watch them, and it isn't needed. The same goes for this website. There are a lot of children who visit this site
OK, I can't say anything against that. I had no idea children visited the site.

I can't bnelieve I'm making this topic anyway, it's not like I swear that much. Well, not when I am writing, when speaking I am kinda...bad mouthed.

By the way, I was wondering if I could say Ashitaka or Shitan Uzuky, or...um...speak in German by saying a German work like... asar:love::love::love::love:en. OK; I doubt that word exists.

*clicks on "submit reply" and waits to see a Xenogears name censored*

[Peegee]

we are not a PG site

I would sue you if you were.

In fact, in Final Fantasy VIII, Squall uses the F-word and the S-word

When does he say Funk?

[Shadow Nexus]

When does he say Funk?

When Rinoa is lost in space and he must rescue her. I think. Also when Seifer is bothering him with I don't remember what, he says "Man, don't :love::love::love::love: me!". I think thats the two, I am not sure though. And he says shit when Irvine can't shoot Edea, he says someting like "IS he going to shit his pants or something?".

Well, that in the Spanish version.

[Peegee]

Well then my argument is that you can swear in the spanish version of EoFF

[eestlinc]

merde!

I am opposed to censorship, but whatever

[Shlup]

Spanish version of EoFF it is, because there is no swearing in English Final Fantasy games that isn't censored beyond recognition.

I'm sorry these rules are difficult for you to understand, but you may just have to deal with it.

[Peegee]

You're welcomed to say the J and T words though :D

[Shlup]

"Jew" and "titty"?

[Rainecloud]

Regardless of whether or not certain members of this board are mature enough to handle profanity, there will always be children here who shouldn't be exposed to such material. No matter how mature the population of EoFF is, you'll always get the one idiot who abuses the entire system and swears 'till Kingdom come.

And for those two simple reasons, I'm against swearing.

[The Man]

Spanish version of EoFF it is, because there is no swearing in English Final Fantasy games that isn't censored beyond recognition.
Actually, Barret quite visibly says "Shi't!" when Cloud returns to the group after meeting Aeris the first time.

[Shadow Nexus]

Ah. Why is Barret's expression a spoiler?

[The Man]

It isn't, I just wasn't sure whether it would be appropriate to print it without the spoiler tag.

[RSL]

I think the word "shit" shows up in the ending of ff7 as well. But that's about the extent of major swearing in the FF series.

[Peegee]

"Jew" and "titty"?

Jeff and Trout :mad:

[Baloki]

So your complaining because you got a cool little custom title as well as your own one?

I take great offence my dear sir...

[Big D]

I say "pr0n" out of sheer inane amusement. No real point, I just do 'cause something in me finds it funny, compared to "porn" which is less entertaining and has negative connotations. Or something.

No-one needs to agree with the rules or accept them, merely follow them or expect consequences. It's good that this thread exists so that the matter can be discussed, though.

If someone's posting material that's against the rules, whether it's unsuitable imagery, or a "Revive the flower girl" thread, or unnecessary obsce language, it'll get dealt with as appropriate. No-one's getting 'treated like a child', they're just getting the same treatment that others do in similar circumstances.

[Loony BoB]

"pr0n" is like "n00b" - people on the internet say that stuff for the sake of saying it wrong. However, pr0n did start off with a reason - porn got filtered out in some places so they started using pr0n as a way to bypass filters.

[Peegee]

*revives the pr0n thread*

I suggest we replace the censor smilie :love: with this: <img src="http://forums.eyesonff.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8732" title="pls" />

[Kirobaito]

I actually suggest we replace :love: with :banme .

[Raistlin]

This was a far more entertaining read than I expected.

Actually, the swear filter wasn't introduced until Sean needed money to help host this place(I don't blame him) and got sponsers, which wanted filters. So, because the swear filters helped keep this place paid for, I, for one, didn't argue about it.

Yes, I believe swear filters are stupid and pointless. No, I would never have on one my MB. But ya know what? This isn't my MB. It's Sean's, and has been since it was made. And he chose to have a swear filter. *shrugs*

Really, it stopped annoying me once I realized that trying to get around the swear filter REALLY pisses the mods off. *nods sagely* ;)

[Leeza]

Um...the swear filter was in place long before Sean got sponsors, Raistlin. It was just removed for a little while, and then it came back.

[RSL]

I got in trouble for swearing on the ezboard. So it's been a policy for quite awhile.

[Raistlin]

Yeah, for the f-word. That was about it, though you and Unne tried mightily. The swear filter didn't start cracking down until the sponsors.

EDIT: Red Sexy, you got in trouble because you cussed out so many things with so many bad words that you made SEAN give you a warning. That was pretty bad, dude. :P

[RSL]

Where did I go wrong...

[Leeza]

The swear filter <b>is</b> only for the f-word and yes it was a given that it was needed for the sponsors, but profanity was always <i>cracked</i> down on. I do like that Ban Me sign though because it is so appropriate. :)

EDIT: RSL?! You used to cuss?!

[Raistlin]

Yeah, like a freakin' sailor at the original EzBoard. Sean actually had to warn him about it(setting a bad example as a mod and all). If you could see some of his own posts, you wouldn't recognize it as RSL.

Good times. :D

[RSL]

Too bad the ezboard got deleted...

Anyway, um.. swearing is bad. Winners don't use drugs.

[Citizen Bleys]

I got in trouble for swearing on the ezboard. So it's been a policy for quite awhile.

That was hilarious :)