In regards to the latest announcement

[Erdrick Holmes]

I think that post deletion by the thread makers should be enabled. The reason why I think so is because if a use makes a thread and it eventually gets to spammy or messed up then eventually a Knight or an admin will come by and close it as it is his/her duty. But I think that if the thread maker notices the thread is spammy or otherwised not fitting, therefore if the user thinks it's going bad then he'she can delete it and save the staff trouble.

This is at least what I think.

[Yamaneko]

If the thread is deleted we don't have proof anything happened. Like it or not, we are the ones who decide whether a thread is too spammy or not.

I can't speak for the rest of the guys, but I don't mind closing threads. :p

[Dr Unne]

If we wanted regular members to moderate themselves, we wouldn't have moderators. People were deleting way too many threads, often for no good reason.

[TheAbominatrix]

I propose that after every announcement staff makes an 'Obligatory Announcement Complaint' thread, to save time.

[eestlinc]

what if you make a thread ang just completely screw it up and decide you wish you hadn't even posted it before anyone else sees it. Is there a way to make it so members can delete their own thread as long as noone else has posted in it yet? Can RM's delete their own thread?

[Yamaneko]

Think before you post something.

[eestlinc]

well ok, whatever. Sometimes it happens though. Maybe you make a thread and then realize another thread was already made on the same topic. Maybe you didn't see it before. We have a lot of threads and this can happen.

[Yamaneko]

You can PM a knight or admin. I don't mind deleting a thread for a good reason, like the ones you've mentioned. The reason why deleting threads was disabled was because the bad reasons were greatly outweighing the good reasons.

[Erdrick Holmes]

Yeah, and when a thread is closed it pretty much leaves an ugly scar on the forums, if you think about it.

[TheAbominatrix]

I'd rather have to PM staff if I mess up than have threads deleted when they dont go the thread starter's way. If it was possible to delete only if there werent any replies, that'd be nice. Otherwise, I prefer this.

[crono_logical]

Yeah, and when a thread is closed it pretty much leaves an ugly scar on the forums, if you think about it.It's uglier when threads are deleted, because Staff can see (and undelete) such threads, and they fit even less than closed threads with the layout scheme :p Same with individual posts too, come to think of it.

[Dr Unne]

In case no one happened to read what I said: People were deleting threads for bad reasons. Like "All the replies to my thread are stupid. *deletes*". Or "I'm done with this thread, and clearly no one else at the MB deserves to see any thread I'm done with myself, so *deletes*", and I had to un-delete them myself. And it was annoying.

Closed threads show people that if you do something, your thread will be closed. As opposed to people doing the same things over and over again. I maintain the perhaps foolish belief that people learn.

I propose that after every announcement staff makes an 'Obligatory Announcement Complaint' thread, to save time.

But then people would make threads to complain about our policy of making threads in which to complain. And then my brain would implode.

[Shlup]

People kept deleting their stuff just because they could and it was pissing me off, and you don't like me when I'm pissed off. :frylock:

[eestlinc]

i agree. i think RMs should get the deleting ability, though. We can't look dumb :)

[Erdrick Holmes]

And to keep me from digging up embarrsiung dirt, eest!!! Yeah, I'm lookin' at you.

[eestlinc]

all my great threads of old have been pruned, like the salsa vs cucumbers thread

[Citizen Bleys]

But then people would make threads to complain about our policy of making threads in which to complain. And then my brain would implode.


I'm failing to see a down side here...

[Flying Mullet]

Considering I've deleted one or two threads of mine since I've been here I don't see how this can be a big issue. Are there people here that make bad threads on a regular basis and delete them before anyone notices the thread?


People kept deleting their stuff just because they could and it was pissing me off, and you don't like me when I'm pissed off. :frylock:

And are those angry french fries?

[Peegee]

We should totally just delete all the threads in a random forum just for fun. I'll start the PM paperworks immediately

[Zell's Fists of Fury]

And are those angry french fries?

It's FRYLOCK, you uncultured swine.

[Burtsplurt]

what if you make a thread ang just completely screw it up and decide you wish you hadn't even posted it before anyone else sees it. Is there a way to make it so members can delete their own thread as long as noone else has posted in it yet? Can RM's delete their own thread?

That happens a lot to me. I must have messed up at least, er, 3 in my time. But as that constitutes about half of the threads I've ever made, it's significant.

If I mess up in future, I'll just change my thread so that it asks about favourite yoghurt colour or something. That should please everyone in World Events.

[Flying Mullet]

It's FRYLOCK, you uncultured swine.
Looks like angry french fries to me.

[Psychotic]

How about: Nobody ever make any threads again, then they can't mess them up? I think that's problem solved. When do I get a payrise?

[ZeZipster]

Psychotic's idea is good. But in general it is flawed, because people would still be able to post in other threads. I think we should just close the interweb and be done with all this hoo-ha.

[Shlup]

Considering I've deleted one or two threads of mine since I've been here I don't see how this can be a big issue.That's exactly why it is an issue. If a thread was a bad idea then you shouldn't be making it in the first place. We don't like seeing a bunch of deleted threads because people 'changed their minds' or thought better of it after the fact.

[Flying Mullet]

That's exactly why it is an issue. If a thread was a bad idea then you shouldn't be making it in the first place. We don't like seeing a bunch of deleted threads because people 'changed their minds' or thought better of it after the fact.
I agree that we shouldn't be able to delete our own threads.

I meant that as in a little over a year I've deleted only one or two threads of mine I don't see why people are complaining about the deletion being revoked as it is hardly an issue as it never comes up unless you are lazy and create threads without thinking about it. I have no problem with PM'ing a mod if something like this happens as it is so rare.

[Shlup]

Alright, I thought you'd done it twice recently and didn't think it was an issue because it made you happy or something.

[Flying Mullet]

No, I did it once about four months ago and again nine month ago (I guess, I didn't pay that much attention).

Heh, I think there must be something in the air today because I've already confused BoB a couple of times in the staff threads with the way I've worded things.

Basically it's similar to when an ordinace where I grew up was passed that when a kid was busted for grafitti their parent(s) had to help them clean it up. And guess who complained, only the parents who didn't look after their kids.

I feel the same way about deleting your own threads. If you're paying attention and creating them like/when you should, this shouldn't be an issue. It just forces people to put a little more thought into their threads. I don't see how that can be bad.

[Loony BoB]

Heh, I think there must be something in the air today because I've already confused BoB a couple of times in the staff threads with the way I've worded things.
Either that or I was just being a prick. :D

[Flying Mullet]

You? Never...

[Loony BoB]

Hmm... you're probably right. I'm far too innocent, kind and polite.

[Citizen Bleys]

Did you just say that with a straight face?

[Loony BoB]

When I look at you I feel a little bit less innocent. *blushes*

[Del Murder]

I lean towards the eest side on this issue, but I don't feel too strongly about it. It's not a big deal to pm someone to delete/close it.

The 0 posts idea is an interesting thought.

[The Man]

I always intend to write a hack for that, but have never gotten around for it.

We don't allow people to delete their own threads on FG, so draw your own conclusions. It's abused far too often, I think.

[Loony BoB]

I'm with Unne on this one for the most part. Rare thing, I've noticed, so we must be right.
:monster:

[Citizen Bleys]

When I look at you I feel a little bit less innocent. *blushes*

Have I told you to perish like the worm you truly are lately?

[Yamaneko]

You tell that to everyone.

[Loony BoB]

:cry: *has sympathy snuggles with Bleys*

[The Man]

:monster:
I just felt like using this smilie, sorry. :monster:

[RSL]

Another reason to be against thread deletion:

The other day I had to un-delete a thread that the person deleted after he and another member had been going at each other's throats for a few posts. This will prevent people from doing something like that and then trying to cover it up.

[Flying Mullet]

Thats right. If thread deletion wasn't allowed in the past we would know who shot JFK and if aliens ever landed at Area 51 near Roswell.

Cover-ups are bad people, mmmkay.

[crono_logical]

:monster:

[Baloki]

Thats right. If thread deletion wasn't allowed in the past we would know who shot JFK and if aliens ever landed at Area 51 near Roswell.

Cover-ups are bad people, mmmkay.

yES. bAD......

jUST OUT OF INTEREST HAVE i EVER DELETED A THREAD?

[eestlinc]

why don't staff just give warnings to people who abuse the thread deletion priviledge? I suppose that would be more effort than just a blanket ban.

[Loony BoB]

Damned straight.

[eestlinc]

well, that's why they pay you the big bucks.

[Baloki]

well, that's why they pay you the big bucks.

How can you spend money that big?

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[Loony BoB]

That's not a buck, nor is it five bucks. That's five quid.

[Baloki]

That's not a buck, nor is it five bucks. That's five quid.

Don't do dollars, accept the money I give you or run away crying either way :D

[Heath]

But surely a big five quid note is worth even more than a big buck, making it all the more important? Either way, I'd probably just pay them the tower next to the big five quid just to be on the safe side.

[Del Murder]

Quid spamming you guys.

[Meow]

Del Murder is sly like Yogi Berra. :aimsun:

[Psychotic]

The other day I had to un-delete a thread that the person deleted after he and another member had been going at each other's throats for a few posts. This will prevent people from doing something like that and then trying to cover it up.

:fpsore: Maybe he did it to stop the insulting? :count:

It's the best way to end such squabbles, right? :<3:

OK you caught me, I wanted to use the new smileys too :fpdet:

[blue_midget192]

ok presumably you can take away an idividuales right to delet posts? right? cus you can do it with sigs right? so, let people delte there own posts, but if they do it for stupid reasons, then you take away there right to delte ther own posts. if u just take away every one rigth to delete posts then tis not fair!

[Zell's Fists of Fury]

What? :fpcow:

[Kirobaito]

ok presumably you can take away an idividuales right to delet posts? right? cus you can do it with sigs right? so, let people delte there own posts, but if they do it for stupid reasons, then you take away there right to delte ther own posts. if u just take away every one rigth to delete posts then tis not fair!
Members can still delete their own posts. Just not their own threads.

[blue_midget192]

Members can still delete their own posts. Just not their own threads.

ok, re-read everything i just put, but replaceing the word post, with the word thread :)

[m4tt]

What? :fpcow:

[Del Murder]

He is suggesting that we allow thread deletion for normal members and create a usergroup where it is disallowed for people who abuse the priveldge, much like 'no sig for me'.

Anyway, I think that it should be either all can delete them or none can (and I think all should but I am outvoted this time). I don't think we need a new usergroup for something so trivial.

[eestlinc]

I think I should get my own usergroup.