NBA Postseason Review

[Kirobaito]

Yeah, I know the West isn't decided yet, but I'll make this thread before I go to bed.

I know the Mavs aren't going anywhere in the Playoffs. But ain't Marquis Daniels one awesome son of a gun? If the NBA fans here have seen him, admit it: this guy could be better than LeBron James. He went undrafted out of Auburn this year, and signed a 1-year free agent deal with the Mavericks. He didn't play for most of the year, but over the past 20 games or so, starting with an injury to Steve Nash, he has done incredibly. In his first career start at Point Guard, he had 14 points, 9 rebounds, and 9 assists. Since entering the starting lineup 11 games ago, he's averaged 18 points, 6 rebounds and 5 assists. He's averaged 26 points, 7 rebounds, and 6 assists over the past 4 games. This guy could be wonderful. You ask why he wasn't drafted? Don Nelson suggests it's because the way he looks - he looks lazy all the time, almost like he doesn't care about playing. But he cares. That's just the way he looks. He's also humble. Watch out for him in the playoffs, and in the free agent market next year. Alright, enough with the Marquis lovin'.

Bold means they win.

WEST
#1 Minnesota vs. #8 Denver
#2 LA Lakers vs. #7 Houston
#3 San Antonio vs. #6 Memphis
#4 Sacramento vs. #5 Dallas

EAST
#1 Indiana vs. #8 Boston
#2 New Jersey vs. #7 New York
#3 Detroit vs. #6 Bucks
#4 Miami vs. #5 Hornets

I'll do the later rounds after this round is over.

League MVP - Kevin Garnett
Defensive MVP - Ben Wallace
Sixth Man of the Year - Antawn Jamison
Most Improved Player - Carlos Boozer
Rookie of the Year - LeBron James
Coach of the Year - Rick Carlisle

I think that's all the individual awards.

1st Team:
F Kevin Garnett
F Tim Duncan
C Shaquille O'Neal
G Ray Allen
G Steve Nash

2nd Team:
F Jermaine O'Neal
F Peja Stojakovic
C Yao Ming
G Tracy McGrady
G Stephon Marbury

3rd Team:
F Dirk Nowitzki
F LeBron James
C Ben Wallace
G Michael Redd
G Jason Kidd

Nash for first team? You may be wondering why. :) Marbury's been great this year, but Nash's play lately has propelled him. Screw stats, he's a better point guard. And Kidd has missed too many games.
Honorable Mentions: Baron Davis, Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony, Corey Maggette

All Rookie 1st Team (regardless of position, mind you)
LeBron James
Carmelo Anthony
Dwyane Wade
Kirk Hinrich
Chris Bosh

All Rookie 2nd Team
Marquis Daniels
Jarvis Hayes
Udonis Haslem
Leandro Barbosa
T.J. Ford (without injury)

Players I excluded due to missing games: Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson

[Dingo Jellybean]

As far as Playoffs go, I have all Top 4 west teams advancing before San Antonio and Minnesota meet in the Conference finals, where I have San Antonio advancing.

I wouldn't be surprised with Sacramento losing. The way they limped into the post-season is pathetic...in fact, I hope Sacramento loses...they pretty much had their division wrapped up before handing it over to LA on a silver platter by losing to Golden State. In the east(like it matters), I like Indiana or Detroit.

Tim Duncan will be finals MVP once again and collect his third trophy for a franchise that deserves it.

[Flying Mullet]

I'm from Denver and all I can say is that I am rooting against Devner. I watched them play a year a go and they were a clean team. This year they play dirty and now that they are doing good everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. But at the games the crowd is rude and constantly booing and doesn't understand how basketball works. So I want Denver to lose so all of these people will jump off of the Nuggets bandwagon.

[Kirobaito]

I don't think that you rooting against them will make them lose to Minnesota. I'm pretty sure that that's all worked out by itself.

[Flying Mullet]

Very true. :)

I just like reminding people around here that the Nuggets suck. ;)

[muchacho]

i think carmelo is going to get the rookie of the year, he had just about the same numbers as lebron, but the nuggets are in the playoff, and the cavs arent.

[Kirobaito]

I once used that reasoning, muchacho, but then I realized something: if Carmelo Anthony played for the Cleveland Cavaliers, would they be in the playoffs?

[Del Murder]

The Kings have looked terrible theese past months. If they think they can win a championship with the method they're using now they're crazy. Webber obviously isn't 100% so why is he still the number 1 scoring option? Jeez, how many losses does it take before you realize Webb should be used to set up the pass to Peja or Bibby. Anyway, beating Dallas in the first round is no easy task. Any further would be a miracle, but miracles can happen. The team that torched LA a few nights ago needs to show up for at least 3 more games.

I wouldn't mind seeing Minnesota win, SA and LA are boring because they always win. The East is a joke even though Indiana would be a decent team in the West, like a 5 or 6 seed. Only 2-3 months left until we have a new champion.

At least these games between Sac and Dallas will be action packed.

[Kirobaito]

I'm sure that any problems the Kings may be having offensively will be solved soon enough. After all, they are playing the Mavericks. :)

[The Captain]

I wouldn't be too surprised if LeBron and Carmelo end up sharing the award. I believe Kidd and Grant Hill did as well in their rookie seasons. I do finally think it is official to say this: LeBron lived up to the hype and THEN some. Being left off the All-Star Team was a travesty. Granted, it was probably because the NBA wanted the Rookie-Sophmore game to have some flair, but I think LeBron is definitely going to be one of the 5 best players of the next decade.

Melo had a nice season, but I was turned off by his huddle tantrum, a la Scottie Pippin. Yes, you're a great player, but you're not a team alone. You can't pout if you don't take every shot. He'll have to learn that before he truly becomes a great player. In that same vain, Kobe is as good as gone in LA and I say, good riddance. He's another great player who still needs an attitude adjustment. Sure, you may be "sending a message" to your teammates, but in a game, you play your best, not just because you feel like it.

I'd love to see The Big Ticket, KG win a title. He's by far my favorite player in the league, and finally winning that title and showing that he's probably the second best player in the league, slimly behind Duncan, can only help the NBA.

I also predict Iverson is gone from Philly, no matter what the GM says. Perhaps Kobe and Iverson switch teams? That would be interesting, but unlikely.

I think Sloan will win coach of the year. MUCH deserving. He's definitely the most underrated coach in the NBA. For 18 years, he's led the Jazz to the playoffs and nearly did it again with at best, a farm team for the NBA. However, Hubie Brown, and Ricky C of Indiana also deserve recognition.

KG wins MVP
Ben Wallace or perhaps Theo Ratliff win Defensive Player of Year
Sixth Man: Maybe Jamison, but how about Brad Miller?
Most Improved Player: Boozer, or perhaps Zach Randolph
Rookie: LeBron and Melo
Coach: Sloan

"this guy could be better than LeBron James."

That might be a bit too much praise for the kid. Sure, he's a nice story, but he didn't put those stats up for a whole season, nor did he have to carry the team for the majority of the season. Plus, going in undrafted, he had zero hype or expectation. Daniels is a nice addition, but would you really build a team around him or LeBron? I'll admit it myself, I wasn't sold on James going into the season. I still don't think so many high schoolers going pro is a good thing. However, LeBron truly can be the next Magic Johnson. He loves to pass, and isn't all about himself, but rather attempts to actually play a team game. If he works on his jumpshot, he'll be First Team All NBA, and a potential MVP for years to come... that is, if he continues to develop. If he just gets content, then all bets are off.

Take care all.

[Flying Mullet]

Melo had a nice season, but I was turned off by his huddle tantrum, a la Scottie Pippin. Yes, you're a great player, but you're not a team alone. You can't pout if you don't take every shot. He'll have to learn that before he truly becomes a great player.
Amen! He's one of the main reasons I hate the Nuggets now. Everytime he's interviewed about a Nuggets win, it's because he helped the team or carried the team to victory. And the other night when they were playing Sacramento, he got that migraine and acted like a two-year-old. Whenever Denver was down he was rubbing his eyes and hanging his head, but whenever Denver was iup and scoring, he was bouncing around and giving high-fives. That and he throws a temper-tamtrum everytime he gets a foul. He definitely is the definition of a martyr and a prima-donna.

[Dingo Jellybean]

I wouldn't be too surprised if LeBron and Carmelo end up sharing the award. I believe Kidd and Grant Hill did as well in their rookie seasons. I do finally think it is official to say this: LeBron lived up to the hype and THEN some. Being left off the All-Star Team was a travesty. Granted, it was probably because the NBA wanted the Rookie-Sophmore game to have some flair, but I think LeBron is definitely going to be one of the 5 best players of the next decade.



To be honest, those 2 are a bit overated. Look at their FG%, 41%. That's pretty pathetic really. Anyone can put 20 a night if they jack up enough shots. 90% of the teams in the NBA don't play zone anyways...imagine if they did. Michael Jordan had an above 50% FG% before joing with the Wizards. Only centers and power forwards should have precentages that big. So yeah...Carmelo should get it...but I can see why they were left off the All-Star team. They should work on their jump shots before they can make the All-STar game.

[Strider]

Wait, wait, wait. . . when did Miami make the playoffs as a 4-seed? Aren't they supposed to suck?

[Kirobaito]

I said that Daniels could be as good as LeBron. Not that he is. And Brad Miller started the first 3/4 of the season. He can't be considered. Jamison has started 2 games for the Mavs.

[The Captain]

You actually did say he could be better than, but that's really besides the point. If Daniels puts those numbers up all season long, then I'd start to consider him in the same company.

As for FG%, really, certain players have no choice but to shoot. I said that LeBron must work on his jumpshot to really take that next step, but who is he going to pass to? Boozer is a grinder, Big Z is often in foul trouble. I agree if he maintains a 41% for his career, he won't get much better, but didn't Jordan's rookie year have a similar FG% if I'm not mistaken?

What's the requirements for 6th man? If Miller doesn't fit it, Jamison would be a fine choice too.

Strider - Maimi snuck up all of the sudden and began to play decent ball. However, they aren't going any further than the second round, they can't compete with Indiana, Detroit, or a healthy New Jersey. Still, a nice story.

Finally, it looks like the gap is finally closing in the NBA as Indiana actually posted the best overall record, including a very good record against Western conference teams. If they can make it to the Finals, anything is possible. Still favoring the West, but an upset is more likely than in past years.

Take care all. Games start very soon, can't wait!

[Kirobaito]

You misunderstood me. I meant that one day he could be better. Not now, of course, he only started 15 games this year. Stupid sentences that mean different things with the same syntax. :)

[The Captain]

My mistake. Hope there's no hard feelings.

I think the Mavs have a great shot at getting past the Kings by the by.

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

Oh yeah, of course I think they'll beat the Kings. Ignore the road woes; Arco Arena is the one away arena that they have found solace in. They can win there, because they can outscore the Kings.

[Dingo Jellybean]

As for FG%, really, certain players have no choice but to shoot. I said that LeBron must work on his jumpshot to really take that next step, but who is he going to pass to? Boozer is a grinder, Big Z is often in foul trouble. I agree if he maintains a 41% for his career, he won't get much better, but didn't Jordan's rookie year have a similar FG% if I'm not mistaken?

Finally, it looks like the gap is finally closing in the NBA as Indiana actually posted the best overall record, including a very good record against Western conference teams. If they can make it to the Finals, anything is possible. Still favoring the West, but an upset is more likely than in past years.

Take care all. Games start very soon, can't wait!

Jordan shot 51.5% his Rookie year. He scored 28.7ppg in his rookie year too. There probably won't be a player as talented as Michael Jordan, but there will be comparisons. Even Kobe Bryant right now is far off from Michael Jordan as a rookie. I'm not saying this because I like MJ so much, but it's the word you'll get from every scout who has watched the NBA the past 20 years.

But this year, I do see Indiana and Detroit putting up a decent fight this year against whoever wins the West. Although San Antonio won 4-2 games last year in the Finals, did anybody seriously think the Spurs were really in trouble? They dominated the 4 games they won and lost 2 close games...but that's usually expected of a team on their first trip to the Finals in a couple of years. The Bulls won 4-2 on their first and so did the Lakers a few years ago. As San Antonio gets back to the Finals, they'll find that it's a bit easier each time.

And Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich are the two most underated people in the league...nobody really talks or cares about them...but eh...I expect them to grab their 3rd title in 6 years.

[The Captain]

Hmm, my mistake. I'd also throw Jerry Sloan into the underrated category.

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

I have never seen one arena more pissed at every single call than Arco was today.

[Del Murder]

I didn't notice that. Regardless, it's the loudest arena in the NBA so I guess that's expected. Go Kings!

[muchacho]

in the end i wanna see indiana win it all, just so the east would win for once.

[Del Murder]

The first round is 7 games now? Jeez, this is going to take forever. They should get rid of the first round entirely. No 5-8 seed ever has a chance and it will get rid of those crappy sub-.500 playoff teams.

[Casey]

Go Sonics. Bret Berry and Rashard Lewis pwn. :) Am from Washington btw.

[The Captain]

Sadly, the Sonics didn't make the postseason this year, but there's always the next go around!

From the games played already:

LA looks like it will advance easily, as does San Antonio. The T-Wolves look like they'll finally get out of the first round too. The Kings and Mavs series is entertaining, but can either of these teams play defense if they advance?

On the East:
Artest is out for Game Two, which probably won't matter.. but who knows what will happen there. I still think Indy advances easily, as does Detroit, and the Nets, though this series COULD get ugly if it goes more than 5 games. The toss-up is Miami-New Orleans. I like the Heat's chances thus far, but we'll have to wait and see!

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

The Mavs-Kings series is not playoff basketball. All those priorities that you say that you need to win ANY game...it's all crap with these teams. That's what makes is the most entertaining series in the playoffs. And neither of these teams will play defense, so whoever wins the series will go out in the second round.

[The Captain]

I remember games in the late 1980's and early 90's, before the lockout, where both teams would score 100 points, yet it would still have a very defensive feel to it. Perhaps we can't have it both ways anymore?

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

The answer: more turnovers then, so there were more easy baskets. The games were played well defensively, and that led to more points. The Mavs led the league in fewest turnovers in 1987-88 with an average of 15.3. They lead the league this year at 12. That's a 6-point difference.

[The Captain]

Interesting stat. I never would have even figured that. Thanks for the info!

Take care all.

[edczxcvbnm]

As much as I love to play basketball I have trouble watching it. Instead of going after rebounds teams turn around and start running to the opposite end of the court like it has been completely decided before hand. If you dive and charge for that rebound that is an extra chance. It pisses me off just like in baseball(players not bolting through first base).

When running to first base you should run so fast that you fall over because you got ahead of yourself. If you can stop in 3 or 4 steps after getting to first base you were not running hard enough or fast enough.

I want to see LA do good because I like their colors and stuff(SHUT UP!). I don't follow sports until the end of the season anyways.

I have one question...isn't it usually true that who ever has the most free throws usually wins the game.

[Dingo Jellybean]

The thing I hate about the NBA is that David Stern has made it a priority to make the games NOT compete against each other. So that's why the season is prolonged. SA has to wait until Thursday for it's next game and it's going to get worst because after the first round, games are often days apart, and David Stern doesn't want back to back games, he wants to extend the NBA season as long as possible. It's stupid if you ask me, but eh.

As for SA and LA, LA will have a tougher time...they won their opener by 1 point at home. Things are sure to get tougher at Houston...I don't see LA sweeping Houston anyways. SA on the other hand...they should sweep the Grizzlies. Although the Spurs have won just 7 more games than Memphis...they are clearly a superior team. The average margin of victory between the first 2 games is over 20 points. In the first game they led by as many as 30 points and as many as 24 points in the 2nd game...I honestly do not see how Memphis can compete. Sure they won the season series 3-1...but they are being rolled over.

Minnesota, New Jersey, and Indiana are also rolling over their opponents...so often these first round games aren't worth watching because the weaker teams are not just slightly weaker, they are FAR weaker than the top seeds.

[Dingo Jellybean]

As much as I love to play basketball I have trouble watching it. Instead of going after rebounds teams turn around and start running to the opposite end of the court like it has been completely decided before hand. If you dive and charge for that rebound that is an extra chance. It pisses me off just like in baseball(players not bolting through first base).

When running to first base you should run so fast that you fall over because you got ahead of yourself. If you can stop in 3 or 4 steps after getting to first base you were not running hard enough or fast enough.

I want to see LA do good because I like their colors and stuff(SHUT UP!). I don't follow sports until the end of the season anyways.

I have one question...isn't it usually true that who ever has the most free throws usually wins the game.


No. The San Antonio Spurs are proof of that. In a 29 team league, the Spurs ranked 26th and 24th in FT% during their 2 recent title runs. There's this misconception that FTs are critical to a game, and while they are, but if you do a lot of things right (such as defense and rebounding) and running the clock out with the lead...a win almost always result.

[The Captain]

Well said Dingo. I'd add also that having a lot of free throws is only good if you make them. If you take 50 of them, but make only 30 or 35, that's 15-20 extra points, which is usually more than enough to swing the tide of the game.

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

I recall Game 1 of the Mavs-Spurs series last year. It was an extremely physical game, and the officiating staff noticed that, and called the fouls. The Mavs attempted 50 free throws, the Spurs 48. Pretty even, right? The Mavs made 49 of them; the Spurs 31. The Mavs won that game.

[Dingo Jellybean]

I recall Game 1 of the Mavs-Spurs series last year. It was an extremely physical game, and the officiating staff noticed that, and called the fouls. The Mavs attempted 50 free throws, the Spurs 48. Pretty even, right? The Mavs made 49 of them; the Spurs 31. The Mavs won that game.

You're only recalling ONE game. Throughout the course of a series, if you do everything else right, FTs don't make that much of a difference.

The only thing I'd imagine is how scary a team San Antonio would be if they made just an average % of their FTs.

[Kirobaito]

I have one question...isn't it usually true that who ever has the most free throws usually wins the game.

That was one game. I was giving an example of an extreme case of it.

San Antonio would be dominant if they could make an average percentage of FTs. Fortunately, not a single member of their team besides Malik Rose or possibly Ginobili actually gives an effort to get better at the line.

[Del Murder]

Go Kings! 2-0. Best series by far. Does anyone even watch the eastern conference games? Personally I'll only watch the Kings and the WC finals. Then LA or SA will win it and I'll say boring and turn to the A's game.

[Kirobaito]

Whateva. But now y'all get to come down to Texas and experience an execution the way it's supposed to be.

EDIT: THAT DAMN ADELMAN IS SO STUPID! IT'S NOWITZKI, PRONOUNCE NAVITZKI. NOT NOWITZKI.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Something a bit off topic...but Ice Cube thought Scottie Pippen was the most overated player ever in the NBA.

I think that's just bogus. Pippen could've been a superstar on any other team...and without Pippen, Chicago never would have won all those titles. If Scottie was on another team he would never have 6 titles. Then again...neither would Michael Jordan. They needed each other.

Ice Cube's music and movies suck anyways...if anyone's overated, it's him.

[Del Murder]

Whateva. But now y'all get to come down to Texas and experience an execution the way it's supposed to be.
Quite possible. Dallas and Sac are the best home teams in the NBA. We love our teams.

[Kirobaito]

There's no doubt, Del. We have the two loudest arenas in the league. No teams entertain as much as we do. :)

[Dingo Jellybean]

There's no doubt, Del. We have the two loudest arenas in the league. No teams entertain as much as we do. :)

Yet no titles between the two of you. Hmmm...

[Kirobaito]

*bans Dingo from the forums*


Yet no titles between the two of you.

Actually, this doesn't help my case, but the Rochester Royals won the NBA Championship in 1951. So it's just the Mavs that haven't won a championship. And it's been longer for Washington/Baltimore.

[Del Murder]

Actually, this doesn't help my case, but the Rochester Royals won the NBA Championship in 1951.
In your face Dingo!

I really hope a team from the Sac/Dallas/Minnesota/Denver side of the bracket wins the title.

[The Captain]

"Ice Cube's music and movies suck anyways...if anyone's overated, it's him."

Three Kings was one of the most undervalued movies of its time. He was great in that film, but otherwise, I concur.

How about Hubie Brown winning Coach of the Year?! I thought that was great, but I was also a little sad that yet again, Jerry Sloan didn't win. Is there any coach today who is more underappreciated then Sloan?

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

In your face Dingo!

I really hope a team from the Sac/Dallas/Minnesota/Denver side of the bracket wins the title.

Tch. It's Rochester's championship. Boy those old jerseys do look nice.

But yeah...I doubt most Sac fans would think of Rochester as their championship...but only can California have a team in it's state capitol.

Houston beat LA tonight...which I thought was pivotal. Why? Because Kobe's court date is the same as Game 5. If the Rockets pull 2 more out of their bag and come back to Houston for Game 6...whew...that could be dangerous for LA.

Meanwhile San Antonio just keeps winning and probably licking their chops to beat the Lakers...again. I really do hope for a SA/LA matchup because I like how LA fans boo Tim Duncan. :) They'll boo him like NY booed Jordan...gotta love it when the big cities get beaten by small markets. Tim Duncan for mayor!

[Kirobaito]

You don't understand what it means to be a real fan, Dingo. :p

IN YOUR FACE, DEL! MWAHAHA! HOW'D THAT GUILLOTINE SLICE FEEL? BIATCH! [/rant]

[Del Murder]

You didn't have to go there, man. That hurt. :cry:

[Kirobaito]

I'm glad it did. :)

Ticket to a Game: $200
Beer: $15
Watching Eddie Make She-Webb Cry: Priceless

Also, Del, you have to check this out. As if you weren't already about to kill yourself over yesterday's loss, look at this:

http://webpages.charter.net/gline/images/kinglosers.jpg

It's the work of JonG, the biggest Mav fan I know besides myself.

[Del Murder]

Lovely.

[Kirobaito]

You know it. :p

It'll be even more lovely tomorrow night.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Gregg Popovich for mayor!

[The Captain]

A blowout and a close game tonight, but now both the Pistons and Kings return home to close their respective series out. Can the Bucks and Mavs come back?

I'd enjoy watching the Pistons play the Nets in Round 2, and think it'll happen. However, with Kings-Mavs, anything can still happen.

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

Now THIS is a half of Mavs-Kings basketball. None of this defensive crap.

EDIT: And also, Brad Miller deserves a serious ass-whoopin'. He's deserved so many technicals for his elbows and cheap play. Like when Daniels smothered that shot, Miller just shoved him. No tech called. That's crap.

EDIT 2: My god, somebody called an offensive foul on Webber, for shoving off to get off his hook. He's done it 4 times this game.

EDIT 3: Also start calling Miller's illegal screens. And this whole shot clock mess is crap. Jamison never had possesion.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Now THIS is a half of Mavs-Kings basketball. None of this defensive crap.

EDIT: And also, Brad Miller deserves a serious ass-whoopin'. He's deserved so many technicals for his elbows and cheap play. Like when Daniels smothered that shot, Miller just shoved him. No tech called. That's crap.

EDIT 2: My god, somebody called an offensive foul on Webber, for shoving off to get off his hook. He's done it 4 times this game.

Here we go again.

[Kirobaito]

Dingo, are you watching the damn game?

Also, I'm not saying the officiating is bad - I'm just pointing out the things they are missing. If you saw the whole shot clock mess, you'd understand.

And the Mavs are up by 7. I'm not complaining.

EDIT: TOTAL BULL. Miller set another illegal screen, and then Christie elbowed Nash in the head and scored a bucket, and Nash was called for a foul. TOTAL BULL.

Don't say anything Dingo, because you're not watching the game.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Dingo, are you watching the damn game?

Also, I'm not saying the officiating is bad - I'm just pointing out the things they are missing. If you saw the whole shot clock mess, you'd understand.

And the Mavs are up by 7. I'm not complaining.

EDIT: TOTAL BULL. Miller set another illegal screen, and then Christie elbowed Nash in the head and scored a bucket, and Nash was called for a foul. TOTAL BULL.

Yes, I'm watching the damn game on NBA TV. You just have to quit running your damn mouth every time a call doesn't go your team's way. The Dallas Mavericks aren't exactly a squeaky clean team and neither is Sacramento a dirty team. You do this all the time. I just wish you learn to be more mature and accept the fact that Dallas isn't as good as you think.

[Kirobaito]

You can't say that that was a good call. I'm a FAN. F.A.N. This is what we do. Learn to accept that.

And the Kings aren't a dirty team, I know that. Miller may be a dirty player (you saw the useless shoving after Daniels capped his shot), but the team isn't.

And the Refs actually thought that it was a good call, too. They ended up calling a technical, like they thought they got that right.

[Dingo Jellybean]

You can't say that that was a good call. I'm a FAN. F.A.N. This is what we do. Learn to accept that.

And the Kings aren't a dirty team, I know that. Miller may be a dirty player (you saw the useless shoving after Daniels capped his shot), but the team isn't.

And the Refs actually thought that it was a good call, too. They ended up calling a technical, like they thought they got that right.

There's a difference between a fan and an idiot. Fans know their team well enough and their expectations and they don't think everything should go their way. You're a little in between an idiot and a fan. I just thank heavens you aren't refereeing the game. Because we know who would get the calls.

[Kirobaito]

I know my team. I know that they don't play good defense. I know officials don't get every call right.

And I'm a sports official, Dingo. It's what I do for a living. I know what a good and bad call is. This game is full of the latter, both ways.

And Webber was not touched on that drive.

Christie palmed the ball. I could see it from Texas. It led to a three-pointer.

[Dingo Jellybean]

I know my team. I know that they don't play good defense. I know officials don't get every call right.

And I'm a sports official, Dingo. It's what I do for a living. I know what a good and bad call is. This game is full of the latter, both ways.

And Webber was not touched on that drive.

You're not in an NBA game. The referees in the game all have had at least 10 years experience, more than half of your existance. The NBA game is much tougher to call because players are faster, bigger, and stronger. It's much different than calling a middle school game full of 5 feet tall basketball players.

[Kirobaito]

So Christie didn't palm the ball 3 feet from the official?

So Webber was "hit on the arm", 3 feet from the official?

Never mind about the palming, the officials had a make-up call. They passed over a Dirk travel.

And Webber shoved off to get that rebound. It's the fact that I'm seeing all these things, and the officials don't see one. And they're all obvious.

Very good. Webber traveled. They called it.

[Dingo Jellybean]

So Christie didn't palm the ball 3 feet from the official?

So Webber was "hit on the arm", 3 feet from the official?

Never mind about the palming, the officials had a make-up call. They passed over a Dirk travel.

What are you talking about? Palming is allowed in the NBA. That's why Allen Iverson has so many crossovers. You just can't HOLD the ball. Holding is anything longer than 2 seconds. These officials are doing a laid back job in this game...if the calls were against Dallas like you claimed, they wouldn't score 96 points through 3 quarters.

[Kirobaito]

This is the Mavs-Kings. There is no defense played. There IS no defense in this game.

AND MILLER JUST SHOVED HIM AGAIN! SHOVED JAMISON AFTER THE PLAY! CALL A FREAKIN' TECH ALREADY!

And don't say 'Grow up' or anything like that. Has Miller or has Miller not shoved players for no reason.

[Dingo Jellybean]

This is the Mavs-Kings. There is no defense played. There IS no defense in this game.

AND MILLER JUST SHOVED HIM AGAIN! SHOVED JAMISON AFTER THE PLAY! CALL A FREAKIN' TECH ALREADY!

Of course there's defense, otherwise the score would be 160-158...but there's just so little of it. If fouls were called, the game would be slowed down because players want to protect themselves from being ejected and they usually tend to be less aggressive offensively which leads to less aggressive defense, in most cases. You've watched enough of the NBA game to know that...or at least you SHOULD know that.

As for the tech...it's not like it was a hard shove. Otherwise Jamison would've swung at him. Pushes like this happen quite often in the NBA game, calling them would be frugal. I remembered early in the game Finley shoved Christie a bit...but the officials didn't call that.

[Kirobaito]

Jamison has never swung at anyone in his life. He's a hard-working, humble Christian. And with Daniels it was a hard shove. And they missed a travel on Webber. He changed his pivot foot again. Atleast they called it on Christie.

And don't be a smartass about the "defense" played.

EDIT: Even if the Kings end up winning this game, the Mavs would have still averaged more points than them in the series. Weird. :p

Oh well. Still a close series though. You can't deny that. So what if it was 4-1? The Mavericks were 3 shots away from winning the series. They just came up short.

[Del Murder]

This is why I don't doctor pitcures to make Nash look like Quasimodo or something. It always comes beack to bite you in the butt. :D

I said this last year and I'll say it again, the Kings and the Lakers are forever linked. When one advances, the other does. Last year I was upset when the Lakers lost to SA because I knew it was the end for the Kings (yeah they lost Webber in that series, but I wasn't too concerned. Sac is the only good team that is still a good team without their star player, proven this year). Sacramento will not win an NBA championship without getting revenge on Los Angeles. So go Kings (and Lakers :mad: )! And Denver too, might as well make it a little easier on them.

Watch the flames of calling people idiots, guys.

[The Captain]

Anyone else looking forward to Pistons - Nets second round? That has the potential to be VERY interesting, even if neither team makes it to the finals.

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Like I said earlier...whoever wins in this SA-LA matchup will win the title. I just can't fathom anyone else winning it. Minnesota has a decent shot, and I think Detroit and Indiana stand a better chance than Sacramento. Giving up that many points always seems to spell doom for the team.

[Kirobaito]

This is why I don't doctor pitcures to make Nash look like Quasimodo or something. It always comes beack to bite you in the butt. :D

Watch the flames of calling people idiots, guys.

Nash doesn't look like Quasimodo. But Bibby does look like Mini-Me. (you can't deny it...)

And I would just like to point out that I never called Dingo an idiot. I called him a smartass. :p

[Del Murder]

But you have to admit that Nash is one ugly sumbitch. Not to knock his ability, he's a great player. He's just no Rick Fox (in his earlier days).

Sacramento can beat Minnesota. Can Sacramento beat the other two? Yes. Just like Houston could have beaten LA, like Dallas could have beaten Sac, but not like the Bucs could have beaten Detroit. That just wasn't going to happen. There is still a chance for the Kings! They have enough talent to get it done.

[Kirobaito]

You'd be amazed at how many girls like Steve Nash, and are obsessed with him.

[The Captain]

I dunno Del. Their defense isn't as good as it was a few years ago when they lost in 7 to LA. If they could regain THAT defense, then I'd say they have more than a shooter's chance.

In about 2 minutes, it'll be official: Minnesota has finally advanced to round 2! KG is the MVP hands down this season. Duncan is always great, but Garnett raised his game to a whole new level this season. Good for him!

Take care all.

[Del Murder]

I want the winner of the Minnesota-Sac series to win the title. That'll be a good series. I doubt the Kings will even try to contain KG. They will probably focus more on the other two, kind of how they let Nowitski do what he wanted in games 1&2 while keeping Finley and Nash quiet. Makes some sense, since you'll get burned trying to figure Garnett out.

[The Captain]

Spurs beat the Lakers today to go 1-0. I sure hope the Spurs beat LA. I'd rather have the T-wolves, or Kings win, but I'd take Spurs over Lakers anyday.

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

I'll take Spurs over Lakers, sure, anyday. I thought that was true for anyone. This is the Lakers we're talking about, right?

OMG! Shaq got called for 2 3-in-the-keys today! Holy crap!

I'd like the T-Wolves or Kings, but I know that the Kings won't.

[Dingo Jellybean]

I think me and Charles Barkley were the only people who thought the Spurs were going to win the title this year in preseason.

Personally, if they keep this team intact, the Spurs are the next great dynasty since the Bulls.

I have the Spurs winning in 5 games. So yeah...Tony Parker is just too much to handle for the Lakers. Hardly anyone can stop him, he's too fast. And Malone on Duncan is a total mismatch. Duncan had 30 pts and 11 rebs while Malone went 3-10 shooting. As much star power as the Lakers have, it's not working. Phil Jackson should learn to coach rather than just sit there and say "I'll let them get us back into the game."

Phil Jackson is one of the most overated coaches in history in any sport, but eh.

Spurs 4, Lakers 1

[The Captain]

Countdown until Kobe leaves LA.. I put it at 6 games myself. I think the Spurs take them out, and then Kobe goes elsewhere, but where will he end up?

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

I thought it was obvious. He'll sign for 15 years with the Eagle County Penetentiary Inmates.

[The Captain]

Dunno about that. If Jayson Williams can avoid jail time....

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

I like to take this opportunity to thank the Los Angeles Lakers for participating in this year's playoffs.

[The Captain]

Ahaha, yes they appear overmatched. Let's see how they play back home though before we call them dead.

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

God dammit. Stupid Lakers. I'm not sure who was luckier, Duncan or Fisher. But I would say Fisher because the Spurs had a foul to give. Ginoboli should've just fouled Fisher, game over.

Ugh. He hit a fadeaway with .4s left. What blew the game was Robert Horry. He clanked that 3 pointer near the end of the game badly. Isn't he supposedly Mr.Clutch? He looks like Mr.Clank.

It's like some supernatural force wants these big market teams to win. Ugh. It's been a bad enough week as it is...a Laker win doesn't help.

[Kirobaito]

Yeah, I think it was luck on both sides. I hate both of these teams, so I'm not saying much. As Duncan traveled in that same possession that he hit that shot, and Fisher hit that simply because of those same gods of fate, the Lakers still would have won.

[Del Murder]

Good series in the West so far. Kings blew games 2 and 3. I hope they can recover.

[Dingo Jellybean]

If the Spurs lose this series, it will be the biggest choke job in history. I don't care what anybody says. I will never be a Spurs fan ever.

With that being said, I'm rooting for the Lakers to win. Somehow I tend to curse teams that I root for. GO LAKERS!!!

[Del Murder]

Can you root for the Twolves while you're at it?

[Kirobaito]

GO LAKERS!!!

Hmmm...I wonder if Unne is up for a ban right about now...

[The Captain]

No, you misunderstand I think. He said in a previous post that if he roots for the Lakers, they seem to lose.

If the Lakers win again... I don't know what I'll do. Here's what pisses me off most of all:
"Kobe Bryant's heroics". Since he has a great game and helps lead his team to victory, he is praised for his heroic performance, yet, isn't he on trial for rape? How is going from court and possible prison sentence to playing basketball heroic? Disgusting.

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

Nah, I got what he meant. But seeing those words from a human being makes me want to kill them, no matter what the circumstances.

[Dingo Jellybean]

No, you misunderstand I think. He said in a previous post that if he roots for the Lakers, they seem to lose.

If the Lakers win again... I don't know what I'll do. Here's what pisses me off most of all:
"Kobe Bryant's heroics". Since he has a great game and helps lead his team to victory, he is praised for his heroic performance, yet, isn't he on trial for rape? How is going from court and possible prison sentence to playing basketball heroic? Disgusting.

Take care all.

Yeah. I hate the word heroics used in sports, but I know what they mean. They mean the mental and physical toll it takes on someone to concentrate and do so well at it. But this isn't rocket science, so let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here. If he's on court and then aces a rocket science exam, okay...he deserves that...but this is basketball. A game that is mostly subsconscious more than conscious.

So yeah...if Kobe can be a hero for rape, I think I can be a god for a massacre.

[The Captain]

Point taken, my apologies. Still can't believe that shot happened, reminds me of the Knicks run to the Finals a few years ago.

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Gawd dammit. Why the :love::love::love::love: is LA always winning these things? Ugh.

Robert Horry has become a liability. He misses every 3 he takes. So much for Mr.Clutch. More like Mr.Clank.

Now no one will beat LA. Stupid Lakers. I hope someone bombs the Staples center or something.

[Kirobaito]

Maybe Robert Horry was paid by the Lakers to miss those shots.

[Dingo Jellybean]

That's the biggest choke job ever. I don't care what happened in game 5. If the Spurs only made an average percentage of their FTs, they'd be unbeatable.

I mean of course this team isn't like last year's team, who had the always dangerous Steve Kerr. Not to mention the defense of David Robinson and the shooting of Stephen Jackson. With that being said, San Antonio SHOULD WIN THE TITLE NEXT YEAR.

So yeah, damn Kobe and his small-hands-jacking-up-30 shots a night to get 20. Not to mention Shaq...well, I can at least respect him. Karl Malone is a bit overated...and don't get me started on GP.

[The Captain]

I'm still holding out hope that someone will take them down.

Take care all.

[Del Murder]

LA was 2-6 combined against the Kings and Wolves this year so anything can happen. At least the Lakers winning means the Kings will win, since they're linked.

[Cid]

I hope the Kings win. Either way, LA is a different team in the playoffs, as is proof in defeating the best team in the NBA (San Antonio). Yes, IMO they are the best. This should be interesting.

[RSL]

Man, I hope the T'Wolves take them down, hard. (Assuming they get by the Kings, of course.)

[Cid]

*bans RSL*

Go Lakers. Place your bets.

[Yamaneko]

I hope it's a SA - LA Western's Finals series. Only because Southern California needs to reaffirm its superiority over Northern California.

An Indiana - LA Final would be interesting, I think.

[The Captain]

If the Kings find their defense of a few years ago, I give them a shot, but I actually think the T-wolves would be a better series against the Lakers.

Nets-Pacers should be a good Eastern Finals as well.

Hmm, not sure what to make of the Garnett-Peeler incident, but Peeler DID take a shot at the head.

Take care all.

[Del Murder]

Garnett did start the roughhousing, but a shot above the shoulders does deserve a heavier punishment. Hopefully Peeler won't be suspended for game 7. Then again, Buford did a good job filling end. They still have a good chance.

[Kirobaito]

Actually, at the other end of the court, before Garnett elbowed Peeler, Peeler elbowed Garnett in the crotch. That's why he was down to begin with.

[Yamaneko]

What Garnett did is seen in any playoff game. Peeler took it too far.

I thought Bibby did a great job. The Lakers had trouble with him two years ago.

EDIT: KB, I didn't know that.

[Kirobaito]

That's what it appeared in a replay, at least. Garnett is a hothead, but he's not THAT much of a hothead, unless he had a good reason for it. Before Garnett went down, Peeler did something involving his arm and Garnett's waist area. The way Garnett went down, it was either a grabbing or an elbowing of the crotch, most likely the latter, because of the way Garnett responded.

[Del Murder]

I did not know it was in the crotch. That's a little bit more sensitive. Game 7 should be a good contest.

[RSL]

I want the Timberwolves to win, since they are pretty much the local team around here, but I'll gladly cheer for whoever ends up winning it to beat the Lakers.

[Dingo Jellybean]

The elbow was on Garnett's stomach. Either way, Peeler shouldn't have retaliated...thankfully for Minny they won't lose Garnett. These incidents happen too often, where the star player is often targetted by a small role player.

But I hope Minnesota wins. They have a better chance of beating LA...and no way Malone can guard Garnett. He's too athletic and quick.

[Kirobaito]

Yeah, okay, I was close by saying the crotch. But it was still a stupid, cowardly act by Peeler. Just another tactic by Sacto to steal a victory away from the better team.

EDIT: And also, could a Knight change the name of this thread to "NBA Postseason Review?

[The Captain]

Kenny Smith noticed on Inside The NBA that Peeler had been hit by Wally S, and then Garnett began to guard him, so it seemed Peeler meant to hit Wally, but hit Garnett instead. Interesting.

Take care all.

[Del Murder]

Maybe if Peeler gets suspended the Kings will play Bobby Jackson and he will become the Game 7 hero!

[Kirobaito]

Nah. I say Chris Webber goes 1-for-81 from the field, and scores 1 point in Game 7. They take one of his points away because he whined that he was fouled during it.

[RSL]

Okay. Now that Minnesota has wrapped it up, I'm taking them over the Lakers in 5.

[The Captain]

Wow, what a game 7!

Two words: Kevin Garnett. That was a performance for the ages.

He deserves better than to play the Lakers Friday night.

Take care all.

[RSL]

He pretty much single handedly won that game for the Wolves tonight. Hopefully he'll put up that kind of effort against the Lakers.

edit: And man, that last shot by Webber.. wow. So close. When he shot it I thought his foot was on the line so I wasn't even worried. But after seeing a replay, I have no idea why I thought that. In and out. So close.

[The Captain]

I hope he does, but the problem is:

Cassell is very hurt, and they NEED him to have any chance. I love Garnett to death, but him versus Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton is quite a tall order.

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

I had to switch pants after watching the end of that game. In fact just thinking about it...*runs to bathroom*

That was incredible. I say that us (meaning RSL, The Captain, Dingo Jellybean, Myself, and Del, perhaps) all change our avatars and sigs to Minny/anti-Laker ones during the Conference Finals. Just to upset Yams. Perhaps. It's just an idea.

[The Captain]

Hmm... an interesting thought. Though, I have a sneaking fear that if we start flaunting our T-Wolves love, they'll go down very quickly...

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Kevin Garnett averages like 18.5 rebounds against the Kings anyways. They have no answer for him. The Lakers should win this series, because once they got past San Antonio, I knew it was just over for them. As much as I want Minnesota to win, they don't have a prayer.

[Del Murder]

The Wolves now become the underdogs. I hope they win because the Lakers winning has been done too many times. Or, maybe, that other conference can produce a winner! Nah. Either way I've lost interest now that the Kings are out. The NBA isn't as exciting without a team to root for. They put up a good fight without home court and just came up one basket short. Not a bad way to go down, but this was a team that was built to win now. My Bay Area teams always let me down in the playoffs. :(

[The Captain]

Do you think Webber and/or Adelman are done in Sacto?

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Do you think Webber and/or Adelman are done in Sacto?

Take care all.

Not only will Sacramento re-alter it's entire team, so will Dallas and LA. So next year it'll just be a 2 team struggle for supremacy in Minnesota and San Antonio, that's not just in the western conference, but in the league. I still don't see how Indiana or Detroit can handle either western power.

LA will probably lose it's 5 hall of famers except Shaq, Sac will look to trade for defensive players and probably trade Bobby Jackson, Doug Christie, and Vlade might retire. Dallas will probably bolt Antoine Walker somewhere, and pick up a few defensive guys...but their big 3 of Nash, Finley, and Nowitski are definitely in for the long haul.

So if some of you don't like dynasties, you're in for a long year next year.

[RSL]

Man I hate the Lakers.

[Del Murder]

I don't see the Kings dismantling the team they have, but I don't really pay attention to the inside stuff. I hope they don't, I like their starting 5 +Jackson. Miller I'm not as fond of.

Vlade said he wants to work out a deal and stay with the Kings until he retires. He doesn't play much but I think they need his leadership presense.

[Kirobaito]

Yeah, but his cigarette smoking habits could spread to the other teammates if he sticks around.

...

...what?

[The Captain]

I think Vlade should retire and become an assistant coach for the Kings. Seriously. He'd be able to give all the advice, not have to worry about having his body give out on him during the long season and it would free up some salary cap. Despite the flops, he IS one of the finest leaders the NBA has in the locker room hands down.

Question for you Del, and all Kings fans should be, where was Peja? Bibby played all right, but not his best. Webber I think, either needs to seriously work out this summer, or add something to his game because he's no longer going to be a power player that he once was.


As for the current series, it's over unless Cassell is healthy, bottom line. Garnett can get the T-Wolves a win or two, but without another proven option, it's an almost impossible task. Like was said after the game, Garnett has to play 6 games in a row like he played Game 7 versus Sacto to give the Wolves any chance. I love Garnett, and know he's going to win a title soon, but alas, I don't think this is his year.

San Antonio will definitely be back. Duncan won't have another series like the one he just had. Shaq will be a year older, I don't see Payton returning to LA, Malone might retire if he gets his ring, and Bryant... who knows where he is going.

Dallas, is in a tough position because as great as the Big 3 are, I don't see how much better they can get, and they need to take it up to the next level to have a shot at the title.

Who knows what next year will look like. Two teams I'm high on now for next season are Memphis, and Houston if they trade Steve Francis. If Cassell returns healthy next year, Minnesota is also a very legit title contender, if Garnett stays hungry, which I truly believe he will.

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

It'll be funny to see Kobe go to Orlando and see his stock plumet as a marketing tool. But no way LA will win next year.

I think next year San Antonio will pretty much take the title with ease. I honestly cannot foresee anyone else winning the title. Tony Parker WILL be an all-star next year, and he'll actually put together a good series rather than a good 2 games.

[Del Murder]

I think next year San Antonio will pretty much take the title with ease. I honestly cannot foresee anyone else winning the title.

I think next year Dallas will pretty much take the title with ease. I honestly cannot foresee anyone else winning the title.

I think next year Sacramento will pretty much take the title with ease. I honestly cannot foresee anyone else winning the title.

[Kirobaito]

*nod* You quote us well.

[The Captain]

So that adds up to: A title in.... Seattle?

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

I think next year San Antonio will pretty much take the title with ease. I honestly cannot foresee anyone else winning the title.

I think next year Dallas will pretty much take the title with ease. I honestly cannot foresee anyone else winning the title.

I think next year Sacramento will pretty much take the title with ease. I honestly cannot foresee anyone else winning the title.

Yes, but remember, my view is the only one that's not biased. I'm a fan of the Wizards.

[RSL]

Yes, but remember, my view is the only one that's not biased. I'm a fan of the Wizards.

The Wizards have fans?

[Kirobaito]

Good one, RSL. I've been wanting to pull that one on him for months now.

[RSL]

This isn't good. Cassell played less than a minute before leaving the game and going to the locker room.

[Yamaneko]

Go Lakers!

[Dingo Jellybean]

Go Lakers!

Hmmm...I do need to test out my car to see if it works on speed bumps approximately 1 ft. in height.

[RSL]

So far, so good. The Wolves better keep this up, because they HAVE to win this game.

[Kirobaito]

Best half the T-Wolves could have played. Let's hope Malone gets his 4th early in the third. Martin's done a great job for Cassell.

And just a piece of info: Oliver Miller graduated from my High School!

[RSL]

Ahahaha. Shaq just airballed a free throw.

[Kirobaito]

Always fun to see that. In the second game of the season this year, Clifford Robinson of the Warriors airballed a technical free throw.

[RSL]

Sucks to be him.

Garnet hit a three at the end of the third. Damn, the lakers got within 7, but the wolves quickly put up five. 12 point lead... I hope it's enough.

edit: Karl Malone ejected. This is all but over, folks. OOh, technical on Phil Jackson!

edit again: guess no T on jackson. Weird.

[Kirobaito]

Best part is, it's a Flagrant 2. That generally warrants a suspension. I'm looking at NBA.com, so what'd he do to Martin? Probably ate the little guy...

BUT THAT'S AWESOME. NO MALONE FOR GAMES 3 AND 4, POSSIBLY. GO TWOLVES!

[RSL]

He basically took him down.

Wooo! Series tied 1-1. I just hope the Wolves can steal a win in L.A.

[The Captain]

Without Malone, Garnett will be free to dominate like he should. This entire series just changed.

Take care all.

[RSL]

Was Malone suspended? Everything I've read has indicated that it's doubtful that he will be.

[The Captain]

Hmm, you're right. I thought I heard he'd garnered a suspension, but apparently not yet. However, he will be under serious scrutiny and you can bet the house and all the cards that if any other incident occurs, the players involved wll definitely get suspended.

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Man is the Eastern Conference Finals boring. It's been a defensive battle, which is great, and none of the teams I like are playing, so it's pretty boring. As for the West Finals, I was hoping it would be more competitive than this...Kobe didn't score in the first half and Payton cooled off and hack-a-Shaq worked...yet the T-Wolves didn't capitalize on it. It's almost as if some higher power is making the Lakers win...but eh...I doubt I'll watch an NBA game for the rest of the year.

[Kirobaito]

...

...

Dammit.

[The Captain]

All I can say is, Kevin Garnett played like the MVP he is, but he just can't win when he has to play all 5 positions against a Laker squad with 4 great players at various positions.

Hopefully, when the Lakers win, which does seem inevitable, Kobe will go elsewhere, prison/Memphis?; Payton will be gone, Malone will be gone, and Jackson might retire. Then, we'll have a more balanced group of teams.

Great playoffs KG, your time will come.

Take care all.

[Yamaneko]

Kobe's staying, Fisher's staying. Malone and Payton probably will go/retire.

[The Captain]

I wonder what might happen if Kobe does go to prison? Will the Lakers terminate his contract?

Take care all.

[RSL]

I hate the lakers.

[Yamaneko]

Go Lakers!

[Del Murder]

Go Indiana/Detroit!

[The Captain]

Unknown Star: Richard Hamilton, the only player to score 20 or more points every game in the Conference Finals. He's going to need to double that if the Pistons stand any chance.

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

At least the Pistons have size and defense against the Lakers.

As much as the Lakers have 4 hall of famers, it's been the same way it's always been for LA: Shaq and Kobe. The bench for LA has been much more productive than either Malone or Payton combined.

I see LA winning in 6, but the only way the Pistons will win is if the series goes to 7.

[Kirobaito]

I think my opinion on the matter is obvious enough. *cough* sig and avatar *cough*

[Dingo Jellybean]

I think my opinion on the matter is obvious enough. *cough* sig and avatar *cough*

I turned off signatures and avatars.

[Kirobaito]

That's your own damn fault, then.

[edczxcvbnm]

Go Lakers. Crush those other m:love::love::love::love:er :love:ers!

[RSL]

Go Lions! Er.. I mean Pistons!

[eestlinc]

I'll actually be in Detroit on the day of Game 3. I'll go buy a Ben Wallace jersey and root for the Pistons at Hockeytown or something.

[Denmark]

Go Pistons!

reasons:

a. I hate the Lakers
b. I dislike the Lakers
c. I don't like the Lakers
d. Pistons are my favorite Eastern Conference Team because of insane defense
e. We need a championship to come back to the East! There hasn't been one since, what, 1998?

[The Captain]

Can it BE????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, they did it!

The Pistons have taken game one!

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Yeah, I love that Pistons defense.

If you were to take a poll of who's a better coach, Phil Jackson or Larry Brown, I guarantee you most people familiar with basketball(AKA none of those Laker/Bulls fanboys) that Larry Brown would come out as a better coach.

Though I don't see Detroit keeping this up, this is definitely a better team Larry has coached than that 76ers team in 2001.

[eestlinc]

I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson is one of the most innovative and significant coaches in the history of the NBA. He has a <i>few</i> more rings than Larry Brown too.


That said, go Pistons.

[Kirobaito]

When it comes to being more knowledgeable about basketball, and a better basketball coach, I think Larry Brown is the better coach.

[Dingo Jellybean]

I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson is one of the most innovative and significant coaches in the history of the NBA. He has a <i>few</i> more rings than Larry Brown too.


That said, go Pistons.

That's what happens when you have Jordan/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe.

[Kirobaito]

Who should be my sig after the Pistons win game 2?

[muchacho]

ben wallace

[Yamaneko]

:cry:

[RSL]

Down with the Lakers!

[The Captain]

One thing that always irks me about the Lakers, Mr. Bryant especially, is that he NEVER, EVER gives any credit to the other team. I suppose you can call it Champion Arrogance?

When asked why the Pistons D was so effective, he responds: "We just haven't figured them out yet."

When asked if Tayshaun Prince's length had bothered his shooting: "He's a role player, though no where near Fish. (Derek Fisher)."

When asked if the Pistons really have a shot: "We really didn't try hard enough."

Is it me, or is he a bit TOO laid back? This is the Finals, not the Regular Season, or even early rounds. Sure the Lakers looked out of it early in other series's thus far, but can they really keep coming back?

Take care all.

[Strider]

Who should be my sig after the Pistons win game 2?Tayshaun Prince, with the picture of his rejection of Reggie Miller's layup.

[eestlinc]

Well, one of the reasons Phil Jackson had Jordan/Pippen and now Shaq/Kobe is that these star players flock to play under him. Convincing the superstars to play for you and maximizing their potential is not easy.

[Kirobaito]

ben wallace
I had that up until the end of Game 1.


Tayshaun Prince, with the picture of his rejection of Reggie Miller's layup.
I'll see if I can find it.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Well, one of the reasons Phil Jackson had Jordan/Pippen and now Shaq/Kobe is that these star players flock to play under him. Convincing the superstars to play for you and maximizing their potential is not easy.

You have to remember that Phil Jackson took over for Pippen/Jordan when they just began at the peak of their careers.

Jordan flourished under Doug Collins, averaging over 37ppg in one season, but Pippen didn't come onto the Bulls roster until a year before Phil Jackson took over. If Doug Collins still would have coached the Bulls, it's pretty much a given he would've had 6 titles himself.

As for Shaq/Kobe, it's the same situation. Jackson doesn't build, he just takes over. No other team in the league has two superstars. If you put Phil Jackson in Golden State, he'll end up with the same record as Eric Musselman ended up with.

I'm not saying Phil Jackson is a bad coach, he's a good coach...just not a great one. The smartest guys aren't always CEOs of companies, and the best coaches don't have 9 titles...they are opportunists, and that's what Phil Jackson is.

[The Captain]

I must say, Detroit is making this a heckuva series! Here's hoping they keep it up for 2 and a half more minutes...

EDIT: Well, getting a split in LA is good enough for now. However, Detroit has to keep playing hard and with a chip on their shoulder.

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

I must say, Detroit is making this a heckuva series! Here's hoping they keep it up for 2 and a half more minutes...

EDIT: Well, getting a split in LA is good enough for now. However, Detroit has to keep playing hard and with a chip on their shoulder.

Take care all.

You ask anyone in the chatroom, I told them that LA would win the game...I just felt it. Seriously. As much as I hate it, I knew they would win.

I just wish Boston was good again, I mean they're like 8-2 against the Lakers in the Finals.

[The Captain]

I think Doc Rivers is a good choice for the Celts, he just got a terrible break in Orlando. They have a shot, they're in the East. A good draft and perhaps a trade or two and they can be in contention again.

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

You ask anyone in the chatroom, I told them that LA would win the game...I just felt it. Seriously. As much as I hate it, I knew they would win.
And not a single one of us doubted you, did we? :p

This is a good chance to tell all of you to start coming to #eoff, please, it gets quite tiring talking to the likes of Dingo and Strider all day. ^_^ PLEASE.

[muchacho]

im watching game 3 right now, and man hamiltons the man. nba finals MVP should go to him.

[The Captain]

Lakers below 70 points for first time ever in the postseason. Do you believe?

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

w00t! I like my new sig. :)

[Dingo Jellybean]

Yeah, that's what the Lakers get.

Detroit SHOULD be up 3-0, but thanks to Lady Luck, they're only up 2-1.

[The Captain]

If I'm the Lakers, I'm seriously considering relacing Payton with Luke Walton, as "The Glove" has worn out and is being completely outplayed by Billups.

If the Pistons can win Game 4, they'll win the series, otherwise, it's still very dicey.

Take care all.

[Yamaneko]

2-2 tonight, baby!

[Kirobaito]

*points and laughs*

[Dingo Jellybean]

If I'm the Lakers, I'm seriously considering relacing Payton with Luke Walton, as "The Glove" has worn out and is being completely outplayed by Billups.

If the Pistons can win Game 4, they'll win the series, otherwise, it's still very dicey.

Take care all.

If I were the Pistons, I would hope that is true. Luke Walton is 6'8" and barely has small forward skills, much less point guard skills.

[RSL]

3 games to 1! One more game and this thing is over!

I just wish it could have been the timberwolves, but this'll do.

[The Captain]

Oh Heck yeah! 88 to 80, Pistons win, TTTHHHHEEEE Pistons WIN!!

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

In commemeration of tonight, I would like to unveil my newest signature, Rasheed Wallace! See how many different phrases you can find.

I think Tom Tolbert and Doc Rivers said it best with "Detroit is a better basketball team."

Normally defense is boring basketball, but this series has been wonderful. Tuesday will be a night to remember.

EDIT: That intro was one of the coolest I've seen. Mason is so much better than that drunk that does the Lakers' introductions.

[Dingo Jellybean]

My foot is a little sore from kicking all the Laker fans off the bandwagon.

With that being said, I would like to thank the Los Angeles Clippers for participating in this year's playoffs.

[Kirobaito]

^ One of the greatest posts ever ^

GO PISTONS

[Yamaneko]

SHUT UP! I HATE YOU ALL! :( :cry:

It's not over till the fat lady sings. The Lakers will be the first to come back from 1-3.

[Kirobaito]

I see you hate us all enough to make your sig bigger. Two can play that game.

[edczxcvbnm]

<b><Center><font style="font-size:100pt"> GO </font>
<font style="font-size:150pt"> LAKERS </font></center></b>

[Strider]

Defense! *footstompfootstomp* Defense! *footstompfootstomp*

Go Pistons.

[Yamaneko]

<b><Center><font style="font-size:100pt"> GO </font>
<font style="font-size:150pt"> LAKERS </font></center></b>
:love:

[The Captain]

Yes, Go Lakers, go back to LA for the offseason in disgrace.

The only player on that team I can even remotely sypathize with is Malone because he attempted to be a teammate to the rest of the squad, whilst every other "Star" seems to be playing one against five.

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

I don't have sympathy for any of those Laker players. Shaq's never been a great sportsman, Malone has always been a dirty player, Payton just whines too much, and Kobe thinks he's MJ.

As for the rest of the Lakers...let me just say this: If you have Rick Fox asking to be in the starting lineup, you know you're team is bad.

[Yamaneko]

Yet Shaq is the only one doing anything worthwhile on the team.

I hate the Pistons because they play boring basketball. They score very few points, even in light of the horrid Lakers' defense.

[Kirobaito]

I used to feel that way, Yams, that defensive basketball is boring, but with the Pistons, it's not. The Spurs...hell yes. They are boring. But it must be the fact that the Pistons are completely obliterating your precious Lakers that is making this quite enjoyable for me. :)

[RSL]

Yeah, it's hard to call kicking the Laker's ass boring basketball.

[Yamaneko]

It is when all you do is clog up the lane with a bunch of players and hope that Kobe isn't doing well and will miss most of his shots. Shaq on the other hand could not be stopped.

[Kirobaito]

And the team didn't get him the ball. Their fault? Yeah. The Lakers this year are not a team meant to win a championship, because they are stupid. They care more about themselves than about the team.

It's amazing how Kobe has not yet admitted that Tayshaun Prince is playing him well. Give the shrimp some credit. I guarantee that he's the main reason Kobe is shooting 31% in the series. :)

[Dingo Jellybean]

It always bothered me that people who accused defensive games as boring always had teams that lacked defense.

I remember when people called the Ravens boring, mainly those complaints came from Rams, Vikings, and Titans fans...offensive oriented teams that played no defense whatsoever.

So yeah, if the Lakers played defense and were defense oriented, I GUARANTEE none of these Laker bandwagon fans would ever call their teams boring.

[Yamaneko]

Bandwagon fans? I've been a Lakers fan since the last days of "good" Magic and of Van Exel and Divac.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Bandwagon fans? I've been a Lakers fan since the last days of "good" Magic and of Van Exel and Divac.

I never accused you of being a bandwagon fan.

But I know you wouldn't say the Lakers were boring if they were completely defense oriented like Detroit.

Often people never give underdogs credit. You can make a case for a 1 game series, but a 7 game series? Detroit is clearly the better team, boring or not.

[RSL]

I almost always cheer for the underdog. I love underdogs. Heck, I love all dogs. Especially cute little ones. My parents have a little dog that's about a foot long (like a hot dog! Ha ha.. ha.. sorry) and it's so cute.

Go Pistons!

[eestlinc]

detroit has obviously taken the approach of runnign around the entire game, regardless of score, just to wear the Lakers down. It obviosuly works since the Pistons have dominated in the fourth qaurter whereas the Lakers have faltered.

[Kirobaito]

As much as I love Aretha Franklin, you'd think she'd atleast not fake the national anthem.

[RSL]

Yeah, I noticed that they didn't leave the camera on her much after the first few lines.

10 point lead late in the 2nd! This is going well so far.

[The Captain]

No Malone, so that's one less person to body up the Wallaces, which seems almost like waving the white flag by Phil Jackson. As a sign had it, "The Lakers don't need Coach Phil, they need Dr. Phil!"

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

You know that you're ridiculously bad defensively when you hear assistant coaches muttering, "We gotta stop that Ben Wallace fellow." :p

One quarter left. I daresay we shouldn't begin the party yet, but we're well on our way to it.

[RSL]

23 point lead going into the 4th quarter!

If the Pistons blow this, I'm going to eat my socks.

[The Captain]

The only question left, who is the playoff MVP? My vote goes to Rip Hamilton, who can be the second coming of Reggie Miller if he gets a little more range.

Take care all.

[Kirobaito]

Everybody go ahead and get your slices of the cake I made. Sorry, Yams, you're not allowed.

Edit:
Game 1 MVP: Chauncey Billups
Game 2 MVP: Chauncey Billups
Game 3 MVP: Rip Hamilton
Game 4 MVP: Rasheed Wallace
Game 5 MVP: Ben Wallace

This is by far the hardest vote. I'm gonna have to go with Chauncey Billups, though.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Chaunce might get the MVP vote.

But this will be the first 5 game sweep in NBA finals history.

[Kirobaito]

http://img64.photobucket.com/albums/v194/kingbahamut/cake.jpg

Everybody get their slice.

[playaGAW]

Pistons have won the title. The experts said they couldn't do it but they did. They blew out a dynasty. Hell yeah!! As you can tell I'm happy being from Detroit. Who did you think would win the finals and whayt did you think now looking back. I said the Pistons in 6 they did it in 5. Time 4 me to get CRUNK!! YEAH!!

[Kirobaito]

We're already celebrating in our other thread.

<img src=http://img64.photobucket.com/albums/v194/kingbahamut/cake.jpg>

Grab a slice!

[The Captain]

I think this could have been the first time ever TEAM MVP, but Billups deserved it. Though, I'd also say Ben Wallace deserved so much credit because his defense is what set the tone for the team.

Congrats to Detriot, and to Larry Brown, the first coach ever to win the NCAA and NBA Basketball title.

Is there a better exec in the business than Joe Dumars right now? Perhaps Jerry West, but right now, Joe D is DA Man!

Also, I will officially state that this is the end of the Lakers run as they currently appear. Shaq will be back, but who else?

Take care all.

[RSL]

I'm so happy!

[Yamaneko]

:cry:

Ah, well.

I'd put Go Dodgers! as my sig now, but I don't much care for baseball. So until the NFL pre season at least and my Go Raiders! sig.

[playaGAW]

I kind of think Tashaun Prince deserved MVP for locking up Kobe and producing points. Ben Wallace also had great defense and rebounding but kept missing those open layups. I would say Rasheed Wallace but he got in too much foul trouble. Rip Hamilton had a few off nights. So yeah Tashaun. Perhaps Elden Cambell second for producing a lot every game off the bench.

[Kirobaito]

I probably would have given Tayshaun second, even though he didn't stand out in any game all-around. But he kept Kobe off-balance with his freakin' 7-foot wingspan, and perhaps could have won the series for Detroit by doing that. Ben Wallace, while a defensive nightmare for the rest of the Lakers, could simply not stop Shaq. 'Sheed had one good game, but struggled in the rest. Chauncey was the most consistent Piston, thus, he wins the MVP.

[Dingo Jellybean]

If the Detroit Pistons were in that hotel room, they would have stopped Kobe from penetrating.

[playaGAW]

If the Detroit Pistons were in that locker room, they would have stopped Kobe from penetrating.
What???

[Kirobaito]

Great joke, Dingo.

[The Captain]

Could have also said, "In That Hotel Room..." though that's a bit MORE vulgar.


EDIT: It's official, the Lakers are breaking up. Jackson is out as coach, Kobe is a free agent and now Shaq wants a trade.

Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

I was hoping Phil would stay. As soon as he sees rebuilding, he jets. That's why he's so overated as a coach. I was hoping the Lakers would go like 10-72 or something...drop his winning percentage to below .700 :D

But that won't happen. The good news is that Malone will opt out of his contract(obviously to get a bigger one from LA) as well. This leaves the Lakers void of 4 Hall of Famers. Payton is still there, but he'll likely decide to exercise his option and play his 2nd year because he knows he won't get anything near that mid-level exception anywhere else.

So yeah, the Lakers are so doomed.

[RSL]

This is a happy day.

[The Captain]

This blew my mind: Shaq is owed $30 million next season? Can someone say Mark Cuban as a potential buyer?


Take care all.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Yeah, Mark Cuban and Dallas have the best chance...but LA hates to send Shaq to an elite team...but they do have the components, like sending Steve Nash and Antawn Jamison and Antoine Walker with Shawn Bradley.

There were talks of sending Allen Iverson to Toronto and Vince Carter to philly too.

But the juiciest trade that will most likely happen is Tracy McGrady (along with Andrew DeClerq and Tyronn Lue) going to Houston of Steve Francis (along with Kelvin Kato and Cuttino Mobley).

Can anyone imagine a Yao/T-Mac combo? Yao's game is going to open much so much more as teams have to deal with a Top 5 player rather than a Top 25 player.

[The Captain]

Right now, I think the T-Wolves have the best chance at the title.

Take care all.