Do it now

[Dr Unne]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/07/02/alternative.browsers.ap/index.html

http://mozilla.org
http://mozilla.org/products/firefox
http://opera.com

[MecaKane]

Firefox sucks. :(

[Psychotic]

I did it now! And I have to say that IE really is much better than Firefox. It's a LOT quicker. Still, I'll try Firefox for a while, and see if it really is as good as people make out.

EDIT: OK it's started going a lot quicker. Wow.

[TasteyPies]

So THATS what was wrong with my browser and why lil green six legged bugs with boobies kept on having sex on my screen.....thanks Dr.Unne!

[Kirobaito]

I'm pretty sure Bleys taught us that just because you have a link to something, doesn't automatically make it true.

<a href="http://mozilla.org/products/firefox">I will continue to use Internet Explorer, because Microsoft is inherently better than everything else. I mean...right, right? This is Windows! There aren't any security risks or anything...I'm just a curious internet browser...I shouldn't have to worry about all of this!</a>

[CloudDragon]

That's why I've been using Firefox from the days it was called "Phoenix", and whatever else it may have been called before that.

[Meat Puppet]

Good thing I don't browse the internet.

[Shoyku]

Done it looong ago.

[Yamaneko]

Since 0.3 or something.

[Shlup]

I've gotten two viruses in the last week without even downloading anything.

You win, Unne.

[m4tt]

I haven't gotten any viruses. *sticks with IE*

[Baloki]

I tried Lindows and it kept uninstalling itself so you suck on that count and I've had netscape and firefox installed for eons now as test donkeys :D

[Citizen Bleys]

I've gotten two viruses in the last week without even downloading anything.

You win, Unne.

I guess that's my cue to stop sending viruses to Shlup.

[Mo-Nercy]

I've been using Mozilla browsers for ages. It's a thrilling experience.

[Burtsplurt]

Firefox is great. When I have to go back to IE for poorly designed sites, it annoys me no end (no tabbed browsing, pop-ups - how do people manage?).

[Xander]

I haven't gotten any viruses. *sticks with IE*

Ditto. *shrug* I dun like change =|

[crono_logical]

Firefox is great. When I have to go back to IE for poorly designed sites, it annoys me no end (no tabbed browsing, pop-ups - how do people manage?).I just don't go to that site then :p

[Baloki]

I just don't go to that site then :p

Windows Update is a site us Windows Users wouldn't want to be able to visit? Sure, why not I suppose, we don't need patchs!

[Raistlin]

I've been using Firefox for...I dunno how long, but for a long time. And I have to say, I detest IE, as does anyone who uses Firefox for a long period of time. Tabbed browsing, no po-ups, crap that screws up IE doesn't screw up Firefox. People use IE just because they don't know better.

[Rye]

I've been using Mozilla for months, haven't gotten any viruses. :)

[Dr Unne]

People use IE just because they don't know better.

So the article says. IE is generally used out of apathy.

IE is a Windows Update frontend, that's about all it's good for, if you can say that that's a good thing.

[Logan]

I have Firefox. I should use it instead of IE. Maybe tomorrow..

[m4tt]

I just love how people in these threads make it look like IE users are just idiots who don't know anything. It's just a freaking browser, who cares what other people use?

[Jebus]

I just love how people in these threads make it look like IE users are just idiots who don't know anything. It's just a freaking browser, who cares what other people use?

Because we're either A)Nerds B)Elitists or C) both

Anyway. I've been using Firefox for some months now, and I would never switch back to IE.

[Baloki]

I use a special browser:

<center>http://www.merchantsofdoom.com/~baloki/unneexplorer.jpg</img>

[Psychotic]

I want one!

[Baloki]

Poor Unne Explorer, he didn't get to go mainstream like his big brother internet explorer so he has to start threads like this to settle his sibbling rivalry :D

[Leeza]

IE has been giving me a lot of grief the last few weeks by getting bogged down with whatever crap it allows to come through. I just clean out viruses one day and then I have to do it again the next. I have no idea why I'm still using it. I should know better and it's not like I don't already have Firefox. I guess because Hotmail works better in IE.

[Rainecloud]

I'm happily using Mozilla. It's great.

You should all download it now. No excuses.

[Raistlin]

I just love how people in these threads make it look like IE users are just idiots who don't know anything.
That's because they are. If they knew what was good for them, they'd be using something(read: anything) else.

[ZeZipster]

IE has the best compatibility with websites, as most websites are designed for IE.

[Nait]

*goes on an unrelated Firefox extension-acquiring spree*


Hm, let's see. IView? Why not! Bookmark Backup, a must have! OOOOh, I just gotta have one of these! GMail-composer! FoxAmp? Hmm.. Ok!

[Del Murder]

I'm a gambling man. So someone might get the password to my fantasy baseball team. Oooooohh!! :D

[crono_logical]

Windows Update is a site us Windows Users wouldn't want to be able to visit? Sure, why not I suppose, we don't need patchs!I can get all the patches I want from Microsoft using Mozilla, not my fault so many others are so incapable of such a feat :p

[Baloki]

I can get all the patches I want from Microsoft using Mozilla, not my fault so many others are so incapable of such a feat :p

I have to use the little icon in the corner thing, Firefox just won't load the page anymore and I get a message saying you require IE to run this page so meh!

[Shoeberto]

I really do love love the Firefox. Themes + Extensions + Tabbed browsing + popup blocker + free sex = yay.

The BugMeNot extension is perhaps the best extension ever.

[Lindy]

I'm just desperately waiting for people to put the viruses that affect IE on the Firefox download site, so that the millions of IE users who want to change over to Firefox will just be shot down in their tracks.

Actually, I doubt that would have any effect, because really, what IE user would actually GO to the Firefox site?

P.S. I like Opera. Sort of.

[m4tt]

That's because they are. If they knew what was good for them, they'd be using something(read: anything) else.I know you don't agree with the use of IE, but calling people idiots just because they choose to use a certain browser is really lame. I don't go around calling firefox users idiots. But then, why would I? They are obviously the smartest people on the planet. :rolleyes2

[Miriel]

I switched to Firefox a couple weeks ago and I'm loving it :)

[Yamaneko]

I don't go around calling firefox users idiots. But then, why would I? They are obviously the smartest people on the planet. :rolleyes2
Thank you Gau, I didn't know you felt that way about us. Maybe one day you will be big and strong, just like us. :cool:

[Killy]

Back in the days, I was a Netscape user, but then suddently it started to crash on random occasions, then I switched to IE. But im giving a try to Firefox right now.

[Raistlin]

I know you don't agree with the use of IE, but calling people idiots just because they choose to use a certain browser is really lame. I don't go around calling firefox users idiots. But then, why would I? They are obviously the smartest people on the planet. :rolleyes2

I didn't use the word "idiots", you did. I just responded. I would've made the same reply even if you said "merely ignorant peasants of the ways of the Almighty Firefox and how it is infinitely superior to IE." Or anything else remotely condescending. :P

[omnitarian]

It's funny, I was about to comment on this thread about how IE works just fine and dandy, thankyouverymuch. But then my little cousin came over and messed it up so that IE flings a login screen at me whatever I do.

So I grab Firefox and figure that I'll be forced to use it forever. But then everything cleaned itself up, and IE works just like it did. But now I have no excuse not to give Firefox a fair shot. I'm using as we speak. Ca-razy.

[Meow]

Internet Explorer is the opiate of the masses, sirs! Cleary you understand not the unending oppression of the proletariat at the hands of those who own the means of production and shear the fruits of the workers' labor from the trees in their very backyard! You live a false consciousness that fetishizes the point of exchange rather than the labor involved, sirs, the only answer to which is enlightened revolution!

[black orb]

>>> Im using IE 5.0, i tried netscape 7 but it didnt work, all I got was just a blank window..

[DMKA]

"It's not that consumers are so loyal to Microsoft, but more they are apathetic,"

I agree with this. IE is just hassle free compared to all the others that you have to download a MILLION plugins just to make it run and then theres still sites that won't work, plus they're slow on opening unless you have a fastass PC, and even then its still slow on opening, though its faster and more accurate on loading pages, I'll admit.

I use IE and will continue to because I have a dialup connection and it very annoying to have to download a ton of files to get a browser to semi-work, and then it still won't load most of the sites I visit, while IE is compatible with anything and everything.

So what I'm trying to say is IE may not be great but Firefox and Mozilla suck far worse.

[Nait]

Devilmaykickass! As your personal Prophet, I prophetise thus!

<i>When the years turn a handful four-hundred one,
And the pyres of change burn in Babylon,
When bracelets of the god found beneath our eye,
When people still kill and when people still die,
The old master renounced by the heralds of the west,
It isn't the most sacred, strong or best,
It's diseased with madness and diseased with pain,
Diseased with sickness, so let the Fox of Fire reign!
It bears no cloth but which it is given,
It has a mission to which it is striven,
Follow it's trail on the safer course,
And so it will bring, balance to the Force.</i>

Ok maybe not one of my better ones but you get the idea.

[Baloki]

All I can say is you all say how its hard to get virus' for Firefox and etc but thats because their minority browsers, if you were a hacker you wouldn't program a virus or spyware program to attack say half a million firefox browsers when theres over 2 billion IE browsers to attack.

If Firefox or Mozzilla or whatever became the browser of choice it would prove to be just as vunerable, its because its not widespread that it doesn't suffer.

[Nait]

All I can say is you all say how its hard to get virus' for Firefox and etc but thats because their minority browsers, if you were a hacker you wouldn't program a virus or spyware program to attack say half a million firefox browsers when theres over 2 billion IE browsers to attack.

If Firefox or Mozzilla or whatever became the browser of choice it would prove to be just as vunerable, its because its not widespread that it doesn't suffer.


So what stops you from changing? What you say doesn't change the fact that Firefox is STILL the minority browser. :love:

On a side-note, does Netscape have as many vulnerabilities as IE?

[Evelia]

Trying to get my dad to switch to Firefox, too, since he keeps complaining about viruses. u.u;

[Baloki]

Not if everyone changed to it it wouldn't be, and yes Netscape has the same flaws as the AOL Browser now because they are both based off IE :D

[Nait]

Not if everyone changed to it it wouldn't be, and yes Netscape has the same flaws as the AOL Browser now because they are both based off IE :D


Yes yes, but as you should be saying, who will change? You're acting out of the premise that everyone will change from IE to Firefox like THAT, <i>but you yourself are a counter-example</i>. :D

[crono_logical]

All I can say is you all say how its hard to get virus' for Firefox and etc but thats because their minority browsers, if you were a hacker you wouldn't program a virus or spyware program to attack say half a million firefox browsers when theres over 2 billion IE browsers to attack.

If Firefox or Mozzilla or whatever became the browser of choice it would prove to be just as vunerable, its because its not widespread that it doesn't suffer.Ah, but if Firefox/Mozilla get targeted by hackers/whatever, the response for getting patches out and available would be much much faster than MS ever does it - one of the nice things about open source software :p I believe MS still hasn't released a proper patch for the current vulnerability yet and it's been around 2 weeks now - if you read between the lines for what they have released, all it does is change your configuration a bit, potentially breaking advanced functions businesses may use for internal intranet functions, but doesn't actually fix anything.


As for calling people idiots for still using IE, well, I think it's perfectly justified if they know the problems in IE, are able to change browser (ie they're not using someone else's PC), essentially have no reason to not demote IE to minimal usage for viewing the crappiest of sites or work practices, yet continue to refuse to make the change :monster: :cookie: :cookie:

[Baloki]

They have got the patch out since friday actually, and if we had it Unnes way we would all use other ones like Firefox and Mozzilla

[RSL]

There's no real good reason not to get firefox, in my opinion.

[Endless]

Friday's patch doesn't <i>fix</i> the problem, but just puts a well, patch on IE. The exploit still exists, the patch just disables what is used to exploit it: the ADODB.Stream ActiveX Control.

Think of it as using a bike and you realize there's a leak in your tube. MS keeps giving you patches for your tube for each time you find a hole. It kinda works, but eventually, you need to replace the tube altogether.

There's even an <a href="http://slate.msn.com/id/2103152/">article on MSN</a> about ditching IE.

[Nait]

They have got the patch out since friday actually, and if we had it Unnes way we would all use other ones like Firefox and Mozzilla


But, you see, <i>Unne doesn't always get his way.</i> You're proof of that. :D

[Loony BoB]

Ever since I stopped looking at porn and set up a firewall, I've had no problems with IE at all. And I've only ever had two problems prior to that in years upon years.

Does Firefox have all the abilities for things that IE does yet? I tried it back when it was firebird or whatever and it sucked because it couldn't do everything I wanted it to. I remember that I couldn't view some sites like HSBC, where I do my banking.

[Meat Puppet]

Ever since I stopped looking at porn and set up a firewall, I've had no problems with IE at all.

Ah. So that's where my viruses are flooding from.

I just use IE and Firefox. Best of both worlds. Might make them breed. Who knows.

[Dr Unne]

If virus writers targeted Firefox, it would NOT be as bad as IE. Firefox doesn't auto-execute programs without asking you. Firefox doesn't use ActiveX, which serves two purposes in life: Windows Update and running viruses. Firefox doesn't randomly reset its security settings without asking you. Firefox isn't half-embedded into the Windows kernel. Firefox is open source; when a problem pops up, someone can fix it themselves, rather than wait a few months and see if MS throws you a bone. And MS doesn't give a crap about browser users, because it has the entire market in its pocket. IE hasn't been significantly updated in what, 3 or 4 years?

And of course from a web designer's point of view, IE is a piece of absolute trash. I'd tell people to not use it for that reason alone, even if it WAS easier/better to use or something, which is isn't.

IE is just hassle free compared to all the others that you have to download a MILLION plugins just to make it run and then theres still sites that won't work, plus they're slow on opening unless you have a fastass PC, and even then its still slow on opening, though its faster and more accurate on loading pages, I'll admit.

Have you ever actually used Firefox at all? By default with no plugins Firefox is far more feature-rich than IE. Javascript control, popup blocking, tabs, ltype-ahead find, Google search bar, etc. Opera is even more so. Extensions in Firefox can bring it up to the level of Opera. Could you refer specifically to one or two of the millions of plugins required to make Firefox work properly for you?

Firefox opens in less than a second on my computer. Almost instantaneously in Windows, and slower in Linux actually.

Does Firefox have all the abilities for things that IE does yet? I tried it back when it was firebird or whatever and it sucked because it couldn't do everything I wanted it to. I remember that I couldn't view some sites like HSBC, where I do my banking.

Use Firefox for everything except those sucky pages coded only to work with IE. A personal page, I can see someone not spending the time to test it. A professional page with hired web designers, making pages that only work in IE? There's no excuse. There are less and less of those sites in existence as time goes on, thankfully. Code to standards and your web page will work in IE, Firefox, cell phones, and whatever else you want to throw at it. "My bank's site works" isn't a strength of IE, it's a weakness of the morons who made that site. If you could name another "ability" IE has that Firefox doesn't, that'd be neat.

EDIT: Just saw that MSN article about how Firefox is better than IE. That's sadly amusing.

[crono_logical]

IE has the ability to take the system down with it when it dies, or so it did often back on Win98 :D

[-N-]

Devilmaykickass! As your personal Prophet, I prophetise thus!

<i>When the years turn a handful four-hundred one,
And the pyres of change burn in Babylon,
When bracelets of the god found beneath our eye,
When people still kill and when people still die,
The old master renounced by the heralds of the west,
It isn't the most sacred, strong or best,
It's diseased with madness and diseased with pain,
Diseased with sickness, so let the Fox of Fire reign!
It bears no cloth but which it is given,
It has a mission to which it is striven,
Follow it's trail on the safer course,
And so it will bring, balance to the Force.</i>

Ok maybe not one of my better ones but you get the idea.

Wow. *awesomified*

[Bernhard]

Firefox is pretty damn stellar.

[Meat Puppet]

I must say, I have become a frequent user of Firepony in the past week or so, although not a hardcore fan.

Loved that article, by the way. 'specially this part



You've probably been told to dump Internet Explorer for a Mozilla browser before, by the same propeller-head geek who wants you to delete Windows from your hard drive and install Linux. You've ignored him, and good for you.

I guess we gotta follow the flock sometimes, huh guys?

[SeeDRankLou]

IE has the ability to take the system down with it when it dies, or so it did often back on Win98 :D

WindowsXP almost fixed that problem.

I downloaded Mozilla, I used it and I don't really see a difference. Everything works the same. The only cool thing is the lack of multiple windows. It's like a mock Netscape. Oh well.

Edit: Firefox on the otherhand is rather nifty. There's a notable increase in speed.

[Yamaneko]

0.9.1 just came out. :) 1.0 by September!