Disapointing Animes

[aeris2001x2]

this is just 4 Anime fans, or just ppl who like Anime in general. no offense if u dont like anime, thats your opinion and right, but i feel it would be a bias view in relation 2 my below question.

has any Anime been liked hyped up, rated heavily by ppl, got u really excited etc...and then u watch it and its a real mediocre or crap, or at least no where near the level u expected?

i,ve seen several. recently Excel Saga started on Sci-fi again and i,ve finally got a chance to catch it.

its pathetic. its completly crazy and insane...which should be a good thing, but it just comes across as completly un funny. when there is only one or two laughs an episode u KNOW sumthins up.

this may only be dub problems, but Excel's voice! :eek: . its so annoying and incoherent, i,ve never been annoyed by a voice before. i,ve basically stopped taping it now. i,ll still watch it but i,m not hopeful it will improve.

also Metropolis and Read or Die were disapointing. they were genius and amazing...but i expected them to challenge for top spot in my anime chart, they were no where near.

Bubblegum crisis tokoyo 2040 was pathetic and upon re watching Spirited Away on Dvd, its still magical, but hardly worthy of being anywhere near the greatest anime.

what about the rest of u guys?

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: Gundam SEED

Rubedo: 'nuff said

[aeris2001x2]

well to be honest, Gundam Wing really bored me in the second half of the seris...

*Dodges the four way gunfire from Rubedo's four personas*.......

[SomethingBig]

I like Gundam Seed. It's love square between Kira, that red-haired girl, that pink-haired girl, and that blond-haired girl keeps me watching. Not as good as Wing, but still good.

Biggest mistake of an anime is definitely Witch Hunter Robin. I couldn't watch 2 minutes without having to jump off a cliff.

[Trumpet Thief]

choas: What?! That's when the plot unfurled more! How could you not be amazed when Quatre's father and his siter Irea died? I loved that laugh he did at the end of the episode, honestly! It's even better than Albedo's!---

Albedo: What?! :cry:

chaos: That wasn't all! He went on a killing spree! Taking the wing Zero, he demolished 3 conolies, almost killed Trowa, and severely damaged Heero! speaking of Trowa, he was probably the most deep characters. In the Manga "Ground Zero" You truly get to learn what he is like! Definetly a great character! The other Gundam Pilots weren't behind either. I admit, Relena was the most idiotic character ever made, but the Gundam Pilots made up for her. The Gundam and Leo etc. designs weren't half bad either!

Rubedo: The musical scores in the show were just grand, my personal favorite being "The Wings of the Boy that killed his adolescense". The others were great too, like the opening, Rythm Emotion etc.

Albedo: The violence in the show was great! *Laughs maniacally* The storyline really unfurled near the ending, with the Giant spaceship Lybra. Milliardo Peacecraft was my favorite character! My favorite part including him was when he fought bravely even though he was out numbered, the rest of his soldiers killed, protecting the Sank Kingdom. The time when his mask broke.

Trowa: In other words, the show rocks... *Sits and stares and sits and stares and sits and stares*

[aeris2001x2]

was that an Anime u heard good things about though?

EDIT-it just got samey after a while. though i did not see it all. i lost interest when the blond haired one, Quarte is it? got his new gundam.

[Agent Proto]

i,ve seen several. recently Excel Saga started on Sci-fi again and i,ve finally got a chance to catch it.

its pathetic. its completly crazy and insane...which should be a good thing, but it just comes across as completly un funny. when there is only one or two laughs an episode u KNOW sumthins up.

this may only be dub problems, but Excel's voice! :eek: . its so annoying and incoherent, i,ve never been annoyed by a voice before. i,ve basically stopped taping it now. i,ll still watch it but i,m not hopeful it will improve.


Excel Saga is great and funny! You just need to watch it in Japanese with subtitles, because the dubbed version sucks majorly. You'll understand some of the jokes better that way.

Anyway, anime that disappointed me... Wild ARMs TV. I was hoping it would be more like the games, but it wasn't really. It disappointed me.

[aeris2001x2]

Excel Saga is great and funny! You just need to watch it in Japanese with subtitles, because the dubbed version sucks majorly. You'll understand some of the jokes better that way.

Anyway, anime that disappointed me... Wild ARMs TV. I was hoping it would be more like the games, but it wasn't really. It disappointed me.

i just feel if it was THAT good it would still show on the dub...like Martian Successor Nadesico 4 instance. many jokes were lost...but where re written to make sense to western ppl. class show in japanese and english.

[Trumpet Thief]

was that an Anime u heard good things about though?

EDIT-it just got samey after a while. though i did not see it all. i lost interest when the blond haired one, Quarte is it? got his new gundam.

chaos: That wasn't permanently his new Gundam. He got the Wing Zero when he was insane. He went on a killing spree after that. Those were the greatest episodes.

Rubedo: Pure gold...

[aeris2001x2]

i think i saw the killing sprew. it did,nt do much 4 me though.

dont get me wromg, i loved it at first...but it just grew tiresome imho. how many episodes were there before the Endless waltz movie?

i do think Lieutenant Zex/minrardo Peacecraft(sp!) was awesome though.

[Trumpet Thief]

i think i saw the killing sprew. it did,nt do much 4 me though.

dont get me wromg, i loved it at first...but it just grew tiresome imho. how many episodes were there before the Endless waltz movie?

i do think Lieutenant Zex/minrardo Peacecraft(sp!) was awesome though.

chaos: There were 49 Episodes before Endless Waltz. That kinda fits, including the movie, 50 Episodes...

Albedo: *laughs maniacally* I agree, Milliardo was truly magnificent!

[Armisael]

Well until now all anime i have seen were pretty good,i don't have a problem yet-not that i have seen that much of anime but anyway-But maybe some episodes of Dragonball were a little crap,now that i think about it.

[aeris2001x2]

damn u, u have made me want to rewatch gundam wing now! :cool:

another disapointment was the Tenchi seris. not very rewarding...

[Lon611]

uhm, im gonna get away from mech stuff rite now, but dbgt was really a bummer. ive seen it in japanese, and even tho it doesn't have the same good intangible qualities as dbz, it was still awesome. the englsih version of dbgt destroyed my love for anime. decent at best. i think toonami edited it way too much :eek:

if every1 thinks wat im talking about is like a decade old, thats ok.

[aeris2001x2]

could,nt agree more DBZ AND DB Japanese version r amazing. DBGT supreme shi*.

[Lon611]

ok, well ive been busy lately but i wanna get back into anime. wats the best anime on toonami, and when duz it play (very newbish, i kno, but i haven't watched cartoon network in ages). thankx. no yu yu hakusho (?) or tenchi!!!thanx. sorri if the last sentence offended ne1, it just duzn't catch my eye

EDIT: thanks 4 whoever mentioned eternal waltz(?) i think it was cald. i 4got about that. i really enjoyed it. im gonna go dl it. :tongue:

[GhandiOwnsYou]

geez... Gundam Wing. I'm sorry, come after me with bats and all manners of impaling implements, but that one just rubbed me all about the "wrong way" path. Then one day I saw ten minutes of an FLCL episode, and all other anime bowed before me in disgrace.

[aeris2001x2]

lol. well the UK tonami has not had any new anime 4 ages. aside from DBZ, Gundam Wing and Outlaw star its all mediocre to poor. they dont show Cowboy Bebop anymore, which is a REAL shame. thats my 2nd fav Anime ever.

the UK sci-fi channel is showing Fist of the North Star seris and Excel Saga at 5am, everyday. but this is all useless to u since your USA...meh... :tongue:

[StarlightAngel]

I like Spirited Away... The new Pokemon is starting to get my nerves. It's the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over. The Final Fantasy Unlimited Wasn't bad... it wasn't good either. Kiki's Delivery Service has lost it's magic for me. I get bored right when she gets all depressed.

[Agent Proto]

i just feel if it was THAT good it would still show on the dub...like Martian Successor Nadesico 4 instance. many jokes were lost...but where re written to make sense to western ppl. class show in japanese and english.

It's the voice-dubbing that ruins it.

[Shoeberto]

B't X. It was a full series I saw on Animesuki that was like 5 gigs that I thought might be cool based on it's super-vague description.

One of the bad guy's names turned out to be Metal-Face. Because part of his face had metal on it. I didn't watch farther than the first episode.

[aeris2001x2]

It's the voice-dubbing that ruins it.

that much? even the most awful dubbed anime i have enjoyed simply because it was a good show. and why cant it be a Nadesico job? damn u ADV films.

i must confess episode 4's dating game stuff with lord what-his-face was funny, but can ALL the other humor have been lost? and its only Excel i hate. the other voices are nicely cast.

well i think its episode 7 on at 5.30 this morning. i hope its good and i understand it despite missing episode 2 and 6(though i doubt that matters, the plot is a mess).

[edczxcvbnm]

Saiyuki Reload
Last Exile
Vampire Hunter D
Akira
Gundam 0079
Gundam Z
Escaflowne
Chrno Crusade
Dragonball GT
Metropolis
Ninja Scroll
Full Metal Panic!

That is my list of dissappointments. So much suckage. Thats a pretty big list up there so one might wonder what I would consider to be great? Well...here are they are.

.HACK//SIGN
Full Metal Alchemist
Samuri X: Trust & Betrayal

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There is stuff that is okay but above is awesome beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[aeris2001x2]

wait, do they suck, or r they just not as good as made out 2 be?

.HACK//SIGN
Full Metal Alchemist

not seen those two yet, but i agree Samuri X: Trust & Betrayal is awesome...probably my fourth fav Anime.

[edczxcvbnm]

I will go through the list.

Saiyuki Reload - Picks up roughly were the Saiyuki left off. Except they expect that you full watched the last series and there is no real plot. Just random occurences of what would be filler episodes in the previous series.

Last Exile - This moved somewhat slow and then at the end got kind of rushed...or at least I thought so. Good animation and good style also but it just was not very interesting. The characters were not very interesting also. They also didn't fully explain some things that they could have explained had they not slacked off in the beginning so much(wasn't as bad as I make it seem).

Vampire Hunter D - 80's animation and feel in the year 2000 made it hard to watch at all. Back grounds were not very interesting of too full of crap trying to be all intense. Story had a good premise but it didn't execute very well. Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust was good though.

Akira - I don't know where to begin. Whole last half of the movie is like 'WHAT?!' They tried to do way too much and it ended up with a lot of pyscological though and crap because they didn't have time to explain themselves.

Gundam 0079, Gundam Z - I think these mainly suffer from the time. The animation, story progression and development and cinemtography were not all that spectacular today but then it probably was.

Escaflowne - Boring characters or annoying characters and a story that isn't all that interesting.

Chrno Crusade - Cool characters and cool story and a really good ending. This sounds great right? WRONG! The story takes forever to get started up. I looks like it does in the beginning and then 4-15 or so seem like random events outside the main core story for the most part. Then it picks up and does a good job of ending but it seemed to suffer from being a bit rushed IMO.

Dragonball GT - Ummm....yeah DBZ but a trillion times worse in all aspects.

Metropolis - I just hate that art style first off. Then from there on out I just didn't like anything else about it.

Ninja Scroll - Just didn't like it.

Full Metal Panic! - random episode strung together around a core plot that they don't explain until the last 2 or something like that episodes and even then it didn't seem so much rushed as it did just incomplete.

THERE YOU GO!

As for .HACK//SIGN...that series moves really really slow and may seem incomplete in the end but if you think about the goal from the beginning...it isn't incomplete at all. There is so much back story that is explain in the games and .HACK//LIMINALITY. A lot of people don't like it because the end is like the start of something else(the games) and it moves too slow for them and not a lot of action.

Full Metal Alchemist is just plain awesome. Rich world with a rich history. Interesting characters, not many filler episodes at all(if any). GREAT forshadowing and story. Interesting villians and it can be pretty funny. Music can be good at times but it isn't alway memorable. Its currently up to episode 46(47 tomarrow).
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[aeris2001x2]

cool. those r pretty fair reasons not to like an Anime. just wish more of those were avaliable in the UK...

back on Excel Saga...just watched episode 7...utter crap. even with the sub this would suck. i,m enjoying the fist of the north seris on just before it ALOT more. and that says alot...

[edczxcvbnm]

I own only .HACK//SIGN(and every other part of .hack universe) and Samurai X. Everything else is downloaded from such places as www.boxtorrents.com, www.anime-xtreme.com and others. Most of it is japanese with a fansub.

[CloudSquallandZidane]

Man i must be the only one who enjoyed Ninja Scroll.

Dissapointments:
Animaniacs (J/K)
DBGT

NEwayz DBGT it just bored the crap outa me and it wasnt like DBZ boring that kept me coming back for more... it was just boring....

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Has anyone ever watched any of the Dragonball series and wondered how that crap ever made it at all, much less made it as big as it did?

[edczxcvbnm]

Dragonball was good. Dragonball Z...not so much and I question how it kept going as long as it did. DBGT...wonder how it ever got the go ahead.

[aeris2001x2]

[QUOTE=CloudSquallandZidane]Man i must be the only one who enjoyed Ninja Scroll.

QUOTE]

i love Ninja Scroll...well ok i like it alot. its at least in my top 30 (which is quite an achievment considering the competition 4 places).

on Dragonball. the Japanese version is probably better then DBZ. its just that its english language DUB is probably in the top 5 for worst dub,s i,ve ever seen.

P.S-thanks 4 the websites edczxcvbnm :) . i appreciate it.

except none of the downloads r working? i dont get it? there all strange files. how do i use these torrent file things?

[edczxcvbnm]

Its a file sharing program called bit torrent. You need to download a program so that you can download. Lets see here...I use Azureus. You can go into that one and cap your uploads and downloads so you can still browse the net.

I am not sure but I think you can get it from www.azureus.com. Now because you are not downloading this from a server you may not reach the speeds you normally get. A lot of these places will also ban you if you don't share so don't go nuts and wait till you have about .7-1.0 share ratio(the program will tell you).

The only thing you really need to know about is when you download the torrent sometimes it will be called somethingsomthing.avi.torrent[1] and it will ask you to save it or open it. When you save it you need to rename it so that the [1] is gone then open the file.

Thats my bit torrent crash course. There are other clients out there so if you don't care for azureus read the FAQs on the sites to figure out where you might obtain others and stuff.

Here is a good website to get most all the FMA - www.hagaren.de

EDIT: You actually don't need to delete the [1] because you can just select a program from the list actually.

[Thunday Man]

Inyuasha.

Terrible terrible garbash.

[SomethingBig]

Kikaider. You can't get better than Kikaider. One of those underrated, not too well known anime titles out there.

Cowboy Bebop was pretty disappointing. Before you start flaming, let me explain myself. After all the hype centering around Cowboy Bebop, I decided to check it out. I loved the first episode, but it just got boring after the 8th episode. The last two episodes were insanely incredible, though. The movie's also unbelievably amazing. I watched the movie twice without any hesitation.

[TheAbominatrix]

I never liked any of the Dragonball series. They're way too battle-centered and the battles take forever. "Omg! The planet is gonna blow up in <i>two minutes!</i>." 14 episodes later "Omg! The planet is gonna blow up in <i>one minute! We have to hurry!</i>" *shoots a bunch of attacks at an enemy, surrounds him with smoke "Haha I have won!" enemy appears out of the smoke "Haha, you are not as strong as me!"

That sums up my feelings.

InuYasha was disappointing, because I could see a lot of promise in it. But it's basically like all of Rumiko Takahashi's other anime... Kagome and InuYasha are basically revamps of Akane and Ranma from Ranma 1/2 (which was good for about 20 episodes, then it got insanely repetitive).

And yes, a bad dub can ruin a show. Look at Sailor Moon in dubbed form. They turned it into a chatty teenage pile of dirt "As if!", took out all serious and even a lot of the comedic points, and just tore it apart. The Japanese Bishoujo Senshi Sailormoon, however, is a very good anime with a nice mix of serious plots and comedy. Some dub monstrosity examples: The last two episodes of the first season were cut down to one. The deaths of the Inner Senshi and all the emotional reactions from their friends were completly removed (the excuse for their absense being that they were 'kidnapped by the Negaverse'), along with the death of Mamoru at the hands of Usagi, and Usagi's death at the end, and turned into some cheesy snot. And in the third season (Sailormoon S) when Haruka and Michiru went from being lovers to cousins (since, of course, homosexual cartoon characters are a no no here).

Dubbing also ruined Kagaku Ninjatai Gatchaman, which is a critically hailed series from the 70's. It was dubbed as Battle of the Planets, then again as G-Force, and once more as Eagle Riders. They all tore it apart and made it completly unwatchable.

So either buy DVDs of your anime (since the DVDs automatically included subbed and dubbed) or make sure the tapes you get are subbed. It's worth the extra effort.

[aeris2001x2]

i see what u mean about the Dub of Sailor moon. i think what i meant was if an Anime is good, it will show even on a crap Dub, AS LONG as they dont cut bits out and censor stuff etc.

i have to agree the way Sailor moon was treated is disgusting. i remember they took the original incarnations of Macross i think, and spliced it together to form the Monstrosity= Robotech. that too was shameful.

and to be honest, DB/DBZ were treated awfully by funimation too.

[SomethingBig]

You have to give Cartoon Network and Funimation some credit. They did a fine and dandy job with the Adult Swim animes.

On the subject of DBZ, I agree whole-heartedly with TheAbominatrix. It was the best anime ever, when I was a child, but now it's just godawful. The same thing happens over and over. Some unbelievably strong enemy shows up and beats all of the good guys to a pulp. They then all train themselves, but, ultimately, only one of them will beat the villain. This happens in every single season of DBZ. DBGT's all right. It tried going back to DB, but didn't do as good a job. DB I have no problem with.

[aeris2001x2]

the reason why i imagine(i dont have adult swim here in uk) is because funimation did not have a part in alot of them (e.g-cowboy bebop).

i understand the criticism,s of DBZ but i still love the thing. first saw it at 15 and i was like WOW. no where near as incrediable now, but i think its still 19th in my anime chart.

though there were times it disapointed me (mainly Gohan fighting Perfect Cell and Gohan SSJ2 destroying Super perfect cell). oh and the part of the BUU saga with Vegetto in it. Vegetto and that version of Super BUU were the two strongest guys to appear in DBZ...and the fight was a huge let-down.

[SomethingBig]

If you count the movies, Gojita was way stronger than Vejito.

[aeris2001x2]

but as the movies dont fit in the plot its impossible to count them.

oh thanks 4 reminding me. the movies 1-6 were rubbish...

[Resha]

AYASHI NO CERES. I used to like it. It's...*retches*

[Lon611]

oh thanks 4 reminding me. the movies 1-6 were rubbish...

i completely agree.i liked movies 10-13. man, i wish they had subtitles....its fun just making up ur own storyline tho.

movie 13=best dbz movie ever!!!!!!!!!!

[FreaQaZoiD]

I never liked BubbleGum Crisis 2040 or Inuyasha. Or DBZ or anything DB for that matter. Interesting points Abominatrix, i always knew dubs fuXeD up plot but I never knew they'd actually change its course completely.

I love the older 'classic' anime movies like Ninja Scroll, Akira, Ghost in The Shell...and i have a soft spot for all these new vampire-based crap by the same artists. The stunning modern animation and drawing style, to me, almost makes up for the cheesy, predictable action-based storylines devoid of characters with a trace of personality.

I often prefer manga to anime. It allows for less effort in making it look good and allows for more convincing storyline and character creation. Oh jeez...i was thinking of the DBZ comics in Shonen Jump as i wrote this. I feel dirty. Its as bad as the anime, honestly.

~~~FreaQ

[TheAbominatrix]

Dubs can do many things, little things like being annoying (example: Magic Knight Rayearth dubbed -chan to -ster. So Hikaru was running around yelling "Umi-ster! Fuu-ster!") to completly making a different show.

Battle of the Planets was the first dub of Gatchaman. Because Gatchaman was such a violent show, they had to cut out lots and lots and LOTS of stuff. They cut out SO MUCH that they had to add extra footage of a 'narrator boss thing', an annnoying robot called 7-Zark-7. Any violence after was explained like "Mark's birdrang only stuns them. They'll be fine in a few minutes". Then they added adventures into space (not seen on the original show) and a lot of other stuff to make up for all they cut. It was bad. BAD.

[SomethingBig]

Cowboy Bebop would have easily become my favorite anime, but, sadly, much of the episodes were too boring for my liking. The last two episodes were so poetic, though. It's as if the creators wanted you to think that the whole series would be boring, but, WHAM. They throw the Real Folk Blues(the episodes) at you and you're left in a puddle of your own tears and fecal matter because those episodes are just that amazing. Same goes for Knocking on Heaven's Door(Cowboy Bebop movie). It's safe to say that KoHD is the best anime movie ever. If you disagree, you're wrong.

[TheAbominatrix]

Speaking of Bebop, that's a quality dub right there. Other good dubs I can think of are Evangelion and Spirited Away.

And as for Knockin' on Heaven's Door, I liked it, but I dont think it's one of the best. Probably the best anime movie for a series, but I think Miyazaki's movies are, on the whole, better. But then again, they're two completly different kinds of movies.

[Shlup]

The only anime I can think of off the top of my head that was dissapointing was Excel Saga. I thought it was just... dull. And I'd heard it was really funny so I was like "Aww... hours of downloading for nothing."

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: Alright, I take by my statement about Gundam SEED, now my second favorite anime, Gundam Wing being first of course :D

Rubedo: I never really liked Inuyasha. I forced myself to enjoy it, but I just couldn't get into the mode. At some times, I thought the plot was rushed. Although I don't know why...

[FreaQaZoiD]

Dubs can do many things, little things like being annoying (example: Magic Knight Rayearth dubbed -chan to -ster. So Hikaru was running around yelling "Umi-ster! Fuu-ster!")

:D Bwahahahaha! :D The award for most evil dub goes to...

~~~ :D :D :D :D - FreaQ

[edczxcvbnm]

Cowboy Bebop episode 11 rocked. It gave tribute to both Garfield AND Alien! The bad episodes were 12,13,25,26. They ruined the greatness of the series as well as the flow. The extent of Vicious shouldn't have gone past the first encounter. Thats all that needed to be shown.

[StarlightAngel]

Shonen Jump is better than any of the anime. Mainly cuz Americans edit the real things so much that it's just a big load of crap. They make it into kiddie shows, like it was in Japan, but America is so much more over protective that... :mad: In my opinion, if they show it in America, they should keep it as close to the actual story as possible, not cut out anything, and just rate it for older audiences. The way they change the anime earns the anime the title of 'Stupid meaningless load of @*$#' But for some anime that hasn't been ruined by America or any other country, they already are 'Stupid meaningless load of @*$#'

[d20{fx}]

Okay this rant has been long coming to you unbelievers out there.

Gundam Seed and Gundam Wing pale in comparison to the original Mobile S Suit Gundam and Gundam Z. For one thing ,storyline for Gundam Seed was loosely based on Mobile Suit Gundam so it can be considered as a remake of the series. Next Gundam Wing was made to appeal to a younger audience and also to attract girls to the series(due to the large amounts of prettyboys)so it is less serious than the other series'. Gundam was originally meant to be a war drama not some crap about five kids in invicible gundams taking on whole armies. I mean everytime one of those kids gets in a mobile suit it suddenly becomes invincible. There is no set of physics for the series. The best gundam Series' are those done by Tomino cos he's the man. In his series' he tries to show what a real war is supposed to be. Gundam was originally intended to be a war drama and although Seed does this very well Wing becomes very unbelievable as a war drama as the series goes on. Once the Wing Zero's introduced it just goes downhill from here as it just ends up as a cheap plot device to keep the story going.
Okay so the animation in MSG and Z are old and out of date but the storylines of the series' is done very well and the fight scenes are great. Although the scenes in Seed is well done the ones in Wing were really dodgy. Especially the final battle. OMG that didnt even finish properly. Zechs just poke his saber into Libra's reactor and then buggers off. I mean wtf. Also both wing and Seed had some really annoying characters. First off Relena Peacecraft. The main female lead. comepletely and utterly useless. I get the feeling that she caused more problems for Heero than was nescassary. Also what's with Heero and his continual attempts to kill himself? That guys got some deathwish or something. In Seed we have Yzak Gable(u know the pilot of Deul Gundam), for some reason that guy hates Kira. Sure Kira did give a pretty nasty scar but Yzak seemed to hate him before that. Also they ruined Rau le Cresuet's character. Throughout the whole series he seemed like all mysterious, manipulating things from behind the scenes and such, but he just ends up as another phychopath who wants to destroy the earth. Lesse Wufei was pathetic as a main charater. He had the worst character developement in the whole series. Also Lady Une was freaky with her split personality thing. In fact i got problems with most of wing's cast.(with the exception of Zech's and Duo)
Also, i think Aeris said something about the love square between Kira, Fay(red hair girl), Cagalli(Blonde), and Lacus(Pink). Man that was a really strange one. Heres the breakdown. Fay is using Kira so she can get revenge on the enemy for killing her parents and then ends up dying. Lacus is Kira's best Friend's(Athrun) fiancee who he just happened to kidnap and they end up falling in love and such. And of course Cagalli who turns out to be Kira's sister which is just wrong.

That's all i can think of right now but i'll probably come up with some other stuff later, so keep your eyes open. :mog: :mog: :mog:

[d20{fx}]

Oops, got a bit off topic.
Bubblegumcrisis was a really bad anime.
Also i have a great loathing of anything relating to dragonball.
And i like to point out that ZZ gundam is really, really bad. Well at the start anyway.
Also Pokemon. I hate the anime. Everyone is so happy and nice and it just really freaks me out.

[aeris2001x2]

Cowboy Bebop episode 11 rocked. It gave tribute to both Garfield AND Alien! The bad episodes were 12,13,25,26. They ruined the greatness of the series as well as the flow. The extent of Vicious shouldn't have gone past the first encounter. Thats all that needed to be shown.

i cant believe u just said that? the whole Anime;s main theme was aboutSpike coming to terms with the wrong he inflicted on his best friend Vicious by cheating on him with his GF Julia

wow u have a REAL downer on Anime...no offense.

EDIT-i appreciate its opinion and all. but i thought ep 11 was awful, and ep 26 end was the best end EVER, Anime or otherwise.

[DMKA]

ep 26 end was the best end EVER, Anime or otherwise.
I don't think I've ever cried that much...

Anyway, yeah I LOVED InuYasha, and I still do but...its became reptitious after this many episodes...I really think 150 would of done it, but eh, they're REALLY dragging it out...I still love it, but eh, I won't make a final judgement till I've finished the series(damn it might beat Sailor Moon's 200 episodes O_o).

Cowboy Bebop...I think is good, but not NEARLY as good as people say it is...I mean its great, but its not THAT good...the last episode however, kicks the crap out of everything else...I cannot argue with that.

Dissapointing anime...hmm...Angel Sanctuary really dissapointed me...it was just like...1/4 of the story and it just cuts off inconclusively. Silent Mobius just cut off too, and the way that it cut off really bugged the HELL out of me. Other than that, I can't really think of any others that really 'dissapointed me'. The "X" movie wasn't all I thought it would be, but it wasn't really "dissapointing".

I STILL want a 6th Sailor Moon Anime series to conclude their lives or whatever...like...them die and stay dead, you know! GAH!

[Baloki]

Nadesico the movie, NADESICO THE MOVIE, NADESICO THE MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not even good as a stand alone film or even a follow on, 3/4 hours of film compressed into 1 hour, 20 mins. A really bad idea as they cut the middle out.

Not really been disappointed by other animes too much actually though, I need to watch more, oh except that Macross 2 thing is it, with the whiny reporter who finds the singing alien and they end up making the macross save them by singing or something, urg that was annoyingly voiced and rather crappy in story terms...

[Female Ryuichi]

Fushigi the Yuugi was so very very disapointing. Also, everyone who said some of the espiodes of Bebop were overhypered is quite right. However, the last espiode of Bebop was...awesome.

The Gravitation anime was disapointing in some ways too...too much recycled footage, and it really could have done with more espiodes :(. There was enough material for it in the manga :( .

[DMKA]

The Gravitation anime was disapointing in some ways too...too much recycled footage, and it really could have done with more espiodes :(. There was enough material for it in the manga :( .
Really? I've never read the manga and I loved the anime! This is why I'm glad I stay away from manga.

[edczxcvbnm]

i cant believe u just said that? the whole Anime;s main theme was aboutSpike coming to terms with the wrong he inflicted on his best friend Vicious by cheating on him with his GF Julia

wow u have a REAL downer on Anime...no offense.

EDIT-i appreciate its opinion and all. but i thought ep 11 was awful, and ep 26 end was the best end EVER, Anime or otherwise.

I am not a downer. I am realistic about it. Not everything is great and dandy. I have the same views on television here in the States.

I will disagree with your view on what Bebop was about. If it was about what you said then they did a shitty job of it. The only episodes that focused on that at all were the first vicious episode, 12,13,25 and 26. What else shows what you say? Everything is just the random events of the bounty hunters and their struggle to just get by...and in a funny way :)

If you wonder why I find so much bad and dissappointing it is because I expect a lot more out of it. I expect a lot out of movies and TV also and this is no different. It can be good and even great but like everything else, it rarely is.

[aeris2001x2]

the seris was imho, one of the deepest ever. ep 1, 6, 10, 15, 16, 18, 20, 22, 23 and 24 all had incrediable emotional and philosophic moments. most to do with Spike and the way he forever lives his life with such a terrible burden...but other characters also involved.

the greatness of Bebop is its subtle deepness. The philosophy does not encroach on the watcher, if they dont want an Evangelion, then they have a fantastic action packed comedic romp.

However for those who want to read betwen the lines and find divinity, then it is there. The Vicious/Spike/Julia relationship is never fully explained, you have to work things out yourself. You see the evolution of the bounty hunters relationships. you see Spike's very subtle decline into depression...he did not stop falling from the church in ep 5. You have to have watched it as much as i have perhaps to see it, but it is there. If u want me to explain this deepness i will.

but basically this Anime is just incrediable. it Fuses comedy and drama, action and philosophy, Eva and Nadesico, to create the most incrediable tv seris ever. if i was not such an Eva whore, then Bebop would be my number 1 Anime.

Even if u do not see it your self, then thats fare enough. its your loss i suppose, interpretation is a strange thing. but Bebop would not be in my top ten animes if i did not find emotion and depth throughout.

[fire_of_avalon]

I didn't like Trigun. It's true, I let myself be colored by the early episodes which I found to be ANNOYING AS ALL GET OUT, and didn't stick through. I hear it got quite good. But I refuse to watch it. It just hurts :(

[edczxcvbnm]

I am chalking your Bebop stuff into the catagory of 'Looking too much into nothing'. The series is just as much about the other hunters as it is about spike. They all had their past and they all resolved it by the series end. By focusing on Spike you limit the view and thus find meaning where none was meant to be found.

Its just like that one beatles song 'I am the eggman, you are the walarus...KOO-Koo-KACHOU!' I am not sure if those are the real lyrics or not but they illistrait my point. People for years talked about the deeper meaning of the song like it had one. The song has no meaning(as stated by the beatles). People just found meaning where there really was none.

Not everything is written with the deeper meaning in mind and this is one of those cases.

[TheAbominatrix]

"I am the eggman, they are they eggmen, I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob."

xD

[DMKA]

"I am the eggman, they are they eggmen, I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob."

xD
OMG I SEE THE YELLOW CUSTARD DRIPPING FROM THE DEAD DOG'S EYE! :eek:

Yeah I remember when I saw the recording when they said it had no meaning...my dad says they "just said that because they wanted people to find it for themselves"...heh.

I guess thats a possibility with Bebop...but meh, does it really matter? People enjoying it and what they do get from it is all that matters IMO.

[aeris2001x2]

I am chalking your Bebop stuff into the catagory of 'Looking too much into nothing'. The series is just as much about the other hunters as it is about spike. They all had their past and they all resolved it by the series end. By focusing on Spike you limit the view and thus find meaning where none was meant to be found.

Its just like that one beatles song 'I am the eggman, you are the walarus...KOO-Koo-KACHOU!' I am not sure if those are the real lyrics or not but they illistrait my point. People for years talked about the deeper meaning of the song like it had one. The song has no meaning(as stated by the beatles). People just found meaning where there really was none.

Not everything is written with the deeper meaning in mind and this is one of those cases.

:confused: .I do not recall concentrating only on Spike. i mentioned every character had a personal journey.

and no, the deepness is compliatlely there.Dont dismiss it just because you do not see it. Bebop is a deep philosophical Anime. One day if i ever finish my degree, i will write a big essay on Animes like Bebop, Evangelion, GITS, etc.

and that beetles song is utter crap imho. Even if it had meaning, it does not stop it sucking. Bebop has meaning, but also succeeds as being a fun Anime. That is its true genius.

[Ancient Goddess]

Yeah, I agree with those that are defending Cowboy Bebop. It has emotion and Vicious was a key character within it. To remove him from it would be...just wrong.

Excel Saga is only good in Japanese, btw.

Some disappointing anime for me were:

Lodoss Wars: I have no clue how my sister got me to sit down and watch that mess...but it was extremely boring and made me really want to clock her on the side of her head when I was done with it.

.Hack//sign: For the same reasons that have been said. Ultimate boring with only 6 episodes (estimation) of action within it. The rest of the series was when they sat down to talk about the action.

Evangellion: Was awesome in the beginning, but was so depressing, that I didn't even bother finishing it. I got to the 2nd to last ep in the series and quit. And from what I understand, the ending wasn't that good either.

Azumanga Daihoh: I didn't even get past the first episode. It was too...I don't know what word I should use....My sister said it was supposed to be funny. Ha. Right.

[DMKA]

Excel Saga is only good in Japanese, btw.
Yeah...I heard Excel's dub voice a few days ago and holy crap. :cry:

[fire_of_avalon]

I just finally finished BeBop today. I think it does have a certain depth to it in some episodes, but it also pokes fun at the deep animes (the episode with the cowboy in it, when the bomber guy has these grandiose reasons for doing what he does). All in all, I think BeBop is about story-telling. Each episode (or sometimes set of episodes) introduced new characters and told a completely different story. I think the ending was a little cliché, but it did preserve the viewers idea of who Spike was. And it told his story well, I think.

Did I say Trigun disappointed me? I did. But I liked BeBop.

[TheAbominatrix]

and that beetles song is utter crap imho. Even if it had meaning, it does not stop it sucking. Bebop has meaning, but also succeeds as being a fun Anime. That is its true genius.

Ed's point is that people will try to find meaning in everything, and that you're seeming to do the same with Bebop. Bebop may have a lot of meaning, and it may be something you're reading into. I say stop worrying about deep meanings and just enjoy the show. The Beatles' songs are the same... some have deep meaning, like Blackbird (which Paul wrote about the black civil rights movement) and some are just nonsense, fun songs for the heck of it. No matter what meaning the listener (or in Bebop's case, the watcher), derives from it, the only one who has any true say on that are the creators. So no matter how much Charles Manson insists that Helter Skelter was the Beatles' warning of the coming race wars, it doesnt input any meaning. You can say Bebop has some great meaning as much as you want, but that doesnt inject the meaning into the show. It remains with you.

Not that I'm saying it does or doesnt, I have my own opinions of the meaning (or lack their of) of Bebop.

And Ancient Goddess, how can you not like Azumanga Daioh? I nearly wet myself laughing at that show! xD

[Peegee]

aeris2k1 did you watch the dubbed exel saga eps?

I don't know if there's any animes that were 'hyped' -- I only watch animes based on 1) randomness 2) suggestions 3) old animes I've been meaning to watch. So I guess #2 falls in that category of 'hype', and I haven't watched any that weren't.

So in theory I like all animes I've watched...which is not exactly true.

[aeris2001x2]

yeah Excel Saga was on the sci-fi channel. Yeah the dub was terrible, but it was never the dub that made me not like it. I just did not like the show as a whole (despite some class later episodes).

Yeah i agree TheAbominatrix, it is interpretation. But i felt he was saying it was not there, all i was reading into it too much. In other words, that my opinion was false. I guess he was not, but i read too much into his comments...(doh, how ironic :) .)


*Evangellion: Was awesome in the beginning, but was so depressing, that I didn't even bother finishing it. I got to the 2nd to last ep in the series and quit. And from what I understand, the ending wasn't that good either.*

Lol, that is probably why i loved it, its depressing. for me, it started off...good, but not great. Its from ep 14 that it really runs rampant.

And both the ep end and movie end i found to rock. Do not watch EoE though...that is the most depressing thing i,ve ever seen.

[Agent Proto]

You'll need to watch past the first episode of Azumanga Daioh. It's absolutely wonderful. You'll not only find it funny, but you'll also find each character unique and that what makes AD wonderful and appealing.

[Ancient Goddess]

*Evangellion: Was awesome in the beginning, but was so depressing, that I didn't even bother finishing it. I got to the 2nd to last ep in the series and quit. And from what I understand, the ending wasn't that good either.*

Lol, that is probably why i loved it, its depressing. for me, it started off...good, but not great. Its from ep 14 that it really runs rampant.

And both the ep end and movie end i found to rock. Do not watch EoE though...that is the most depressing thing i,ve ever seen.


Yeah, I like dark stuff too...but the only reason I didn't like Evangellion's dark content was because they laid it on so thick. The really only good characters in there were Asuka and the penguin (I loved that little guy). I could care less about Shinji and Rei as well as the others.


You'll need to watch past the first episode of Azumanga Daioh. It's absolutely wonderful. You'll not only find it funny, but you'll also find each character unique and that what makes AD wonderful and appealing.

I'm the kind of person that needs to be drawn in by the first ep. If it seems pointless to me from the beginning, I'll quit. But I'll take your word that it's a decent anime. My sis really loves it and that strange cat (I saw another episode with him in it and it was.......strange, but not as funny as she thought it was). But other than that, it didn't appeal to me.