Xenosaga Episode II

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: Let's just make this the "official" thread on Xenosaga Episode II. Talk about anything related to Xenosaga Episode II ie. what you are expecting it could be like, or any recent news that came out. Over the time, i will be posting the recent developments on XS II in this thread.

Rubedo: If you want, you can also share some screenshots about the new game in this thread, or discuss mysteries between certain characters, and your favorite villan from the game.

Albedo: *Laughs maniacally* Although, you shouldn't spam this thread up with off topicness...

Trowa: *Sits and stares and sits and stares and sits and stares*

[TasteyPies]

Yay! PICTURES!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Tasteypies/xenosaga2251Chaos1.jpg

Bust a groove Jr.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Tasteypies/xenosaga2104MOMO1.jpg

Oops, arrow in your stomach! what me?! I'm just a little girl!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Tasteypies/xenosaga2014Bandaid1.jpg

Yes, please, a box of bandaids and a beef stick. Im at pump number 3.

[edczxcvbnm]

I hope they package in Xenofreaks considering Episode 1 sold better in the states than it did in Japan.

[Trumpet Thief]

NEWS REPORT # 1

chaos: A lot of stuff to cover. Sadly, I will have to post a lot of stuff...

Official Release Date and Review

The release date of Xenosaga Episode II, is going to be somewhere around the date of February 2005. Knowing Namco, it might be released later, and as Final Fantasy XII is being released on the same month, might it cause a greater rivalry between Monolith and Square Enix? According to current reviews about Xenosaga II from played demo's, and people that have actually played the game it has been given a 70% maximum mark. Although, all of this might change as many other gamers decide to play XS II when it is released. Zenosaga (www.zenosaga.com).com has exclusive information on XS II, and have given a preview/review on the game. A very detailed one in fact. It also has character biographies, and things on the AGWS.

Characters

There are many characters in XSII, the "main" ones are:

Rubedo- He will play a large role in this game, and will have his own side story with the other two URTV's Albedo and Nigredo. He is claimed to be the main character, as the story seems to be revolving around him in the game...

Shion- She has a new look in this game, once she loses her glasses. She returns to second Miltia, and meets up with her brother. She is still given a large role in this game, but not as big as the one in the first game...

chaos- The mystery behind him still lurks in this game. Although, you can find out that he and Wilheim have a rivalry which may have lasted for a very long time. Their designs are very similar too. More of his past will be revealed in newer Xenosaga games...

Canaan- Canaan is a realian that seemed to have leped chaos save others in the past. More will be revealed of him later...

Jin- Yaep, Shion's badass looking brother. Apparently, he has had a rivalry with Margulis, and it will go out through the whole game. He seems to play a very large role in this game...

Ziggy/Ziggarat8- He's back in this game too, except, a bit more minor than the first one. But still, he does play a vital role in the game's plot. Apparently, he meets up with Ms. Mizrahi with MOMO. Wonder how things will turn out?

KOS-MOS- Shion isn't the only one that got a new look! KOS-MOs, now having a more slender body, is going to be quite important in this game, especially to Wilheim...

MOMO- Xenosaga II changed a lot of people's looks, and MOMO was one that had it done greater than the others. Looking a lot older, and with a new weapon, MOMO meets up with her creator that doesn't love her, Juli...

Sakura- MOMO was based on this girl, Joachim's daughter, who sadly died. Now she lives in her own dream area, a nice peaceful setting and a home. She is a great part of the storyline.

Margulis- The one holding a large grudge against Jin is in this game, with the same wicked cool looks he used to have. Now we realize who he really bows down to now in this game...

Pellegri- The woman that had almost no use in the first game, is now playing a larger role in Episode II. Maybe even more than Margulis, as she decides to take matters into her own hands...

Nigredo- The URTV possesed by Dr.Yuriev plays a role as large as the one he played in the first one. Jr's so called brother, and one of the surviving URTV's...

Albedo- # 669 isn't happy about the past, and what happened to him thanks to the song of Nephilim. Now, the diabolical villan, who did acts unimaginable in the first game, continues his tendency, and returns in this game, with a cooler type look later on in this game. He will probably be given the title of "Main villan" of Episode II...

Wilheim- The calm and controlled leader of Vector. He has many pawns in his hands, that are very powerful indeed. This rising menace might be the great enemy of the Xenosaga series...

AGWS and Battle

The AGWS, which have now been given a better design, will be playing a way larger role in this game, rather than being those weak, slow machines that you never, EVER want to use, like in the first game. The AGWS can only be used in select fights, and can never be disembarked by will, yet, are left as a part of the story. Lets put it this way, AGWS cannot be boarded and left at will, yet the storyline chooses when an AGWS will be in battle. Now, the so-called "improved" battle system comes into play. First of all, it will not be such a tedious task to destroy an enemy. Xenosaga II's battle system has speeded up, and is not like the slow XSI battle system. But, one thing that is slower, is the loading time. If you thought getting into a battle, or a boss fight in Episode I was hard, Xenosga II takes way more time. The screen of battle gradually comes into view, and takes about thirteen seconds, if not, more. Forgivable? Who Knows?

Screenshots

Here are some screenshots that you can ponder on :D

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20040123/ep213.jpg
Rubedo knocking Allen over, relusting in the destruction of Shion's glasses.. Thank god he did that, or else Shion would still look like a nerd..

http://www.gaming-media.com/rpg/xenosaga-ep2/images/07-21-03/xenosagaep2-ss01.jpg
Albedo doing crazy stuff in his AGWS, Simeon

http://www.gaming-media.com/rpg/xenosaga-ep2/images/07-21-03/xenosagaep2-ss12.jpg
Jin looking badass, as usual :p

http://img.gamekult.com/photos/00/00/42/12/ME0000421201_2.jpg
The Battle Screen

http://ruliweb.intizen.com/data/news4/10m/06/ps2/xeno10.jpg
Did you get your revenge yet, Albedo?

http://media.playstationpro2.com/download/xeno.jpg
Our first look at a new KOSMOS

http://www.allrpg.com/games/xenosaga2/logo.jpg
The official logo of Xenosaga Episode II

http://ruliweb.intizen.com/data/news4/10m/06/ps2/xeno04.jpg
He's gonna do something powerful...

Miscallaneous and Links

Not much goes under here, besides what you get from loading the clear data from playing Episode I. You guessed it, swimsuits for everybody! The designs on the people seem improved and more detailed. And for once, you can see KOSMOS and Ziggy in them. That just largens the greatness of the game. Another secret that may make fans quite excited about the game is that, now, when you load the clear data, you get access to an epilouge that isn't too short, yet not too long. Many bosses appear in the Epilouge, plus, Gnosis' power beyond your wildest dreams!

To find out more about the upcoming RPG, perhaps you should check out these sites:

www.zenosaga.com- probably the best site for any Xenogears/Xenosaga info. Live coverage of a lot of things. The only downfall is that they have cancelled registration :(

www.rpgamer.com- Yes, they have revealed quite a lot of information on this game, and normally have a lot of information in their Japandemonium, etc. Apparently, Xenosaga II is one of their most important things to find out news about.

www.gamespot.com- Not too much news on Xenosaga II, but a load of movies that can get you more enticed about the game, and things about it. A decent amount of screenshots comes with that.

www.ign.com- This site has a lot of screenshots and movies for Xenosaga. Check out their gameplay movies and trailers. A great source for some Xenosaga stuff.

http://www.namco-ch.net/xenosaga2/chrs/index.html- Look, I know the site is in Japanese, but the screens are pretty cool!

[Trumpet Thief]

Rubedo: Boy do I rock!

Trowa: Updates to News:

Links section added
Screenshots added

[edczxcvbnm]

I am a member of zenosaga as well as LH. If you want I will make a thread about it the next time registration opens up.

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: Umm.. since you are registered, could you consider me as a "friend" that you can let join? 'Cause it says that if you are friends with someone that is a member, you can join, or something like that?

-Thanks!

[edczxcvbnm]

Really? I need to ask that and I just realized that EoFF wouldn't let me post said thread in question. Let me look into that and then get back to you on it.

[TasteyPies]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Tasteypies/xenosaga2157Chaosandchums1.jpg

Hope you don't mind, I brought some friends with too. Your into that right?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Tasteypies/xenosaga2169Shotofjrlookinglesbian1.jpg

I dunno, he kinda looks like a lesbian...BUT WHATS THAT?! You get to use shions bad-arse brother in battle? AWESOME!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Tasteypies/xenosaga2176Sexyshion1.jpg

Shion + brown hair - glasses = sexy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Tasteypies/xenosaga2170lesbo1.jpg

Come on...he does look like a lesbian.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Tasteypies/xenosaga2185graphics1.jpg

Wow...I...love..new...graphics...and...scenery...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Tasteypies/xenosaga2193KOSMOS1.jpg

Oooooooh pretty.
KOS-MOS ditched the headgear.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Tasteypies/xenosaga2184glasses1.jpg

About those glasses.....I can fix that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Tasteypies/xenosaga2106battle1.jpg

Double teaming? maybe we have something fun and exiting in the battle system. (Chrono trigger fans will love this)

[master01]

looks great!

[Shoeberto]

Motherlover I want this game.
I still need to beat episode 1, though. Damn big robot thingy.

[SomethingBig]

I'll admit that I'm more excited about Xenosaga II than I am about FFXII.

[TasteyPies]

I'll admit that I'm more excited about Xenosaga II than I am about FFXII.

You are not alone.

[SomethingBig]

Xenosaga is really starting to grow on me and is catching up with the FF series. The only real reason that Xenosaga isn't as "popular" is because FF has been around longer and Square is such a big name to contend with that people tend to become biased.

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: What did everyone think about my report? :D

[Trumpet Thief]

NEWS UPDATE # 2

chaos: Well, we don't want this thread to die, plus, Xenosaga II is leaking out more information, so, let's get started!

About the Review

Recently, Zenosaga.com had written a review (http://zenosaga.com/news/?newsID=59) for Xenosaga Episode II. Is it that we were perhaps expecting too much? A statement by them will probably keep us dissapointed, saying "If you are expecting the mysteries of Episode I to be resolved, don’t keep your hopes up too high." Looks like we will probably stay confused until the newer Episodes come out. Also mentioned by them was that Xenosaga Episode II will create more mysteries of it's own. Well, our brains are going to ache now, that's for sure.

You think that's dissapointing. The final review score was a six. Surely it could've gained better. Here are more detailed scores for the game, according to Zenosaga.com (www.zenosaga.com)

Story 4.5/10
Characters 6/10
Presentation 5/10
Gameplay 5.5/10
Cinematics 8/10
Graphics 8/10
Sound 4/10

I bet I know what you are thinking... How could've it possibly scored so low on the storyline factor. From what I've heard so far, Zenosaga.com could quite possibly be giving the opposite of what Xenosaga II actually is. The score might go up as more people experience playing the game.

Next thing that comes to mind in the review in the graphics, which have already been explained as "beautiful" and the character designs were great too. Shion's tranformation probably stunned me the most. And I'm truly happy she changed. Same with Rubedo and MOMO, now looking more older, and not like mere children. chaos still looks pretty much the same, but still really cool. Ziggy seems exactly the same to me. And KOSMOS changed drastically too. Now a more slender look, without the helmet. I'd say it looks good :D

Although, the development was a different story in Zenosaga's eyes. Apparently, Xenosaga "lacks any essential character development. If you were to compare the character development of Episode II to another game, then it would be comparable to the “Beach flashback” scene found in SquareEnix’s Final Fantasy VIII for the original PlayStation. With the exception to Rubedo, Nigredo, and Albedo, the characters of Episode II are very formulaic and static." Well then, at least we won't be dissapointed in the villan, Albedo. They had also complimented the side story of the three URTV's, saying that it was probably the greatest part of the game. Well, from what I've seen it probably is.

Gameplay was recieved quite a lot of criticism. It was said that it was even worse than Episode I's. And the battle system was "almost" as bad as the first ones. Xenosaga II apparently doesn't have too much freedom, and is more of a "go here, done, go there, done" type of game. No sidequests and stuff. Well, maybe there are. We'll have to figure that out for ourselves when we get the game though...

Sadly, when it comes to music, we cannot say too many good things. There are ups and downs to this. Although, I will put in my personal opinion for this one. Yuki is a great composer, although, Yasunori was the one suited for Xenosaga. I can never forget that evil tune for Albedo composed by him. Frightening music in the background, while an opera starts. Right when Albedo was about to torment MOMO. Getting rid of Yasunori was a big mistake.

"The music of Episode II can be summarized as a medley of upbeat, rock, techno and pop. You either absolutely love the individual scores, or you hated it. Unlike Episode I where Mitsuda composed the entire score by himself through many sleepless nights, Episode II’s score was compiled by two composers: Yuki Kajiura and Shinji Hosoe. Fans of Episode I complained about the lack of background music in the gameplay. Episode II delivers background music which was composed by Shinji Hosoe. The background music sounds like early 90’s techno music and is quite dull, repetitive and generic for the most part. There is nothing spectacular about the background music to comment on." According to this paragraph, Zenosaga agrees about the mistake of getting rid of Yasunori. Although music does play everywhere, the theme gets quite repetitive. Also, the upbeat style should have more of a mixture, with sadder and eviler tunes, etc. Although, in my opinion, the vocal scores have been quite impressive.

Well, that's the summary of the great review written by Zenosaga. Kudos to them!

Xenosaga II facts

Well, some of these might be dissapointing, but I have to state them otherwise.

First of all, Xenosaga Episode II will NOT have any final boss music, yet it will have an average battle theme, and a boss theme, according to TTT. Sad isn't it? I would've rather liked XSI's style, rather than this. Final boss music is important...

Next thing, which is a bit more cheery is that there will be more than 100 skills with whihc you can customize your characters, plus the battle system is said to be enhanced, meaning that you can pull off double attacks.

Also, Xenosaga II will have two discs, the first one being quite short, and the second one at a good length.

The next fact is a huge spoiler about who the final boss is, and some of the ending. If you really want to know, read the spoiler... Technically, there are two final bosses, but the "final" one, shouldn't really count. I will explain why later. The Pope Ormus will be the second final boss, but, should be considered the final boss, as it is the actually true hard fight. Once he is defeated, Rubedo will come face to face with none other than Albedo. Some ending spoilers are ahead, so you should be warned. Rubedo will confront Albedo in a final fight. Most of the fight, Albedo will just be taunting Rubedo. Plus, his weakness is related to Rubedo's attacks. A very easy fight. Once you defeat him, he will cast eternal link on you, and your HP will be down to 1. At least he went out with a bang. Do not think this is the end of Albedo, cause that would be just horrible. Like Kevin and Virgil and Hunter, Albedo will become a testament. A white one to be exact. Now we're clear on who the real enemy is... Wilheim!

Screenshots

Yaep, you guessed it! Even more screenshots! Yay!

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2004/01/23/h-104_20442_ps2_xenosaga2_3hou.jpg.jpg
Double Team!

http://membres.lycos.fr/satetrithytwo/images/maj0151/XS2-07.jpg
She looks... kinda creepy...

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/screen0/917917_20031121_screen055.jpg
Speaking of me not loving MOMO...

http://www.allrpg.com/games/xenosaga2/images/13.jpg
Wow, a looking mech....

http://www.gamingworldx.com/ps2/images/xenoii2.jpg
Wow, some more cool looking mechs...

http://www.gamingworldx.com/ps2/images/xenoii4.jpg
Oh, my mistake, they are called AGWS...

http://bonusweb.idnes.cz/obrazek/ps2_xenosaga2_scrm01.jpg
We know you did it... don't try to lie...

http://www.intoliquidsky.net/graphics/unc/unc_xenosaga2.jpg
Nope, I still don't love you MOMO...



Rubedo: That's all for now folks!

[Wanderlust]

I haven't heard much about this game until now...I still have to beat the first Xenosaga, though..:/ Why did they change Shion's hair? It looks better...but...why?

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: Well, probably because she looked more like a geek in the first style of her hair. She looks way hotter now :p

[TasteyPies]

Maybe the color was effected during the part where she saves everyone by jumping in front of the ship while they were plunging towards the earth.

At least thats why the mask was kaput.

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: That was KOSMOS. She was asking about Shion.

[TasteyPies]

Oh.....maybe she dyed it.

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: Thank god they made her lose the glasses though....

Rubedo: Also, I still believe that the Xenosaga series deserves it's own section. It somehow belongs to SE considering Monolith Soft used to be a part of them. Plus, there will be six games in the series, and for one section, it deserves it. Anyone with me here?

[TasteyPies]

I agree

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: Yeah, we should start a petition or something about it...

Rubedo: But sadly, it won't happen. Even though there are many fans of Xenosaga on the boards, for example:

TTT, Jalbrean, TasteyPies, Rubedo, edczxcvbnm, master01, Hsu, SomethingBig, lon611, wanderlust, Ultima Shadow, demonsdragon, Sephiroth1999AD, The Captain, Zaphier, princeofdarknez, Blank, Elhaym, Aranel, Lord Chainsaw, Behold the Void, Doomgaze, Shahal, Erased, black orb, chu52, Wilder, Storm, Omega x, CloudDragon, Bahamut2000X, Rayn, Imperia, darkchrono, CVFreak, GrandmasterLH, BatChao, Sephiroth2088, Avalon_Beouvle07, Mr.Graves, noname, and many more!

[TasteyPies]

And as everyone knows, rubedo counts for like....80 people.

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: Yes indeed!

Albedo: *Laughs maniacally*

Trowa: *Sits and stares and sits and stares and sits and stares*

[ZeZipster]

I haven't finished the first one.. I lent it out and lost interest...


I'll have to get around to beating it and some other RPGs...

[Shoeberto]

I've been working to beat it lately. Last night I had Sophie Pethos down to around 200HP and that bitch used a beam that wiped my whole party out at full HP.

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: Dark Omen, right? That does a solid 1000 damage. Try to beat it, the ending is great.

[Shoeberto]

I'm pretty much dedicating my weekend to it. I'm going to try using some EATK down attacks against it...I think KOS-MOS has some that are effective against gnosis.

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: There is one item that can save your butt, and you can get it from the casino passport. Try racking up a lot of points in the casino, and, you can exchange them for the bravesoul. Equip it to chaos, and make sure he has the double buster, available in a segment address at the beginning of the KOSMOS simulator for chaos and Shion. chaos will probably do about 3000 each turn.

Rubedo: And don't forget to keep training, it works wonders!

[Shoeberto]

Wow, 3000 each turn? I'm lucky to get him to do 500 a turn with Angel Blow at about level 5 or 6.

edit: Is there even a way to return to the Elsa after beating Proto Dora? I think I tried to go back after beating it to save but I couldn't find a place to get back up on the catwalk.

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: Yes there is, but I forgot.

Rubedo: Consult Gamefaqs for the answer...

[TasteyPies]

To me Chaos was kinda, lame.

The short shorts and feathery attacks, I rarely ever used him.

My ideal team

Jr. / MoMo
Shion
Kos-mos

Open...ether...CIRCUT

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: He gets cooler in the game. Once the rivalry between him and Wilheim comes into play, things start getting Awesome!

Rubedo: Plus, he goes into dillema of good and evil in the second one somewhere. Or if you are talking battle-wise, we was still pretty powerful, although his attacks were kinda corny.

[TasteyPies]

Very corny

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: Alright, I'll admit that hurling snowballs at people was kind of stupid...

Rubedo: But the damage was very decent :D

chaos: So, I guess you could say that you have to sacrifice your sanity for doing great damage...

[TasteyPies]

So, do you think Jr. looks like a lesbian here?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Tasteypies/xenosaga2169Shotofjrlookinglesbian1.jpg

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: It depends on the angle sometimes. Before the game was released, we thought he was MOMO :D

Rubedo: Well... You have to get used to me in the games to not think I am a lesbian. But the earrings just make it worse...

[Ouch!]

Jr. and chaos were my favorite characters. I'm glad to hear that chaos will get some character developement, but the Rubedo, Nigredo and Albedo major character developement makes me very, very happy.

I'd sign any petition to get a Xenosaga section, but seeing as it's not a SE game, the chances are very, very unlikely. But if we bother them about it for a long time (like they did with the KH section) it might happen. That, or they'll ban all of us.

I really need to finish up my second play-through of the game.

One question, when you use your save file, what exactly does it bring over? I can imagine that with the different battle system, that some of the abilities may be different or no longer exist? Will it just bring over your current levels? What's up with that?

[TasteyPies]

Give me Xenosaga or give me ban

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: If any of you want, I will spoil what happens to Albedo and Wilheim in the game. Aw screw it, I will.... Wilheim will probably be the main bad guy as Kevin, Virgil, Voyager, and ALBEDO will be his testaments. After Albedo is killed by Jr. in the final battle, he will belong to Wilheim as the White testament...

Rubedo: As for banning us, then all our fans will, and they will die, and so forth until everyone is banned. Besides, technically, it is a part of SE because monolith soft used to be a part of it, and Xenogears is part 5 of Xenosaga, thus far, Xenosaga is a part of SE..

[Ouch!]

I am so tempted to read all your spoilers, but I want to be surprised in the game... must... use... will power...

As for the reviews, I think it's very unfair to review a game like Xenosaga Ep. II so poorly. What can you expect? Everything has to be fairly gradual if they're going to make six installments.

As for Xenogears being Ep. V, are they going to remake it? I only played the beginning of the game, and I generally didn't like the battle system, so if they're going to remake it, I can always wait a couple years...

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: I think they might remake it, or leave it the way they are. I am not sure though.

Rubedo: I agree that Zenosaga shouldn't have given it a mark so poor.

[The Triumphant Hero]

I liked the original, but I have 2 complaints- the developers seemed obsessed with German, and too many people with -edo at the end of the name. All in all, I am looking forward to Xenosaga 2: Beyond Good and Evil(I got my brother to translate it for me)

[Ouch!]

...and too many people with -edo at the end of the name. All in all, I am looking forward to Xenosaga 2: Beyond Good and Evil(I got my brother to translate it for me)
I would have to guess that the URTVs are named like that for a reason. Rubedo, Nigredo, Albedo, that's not coincidence.

What's wrong with German? German is awesome. Der Wille zur Macht sounds [i]so[/t] much cooler than the Will to Power. Of course, I probably say this because I have a mild understanding of the German language.

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: The title's of the games were also based on Nietchze's books, same goes with the storyline. It was German because Nietchze was German...

Kid Albedo: *smiles happily*

Trowa: *Sits and stares and sits and stares*

[Shoeberto]

I am so tempted to read all your spoilers, but I want to be surprised in the game... must... use... will power...

As for the reviews, I think it's very unfair to review a game like Xenosaga Ep. II so poorly. What can you expect? Everything has to be fairly gradual if they're going to make six installments.

As for Xenogears being Ep. V, are they going to remake it? I only played the beginning of the game, and I generally didn't like the battle system, so if they're going to remake it, I can always wait a couple years...
I remember hearing something about how it's property of SE, so Namco can't really do a straight remake of it. There'd have to be a lot of things changed.

And I really loved the battle system in Gears. I was kinda disappointed when I played Saga that it didn't have the same fighting style on-foot and that you couldn't have seperate styles of battle for on-foot and in-gear. Gears > AGWS.

[Trumpet Thief]

Trumpet Thief: *Runs off holding Trumpet* Any new info on XSII? I'm too lazy to check it out myself.

[Triple T]

The reason the names of URTVs end with -edo is because it's the colors in another language. I forgot which one, probably Latin. Oh well...


O_O Ok, you made a Xenosaga thread... without telling me!?! Watch out when you get on MSN. >=o

[Trumpet Thief]

The reason the names of URTVs end with -edo is because it's the colors in another language. I forgot which one, probably Latin. Oh well...


O_O Ok, you made a Xenosaga thread... without telling me!?! Watch out when you get on MSN. >=o

chaos: :cool:

[Triple T]

chaos: :cool:

You're askin' for it, you know? :)