Why square? Why?

[Lord_Seymour]

Why are they doing this to us? Does anyone know why squaresoft or square-enix or whatever are being so sadistic? First there were all the rumors. You know, I had no idea about FF7: Advent Children until one day I stumbled onto it on kazaa looking for FF mv's, and when I actually downloaded and watched a dude with spiky blond hair and a big ass sword riding a motorbike in what looked like a city id seen before, realization dawned on my soul and I screamed and blubbered like a child. I thought I was watching a fmv sequence from a FF sequel, when I found out it was going to be a movie it was disappointing but still okay. Ever since then I've been hyped up getting every bit of juice I can, and now, what’s all this rubbish about FF7: Dirge of Cerberus? Why must square torment us with these.... false truths? They made an awesome game a few years ago called Final Fantasy 7, all we wanted was the same thing with better graphics and some new twist with materia, not Vincent hyped up on anti-depressants killing what look like shinra soldiers, with a DMC looking engine. Its not ff7 anymore, please everyone who disagrees with a remake of the original with better graphics (not that the eye candy makes a game) with a more ff-X battle approach? Spheres are just another derivate of materia anyway... just like the stones and crystals in FFIX. Please square, give us, or me, ill pay you a million bucks to make me a RPG ff7 sequel.

Sorry if not alot of that makes sense but its 3am.

[Turk]

Edit by Kishi: Hardly kosher material, that.

[Dante WolfWood]

oh gosh...to you and EVERYONE ELSE COMPLAINING...It's Square's game, they can do WHATEVER the hell they want to it...I mean, c'mon, them trying something new isnt GONNA HURT damn it. If they wasn't gonna do anything new, you would then complain about them running out of ideas! all square is trying to do is open up to new customers, introduce old school fans to new type of gaming, and MOST IMPORTANT(no matter how much you reject it) MAKE MORE MONEY!!!!
get over it!

[TasteyPies]

Wait for it to come out, play it the whole way through, then complain. Don't knock DOC untill you've tried it.

[BackRoomKid]

Edit by Kishi: Hardly kosher material, that.

lmfao

[Craig]

*Sigh* I've said it beforte and it looks like i'll say it again:

Squenix are the E-X-P-E-R-T-S Every problem you can think of with this game they have probably sat around a table eating muffins discussing how to get around it.

E-X-P-E-R-T-S sheesh!

[TheAbominatrix]

If you dont like it, dont buy it. Is that such a foreign concept?

[TasteyPies]

If you dont like it, dont buy it. Is that such a foreign concept?

She is saying that they should work on a new version of ff7 instead of making movies and and action games.

[Big D]

She is saying that they should work on a new version of ff7 instead of making movies and and action games.*He

Square would have to make about a million different products if they wanted to satisfy everyone's unique desires for the FF series.

"OMG! Advent Children is a movie, not a game! THIS IS NOT FFVII!"

"OMG! Dirge of Cerberus is an action game, not an RPG! THIS IS NOT FFVII!"

"OMG! Cloud isn't in Dirge of Cerberus! THIS IS NOT FFVII!"

"OMG! There might not be Materia in Dirge of Cerberus! THIS IS NOT FFVII!"

"OMG! They're making another sequel! THIS IS NOT FF!"

...and so forth.
Bascially, some people won't be happy unless FFVII gets remade; some people would be angry if FFVII was remade. Some want sequels, some despise the idea. Square-Enix cannot make everyone happy; it's simply not possible.

[Blue Typhoon]

People talk about FF7 like it is the second coming or something. Its pathetic -_-

[Lord_Seymour]

How many of you enjoyed FF7? How many of you actually finished the game? Be honest. I have, and it’s quite easily the best game around, still. To me anyway. I have only ever expressed my opinion, which I should have stated in my first post (it was 3am) more reverently. But think about it, how many people want a sequel to final fantasy seven? I do, ill buy doc, but its not the same thing, its not going to convey the same feelings, I was not dissing the game I was just saying that its not going to be like the original (not just the genre) and I'm not having a go at square, I love the company, so don’t twist my meaning. But it’s like every time FF7 is mentioned by square it’s never in the context that MOST people want. Put your hand up if you would love a remake? Don’t have a go at me, tell me, honestly, if you enjoyed FF7 would u not also enjoy a remake with nice eye-candy and character voices? I would, because it would do it justice. FF7 deserves a face lift if any game ever did.

Whether you spit or swallow that’s what I think.

[Dante WolfWood]

I dont square ever eally intended to make a ACTUAL SEQUEL TO ff7...but hey, milk iit all out for what its worth, so instead of making an actual sequel, they made spinoffs and a movie....Maybe they thought making a REAL sequel would be way over the line or better yet...They're building the plot for the actual SEQUEL! I mean, has anyone ever thought of that? Maybe they used the movie, online, and action to get almost EVERYONE hooked to buy the upcoming new game...but hey, who knows...DoC is just a spin-off.

[Del Murder]

Well, for whatever move a company does there will always be people who complain, and there will always be people who complain about others complaining. All the same, really, and it's just the way life is. Best to just focus on what is important to you and not care what others have to say.

I'm looking forward to DoC, but not the movie because I like playing it not watching it. If Square ever makes a direct game sequel to FFVII I would gladly buy it and likely enjoy it, but in the meantime I have plenty of other things to occupy my time.

[Big D]

How many of you enjoyed FF7? How many of you actually finished the game? Be honest. I have, and it’s quite easily the best game around, still. To me anyway. I have only ever expressed my opinion, which I should have stated in my first post (it was 3am) more reverently. But think about it, how many people want a sequel to final fantasy seven? I do, ill buy doc, but its not the same thing, its not going to convey the same feelings, I was not dissing the game I was just saying that its not going to be like the original (not just the genre) and I'm not having a go at square, I love the company, so don’t twist my meaning. But it’s like every time FF7 is mentioned by square it’s never in the context that MOST people want. Put your hand up if you would love a remake? Don’t have a go at me, tell me, honestly, if you enjoyed FF7 would u not also enjoy a remake with nice eye-candy and character voices? I would, because it would do it justice. FF7 deserves a face lift if any game ever did.

Whether you spit or swallow that’s what I think.I basically agree with most of what you say, except that I don't think a 'face-lift' is really necessary. They'd spend a lot of time and money simply making the game look better; a lot of fans would resent Square expecting them to buy the same game all over again.
When they decided to make AC and DoC, I'm sure they paid a lot of attention to what the fans were asking for:) Sure, not everyone's going to like their ideas, but they wouldn't do something that the majority of people were against.

[TheAbominatrix]

She is saying that they should work on a new version of ff7 instead of making movies and and action games.

Yet my words still apply.

All of this is just Square giving fans what they want. Just like Big D said. They cant make everyone happy.

[Starcrest]

i also agree with BigD and The Abominatrix, it's impossible to make everyone happy

[Loony BoB]

Regarding a remake: One of the things that I enjoyed so much about FFVII was indeed the boxy graphics. It was, in my opinion, the perfect mix between 3D graphics and allowing the gamer to use his/her imagination. Another thing I loved was not having voice-overs, for the same reason. I loved being the character, not watching and listening to him.

As for the sequels and prequels, I don't mind them. Why? Because hey, it's a story, and people have been writing prequels and sequels for years in fanfics and whatnot. I never had any problem with them. So now the company has done the same, but they were able to do it using games and movies. Great! When I look at the prequels and sequels, I think of it as "the perspective of the writers of the games". If I don't like how it goes, I'll just imagine my own different ending. It's not saying YOU MUST AGREE WITH OUR PERSPECTIVE OR DIE. It's a game, it's a story, you can use your imagination as you like.

I don't think they ever had the intention of making the games/movies 'the same' as FFVII. Why would they? They're not FFVII, it's only natural that they should be different. I would hope they still use materia and so forth for consistency in the world, but as for the characters and storyline, it's only logical that they would be different. I doubt SE ever believed they would be able to better FFVII with prequels and sequels. They will, however, know that people enjoyed FFVII so much that they'll jump at the chance to see how SE writes their story. Let's be blunt - they'll make a crapload of cash out of this, and good on them for doing so.

Oh, and yeah, I finished FFVII. I think the majority of people who post in this forum have. It's also my favourite game, so yeah.

On a sidenote, anyone interested in this topic might be interested in the results of the current www.eyesonff.com poll. Unfortunately I tried to check it just now and the poll site was down, but hopefully it'll be back up soon.

[Mo-Nercy]

I know everyone was demanding something in the form of a sequel for FF7 ever since the first screens of FFX-2 were pitched to the public. Apparently, no one could understand why "teh best FF eva" didn't get a sequel.

Now that SE have finally answered the call and have thrown out TWO sequels to Final Fantasy VII, all you can do with them is nitpick and tear it apart. For shame. Not only that but SE have cooked up a good, working marketing plan on these two sequels:
(1) Everyone likes movies. Let's make AC a movie.
(2) Everyone likes Vincent. Let's make him the main character.
They're going to make millions off these two sequels whether you like it or not. There's always going to be a few million people out there that disagree with you and a few of them might even buy two copies just to spite your overly-demanding ass.

Edit: :D <-- Smiley face to establish that I am not as angry as I sound.

[Dante WolfWood]

woah! fierce....

[Wuggly Blight]

people have always asked for a sequal or a remake. Recently with ff10-2 they figured they could get away with it, and scince it was a huge hit, they could milk more money out of it. That will keep cashing in until a better bandwagon comes along, then they will move on from it and start cashing in on that.

[Dante WolfWood]

I know everyone was demanding something in the form of a sequel for FF7 ever since the first screens of FFX-2 were pitched to the public. Apparently, no one could understand why "teh best FF eva" didn't get a sequel.

Now that SE have finally answered the call and have thrown out TWO sequels to Final Fantasy VII, all you can do with them is nitpick and tear it apart. For shame. Not only that but SE have cooked up a good, working marketing plan on these two sequels:
(1) Everyone likes movies. Let's make AC a movie.
(2) Everyone likes Vincent. Let's make him the main character.
They're going to make millions off these two sequels whether you like it or not. There's always going to be a few million people out there that disagree with you and a few of them might even buy two copies just to spite your overly-demanding ass.

Edit: :D <-- Smiley face to establish that I am not as angry as I sound.

damn....liked it better when it was firece! Firece is POWA! :p

[BraSkAs_FiNAl_AeoN]

People talk about FF7 like it is the second coming or something. Its pathetic -_-

ummmmm it isn't?

[Necronopticous]

(before the announcement of Advent Children)

Final Fantasy VII "Fans": Final Fantasy is stupid, why can't they just make more games like Final Fantasy VII? They made a sequal to that crappy Final Fantasy X game... Well I didn't play it but it looked stupid, and it didn't involve a big sword and materia so screw it! WHERE IS OUR FINAL FANTASY VII-2 HUH? I'm gonna keep complaining until I get it, BOOHOOOO

(after the announcement of Advent Children)

Final Fantasy VII "Fans": A DVD??? Final Fantasy X get a whole stupid sequal and Final Fantasy VII, the best game ever made gets a DVD MOVIE!? This is stupid, I hate you Square, at least give us a game, jeez! This whole company is stupid, why don't they make more Final Fantasy VII games!

(after the announcement of Before Crisis)

Final Fantasy VII "Fans": A CELL PHONE GAME!? I hate you Square, you're so stupid, I don't want a lousy cell phone game, give us a DECENT Sequal to Final Fantasy VII! Final Fantasy X, being the crappy game that it was got a console-sequal, why can't Final Fantasy VII? You guys are a bunch of idiots, give us a REAL game!

(after the announcement of Dirge of Cerberus)

WHY are you ruining our perfectly good story with these new games and movies, why can't you just leave Final Fantasy VII alone and give us new stuff you big bunch of sell-outs! You only want money don't you? Not as if every proprietary company ever created in the history of the world has been to raise money, ugh I'm so pissed off! I'm gonna keep complaining! And it MAY NOT BE AN RPG!? JESUS CHRIST! Are you guys idiots or what!? Don't you know that everyone wants a perfect clone of Final Fantasy VII on PS2 with improved graphics!? I HATE YOU SQUARE

(6 months into the future after the announcement of Final Fantasy VII: Replica With Improved Graphics + Sephiroth's Sword Increased in Length by 2 Inches)

Final Fantasy VII "Fans": What the hell? This is the same damn thing you released on PS1??? Are you guys just a bunch of Sell-Outs or something???! I'm not gonna shell out my money for this garbage, who the hell asked for a duplicate! I hate stupid Square, always just doing anything for a quick buck! The least you could do was hire staff to give every fan of Final Fantasy VII a personal, individual back massage!

(8 months into the future at the new Square-Enix back massage parlor with free coupons to those who enjoyed Final Fantasy VII)

Final Fantasy VII "Fans": Square has crossed the line now, look at these sell-out losers with no ideas! Why can't they ever just do what WE ASK THEM!? God I hate this company, what ever happened to the good ol' days when they were making those good games like Final Fantasy VII, and... Well, You know, Final Fantasy VII... on PC! GOD! What happened to them, now all they do is run around like bums trying to milk every dollar they can out of everyone! I HATE THEM DIE SQUARE DIE!!!!

Congratulations! You are a Final Fantasy VII "Fan"

[TheAbominatrix]

ummmmm it isn't?

Not even close.

[Ouch!]

ummmmm it isn't?
TT.TT

I'm goin' with the general consensus. FFVII was good. It's up there with my favorite games of all time. Yet, that doesn't really change anything.

I wasn't really on the bandwagon for sequels, prequels and spinoffs. I liked that the story had an open ending. I liked to be able to dream up an ending for myself, something how I thought it ended. I'd even emerge myself into fanfiction so I could see how other people thought it should end. That was all good and fine. The best thing about the Final Fantasy series was that they weren't connected and they were each individual.

When FFX-2 came along, I was crushed. I thought the ending of FFX was great. I love a sad ending that's presented well. Even when Tidus was underwater and woke up and swam upwards it was still a good ending that kind of gave it an extra spin for you to wonder. I didn't complain a lot about it, at least not here. Sure, if a discussion was brought up, I'd say I was disappointed, but no sense in complaining, right?

Anyways, so when the game came out, I realized that it wasn't really all that bad. Sure, I didn't particularly like the game. I had fun playing, but it's nothing to shout about. That was when I realized it doesn't really matter. It didn't ruin the ending of FFX for me. I still look back on that as one of the best endings out there, though I still don't think the rest of the game is anything to shout about (or whine about for that matter) but it still holds on it's own.


It's a game, it's a story, you can use your imagination as you like.
That's the best it's been put. If you don't like how it turns out, decide you'll stick with the original ending.

If you really think that the sequels, being delivered through different methods (a movie and a shooter) are going to somehow mess up FFVII because they're not an RPG sequel, then don't get them.

Maybe Dante WolfWood is right, maybe they are building us up for a direct RPG sequel, but I highly doubt it.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that there wouldn't be enough substance to make another full RPG sequel. Seriously, if they're putting the sequel into a 1.5 hour (roughly) movie, how could they make a whole RPG out of this? I don't think DoC will do much to further that plot either, I feel it's going to be about Vincent and his own problems.

Well, to each is own. You may not be getting the kind of sequel you want, that's tough luck. Make do. Who knows? Advent Children might become your favorite movie and if you give Dirge of Cerberus a rty, you might love it to death.

[Tanwen Strife]

Ummm... I don't wish to sound out of place or anything but if it annoys you that much, couldn't you just *not* buy them? You'll save your self some money, and keep the ending how you want to.

(personally, I kinda like it being a DVD. I don't have time to become obsessed wish ANOTHER FF game. I need to sleep some time. time to watch DVD-hr and a half. Time to finish game properly - 30-50hrs)

[SomethingBig]

Bah, darn you, Mo Nercy. I wanted to say the things that you said. I also agree with Loony Bob in that voice-overs would ruin the game, though I wouldn't mind spiffed up graphics. I'll admit; I squeeled when I saw Cloud's AC model.

If SE actually created a remake of FFVII with new age graphics and voice overs, it'd take a darn long time and they would have to delay production of the succeeding FF, which would anger a significant amount of fans. Whenever someone gives people what they want, the people complain and whine, regardless of the giver's generosity. FF fans cried and cried for years for an FFVII sequel and now we have one. A 40 hour game sequel would just be superfluous. There's just no need for SE to go that far. What would Cloud do for 40 hours? Kill monsters? Collect materia? Stop an evil organization while chasing a madman? Use Omnislash? Oh, wait, all of that stuff is already in FFVII and, quite possibly, AC.

Point be told: stop bickering and enjoy what SE has blessed us with.

[Starcrest]

aye, i agree. dont like it, dont bye it

[DJZen]

OH SQUARE! WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?!?!?! Goes the cry of the fanboy. God, threads like these make me want to start more threads about Heidegger and King's Knight. I've said it before and I'll say it again:

SQUARE-ENIX IS A VIDEO GAME COMPANY, NOT A RELIGION!

If they make a game you don't like, so what? It's not like you HAVE to buy it. It's not like they're smashing every last copy of your favorite game by them. It's not like we're even getting treated badly by them. They're making THREE NEW FFVII titles! That's so ridiculous I could cry.

It also really irks me when FF fanboys whine about how bad they have it when really they're getting preferrential treatment! Look at how many FF games have been made. Now look at how many DQ games have been made. Now look at the ratio at which these games got released in the US. Squenix has been treating their FF fan base VERY well. Meanwhile they're just one finger short of flipping off their US DW fans.

[Tanwen Strife]

You're right DJzen. It's not a religion. It is, however, an addiction. I'll take anything they give me no matter how rubbish.... Luckily me and the people at SE seem to be in the same mind about things, so I have yet to be disappointed.

[Del Murder]

Yeah, that's some good dope Square pushes.

[One winged angel of death]

i agree with Lord_seymour....i didn't know about advent children till i got to this website....that was the day i joined around 10-28-o4 i think.

[SetsuntaMew]

Necronopticous, that's got to be one of the funniest things I've ever read. And sadly, it's very, very true.

[One winged angel of death]

hmmm.....oh and i had no clue about dirge of cerebus...

[sorrowforsephiroth401]

I find it funny that no one has mentioned Crisis Core, the OTHER Final Fantasy game. Before Crisis....Crisis Core...whats next? Cloud's mid-life crisis? *Sorry, pitiful joke*. Anyway I think people are over-reacting. Personally I trust SE, and think they know what they are doing. I moaned when they put FF Tactics on the GBA, I complained about X-2, and I screamed my lungs out over Final Fantasy XI, and Square came through with those beautifully, (except for FFXI, I will NEVER forgive Square). I thought playing FFVII was pure bliss, and it is my favorite game of all time, but I'm one of the people that was watching the ending going WTF, so I think it would be nice to have some continuation to the story, just to clear up some questions that I, and I suspect many other gamers, had. So if Square wants to milk FFVII for all it's worth then by all means be my guest. I'll buy them, I'll love them, I'll max out my game time to 99:99 on each.

[Starcrest]

crises core? :confused::confused::confused::confused:

[Cloud Strife fanatic]

How many of you enjoyed FF7? How many of you actually finished the game? Be honest. I have, and it’s quite easily the best game around, still. To me anyway. I have only ever expressed my opinion, which I should have stated in my first post (it was 3am) more reverently. But think about it, how many people want a sequel to final fantasy seven? I do, ill buy doc, but its not the same thing, its not going to convey the same feelings, I was not dissing the game I was just saying that its not going to be like the original (not just the genre) and I'm not having a go at square, I love the company, so don’t twist my meaning. But it’s like every time FF7 is mentioned by square it’s never in the context that MOST people want. Put your hand up if you would love a remake? Don’t have a go at me, tell me, honestly, if you enjoyed FF7 would u not also enjoy a remake with nice eye-candy and character voices? I would, because it would do it justice. FF7 deserves a face lift if any game ever did.

Whether you spit or swallow that’s what I think.

Omg! i have the same mind as you, who wants a movie anyway, i mean a movie is great but it is not what the crazed fans like me wanted. Me, i wanted a new ff7 with better gaphics, voices and everything else that was put into ff10. Dirge of cerberus looks ok too, but again its not what the crazed fans like me wanted in the first place. i even sent 20 e-mails to square asking to make a sequal or atleast a remake of the original. And another thing square would pull in so much money into its company everyone who owns or has played ff7 would buy a copy. so why not make another. :mad:

[SquallKicksAss]

Here's my two cents...

I for one, hate FFX-2. I was surprised when they first released it, because they'd never tried a sequel before. Then it sucked. They can try to do it again with FF7 if they want. It may work, it may not. Who knows 'till they do it? Anyway, if they made a re-make of FF7, how many people do you honestly think would buy it? Seriously. There would be the FF7 megafans that would rush in and buy it as soon as possible (Like me =D), and there'd probably be a few people who haven't played it before or hated it before because of the graphics, and bought it out of curiosity. Other than that, everyone would see it as pointless. If it's exactly the same game, just done up a bit, why would you bother playing it? Why pay for something you already have? If I bought it, I'd probably never finish it, because I'd get bored, having already done everything. Would Square-Enix be willing to take such a risk? I don't think so...

Another thing, I agree with Big D. Some people seem to be obsessed with keeping the FF series the same. If it was kept the same, it would die a quick and spluttering death. If they didn't try anything new, they'd just have the same audience over and over. They try new stuff to get new audiences, and keep the new generations happy. I hate all the FFs after FF7, because they lack anything resembling a good storyline and their characters are all crap, but some people love them. That's the way things work. Some like it, some don't.

The point is, Square-Enix is trying to make the most cash by using experience to their advantage. FF7 was by far the most popular of the whole series. So the smartest thing to do would be to milk that for all it's worth. So, being a megacorporation that preys on the souls of stupid and mindless consumers like ourselves, they make a few FF7 spin-offs to keep us happy. Some people will resist the temptation and try to stay with the original and not try anything else because it "just isn't the same". These people will remain in the dark with their PS1 whilst everyone else enjoys their FF7 DVD or PS2 game. Then eventually they'll try the new one and most likely will enjoy it.

I know I'm going to try everything they throw at me. I've always been a huge Squaresoft fan, and I remain a huge Square-Enix fan today. They may have (in my opinion) completely screwed their last few attempts at making a good game, but that doesn't mean that they're incapable of righting their mistakes and giving us an excellent game actually worth playing. I'm looking forward to FFXII, FF:AC, and FF:DoC. Why? Because they may be good. I was just the other day saying to my friend Dan how cool it would be if they made an action FF, and now I learn that they are. I also said to him, a long time ago, that it would be extremely cool if FF7 was made into a movie. Look at this! It seems as though Square-Enix is answering my wishes with every move! It also seems that they are at least keeping one of their customers happy.

If you don't like something they release, don't play it. Try it, and if it still sucks, don't play it again. Just like I've done with every FF after FF7 (except FFXI... I still need to see how good or bad that is). Give them a chance, and quit your whinging. You're just one single pawn to them, they don't care whether you alone like their products or not. They care if the majority of the world does. And if the majority of the world likes it and you don't, they're going to make it anyway! Tough luck!

This is just my opinion. Don't take it personaly. Don't write back saying how incredibly wrong or stupid I am. I honestly don't care what you think. Get over it.

~Jim

(Holy hell, this post is huge. Sorry for the size guys, but I couldn't help myself XD)

P.S. Necro's right. You people make me sick.

[MistaCloudStrife]

Alright... so this is just complaining about so many FFVII sequels right???

Square already told us... its called the "COMPILATION OF FINAL FANTASY VII"

They are planning to come out with a bunch of Final Fantasy VII stuff all at once... This is thier descision... you cant complain about that... If you don't like it... dont buy it...

Here are all the Compilation of FFVII games i know of right now...

Advent Children
Before Crisis
Dirge of Cerberus
Crisis Core

And if I'm thinking correctly... theres going to be more editions for the Compilation of FFVII... be prepared for many FFVII games...

[nihowma buffet]

personally, i think sqare's doing the best they can.

they know the draw of ff7, and they would like to continue the story/make more money off of it, right? however, they don't want to make it stagnant by just remaking the game. they're continuing the ff7 storyline/universe by taking different routes/genres to do so.

think about it. there's a movie, a new shooter type game, the cell phone game.... that's three new genres that the regular ff7 fan might not frequent that much, but they're going to broaden the reach of the ff7 mythos by going new routes.