2004 pats vs 1985 Bears

[escobert]

so who would win?

move to lounge please.. *hasnt been to bed yet and it's 7:22 am*

[edczxcvbnm]

Da Bears. They have played 2 good teams, 1 airght team and 3 crappy teams so far this year. Lets wait till the season is near over before we start doing stuff like this. Its only week 7 going into 8 with most teams either 6-7 games played.

Stats for other teams they have played

Indianapolis 4-2(Good)
Arizona 2-4(sucks)
Buffolo 1-5(sucks)
Maimi 1-6(sucks)
Seattle 3-3(aight)
Jets 5-1(Good)

[escobert]

Well the came from an argument I had with my roomamte. He syays the Pats could be the 85 Bears no problem.

[edczxcvbnm]

We will see. Remember...it was the bears who beat the Pats in the super bowl that year.

[escobert]

I know :D :love:

[Strider]

I had a whole big post written out, but it got erased, so I'll just run it down...

The Bears used a defensive scheme that no team uses anymore: the 46 defense. It thrived on blitzing the quarterback from every which way, to create pressure and force mistakes. Tom Brady is such a smart quarterback, though, that I don't think the aggressive defense would faze him much. And besides, they could always turn to the spread (four and five WR sets) offense and take Chicago's linebackers out of their game. Mike Singeltary and Otis Wilson couldn't blitz Brady if they were forced to cover Deion Branch, Bethel Johnson and Corey Dillon, all of which would be a mismatch.

And the Chicago offense isn't much to look at aside from Walter Payton. The pass offense ranked just 22nd out of 28 teams in 1985, and you know Bill Belichick would use that to his advantage. He could easily focus his attention on Sweetness, putting eight or nine men in the box and forcing Jim McMahon to make plays. I don't think he would, throwing to receivers covered by Ty Law and Will Poole.

I'd put money on the Patriots.

[Venom65437]

The Pats would probably win. Any team can take on player away on another team. The Pats could easily negate Walter Payton. I don't think McMahon could make the plays either.

And remember the Phins beat the Bears cause Marino and his WR's totally took it to the Bears via the air. I definitely don't think Brady is Marino, but he and his WR's are talented enough to use the same strategy.

This hurts to say cause I'm a Phins fan.

[Dingo Jellybean]

It would be an interesting matchup, and a fun game to watch, despite it being a totally defensive game.

I really like Tom Brady's ability, but I think the Bears would win. They just had such a dominating defense, it's nothing New England has ever saw on it's run of 21 straight wins.

Heck, I would even go with the 2000 Ravens beating the 2004 Patriots. The Ravens did pull off 12 straight wins during their Superbowl year, but obviously it's not nearly as sexy as 21 straight wins. I'm not saying that NE sucks because they don't dominate anyone, but they haven't faced a strong defensive team that capitalizes on mistakes like the 2002 Bucs or the 1999-2004 Ravens.

[Glendon]

Living in Illinois, I am legal bound to vote for the Bears.

[Strider]

It would be an interesting matchup, and a fun game to watch, despite it being a totally defensive game.

I really like Tom Brady's ability, but I think the Bears would win. They just had such a dominating defense, it's nothing New England has ever saw on it's run of 21 straight wins.

Heck, I would even go with the 2000 Ravens beating the 2004 Patriots. The Ravens did pull off 12 straight wins during their Superbowl year, but obviously it's not nearly as sexy as 21 straight wins. I'm not saying that NE sucks because they don't dominate anyone, but they haven't faced a strong defensive team that capitalizes on mistakes like the 2002 Bucs or the 1999-2004 Ravens.

Rank of New England's opponents' overall defense and points allowed during the 2003 season.

Week 1, 17 - Buffalo (2nd, 5th)
Week 2 - Philadelphia (22nd, 7th)
Week 3, 16 - New York Jets (20th, 8th)
Week 4 - Washington (23rd, 24th)
Week 5 - Tennessee (13th, 13th)
Week 6 - New York Giants (26th, 29th)
Week 7, 14 - Miami (11th, 3rd)
Week 8 - Cleveland (14th, 12th)
Week 9 - Denver (3rd, 9th)
Week 11 - Dallas (1st, 2nd)
Week 12 - Houston (31st, 27th)
Week 13 - Indianapolis (10th, 20th)
Week 15 - Jacksonville (6th, 18th)

And 2004, thus far...
Week 1 - Indianapolis (24th, 18th)
Week 2 - Arizona (18th, 10th)
Week 3 - Buffalo (3rd, 11th)
Week 4 - Miami (10th, 14th)
Week 5 - Seattle (6th, 7th)
Week 6 - New York Jets (11th, 9th)

Obviously, note the bolded teams. They've faced some very very good defenses, and the numbers aren't entirely accurate since I can't find anywhere that determines defensive statistics on the week the Patriots faced a certain team. Jacksonville, for example, had the top run defense in the NFL, and New England beat them. Seattle and the Jets have had much improved defenses this year, and the Patriots beat them both.

Not every defense can be a world-beater, you know. But New England themselves are pretty close: 7th overall in 2003, 1st against scoring. 12th overall this year so far, and 3rd against scoring.

And oh yeah, when they met in 1999, when Baltimore's defense was still #2 overall, the Patriots beat them. So there you go.

[Dingo Jellybean]

Rank of New England's opponents' overall defense and points allowed during the 2003 season.

Week 1, 17 - Buffalo (2nd, 5th)
Week 2 - Philadelphia (22nd, 7th)
Week 3, 16 - New York Jets (20th, 8th)
Week 4 - Washington (23rd, 24th)
Week 5 - Tennessee (13th, 13th)
Week 6 - New York Giants (26th, 29th)
Week 7, 14 - Miami (11th, 3rd)
Week 8 - Cleveland (14th, 12th)
Week 9 - Denver (3rd, 9th)
Week 11 - Dallas (1st, 2nd)
Week 12 - Houston (31st, 27th)
Week 13 - Indianapolis (10th, 20th)
Week 15 - Jacksonville (6th, 18th)

And 2004, thus far...
Week 1 - Indianapolis (24th, 18th)
Week 2 - Arizona (18th, 10th)
Week 3 - Buffalo (3rd, 11th)
Week 4 - Miami (10th, 14th)
Week 5 - Seattle (6th, 7th)
Week 6 - New York Jets (11th, 9th)

Obviously, note the bolded teams. They've faced some very very good defenses, and the numbers aren't entirely accurate since I can't find anywhere that determines defensive statistics on the week the Patriots faced a certain team. Jacksonville, for example, had the top run defense in the NFL, and New England beat them. Seattle and the Jets have had much improved defenses this year, and the Patriots beat them both.

Not every defense can be a world-beater, you know. But New England themselves are pretty close: 7th overall in 2003, 1st against scoring. 12th overall this year so far, and 3rd against scoring.

And oh yeah, when they met in 1999, when Baltimore's defense was still #2 overall, the Patriots beat them. So there you go.


You can't always rank defense based on stats. Good defenses will have great stats, but great defenses have stats you don't keep track of like QB rushes, tipped incompletions, and the overall psyche the defense has on the opposing offense.

The Titans of 2000 had a good defense that year, they were ranked #1 in the NFL overall on yards per game. Ranked somewhere in the top 5 in points allowed, but obviously when they played Baltimore, that never worked in their favor. Same thing with the 2002 Bucs against the 2002 Eagles. The Eagles had a good, not great, defense that year...but when put against a top notch defense, they folded like a soft taco.

It's like you said, not every defense can be a world-beater, and there are no world-beater defenses this year. Not to take anything away from the Patriots, because they are the best team this year so far (yes Eagles fans, better than your beloved Eagles), but 32 teams in a league will dilute talent compared to a league that had maybe 28 teams (not sure exactly how many teams were in existence in 1985).

As for the Patriots beating Baltimore in 1999, that was a completely different Patriots team. Just because paper beats rock, doesn't mean paper beats scissors. I'm not saying those Ravens would beat these Patriots, but I'm just saying New England hasn't faced a smashmouth defense. And pitting these Patriots against the 85 Bears would give the Bears a slight edge because of their defensive superiority.

[Del Murder]

Tom Brady, not a good quarterback.

Anyway I'll take the Bears.

[escobert]

That's what I like to see Del :D

[Kirobaito]

I'll take the Bears, if nothing else because I like old football more than new.

[eestlinc]

The Bears had too many egos. The Patriots are one solid team. Team beats egos in football.

[escobert]

Egos seemed to kick everyones ass that year :rolleyes2:

[eestlinc]

because there we no teams.