Library Girl?

[Sweet Beloved]

Okay. You probably know about the library girl that is in the game? How do you feel about her *With* Zell? Who do u think?

[BackRoomKid]

LOL....jealous???

[Sweet Beloved]

Maybe... *giggles*

[ShivaBlizzard8]

Well, to be honest, I didn't think about it at all while playing the game. Even if you do follow the whole "sidequest" not much is made of it. Unfortunately FF8 didn't do a great job of fleshing out its main characters equally, since so much screentime is dedicated to Squall and Rinoa.

However, the fanfic by Mintbaby entitled "Bookworms and Booya" really did a good job depicting the relationship and made me think about Zell differently. I don't usually read a lot of FF fanfiction, but this one was quite good, and you'd probably enjoy it. I'd check it out if I were you. ;)

[Rusty]

Well, to be honest, I didn't think about it at all while playing the game. Even if you do follow the whole "sidequest" not much is made of it. Unfortunately FF8 didn't do a great job of fleshing out its main characters equally, since so much screentime is dedicated to Squall and Rinoa.

However, the fanfic by Mintbaby entitled "Bookworms and Booya" really did a good job depicting the relationship and made me think about Zell differently. I don't usually read a lot of FF fanfiction, but this one was quite good, and you'd probably enjoy it. I'd check it out if I were you. ;)

I agree :)

[Garnet236]

Well....I think they're kinda look cute together....

[Future Esthar]

He loves the girl because she has a pigtail like Quistis.
Being a "right" guy (look at the flashlight scene on the orphanage) he knows an instructor can´t fall in love for a student (and the opposite).So their love becomes colder before the beggining of the game.

[Wolfmeister]

Are you sure?? :confused:

I think the librarian has horsetails not pigtails :D

and it's funny if someone like ZELL also feels the hot for Quistis. And I never see any dialogs or behaviors between them indicating such feeling. If it's Irvine or Seifer, I still believe :D

[ShivaBlizzard8]

Yeah - the library girl has a ponytail, and Quistis wears her hair in a clip. Completely different. I also don't see any evidence of Zell ever expressing any interest in Quistis. I mean at the end he yells at her and Selphie to get out and throws stuff at them for interupting him and the library girl hanging out.

[finalheaven]

i think its just a kinda crushy thingy...nothing serious..like coz there 17 and Zell wouldnt really have anyonther intrseting stories if they didnt make the library girl. there allright together..but nothing actualiy happens..oh yeah u get his combo thing *lol*

[Sweet Beloved]

i think its just a kinda crushy thingy...nothing serious..like coz there 17 and Zell wouldnt really have anyonther intrseting stories if they didnt make the library girl. there allright together..but nothing actualiy happens..oh yeah u get his combo thing *lol*

:D I truely agree. I mean. They don't show TOTAL love for each other but there is a little stuff here and there. I do think it's cute though. While on Christmas break, I read the story. I loved it! :D

[Future Esthar]

I already explained the reason there is no relation between Quistis and Zell.
But I know they were supposed to be in love for a logical reason.
Let me tell you a story.
Squall,Rinoa,Selphie,Irvine,Quistis,Zell,Seifer,Edea were on the orphanage .We know they are different from the other children and Seed.They are children of fate.Many years ago,Seifer lived with his wife Edea in their castle.But one day someone possessed Edea,performed WOTC (well organized time compression) and Edea´s past and future familiars were caught in the middle of it while children.While possessed she enslavered her daughter Rinoa,Squall,her grandson Zell,Quistis,Irvine and Zell´s daughter (Selphie) in time compression .She then brought them into her era and manipulated their destiny.She marry Cid and convinced him to make Garden to train mercenaries(theoretically).During a short period she named herself Ultimecia and killed the White Seed.But they never died(their eyes blinks).They pretend to be dead.Now they know the thruth.They know that Edea is Ultimecia.Ultimecia discovered that they were alive and prepared a ship for them to get far from her presence.They threat to tell everybody that Edea=Ulti. Ultimecia threat to kill them if so.
She used a false blonde hair for camuflage.
Now I wanna to tell you that Zell was married with Quistis but Ultimecia managed to made her an instructor to cold their relation.She also sends Selphie far from Irvine.Finaly,she separate Rinoa from Squall and he becomed very lonely.
You can now understand why Ultimecia says "Slaves on a dimension beyhound your imagination.And there I will reign,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,etc..."
Fortunately Zone and Watts telled the leader of the White Seed who is possessing Edea and prooved it to him (gave proofs).
It could song like a fanfiction but it makes sense.At least more than the stupid loop thing.

[ChaosCalibur]

You...Make...No, sense...

[Sweet Beloved]

Dude...you lost me.

[Future Esthar]

That´s the true story.

[Sweet Beloved]

Um...Ok. Where'd you get that at?

[TheAbominatrix]

Future Esthar comes up with these wild ideas out of left field. Don't stress yourselves trying to understand it, guys. Especially since they only make sense to him (her?).

[rubah]

sounds like a plan to me.

the time compression loop is perfectly plausible.

well, until we actually start time travelling.

[ShivaBlizzard8]

Future Esthar comes up with these wild ideas out of left field. Don't stress yourselves trying to understand it, guys. Especially since they only make sense to him (her?).
LOL - so true. Sometimes the theories are interesting, and sometimes they just make my brain internally combust if I look at them too long. :p

[Future Esthar]

I think the text was very big.And English is not my first language.
By the way,I am a man.

[ShivaBlizzard8]

I thought so.

But as I've said before, although I hardly ever agree with your theories, they make for interesting reading. :)

[BackRoomKid]

so....about this Zell character? ....lol

[TheAbominatrix]

I think the text was very big.And English is not my first language.
By the way,I am a man.

Oh I dont mean that your English is confusing, I mean that your ideas typically dont make much sense (to me and a lot of others at least). Your English is quite good, especially it not being your first language.

[Future Esthar]

What?I am not saying time loops were impossible,but if you think a little you can find many sense on my idea on this thread.The text was big but let me resume:
1-Edea and Seifer were married and lived on a castle.
2-Edea was possessed and changed her name to Ulti.
3-She performed WOTC and brought Seed´s including Seifer and Rinoa to her time.
4-Seed´s belongs to Edea´s family and each married couple comes from different eras.
5-Edea tried to kill the White Seed (the other members of her family,brothers,cousins,uncles,etc...)
6-They pretend to be dying and saw Edea changing into Ulti.
7-They did blackmail with Edea saying they will tell the thruth to everyone.
8-She prepared a ship to accomodate their children and force them to veil in secrecy.
9-And used a fake blonde hair.
10-She then manipulated Seed´s destiny.
11-The Galbadians made a device that enable´s the Pandora to time travel
12-They also created holographic panels around the Pandora to give the impression that time compression was occurring.
13-Ultimecia tried to make time compression.
14-Edea had stolen Junction Machine Ellone from the doctor.
15-In the end she used it to send Squall´s counsciousness to the past and to add some false events (including Ulti possessing Edea).
16-She also used JME to interfere in Ellone´s inicial dream removing Rinoa from Squall´s memory.
17-Her objective was to stop Ellone from sending events from the past to the mind of people from the future and the reverse.
18-In the beggining of the game Edea was controling JME and with it she interfered in Squall´s dream.Edea also called Seifer in dreams to meet her in the flower field.But Seifer found Squall in an era between the future and the past.And as we know he can´t avoid battle with Squall.It was Edea´s intention.However,Rinoa used her amulet to save Squall.
19-I think RINOA IS ELLONE.

Of course I am not talking about the official version of the story of ff8.
I am talking about my theories on the true story.

[Dragon Ash]

ok those are your own theories but the first time you said them you made it sound as if they were official, and confused many people.

i don't think your ideas make sense, but hey, if that's how you want to interpret the story then go with it.

[TheAbominatrix]

None of your ideas have ever made any sense to anyone but you, Esthar. I've tried to make sense of em. But go with it, man. Whatever floats your boat.

[rubah]

Where exactly do you get grounds for your theories though? That's what I'm wondering. Is there something somewhere, or are just they just out of the blue?

I'm sorta leaning towards it being the latter:)

[°¿°¿°]

wow that was a pretty weird story future esthar i never thought of it that way

[DMKA]

Future Esthar is brilliant. I never would of realized that.

[Sweet Beloved]

Got any more cool theories?

[Shoden]

that makes no sense because where in the game is there enough evidence to prove them theories? ultimecia and edea are different people seifer and edea are well in an age difference, he never showed any affection towards her and squall was always a loner, ellone isnt rinoa for many reasons they are in the same time and its before time compression, Rnoa is the daughter of general caraway and Julia heartly whilst ellone's parents were brutally murdered in front of her she was adopted by raine leonhart.


im not being mean but some of those theories make no sense at all as ultimecia achieves time compression on disc 4. if you listen to that dosctor odine guy he says ultimecia can come to the ast coz of his invention. if he destroyed his invention wouldnt it stop time ultimecia from coming to the past?

[Sweet Beloved]

BackRoomKid U DON'T KNOW WHO ZELL IS?! Ok. Fine. I would explain him but if you really wanna know, PM me and i'll tell you. Otherwise, you probably don't play FF8. *Sweatdrop*

Future Esthar lost me totally. I halfway understand. But see, being blonde *NO offense to anyone* i don't understand a lot. Enough to get through life but, eh, well, let's just say I could be the next Jessica Simpson brainwise. not vioce. Lol. J/K

[Future Esthar]

I am not brilliant.Just a long FF8 player.These were extrapulations.They contradict what is said on the game.Some of the things I told were purposeful lies(to deviate you from the thruth because this one is farfetched).Of course i will not tell you which.
But most of them i am really convinced of.
It assumes that some people on FF8 lie or at least says something inaccurate based on an inacurate experiment.It can happen that a lie propagate to many different persons but they dídn´t know it was a lie (and tell it to others).
For example,the Estharians discovered that the Pillar enable monsters from falling from the moon.They thought this based on the currelation between the Crystal moved places and the places where the monsters fall.But it didn´t mean nothing.How do you know that a person is not possessing the monsters and at the same time moving the Crystal Pillar with remote control (to atleast produce the force field that brings them down)?
Edea told you that Ulti comes from the future.But even considering she is not Ultimecia
how do you know that she tells the truth to Edea while possessing her?To me it seems to be on the past.There is no indication that it was on the future(if there is tell me).So one can assume that Edea could be lying(or telling a non purposeful lie).

So when I post a theory I base it not on the dialogues(they serve to distract you from the thruth) but on the game imagery and visible facts(location and shape of city on world map,some phenomenas,the topology and shapeof the cyties on the field,apparent non important events,etc...).I also use secondary characters and non relevant events to the story (they made them non relevant to deviate you atention).These subtle things apparently had nothing to do with the story but they have more importance to the game than most of the things in the storyline.I will give examples in another thread(this one is getting big).

[Squall of SeeD]

I'm going to have to assume -- or hope -- that you make this stuff up just for the "What the hell?" reaction it gets out of the rest of us, Future. Logic would dictate that anything not written into a story or implied within a story by its writer(s) -- or stated or implied by them in an interview -- isn't there. The writer(s) is/are their story's God. If they don't create it, it's not there.

Folks can create their own story based off an official one, sure, but it in no way has bearing on the canon of the official story, and I honestly don't see what place it has in discussions about the original story. Why bring such stories into discussions about the official story as though they apply?

[Future Esthar]

I edit my reply.It will give you the answer to your question(near the end).

[Squall of SeeD]

I edit my reply.It will give you the answer to your question(near the end).

I've now read it.



So when I post a theory I base it not on the dialogues(they serve to distract you from the thruth) but on the game imagery and visible facts(location and shape of city on world map,some phenomenas,the topology and shapeof the cyties on the field,apparent non important events,etc...).I also use secondary characters and non relevant events to the story (they made them non relevant to deviate you atention).These subtle things apparently had nothing to do with the story but they have more importance to the game than most of the things in the storyline.I will give examples in another thread(this one is getting big).

Or they could just use the story to convey their intention... which is what writers do.

For that matter, I don't see how the architeceture of Balamb or the topography around Timber is going to convey things like "Seifer was married to Edea despite him only being five years old when she was at least 16."

[Future Esthar]

Not all writers.Sometimes they leave the story open for your imagination.These(the topology,geografy,etc..) were just examples.
Edea and Seifer were married before Well Organized Time Compression (WOTC).
X performed WOTC to bring the kid Seifer and the adult Edea to the orphanage on the present.Of course Seifer was brought from a time earlier than Edea.

[Squall of SeeD]

Not all writers.Sometimes they leave the story open for your imagination.

Yes, but not when they definitively state that green is green and not red, or in this case, show us that Edea and Ultimecia are two different People and offer no suggestion that they are the same.



These(the topology,geografy,etc..) were just examples.

And some People see Elvis in their mashed potatoes, but, again, I fail to see how the way the grass lays on the Galbadian plains tells us anything about Seifer being married to Edea or Ultimecia, and you have yet to substantiate why this is so.



Edea and Seifer were married before Well Organized Time Compression (WOTC).

Offer in-game evidence of this. And what do you mean by "Well Organized Time Compression," by the way? You've been using that term a lot and I -- like the rest of our fellow Forum members -- have no idea what you're talking about.



X performed WOTC to bring the kid Seifer and the adult Edea to the orphanage on the present.Of course Seifer was brought from a time earlier than Edea.

Can you offer in-game evidence of any of this -- without it being geographical Palm Reading conducted by you? If it's something to the effect of "The spots of darker barren rock around Esthar strongly indicate this to be so," then I'm sorry I asked.

[Future Esthar]

Hey,hey,I said that geography and topography were examples,but I also telled you of subtle events and other things.In resume,IMAGERY and ANIMATED SUBTLE EVENTS serve in general to disprove dialogue´s.For example we know that Deling isn´t dead because his eyes blinks.Of course the player tends to ignore it and go save Rinoa.That is why it is a subtle event.
By the way,geographiy and topography can be used in general mostly to prove WOTC.
I already explained to Salistaleshun in a private message what is WOTC
The explanation is big and took me over 8 big messages.
But strangely he didn´t reply.Wonder if he understood or didn´t agree.

[rubah]

I don't remember deling blinking. and there's also the whole 'omg, he doesn't do anything for the rest of the game!'

Do you realize just how hard it is to put imagery as it is in works? There's a 'method' of analyzing stuff (several actually, but this is the one we have to use all the time:P) called DIDLS. diction, imagery, details, language, and sentence structure (or syntax or something)

After two years of doing tons of these, I can tell you, a lot of the things you can find to support a tone (which is the point of the didlsing anyways) is a lot of crap. The better you can use your imagination to make stuff up, the more depth you can give in supporting your chosen tone.

Which brings me to this. Authors rarely put in a ton of subtle devices to add entire substories to their works. If they did that, the sheer planning would take way too much time, and we know authors are stereotyped for being behind on deadlines.

And that's for writing a book

FF8 is a four cd game. That's a lot of stuff right there. It takes a quite a while to code this, and games probably have stricter deadlines than books do. They cater to a more impatient audience.

They aren't going to put in stupid MINISCULE details to bring in entire subplots when there are perfectly good explanations already given BY the game itself.

You're just BSing more than a person taking the AP english exam:P

[Future Esthar]

Actualy I have found a lot of them.For example,don´t you use graphical and verbal details to show that Squall is Laguna´s sun?But I don´t wanna to go in a discussion anymore.

[Camanche]

Deling's character model 'blinks' because that is how it was animated when it was meant to be alive. The creators simply didn't 'turn off' the blinking animation during the scene where he is laying there, dead. It's very subtle and hard to notice, so they didn't bother.

And this type of thing has happened in more than one Square game. When Aeris is stabbed, her ribbon loosens, and falls out of her hair in the FMV, But after, when Cloud's character model is holding her dead one, the ribbon is back in her hair.

Square simply didn't remove the ribbon, even though it clearly had been show to fall out of her hair. It something small, and rather unnoticable, so they didn't bother changing it. It's the same thing with Deling.

(I'm sorry Squall of SeeD, I know I shouldn't have! Please forgive me!:p)

[BackRoomKid]

BackRoomKid U DON'T KNOW WHO ZELL IS?! Ok. Fine. I would explain him but if you really wanna know, PM me and i'll tell you. Otherwise, you probably don't play FF8. *Sweatdrop*


lol...funny...trust me, i play FF8, tied for first on my top FF's list...my point with my comment was that this talk of zell and the Library Girl went off to like...seifer, rinoa, and everyone else...just a lil' spamming I like to do...lol

but i do wish more was put into the library girl, then again, its just the "cute" part of the game, a tough guy like zell that has a crush...funny to me

[Camanche]

I liked Zell, but personality-wise, he seemed more whiney than tough to me. :p Heh heh.

[BackRoomKid]

I liked Zell, but personality-wise, he seemed more whiney than tough to me. :p Heh heh.

i concur

[Sweet Beloved]

Does Zell even have a crush on her? I think it's the other way around. Zell's too blonde (No Offense to blondes. I am one!) to even pay attention to her *We all know how he is*. So, my question, will she ever try to make him notice her more than just the library girl? Plus, Squaresoft should have given her a name. That woulda have been easier than naming her 'girl with pigtail' or whatever.

[TheAbominatrix]

Given that Zell is the one that talks about her many times during the game, yes he is the one with the crush on her.

[Destai]

There was a sidequest to make them spend the night together me thinks.

[My name is...something..?]

They didn't actually spend the night together, you just wake up to find Zell and her flirting with eachother

[Shoden]

screenshots please?

I never did this sidequest so i have no idea about it

[rubah]

I don't have any screen shots, but basically squall and party member number two wake up in the inn room alone and wonder where zell is. They go to the stairway and the library chick walks in to where zell is, and they talk, and you can't make out what they're saying.

[Camanche]

I KNOW that the Library Girl had a crush on Zell (Her friends talk about it), but I don't think he notices it or starts to have feelings towards her until you get rather far into the sidequest.