Oh, The Irony!

[The Captain]

http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/weekendboxofficer.html

To think, Alexander The Great conquered most of the known world during his time, yet loses to among others Nicholas Cage and SpongeBob?

Two questions:

1. Is Irony overrated/underrated/misunderstood in today's world?

2. It seems that nearly anything can be a movie, from crazy plots about American treasure to bios of famous/infamous folk to live action/cartoons about Sponges, so I pose to you, what would you like to see made into a film?

Take care all.

[Jojee]

I want to see Alexander... been meaning to see it ever since I heard about it ^_^ It's at the top of my list~ But can't access it, really... no car, live in uni where they only have a crappy movie threatre that shows 5 movies a a time. *le sigh*

[krissy]

1. what is the world if not dramatic irony.

2. ocean's twelve.


ps. if anyone from here on in thinks they're cool and wants to say 'THAT ALANIS MORISETTE SONG DOESNT REALLY SING ABOUT IRONY' then you can stop before you make a fool of yourself. dramatic irony, situational irony; it's all valid forms of irony.

[Jojee]

Mm, love that song. ^_^

And yeah, I changed my mind. Oceans Twelve is definitely above Alexander on my list.

[Doomgaze]

I've heard nothing but bad reviews for Alexander. Don't start with omg critics suck, either, because this is one of those movies that SHOULD be getting at least decent reviews.


krissy - OMG THAT SONG IS NOT ABOUT IRONY. There are many different kinds, yes, and NONE OF THEM ARE IN THAT SONG.

[Yamaneko]

<i>Genghis</i>, a movie by *insert director who always makes crumby actions movies*. Summer 2006.

People need to stop making movies about historical figures, or at least figures that were part of the nineteenth century and before.

Irony is only funny when you're a vegan and you eat a peanut, choke and die.

[DeBlayde]

irony is not very important in contemporary American culture. for example, Abercrombie and Fitch are now selling shirts that are already wrinkled up for you. and I never see a non-wrinkled shirt not being worn by an old person. in fact, many college age people think irons are for making toasties.

nope. irony is not too important. <--sarcasm :D

[Strider]

I have plenty of movie ideas, but I won't post them here for fear of Hollywood executives perusing the forums and claiming ownership of said ideas in three or four years. It's easier to keep it secret.

[Peegee]

I have no movie ideas, because my tastes aren't what people like, and my more...general likes (like the things everybody else likes) were created by other people, and I can't come up with that stuff.

As for irony, I don't think I even know what that is myself, or whether it's anything other than a literary device. Is real life irony possible?

[Zell's Fists of Fury]

A movie about the first four books of the Dark Tower. Then they just kill off Roland or something. Because tha'd make a better ending than the real one. uck.

[Baloki]

Irony is hardly lost in this day and age, I'll give you an example.

Many years ago the British conquered some land which ended up becoming indipendent and calling itself Canada, but another abou the cool countries xD, nah onto the story.

At one time the US was once owned by the UK but then they became indipendent and now it seems to ironically be becoming the other way round as the US seems to boss us around quite a bit now, and steal the credit for our inventions and stuff, like we used to do back in the day.

Maybe thats a bit of international irony for you there :D

[Doomgaze]

If you were independent you wouldn't have the Queen on your money :)

[Rye]

Spongebob > Alexander the Great > Nicholas Cage

Spongebob was an awesome movie, so it deserves it's high ranking. And Alanis Morisette killed irony with her song "Irony." I don't think that makes a moron out of myself, cause it's true. Not taking the good advice a friend gave is just stupid, not ironic.

[Miriel]

Alexander was doomed to failure the moment they stuck that hideous wig on Colin Farrell's head.

[Rye]

Alexander was doomed to failure the moment they stuck that hideous wig on Colin Farrell's head.


Too true. Plus, I don't think Alexander has blond hair as was Roman, which Italians decend from. And Italians have dark hair.

[Necronopticous]

Alexander got a 14% on Rotten Tomatoes, that's pretty bad...

Anyway, as far as what I'd like to see a movie made out of, how about Final Fantasy VI.

[-N-]

Any movie is fine, as long as I get to do the narrator voice over for the trailers. Patrick Stewart, here I come.

[Del Murder]

1. I like Reno's answer

2. I'd like to see Tim Burton direct a Batman Beyond or Batman Year One movie. Batman is more than a bunch of silly villains and mindless action, and he did a good job showing that in the first film.

[krissy]

FAO: Adam

rain falling on a wedding day is something you would not expect to happen but it does, ergo http://www.ksu.edu/english/baker/english287/cc-situational_irony.htm

maybe im wrong but

[Zell's Fists of Fury]

I always thought the guy who was afraid of flying that ended up dying in a plane crash was irony.

[krissy]

to be honest i can't really consider that ironic, because he was scared of flying; more of foreshadowing in my opinion, but i should be posting this because im countering my whole argument.




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[Nephiliam]

I thought Alexander was a great movie, and National Treasure was pretty good too. Christmas With The Kranks was a good holiday film. I do want to see Ocean's Twelve though. :D And a few more.

[Doomgaze]

Rain falling is a perfectly natural and commonplace thing. If wedding days were somehow inherently sunny, you'd be right.



I’m tired of television announcers, hosts, newscaster, and commentators, nibbling away at the English language, making obvious and ignorant mistakes. If I were in charge of America’s broadcast stations and networks, I would gather together all the people whose jobs include speaking to the public, and I would not let them out of the room until they had absorbed the following suggestions. I’m aware that media personalities are not selected on the basis of intelligence. I know that, and I try to make allowances for it. Believe me, I really try. But still … There are some liberties taken with speech that I think require intervention, if only for my own sake. I won’t feel right if this chance goes by, and I keep my silence.

The English word forte, meaning "specialty" or "strong point," is not pronounced "for-tay." Got that? It is pronounced "fort." The Italian word forte, used in music notation, is pronounced "for-tay," and it instructs the musician to play loud: "She plays the skin flute, and her forte [fort] is playing forte [for-tay]." Look it up. And don’t give me that whiny http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gif, "For-tay is listed as the second preference." There’s a reason it’s second: because it’s not first!

Irony deals with opposites; it has nothing to do with coincidence. If two baseball palyers from the same hometown, on different teams, receive the same uniform number, it is not ironic. It is a coincidence. If Barry Bonds attains lifetime statistics identical to his father’s it will not be ironic. It will be a coincidence. Irony is "a state of affairs that is the reverse of what was to be expected; a result opposite to and in mockery of the appropriate result." For instance:

* If a diabetic, on his way to buy insulin, is killed by a runaway truck, he is the victim of an accident. If the truck was delivering sugar, he is the victim of an oddly poetic coincidence. But if the truck was delivering insulin, ah! Then he is the victim of an irony.

* If a Kurd, after surviving bloody battle with Saddam Hussein’s army and a long, difficult escape through the mountains, is crushed and killed by a parachute drop of humanitarian aid, that, my friend, is irony writ large.

* Darryl Stingley, the pro football player, was paralyzed after a brutal hit by Jack Tatum. Now Darryl Stingley’s son plays football, and if the son should become paralyzed while playing, it will not be ironic. It will be coincidental. If Darryl Stingley’s son paralyzes someone else, that will be closer to ironic. If he paralyzes Jack Tatum’s son that will be precisely ironic.

I’m tired of hearing prodigal being used to mean "wandering, given to running away or leaving and returning." The parable in the Book of Luke tells of a son who squanders his father’s money. Prodigal means "recklessly wasteful or extravagant." And if you say popular usage has changed that, I say, http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gif popular usage!

The phrase sour grapes does not refer to jealousy or envy. Nor is it related to being a sore loser. It deals with the rationalization of failure to attain a desired end. In the original fable by Aesop, "The Fox and the Grapes," when the fox realizes he cannot leap high enough to reach the grapes, he rationalizes that even if he had gotten them, they would probably have been sour anyway. Rationalization, that’s all sour grapes means. It doesn’t mean deal with jealousy or sore losing. Yeah, I know you say, "Well many people are using it that way, so the meaning is changing." And I say, "Well many people are really http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifin’ stupid too, shall we just adopt all their standards?"

Strictly speaking, celibate does not mean not having sex, it means not being married. No wedding. The practice of refraining from sex is called chastity or sexual abstinence. No http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifing. Priests don’t take a vow of celibacy, they take a vow of chastity. Sometimes referred to as the "no-nookie clause."

And speaking of sex, the Immaculate Conception does not mean Jesus was concieved in the absence of sex. It means Mary was conceived without Original Sin. That’s all it has ever meant. And according to the tabloids, Mary is apparently the only one who can make such a claim. The Jesus thing is called virgin birth.

Proverbial is now being used to describe things that don’t appear in proverbs. For instance, "the proverbial drop in the bucket" is incorrect because "a drop in the bucket" is not a proverb, it’s a metaphor. You wouldn’t say, "as welcome as a turd in the proverbial punchbowl," or "as cold as the proverbial nun’s box," because neither refers to a proverb. The former is a metaphor, the latter is a simile.

Momentarily means for a moment, not in a moment. The word for "in a moment" is presently "I will be there presently, Dad, and then, after pausing momentarily, I will kick you in the nuts."

No other option and no other alternative are redundant. The words option and alternative already imply otherness. "I had no option, Mom, I got this huge erection because there was no alternative." This rule is not optional; the alternative is to be wrong.

You should not use criteria when you mean criterion for the same reason that you should not use criterion when you mean criteria. These is my only criterions.

A light-year is a measurement of distance, not time. "It will take light years for young basketball players to catch up with the number of women Wilt Chamberlain has http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifed, "is a scientific impossibility. Probably in more ways than one.

An acronym is not just any set of initials. It applies only to those that are pronounced as words. MADD, DARE, NATO, and UNICEF are acronyms. FBI, CIA, and KGB are not. They’re just pricks.

I know I’m fighting a losing battle with this one, but I refuse to surrender: Collapsing a building with explosives is not an implosion. An implosion is a very specific scientific phenomenon. The collapsing of a building with explosives is the collapsing of a building with explosives. The explosives explode, and the building collapses inwardly. That is not an implosion. It is an inward collapsing of a building, following a series of smaller explosions designed to make it collapse inwardly. Period. http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gif you!

Here’s another pointless, thankless objection I’d like to register. I say it that way, because I know you people and your goddamn "popular usage" slammed the door on this one a long time ago. But here goes anyway:

A cop out is not an excuse, not even a weak one; it is an admission of guilt. When someone "cops a plea," he admits guilt to some charge, in exchange for better treatment. He has "copped out." When a guy says, "I didn’t get to http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gif her because I reminded her of her little brother," he is making an excuse. If he says, "I didn’t get to http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gif her because I’m an unattractive schmuck," he is copping out. The trouble arises when an excuse contains a small amount of self-incriminating truth.

This one is directed to the sports people: You are destroying a perfectly good figure of speech: "Getting the monkey off one’s back" does not mean breaking a losing streak. It refers only to ending a dependency. That’s all. The monkey represents a strong yen. A loosing streak does not compare even remotely. Not in a literary sense and not in real life.

Here’s one you hear from the truly dense: "The proof is in the pudding." Well, the proof is not in the pudding; the rice and raisins are in the pudding. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. In this case, proof means "test." The same is true of "the exception that proves (tests) the rule."

An eye for an eye is not a call for revenge, it is an argument for fairness. In the time of the Bible, it was standard to take a life in exchange for an eye. But the Bible said, No, the punishment should fit the crime. Only and eye for an ey, nothing more. It is not vindictive, it is mitigatory.

Don’t make the same mistake twice seems to indicate three mistakes, doesn’t it? First you make the mistake. Then you make the same mistake. Then you make the same mistake twice. If you simply say, "Don’t make the same mistake, " you’ll avoid the first mistake.

Unique needs no modifier. Very unique, quite unique, more unique, real unique, fairly unique, and extremely unique are wrong and they mark you as dumb, although certainly not unique.

Healthy does not mean "healthful." Healthy is a condition, healthful is a property. Vegetable aren’t healthy, they’re dead. No food is healthy. Unlesss you have an eggplant that’s doing push-ups. Push-ups are healthful.

There is no such thing or word as kudo. Kudos is a singular noun meaning praise, and it is pronounced kyoo-dose. There is also a plural form, spelled the same, but pronounced kyoo-doze. Please stop telling me, "So-and-so picked up another kudo today."

Race, creed, or color is wrong. Race and color, as used in this phrase, describe the same property. And "creed" is a stilted, outmoded way of saying "religion." Leave this tired phrase alone; it has lost its usefulness. Besides, it reeks of insincerity no matter who uses it.

As of yet is simply stupid. As yet, I’ve seen no progress on this one, but of course I’m speaking as of now.

Here’s one you can win money on in a bar if you’re within reach of the right reference book: Chomping at the bit and old stomping ground are incorrect. Some Saturday afternoon when you’re getting bombed on your old stamping ground, you’ll be champing at the bit to use this one.

Sorry to sound so picky, folks, but I listen to a lot of radio and TV and these things have bothered me for a long time.

[krissy]

romantically speaking rain is not natural on 'the best day for love' or something like that.

wedding days are expected to be happy and sunny etc.

(yes i know some people like rain)

on another point, while the man afraid of flying is falling to his death, he thinks 'well isn't this nice' THEREFORE IRONY IS PRESENT WITHIN THE SONG SNAP.

[Doomgaze]

I believe that is sarcasm.

Can't we just agree that she's a talentless hack? :(

[krissy]

3 entries found for sarcasm.
sar·casm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (särkzm)
n.
A cutting, often <b>ironic</b> remark intended to wound.


you're right though, this has to stop. this argument has degraded into postings from the internet and you know i don't want it to ruin what we have. <3

i like that uninvited song she made tho, good tune.

[Doomgaze]

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But a majority of the song is still not ironic.


And that, as they say, is that.