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dufflebag
12-31-2004, 10:45 PM
evanescence is just a bunch of posers. they are the worst thing to happen to music since linkin park except they have a singer and every person that likes one likes the other.evanescence can't decide if there pop or punk. i just think there are to many people who like bad music and i wanted to enlighten them.so sell your t-shirts and cds and by some good music.try something thats not on the radio yet.

Aurey
01-01-2005, 01:17 AM
Well uhm, I don't think this will enlighten people, just make them kind of/really angry because of all the things you have said about Evanescence.

I don't like Evanescence either, but I don't necessarily think that people should stop listening to them. If it's what they like, then it's what they like. I doubt all of which you said is going to make these people change their taste in music, really. So uh, yeah. :/

Kirobaito
01-01-2005, 01:20 AM
That's a bit random. Like Aurey, I don't like Evanescence. In fact, I agree with you completely. However, it's not too wise to say so, on this board, specifically. People simply won't agree with you just because you say so. People like them, for whatever reason, and so let them do it. I like country music, and people do nothing but make fun of me for it. I know that they're wrong, but telling them that really doesn't make much of a difference. The Evanescence fans here certainly will do the same...ignore you.

Rye
01-01-2005, 02:14 AM
Evanescence is one of the most talented bands out recently. I have a feeling you heard only one of their songs, Bring Me To Life. They are neither pop or punk. Not every band is some Avril Lavigne crap making pop songs but dressing punk. Get your facts straight before you call them posers, because they are unique in my opinion. Before you call them anything, I'd recommend you listen to their Origin, Whisper/Sound Asleep/ or Self titled EPs.

They've been around before most "new" bands. Not mainstream. They've been writing songs since 1998. They're not like LP in the sense that they have not sold out to Jay-Z. They have a talented singer and songwriter, Amy Lee, which is more than most bands nowadays have.

I don't think you've enlightened anyone.

Well, I'm going to go by the title which is "bad bands" and not "Let's bash a talented band" soooooo...

I find Linkin Park to be annoying nowadays. Um, Good Charlotte isn't very good either. Okay, that's my list of bad bands.

theundeadhero
01-01-2005, 02:39 AM
Not every band is some Avril Lavigne crap making pop songs but dressing punkFor those who actually believe my signature, sorry. While I like some stuff off her first CD, Avy's second one was horrible! She's total pop and never once even said she was punk. OTHER people just like you put a punk label on her and say, "Oh, what a poser punk wannabe". She doesn't dress, look, sound, or even claim to be punk rock. All she's said is that she likes punk music.

I do not like many many newer bands. :)

DMKA
01-01-2005, 05:30 AM
All country bands = the worst. Not all the singers, but all the bands...yes.

Sweet Beloved
01-01-2005, 06:21 AM
Okay. I agreee. I don't like country music. I LOVE GOOD CHARLOTTE!!! Gotta love em. Linkin Park's cool too.

fire_of_avalon
01-01-2005, 06:55 AM
You all stink. Backstreet Boys are where it's at, yo.

Sweet Beloved
01-01-2005, 07:11 AM
You all stink. Backstreet Boys are where it's at, yo.

You're serious? :eek: Well, okay. I grew outta them when I turned 10. But they are okay I guess. :D

Crazy the Clown
01-01-2005, 08:08 AM
-D12-Anyone associated with Eminem makes me sick.
-All pop boy bands-Dance like a bitch, sing like a bitch, and get paid like a king?! What is wrong with this picture?!
-Sugar Ray-Only preppies get Sugar Ray, and the Juggalos want to get Mark McGrath in their sights.
-Dixie Chicks-More like the Traitor Chicks. I still haven't forgiven these hoes, and I never will.
-Pearl Jam-A poor man's Creed, only dumber.
-Europe-Three words: "The Final Countdown."
-Poison-Believe it or not, I used to like these weirdoes in the 4th Grade. After that, though, I got my head straight.
-Aqua-That's self-explanatory, wouldn't you say?

Those are the things I hate in the world of music groups.

Sweet Beloved
01-01-2005, 08:16 AM
I don't really like any of those bands so, I'm good. Haha, love the Sugar Ray stuff. I'm into Simple Plan, Sum-41, Good Charlotte, and pretty much Linkin Park. I hate N*Sync.They drive me nuts. They sing like they're gay and well, They probably are. You can find a funny video of Backstreet boy called "Which one of us is gay?" On funnyjunk.com. I laughed. No offense 2 anyone who likes them or any boy band. Sorry, I'm just not into girly guys. I love annoying people.

jrgen
01-01-2005, 11:53 AM
Evanescence is one of the most talented bands out recently.
Hehe. :D

Rye
01-01-2005, 01:52 PM
Dixie Chicks are traitors how? Because they spoke up against G.B.W? I'm not sure how that relates to their music, but I like them. Their remake of Land Slide was pretty.

And there are plenty of times that Avril said she was punk.

yo momma
01-01-2005, 03:42 PM
All rap bands and singers suck
rap= retards attempting poetry

Kawaii Ryûkishi
01-01-2005, 03:54 PM
I couldn't possibly list the incredibly numerous people whose music makes me want to vomit.

Here's a start, though.<ul type="1"><li>Evanescence</ul>

gokufusionss1
01-01-2005, 04:06 PM
i hate the Darkness they have all the musical talent of a fish with a banjo, it's time this overblown queen tribute band (i didn't even like queen) were put down and there guitars burned for being soiled with some of the worst rifts ever. He's a little message for the band " a higher pitch doesn't automaticaly make it better"

Xander
01-01-2005, 04:31 PM
You know what sucks more than any of these bands? People who stop liking bands because everyone else says they suck.

I like Evanescence, and Avril's music. I wouldn't say any band is bad because if there are people who are made happy by their music then there's nothing wrong with them. I always wondered why people don't just NOT LISTEN to what they don't like, instead of spending half their lives obsessing over how much they "suck". Yeah. -_- [/rant]

boris no no
01-01-2005, 06:47 PM
i like all types of music...except rap and that stuff
i really think they have very little talent.
i'm totally into NIN :love:

Crazy the Clown
01-01-2005, 07:00 PM
If I offended anyone, sorry. Just callin' it as I see it.

rubah
01-01-2005, 07:38 PM
I like aqua@.@; I dont' remember if I've heard their third cd, but their second one was quite a bit worse than their first:/

there's one I found onetime, I think it's called Beyond the Pale of the HOrizon. they were pretty bad. . .

JFK and the Conpipators-- just weird. . . Wilson Picket isn't my favorite, and most country artists as well. not a big fan of trapt, and I didn't like nofx until I heard their cover of Radio^^;

Oh, horrible band: Molotov. one of their songs is called 'here we kum' and I am so serious. it's scary.

it's hard to pick bands that are bad:/ Mostly you think 'oh man they did that one song I hate' but it doesn't usually mean they're really bad. So much easier to pick bands that are good^_^

Doomgaze
01-01-2005, 07:51 PM
-D12-Anyone associated with Eminem makes me sick.
-All pop boy bands-Dance like a bitch, sing like a bitch, and get paid like a king?! What is wrong with this picture?!
-Sugar Ray-Only preppies get Sugar Ray, and the Juggalos want to get Mark McGrath in their sights.
-Dixie Chicks-More like the Traitor Chicks. I still haven't forgiven these hoes, and I never will.
-Pearl Jam-A poor man's Creed, only dumber.
-Europe-Three words: "The Final Countdown."
-Poison-Believe it or not, I used to like these weirdoes in the 4th Grade. After that, though, I got my head straight.
-Aqua-That's self-explanatory, wouldn't you say?

Those are the things I hate in the world of music groups.


I don't think ICP fans should be allowed to criticize anyone's taste in music.

That said, I personally don't much like Pearl Jam (overplayed, and Eddie Vedder is a dick) but they're far better than Creed, who just ripped them off and slapped Jesus on it.

Evanescence isn't really bad, but they're certainly overrated.

As for Linkin Park... I like the asian guy, the DJ, I don't remember his name. The rest suck. And like I've said before, Jay-Z isn't a very good rapper, much less a musician in general.

EDIT: Traitor Chicks -
On March 5, 2003, Natalie Maines provoked controversy in America by saying, during a concert in London, that the band was "ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas". Maines is a native of Lubbock, Texas. Following the uproar and a boycott of their music, the singer attempted to clarify matters on March 12 with the statement "I feel the President is ignoring the opinions of many in the U.S. and alienating the rest of the world."

So that's traitorous, huh? Sadly, every day that passes makes me think I will see another american civil war in my lifetime... Part of a greater war against religous fundamentalism of all kinds, most likely.

Yamaneko
01-01-2005, 08:01 PM
Musically, Rap and Hip-Hop are all terrible. I don't think anyone can argue otherwise. Almost all Rock is terrible. Almost all Pop is terrible. Almost all Country is terrible. Almost all R&B is terrible. Almost all Electronic music is terrible. Almost all Jazz is terrible. Almost all Blues is terrible. That leaves about 2% worthwhile music one can listen to. You find that level of worthwhileness in any kind of artform. Deal with it. Not everything is the greatest band ever. Oh, and I honestly believe that the music I listen to is better than Evanescence.

Doomgaze
01-01-2005, 08:02 PM
Sturgeon's Law.

Pure Strife
01-01-2005, 08:06 PM
i hate the Darkness they have all the musical talent of a fish with a banjo, it's time this overblown queen tribute band (i didn't even like queen) were put down and there guitars burned for being soiled with some of the worst rifts ever. He's a little message for the band " a higher pitch doesn't automaticaly make it better"

I'm not really a fan but I do love watching the Hawkins brothers soloing. I'd say they have more talent than a lot of bands based purely on their lead work, and the rest isn't atrocious, imo.

As for Evanescence being extremely talented, I'm not sure I'd totally agree there. I like Amy's voice, but they have no freakin riffs, it's all powerchords over and over not even done that brilliantly. The odd solo was a nice suprise, but nothing that really stood out.

As for bad bands, the Rasmus spring to mind, though the intro to In The Shadows was rather cool.

ChibiInuYasha
01-01-2005, 08:36 PM
You know what REALLY sucks? People who think if a band doesn't have a deffinate genre that it sucks and people that are so intent on being "hardcore" and "different" that they think any music on the radio sucks and they "sold out" just because they got discovered. That point aside, Amy Lee is an incredibly talented singer.

escobert
01-01-2005, 10:44 PM
That's a bit random. Like Aurey, I don't like Evanescence. In fact, I agree with you completely. However, it's not too wise to say so, on this board, specifically. People simply won't agree with you just because you say so. People like them, for whatever reason, and so let them do it. I like country rap music, and people do nothing but make fun of me for it. I know that they're wrong, but telling them that really doesn't make much of a difference. The Evanescence fans here certainly will do the same...ignore you.

EDIT: Nas > all :p

Crazy the Clown
01-01-2005, 10:52 PM
I don't think ICP fans should be allowed to criticize anyone's taste in music.

First amendment, dawg. Someday, you'll understand.

Sweet Beloved
01-02-2005, 04:25 AM
You know what sucks more than any of these bands? People who stop liking bands because everyone else says they suck.

I like Evanescence, and Avril's music. I wouldn't say any band is bad because if there are people who are made happy by their music then there's nothing wrong with them. I always wondered why people don't just NOT LISTEN to what they don't like, instead of spending half their lives obsessing over how much they "suck". Yeah. -_- [/rant]

Yea. I wonder bout that too. If you don't like them, why listen? The point please? And Yea, Evanescence is a great group. Avril, Yea, I like her better than Hilary Duff to be honest. I like Avril's song like, "Nobody's Home" That's a good song.

Doomgaze
01-02-2005, 05:10 AM
"Avril, Yea, I like her better than Hilary Duff to be honest."

I like Avril Lavigne better than having red hot pokers shoved into my eyes, doesn't make her good :)

Sweet Beloved
01-02-2005, 06:31 AM
Yea. Me 2. Phsyco obsessed Hilary Duff fans *My poor buddy Sarah* scare me. *Shivers* But oh well.

Thunday Man
01-02-2005, 08:10 AM
I have to admit.. i hate Evanescence.

Worst band that made it big in a long time.

Seriously, they put out bad music time and time again.

Amy Lee (i think that is her name) is also one of the WORST live singers i have ever heard. She is absolutly terrible (not to mention ugly, flat and in dire need of a tan[and singing lessons])

nik0tine
01-02-2005, 09:03 AM
Music doesn't have to be "good" in order to make it worth listening to. Nor do the musicians (not artists. Modern music is NOT art) have to be talented. The only music that is "good" is classical music, and the only artists who are talented are classical musicians (of course, there are exceptions to these rules. Alot of modern day musicians have talent, and their work can be considered art, but the ratio of talent to crap is depressing) Anyways. I listen to punk rock. Not Avril BS punk rock, real punk rock. From a musical stand point it sucks. From a literary stand point, the lyrics suck. In fact, it's got to be some of the <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>tiest music around. However, I still love listening to it and rocking out like a moron. I love Bob Dylan as well. His lyricas are amazing but his voice sucks. However, I still love it to death. My point is that music does not have to be "good" in order for it to be worth listening to.

jrgen
01-02-2005, 11:14 AM
It seems like you totally misunderstood the concept of music.
Music IS art, no matter when it was composed or what genre it is.
There are more talented musicians today then it was in the 18th or 17th century,
because music is more common today then it was back then.

If you for example look at the art of drawing,
the most common art you will see, is grafitti or "[insert random name] was here".
That doesn't mean it's the best there is.
You don't have to stick to what MTV/the subway station feeds you.

IMO, people listen to music because it sounds good
and if the music sounds good, it is good music.
The talent of composing is relative depending who's judging it.
There is more to music then just copying famous musicians who set the standards,
or being able to handle your instrument well.

Sweet Beloved
01-02-2005, 11:19 AM
*Nods head for Jrgen* I agree.

*ETERNAL FANTASY*
01-02-2005, 01:27 PM
All rap bands and singers suck
rap= retards attempting poetry

Harsh mate harsh!

heres the thing:

STOP LISTENING TO COMMERCIALISED RAP AND GO UNDERGROUND OR OLDSCHOOL with the exception of the neptunes commercial rap go ghetters just suck but to say ALL rap sucks is just plain rude there!

Seriously these days i just dont take music seriously!!

Meat Puppet
01-02-2005, 01:38 PM
I'm a little sickened by Good Charlotte. I like the quote "If Good Charlotte looked like they sounded, they'd be wearing pink frills and tutu's."

Not exact, but close.

Sweet Beloved
01-02-2005, 02:01 PM
Well I Luv em so that's that. :D :D Can't help it.

§håd0w
01-02-2005, 02:15 PM
Yeah.. Punk nowadays sucks as well. Er, did I say Punk? I meant Emo.

The few bands who are stiill alive from way back, like Rancid, Bad Religion, and Fugazi are now starting to go soft. Well, maybe not Fugazi, since they're the only ones who still do shows for $3.

What you see now isn't Punk. Punk wasn't about making money at all.

muchacho
01-02-2005, 08:52 PM
avril.

Dingo Jellybean
01-02-2005, 09:53 PM
All rap bands and singers suck
rap= retards attempting poetry

That's such a stupid statement really. You should try reading the lyrics to some rap songs like "World So Cruel" and "Ghetto Gospel." But I know you didn't, because you're too biased to give it a chance.

Anyways, bad bands start with Hanson. Then we can trickle down to...let's see, some one hit wonders include - Yellowcard, Bowling For Soup, and probably Simple Plan. These bands only have 1 good song and the rest is just junk. Too much screaming and loud guitar playing. And please, their voices suck. They can barely hit an octave.

Rye
01-02-2005, 10:02 PM
I agree with the Simple Plan comment, and maybe even Bowling For Soup, but I like Yellowcard. I love how they incorperate violins into their music. *can't get enough of violins*

SomethingBig
01-02-2005, 10:09 PM
I really don't like goth bands and also rappers. I don't think I'm really quallified to say that I like Evanescence, seeing as how I've only heard three of their songs, which I've liked, but so far their music isn't bad, in my opinion.

muchacho
01-03-2005, 03:29 AM
most of the bands that suck are the ones on mtv. everyone thinks they are good, but they have no talent and the band knows it too. i was reading a guitar magazine, and it had the guitarist from i think it was new found glory and the guys said he couldnt play the intro to "fade to black". now ive only been playing guitar since august, and im not going to say im a great guitarist, BUT i can play fade to black. now what does that say about the band/guitarist. now a days bands have 0 talent.

Meat Puppet
01-03-2005, 03:50 AM
As always, the best music is found "underground".







....IMO.

DMKA
01-03-2005, 04:54 AM
You all stink. Backstreet Boys are where it's at, yo.
Yes.

Skogs
01-03-2005, 05:01 AM
Simple Plan, Dashboard Confessional, Evanescence, Good Charlotte, Yellowcard (having a violin player does not make you cool), the Rasmus, HIM etc. are all pretty awful for being quasi-talented pop-pushers for disillusioned teenagers trying to be different to the pop-addled teeny-bopper masses. Keane and Snow Patrol should be shot for being terminally dreary. Music for sheet soilers as Justin Hawkins said. Coldplay have gone downhill since their first single and probably should join them.

You know I'm right. :D

Dingo Jellybean
01-03-2005, 05:16 AM
Simple Plan, Dashboard Confessional, Evanescence, Good Charlotte, Yellowcard (having a violin player does not make you cool), the Rasmus, HIM etc. are all pretty awful for being quasi-talented pop-pushers for disillusioned teenagers trying to be different to the pop-addled teeny-bopper masses. Keane and Snow Patrol should be shot for being terminally dreary. Music for sheet soilers as Justin Hawkins said. Coldplay have gone downhill since their first single and probably should join them.

You know I'm right. :D

Yeah, Coldplay was okay initially in 2000. Then like...they've rolled down a hill and never stopped. "Clocks" is good...but only because of the piano playing. The lyrics for the song are drab and I've never really found out why people thought they were the next U2. I don't hate them or anything, but they just seem like a much duller U2.

Skogs
01-03-2005, 05:19 AM
Oh yeah. I forgot about U2. They should be put down - it's the only humane thing. They've had a good run of it but watching them now is just painful.

Rye
01-03-2005, 11:58 AM
Actually, Evanescence isn't a teen band. I think Amy Lee is the youngest member, and she's 23.

Polaris
01-03-2005, 12:07 PM
evanescence is just a bunch of posers. they are the worst thing to happen to music since linkin park except they have a singer and every person that likes one likes the other.evanescence can't decide if there pop or punk. i just think there are to many people who like bad music and i wanted to enlighten them.so sell your t-shirts and cds and by some good music.try something thats not on the radio yet.

:whimper: :crying2: LP and Evanescence are my favourite bands... and they are great!!!! I like most of the bands and i just can come up wioth good bands like HIM, MAROON5, THE PIRATS, U2 and COLDPLAY!

XxSephirothxX
01-03-2005, 02:42 PM
Hmm...let's see....99% of country music. Oh yeah...also, punk, rap, and most pop...pretty much anything popular among my age group. :D

Itsunari 2000
01-03-2005, 11:57 PM
Steps , S-CLUB 7 , POP!, Fast Food Rockers( cheesier than 50 tonnes of gorgonzola ... * vomits violently *), Hearsay ,Bros, Slipknot, Hanson ( vomits violently again) Oasis ( basically , two arrogant , common yobs trying to make good music )Big Brovaz, Milli Vanilli( I need a doctor ... ), Audio Bullys, oh , and ... the Cheeky Girls , for subjecting the public to their gutteral , mind-numbing drivel that their disillusioned fans call talent !!!!

§håd0w
01-04-2005, 12:53 AM
Don't go hatin on Milli Vanilli :p

Sweet Beloved
01-04-2005, 01:09 AM
I like Switchfoot myself too. They're pretty cool. BTW, what happened to S Club 7? Did they quit?

kikimm
01-04-2005, 01:24 AM
Well, there's a lot of stuff that I can't stand, but it's easy enough to avoid---except whenever I turn on the tv. I wish they'd play other things than rap, but there's nothing I can do about it, since I can't get MTV2---if it's any better.

That said, Simple Plan, Yellowcard, Avril, Evanescence, Good Charlotte, Newfound Glory, and other bands that sound similar are annoying. Sum 41 goes in the same group. To me, it all sounds the same. Most, most of those lead singers are all nasaly voice that get on my nerves.

All country music. *sigh* It had to be said.


:D

nik0tine
01-04-2005, 01:39 AM
It seems like you totally misunderstood the concept of music.
Music IS art, no matter when it was composed or what genre it is.

No, sorry, but it isn't. Art requires deapth, pop music has no deapth. Therefore, pop music cannot be art. Some of today's music IS art, but there isn't alot of it, and very seldom will you hear it on the radio. That doesn't make a band bad, it just means that they aren't artists.


All country music. *sigh* It had to be said.

I agree with this, for the most part. But, not ALL country music sucks. Have you ever heard Johnny Cash? I actually rather like old country music that sounds really really hokey. (Boxcar Willie, anyone?) Today's country music sucks, though.

Crazy the Clown
01-04-2005, 02:10 AM
Don't go hatin on Milli Vanilli :p
"Girl, you know it's-Girl, you know it's-Girl, you know it's-Girl, you know it's...."

The day Milli Vanilli died.

Moose Knight
01-04-2005, 03:45 AM
No, sorry, but it isn't. Art requires deapth, pop music has no deapth. Therefore, pop music cannot be art. Some of today's music IS art, but there isn't alot of it, and very seldom will you hear it on the radio. That doesn't make a band bad, it just means that they aren't artists.

You can't measure depth. There's no objective method to determine which music is the deepest. The best way is too just listen to the music. If it sounds cool, great.

A great example - Contemporary C;assical Music (Like what they play at art centers and such). This music is extremely deep (at least according to the people with mass knowledge of music theory who analyze it all day) but it sounds horrible.

MoonsEcho
01-04-2005, 07:46 AM
It really, really irritates me to no end the way that some people will say that a band sucks because they "can't decide if they're pop or punk" or other things similar. Honestly, it is beyond me why everything has to have a damn label. Stop worrying over what effing stereotypical genre it fits in and just take it for what it is.

All that being said, I think Evanescence's music is great. I still like Linkin Park, but I really haven't heard anything too new.

Ok, the topic is bad bands, right? Well then here are some bands that I don't like.
Good Charlotte
Hanson
Slipknot

Of course, just because I don't like them doesn't necessarily mean that they ARE bad, now does it?

Skogs
01-04-2005, 11:48 AM
Actually, Evanescence isn't a teen band. I think Amy Lee is the youngest member, and she's 23.

I mean band that's fan base comprises almost entirely of teenagers. If I went to an Evanescence concert, I'd all of a sudden feel very, very old. Which is scary considering I'm only 20.

jrgen
01-04-2005, 12:16 PM
No, sorry, but it isn't. Art requires deapth, pop music has no deapth. Therefore, pop music cannot be art. Some of today's music IS art, but there isn't alot of it, and very seldom will you hear it on the radio. That doesn't make a band bad, it just means that they aren't artists.
I totally disagree.
Reducing what art is to merely one attribute is just stupid.

Pure Strife
01-04-2005, 05:42 PM
I mean band that's fan base comprises almost entirely of teenagers. If I went to an Evanescence concert, I'd all of a sudden feel very, very old. Which is scary considering I'm only 20.

Quite likely. I went to a HIM concert not long ago, and the only person I saw who looked older than 17 was some guy who was taking his daughter to her first concert. And the support band, who were a 30/40 something Brit band called Cathedral who awesomely made up for having to stan around watching HIM :D

Shockwave Pulsar
01-05-2005, 12:24 AM
I totally disagree.
Reducing what art is to merely one attribute is just stupid.
Are you really that qualified to determine that? i've studied music, guitar and bass, for about 4 years and all 4 teachers i've had agrees that not all music is art. It's not right trying to determine what's art or no, not having any bases to do so. Most of today music is not art, that a song "Sounds cool" doesn't make it art, that you like a song doesn't make it art, that you can pick up a guitar stroke a few chords and hypnotize youngster doesn't make you an artist. There's a lot of crap out there, but it in this matter i can most likely assure you that evanescence is not art. Most musicians will agree with me.

IMO

Dingo Jellybean
01-05-2005, 12:28 AM
Yeah, I don't go to concerts because I'd feel extremely old at 21. U2 concerts have like, 40-50 year olds...so I don't fit in there either. But eh...I usually don't care about concerts...listening to them live is almost never as good as listening to their CDs.

escobert
01-05-2005, 12:32 AM
I agree. Liv sucks except the fact youa re there and seeing the band. I'm sure back in teh day live was much better as they couldn't edit everything as well on CDs so people sounded mostly the same live and on the CD.

jrgen
01-05-2005, 01:16 AM
Are you really that qualified to determine that? i've studied music, guitar and bass, for about 4 years and all 4 teachers i've had agrees that not all music is art. It's not right trying to determine what's art or no, not having any bases to do so. Most of today music is not art, that a song "Sounds cool" doesn't make it art, that you like a song doesn't make it art, that you can pick up a guitar stroke a few chords and hypnotize youngster doesn't make you an artist. There's a lot of crap out there, but it in this matter i can most likely assure you that evanescence is not art. Most musicians will agree with me.

IMO
I still disagree.
If it is art or not could only possibly be determined by the author's intent of making the music in question.
When the music is made for the purpose of making music and nothing else, it might not be art.
But I think the composer always to a certain degree wants his/her/it's work to be good.

If I collect lots of horse <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>*, put it on a red vacuum cleaner and take pictures of it,
you will most likely think the pictures suck, but they are nevertheless art.

*The stuff that comes out of your ass. Damn censorship.

§håd0w
01-05-2005, 01:23 AM
If it is art or not could only possibly be determined by the author's intent of making the music in question.
When the music is made for the purpose of making music and nothing else, it might not be art.
But I think the composer always to a certain degree wants his/her/it's work to be good.


Wrong, a lot of musicians do what they do for the money and fame. Nothing else. Take Good Charlotte for example, to them it's about the money and glamour. That was never was punk was about. Punk bands never made it big, because they always did stuff for little or no money at all. So not all music is art; it's a means of fulfilling greed.

jrgen
01-05-2005, 01:26 AM
But don't you think Good Charlotte atleast would prefer their music to sound good instead of suck?
I think the desire to perform well always is there to a certain degree.

Shockwave Pulsar
01-05-2005, 01:30 AM
So if a person who's never played an instrument tries to compose a song, using senseless chords, if using any chords at all it would be art because he had a desire for it to sound good or to be art?

nik0tine
01-05-2005, 01:41 AM
But don't you think Good Charlotte atleast would prefer their music to sound good instead of suck?
I think the desire to perform well always is there to a certain degree.
Yes but that doesn't change the fact that they don't put any effort into making it sound good.

Although I love punk rock, playing the same note over and over is NOT art.


If I collect lots of horse *, put it on a red vacuum cleaner and take pictures of it,
you will most likely think the pictures suck, but they are nevertheless art.

If the creator can find some sort of deapth behind doing that than yes it is art. Just not good art. When a little kid draws a picture of his or her family, that is art. It jsut is really bad art. However, when some teenager draws an anime picture because they like anime, it is more than likely not going to be art. It's the same with music. Ive composed some short things that I consider to be art. Just, really really BAD art. However, writing shallow pop songs is not art.

jrgen
01-05-2005, 11:38 AM
Who is supposed to budge what is art and what is not then?
Those who already are artists of course judge it by their standards of what music(or depth) is supposed to be.
That would totally remove originality from the picture.

Captain Maxx Power
01-05-2005, 01:23 PM
You want a bad, overratted band? Let's talk HIM...my personal most hated band ever. Period. Everything about them rubs me the wrong way. Their style of music, the fact that way too many people like them. However, there is one overwhelming factor that cheeses me off...ville. This weedy, talentless, chain-smoking....so and so that every chick wants to bed. Have I missed the point, or since when did women lose all taste? My word do I hate them so. :mad2:

edczxcvbnm
01-05-2005, 01:33 PM
You people want a bad band...the WORST band...EVER!

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Shadowdust
01-06-2005, 02:34 AM
Honestly, I hate just about everything that calls itself Punk. But one man's trash is another man's treasure. I figure there aren't too many people who enjoy what I listen to either. *shrugs* To each his own I guess.

GhandiOwnsYou
01-06-2005, 03:35 AM
How about we try this....Music is freaking music. There are a lot of things out there that i'm not a fan of. at all. this tends to include a lot of pop, and a lot of country. but that's my personal taste. in their own genre, it's music, and it's brilliant. it's just brilliant by a different set of rules. The only thing that I CANNOT stand is someone who shamelessly tries to act one way, or proclaim a mindset or culture or genre, and fits in no way with that genre at all. this includes the entire notion of pop punk. It's not pop PUNK. it might be pop rock, it might be something else entirely. But good Charlotte and Blink need to stop trying to play like they are punk. they aren't. respect yourself and start your own movement instead of trying to piggyback on DK and johny ramones legacy, ya know? it's a matter of pride. if your musics good, it doesn't need genre classification. this means stop putting patch clad, leather and denim wearing three foot mohawked dudes in your video. that's punk. you want your movement? Dickies, tight baby pink shirt and a trucker hat with some hot topic saying on it. Thats their movement (as of yet unnamed.) if it's not political (this is why i didn't mention green day. Punk is a movement of politics AND music. Greenday is all about the subculture, politics, and social commentary. definitively punks roots, even if the music may be a bit more melodic.)

Anyway,m what i'm saying is, like what you like, hate what you hate, but shut your freaking hole. unless somebodies got a boombox taped to your ear, what's your problem? change the radio station, don't buy the CD, the end. (btw, the pop punk rant was not on pop punk alone, that's just the example. new country calling itself country when all it is is alterna-60's style southern rock, is ridiculous. Willy Nelson was country. JOHNNY CASH was country. this is rock, sorry. southern flavored, but rock. anyway, it's about respecting your music enough to let it be what it is without lumping it in.




as a LAST note.... Yes. Avril Lavigne said she was punk. Yes, this is a Horrid, Horrid thing to try to say. and yes, she did dress punk. look at her. she was covered in patchs, anarchy symbols, and the whole "screwed up misplaced suit pieces" thing that suddenly became trendy. she was trying, and even referenced her music as punk-themed, even though she had no idea who some of the fore-fathers of the punk movement are. Shame on Avril. She does have some decent teeny-bopper style pop though. way to angst, shame on you for demoting the punk culture.


have a nice day!

MoeSzyslak
01-06-2005, 04:00 AM
Bad Bands=
Bad Religion
Bad Brains
Bad English
Badfinger
Aerosmith

§håd0w
01-06-2005, 09:38 PM
Bad Religion is not bad.

Crazy the Clown
01-06-2005, 11:17 PM
Bad Religion is not bad.
They're just named that way.

Rye
01-06-2005, 11:34 PM
Aerosmith is cool. :(

§håd0w
01-07-2005, 12:46 AM
Indeed.

Jack
01-07-2005, 11:35 AM
Hmmm. These are the stuff I'd NOT listen to if it wasn't forced down my throat everytime I turn on the Radio or speak to anyone.

HIM-Overrated. With a un-charismistic singer who proclaims the usual "expected" attitide to rock music. "Oh look at us! We're so angsty!" Some agnst is okay. But 3 albums sounding fairly the same, with no change in direction? That shows lack of creativity. Which is a crime in itself.

D12- hanging on Em's coatails. The fact that none can get a solo carrer shows how un-imposing they are. Say what you want about Em (i'm not a fan) but at least respect that he has personailty. A voice if you will. Bands that are remembered a long time have a lead singer that catches attention. Eddie Vedder. Kurt Cobain *groan* Billy Corgan Ian Curtis. Frank Black. Steven Tyler. Mick Jagger. Bjork. Cliff Richard. They have character. NONE of D12 has character in themselves.


That's just a few. Some things are down to taste anyway. Country Music is okay (My Mum likes it) I certainly don't but they have character. They also try not to fit into a cliché.
And as for the PUNK thing I think it all comes down to the difference between the US and the UK. Sex Pistols is Punk. Blink 182 are not. But in the US, they are classified as PUNK in some places. It's like the term HRADCORE. used to mean Politically charged Rock (RATM) but now it means Dance music. Blink are Pop/Punk.

[EDIT: Avril said her latest album was inspired by The Smashing Pumpkins in places (given to her by older band players). I listened to it as a fan of the Pumpkins, and seeing if she'd actually developed. I found nothing. the Pumpkins were notewortyhy for Sylvia Plath-like professing lyrics, altering quiet/loud and Guitar solos.It had none of these things. She lied to appeal more "knowing". That annoyed more than anything. If a band say something which isn't true, then that is a travety in itself.]

SadisticStreetSoldie
01-07-2005, 10:33 PM
GOOD CHARLOTTE my Lord they are so incredibly terrible how can someone sing that badly?! Even Britney is better than that 'hottie twin' and I'm sooooo sick and tired of some little idiot always going, "Oh my God! I love Good Charlotte! Joel and Benji are sooooooooo hott!" :rolleyes2. Someone please kill me slowly and painfully if I ever hear those sentences again! Anyway I think that I'm going to hire some assassins to murder these people :D:
Avril
Madonna
Britney
Kelly Osbourne the moocher (thank God her record company cut her off Madonna's version of "Papa Don't Preach" was a masterpiece compared to her cover)
Ashlee
Evanescence
and I'm in a rush and those are the only people I could come up with on the top of my head.

Crazy the Clown
01-07-2005, 10:44 PM
A couple more bands that make me sick, and why.

-Metallica-They used to be about the music. Now, all they care about is their money. That, and they practically left Napster in ruins. I'd like to beat Lars Ulrich down for that one!
-KoRn-Stands for Klearly overrated Rock nuisances.
-All those PETA artists-There's one thing they don't understand. If I want a cheeseburger, I will eat a damn cheeseburger. I gives no F if it offends you, because you done worked my last nerve with your terrorism tactics! Quit forcing your idealistic crap upon us meat-eaters!

krissy
01-08-2005, 12:07 AM
Avril Lavigne said she was punk.

i want a quote and a source.

Rye
01-08-2005, 12:45 AM
http://avrilsux.tripod.com/quotes.html

Here's a page of quotes by Avril. She actually compared herself to Kurt Cobain, said she was punk, bragged about not wearing a helmet and knee pads when skating, and other silly stuff. There aren't any references, but I'm looking.

Oh yeah, and good proof with some references, as this is neither pro or anti Avril:

http://www.recroommagazine.com/articles/avril.htm

She called her self "hardcore" :rolleyes2

EDIT:


"I wish everyone whould stop saying that I'm not "punk"! God damnit, I created punk for this day and age. Do you see Britney walking around wearing ties and singing punk? Hell no. Thats what I do. I'm like a Sid Vicious for a new generation. People look up to me and want to be me. And thats fine, just don't try to copy the sh*t I do!"

There. :)

jrgen
01-08-2005, 12:06 PM
"I wish everyone whould stop saying that I'm not "punk"! God damnit, I created punk for this day and age. Do you see Britney walking around wearing ties and singing punk? Hell no. Thats what I do. I'm like a Sid Vicious for a new generation. People look up to me and want to be me. And thats fine, just don't try to copy the sh*t I do!"
Haha, what a dumbass.

nik0tine
01-08-2005, 01:19 PM
"I wish everyone whould stop saying that I'm not "punk"! God damnit, I created punk for this day and age. Do you see Britney walking around wearing ties and singing punk? Hell no. Thats what I do. I'm like a Sid Vicious for a new generation. People look up to me and want to be me. And thats fine, just don't try to copy the sh*t I do!"

No... Did she REALLY say that? I mean seriously? Im not sure I even believe she said something THAT stupid. Has anybody ever seen a punk in a tie? Yeah she knows who Sid Vicious is, but has she heard of Johnny Rotten... Now that's the question.

§håd0w
01-08-2005, 02:48 PM
We just all need to shut up and listen to Bob Marley.

battousai9439
01-08-2005, 09:36 PM
I'll finish this... Avril is NOT punk! Some of her songs may have the punk SOUND, but the lyrics? It is a disgrace to even call that punk...

Punk is not about love and heartbreak, that's pop-punk & emo. Avril is pop-punk, definately.

I could go on forever, but I'll keep this short. Punk was originally about the world issues. It came around back when Reagan was in office. The original punks protested and rebelled against the Reagan administration. However, after Reagan left office, punk went underground. A few punk bands remained, such as the Dead Kennedys and NoFX. But a few years later, pop-punk came along and people started mistaking it for punk. It had the sound, but not the lyrics.


A few true punk bands still remain, though. You want real punk? Go pick up NoFX's "The War on Errorism", Anti-flag's "You've Gotta Die for the Government", The Casualties "On the Front Lines"

Listen to some of that, Avril! She would probably throw a fit and write some crappy song about how she really is punk. Pfft...

krissy
01-08-2005, 09:38 PM
^ War on Errorism is ok but nothing is as good as the decline.

SadisticStreetSoldie
01-08-2005, 10:14 PM
http://avrilsux.tripod.com/quotes.html

Here's a page of quotes by Avril. She actually compared herself to Kurt Cobain, said she was punk, bragged about not wearing a helmet and knee pads when skating, and other silly stuff. There aren't any references, but I'm looking.

Oh yeah, and good proof with some references, as this is neither pro or anti Avril:

http://www.recroommagazine.com/articles/avril.htm

She called her self "hardcore" :rolleyes2

EDIT:



There. :)
*CLAPS* Let's give a standing ovation for the fantastic people who made these websites!!!!! God has a place in heaven for you!!!!

Dingo Jellybean
01-08-2005, 11:12 PM
When Avril was in the Z104 Lounge, she was playing the guitar. She sounded pretty decent in it. Z104 is my local station in Washington D.C.

jrgen
01-08-2005, 11:42 PM
The original punks protested and rebelled against the Reagan administration.
Did you just say punk originated in the USA?

nik0tine
01-09-2005, 01:23 AM
We just all need to shut up and listen to Bob Marley.

Agreed.


Did you just say punk originated in the USA?

Ive actually heard that alot. I have to disagree though. I personally think that punk was created in England and the Pistols were the origionals (too bad they are sell outs now :( )

§håd0w
01-09-2005, 01:35 AM
It did originate in the UK; and I do believe Sex Pistols were the first to do so.


Anarchy in the UK

battousai9439
01-10-2005, 06:00 AM
Actually, there have been about 3 punk movements. Two in the US, and one in the UK.

The first one came in the late 60's, in the USA. It was pretty much the end result of many years of experimenting with progressive rock. This movement brought around bands such as The Velvet Underground, Iggy and the Stooges, MC5, and the Dictators.

The second movement was in the mid-70's, mostly coming from New York. This one brought bands such as Television, New York Dolls, Xray Spex, The Talking Heads, and the ever-famous Ramones.

The third movement is the one in UK. The 1976 Ramones tour of Britain heavily influenced the flood of new wave bands with their high-speed rock, bringing along with them the basics of the punk look and music. That's when the Sex pistols cam along, §håd0w...

nik0tine
01-10-2005, 06:10 AM
I have to disagree. I consider The Stooges, MC5, Richard Hell etc. to be more like "pre punk" and the Ramones and The Sex Pistols formed around the same time.

battousai9439
01-10-2005, 06:34 AM
Well... that's your opinion, I respect that.

Makoto-Tribal
01-10-2005, 06:47 AM
Given the band broke up after there first real CD release, doesent this thread seem a little shallow to anyone?

In truth, I actually quite like some of Evanescances work. For example Haunted made its way into my playlist pretty damn quick. Of course, a lot of there work is just too depressing for me to stomache but that dosent mean I dislike them as a band.

I dislike there lead female singer just because she abandoned them so quick - and shes already in another band O_o

Then again I tend to like most anything that has decent lyrics and an actual tune to it, as long as its not annoying 'ghetto' culture or that perverted crap that passes for pop music of recent years, I'll probably like it.

:..2-2-7..:

Jack
01-10-2005, 09:40 AM
I'm glad we're not all saying that popularity and good sales means "Good"
Otherwise we'll have to claim an awful lot of bands s "bad"

krissy
01-11-2005, 01:29 AM
I'm glad we're not all saying that popularity and good sales means "Bad"
Otherwise we'll have to claim an awful lot of bands s "good"

Dingo Jellybean
01-11-2005, 06:31 AM
I dislike there lead female singer just because she abandoned them so quick - and shes already in another band O_o


Abandoned them? Evanescence is due for another album later this year. Amy Lee only did a song(Broken) with Seether AFAIK. They also just performed this past New Years. If she abandones Evanescence, they wouldn't be much of a band anymore, they probably wouldn't keep the name Evanescence either.

Rye
01-11-2005, 11:38 AM
Given the band broke up after there first real CD release, doesent this thread seem a little shallow to anyone?

In truth, I actually quite like some of Evanescances work. For example Haunted made its way into my playlist pretty damn quick. Of course, a lot of there work is just too depressing for me to stomache but that dosent mean I dislike them as a band.

I dislike there lead female singer just because she abandoned them so quick - and shes already in another band O_o

Then again I tend to like most anything that has decent lyrics and an actual tune to it, as long as its not annoying 'ghetto' culture or that perverted crap that passes for pop music of recent years, I'll probably like it.

:..2-2-7..:


Actually, Amy Lee was always with them. :o It was their lead guitarist who left them. Amy Lee is the only reason they're still together, but originally it was Amy's and Ben's (the lead guitarist) band. Amy just did one song with her boyfriend's band.