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Dingo Jellybean

01-02-2005, 09:44 PM

EDIT: 4 skulls were suppose to appear in the title, but eh. The real title is: To all you rap haters: <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif> you.

I'm so tired of it. I don't know what people have against rap. Yes, I know some of you baffoons will say "Well, what about you hating anime?" I hate anime for legit reasons. The only reasons I hear people speak of rap is "Oh, it's just bad poetry" or "Anyone associated with Eminem sucks." Yeah, thanks for your "enlightening" comments.

Most of you who hate rap are the most immature people I know. Rap is not my main form of listening music, I still prefer alternative/rock. But I always see rock-music people bashing on rap more than any other group. Not even country music fans bash rap as much as you "white-Americans" as Eminem likes to call them. That wasn't meant as a racist remark, I'm only quoting Eminem. But he's right, most of what I observed is that upper to middle-class White-Americans are more against rap than any other group of people I know.

I'm not saying rap fans don't bash you rock fans, but I hear more negativity from rock-fans towards rap than rap fans towards rock. It's stupid really. I don't listen to country music, I don't like it. But I don't hate it. Some of you rock-fans needs to listen to some Bone or Biggie, I swear...you guys just refuse to give anything a chance.

-N-

01-02-2005, 09:46 PM

Some rap-haters have legit reasons. Obviously this hasn't been considered.
What they are, I wouldn't know.

theundeadhero

01-02-2005, 09:53 PM

I just prefer other music so much more.

Rye

01-02-2005, 09:58 PM

Rap is catchy, and a good listen sometimes, but I really don't consider it music. The rappers are good song writters occasionally.

I like Eminem actually, his songs are good, but the rappers that constantly talk about some girls ass are very irritating. A good example of a terrible rap song is Snoop Dogg and Pharrel's Drop it like it's Hot. It's like:

*insert repeating beat* *insert ebonics speaking person* *insert tongue clicking noises*

krissy

01-02-2005, 10:03 PM

lol music genre drama

my fave's are Prefuse 73 and Blackalicious
dunno if i can say The Streets
also Beastie Boys (Paul's Boutique)

but the rappers that constantly talk about some girls ass are very irritating.

agreein. also for the record, rock singers who whine about how horrible life is and how everything is breaking down sorta get on you after a while too.

yeah that drp it liek its hot song sucks

Kathryn

01-02-2005, 10:04 PM

RAP IS DA BOMB DON'T BAG IT OUT!!! EMENIM IN THA SHAW SLIMSHADY!!!!!!!

theundeadhero

01-02-2005, 10:08 PM

Dingo Jellybean

01-02-2005, 10:09 PM

I don't understand why it's such a big deal if other people don't like what you do. My Mom likes tomotoes and I don't. I like video games and my Mom doesn't. OMG, I should never talk to my Mom again. Just accept people don't like the same thing you do and move on.

I'm not saying that. I don't care if people don't like rap, I can accept that. All the reasons for hating rap is stupid. People assume it's just about guys talking about "booty" and "guns." Not like that at all. But I take it you took offense to what I said. But the next time people talk about how rap is all about booty, rock is really just all about people pretending to be depressed and how they have it so bad in life. Please. It's the pot calling the kettle black all over again.

I know that rap doesn't require too much talent(other than R&B, what mainstream music these days does?), but it's not like rap is just "<img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif> you whores" or "Imma kill you". At least you can understand what they're saying.

I can't even understand what the hell rock bands play most of the times because of all that screaming and mindless electric guitar playing.

If anyone has heard bands play acoustically, THEY ARE GOD AWFUL. With very few exceptions, bands obviously cannot play the right notes on acoustics if their lives depended on it.

But there are some bands that I adore like Five For Fighting or U2. There isn't a young band alive today that can hold a candle with U2. And no, don't compare Coldplay to U2...not unless you consider U2 dull, boring, and pretentious also.

While I don't like most rap, I would say 35% of it is good music. I never liked Snoop's music, never liked Dr. Dre, never liked Kanye West, and Shaggy is just plain horrible. But Bone, Biggie, and 2Pac were always my favorite rap artists. Bone especially. With their R&B tinged speed rap as someone perfectly described, it's truly unique.

Anyone who listened to Bone's "Crossroads" will most likely never say all rap sucks.

So for all you haters, go to hell.

Azure Chrysanthemum

01-02-2005, 10:14 PM

The style is repetetive, the lyrics are often vulgar and crude, and I dislike the overall way the music is executed. I am a fan of classical music, and rap does not in any way, shape or form, appeal to me. I hate it with a passion.

SomethingBig

01-02-2005, 10:15 PM

There are a lot of people that dislike rap for legitimate reasons. Yeah, there are people out there that hate rap just for the sake of hating it, but for the most part, the people that hate rap have good reasons for hating it.

I dislike new rap. Give me old rap, like MC Hammer and Puffy from the good ol' days, then I'll listen to it constantly. The majority of new rap, nowadays, is about killing/beating people, sex, and drugs and the rappers are usually only speed-talking with a base and snare drum playing in the background with an additional computer generated tune. I like my music with actual instruments playing and with singers that sing more than one tune. I also like lyrics that aren't just about murdering people. If you like rap, terrific. You have your tastes and I'll have mine.

Dingo Jellybean

01-02-2005, 10:22 PM

For the record, most bands have a DJ that generates music. So please, don't just put it on rap songs that have computer generated beats.

All music is repetitve, not one single genre isn't. So saying rap is repetitive while others is not is just bias.

And for rap singing only one tune, what makes that different from rock bands? Has anyone ever heard Linkin Park live acoustically? Anyone ever heard Creed Live acoustically? Good Charlotte? Hoobastank? Yellowcard? Bowling For Soup? They ALL stink. They couldn't hit an octave to save their lives. Some like Five For Fighting are great, and Green Day is decent enough that I'll listen to acoustically. At least U2 admits to being so-so acoustic players. So all these comparisons about how rap these days is just a single tune and repetitve beat is just the same thing with rock, country, alternative, and R&B.

While most rap is probably about drugs, sex, and violence...what about rock music? It's mostly about how life sucks and suicide. Please. If you're going to bang on rap like that, you might as well rip other genres that you listen to.

Kathryn

01-02-2005, 10:23 PM

EMINEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Azure Chrysanthemum

01-02-2005, 10:26 PM

Psychotic

01-02-2005, 10:27 PM

I don't like listening to rap. I like listening to rock. Rock sounds good to me, rap doesn't. That's my reasoning behind it. I'm not all that fussed if people don't like the music I do, or if they choose to be a "hater". As far as I'm concerned, people can like and dislike whatever the hell they want.

edczxcvbnm

01-02-2005, 10:27 PM

I hate a majority of rap. According to my brother I hate "Midwest Rap" the most. It is slow and full of base(base is necessary for music but I like trebbile notes more) and is just god awful. They don't even sing half the time. They are just talking or speaking the lyrics.

I like some west coast rap because it is the opposite to an extent. It is fast paced and they have electroic sounds to help for the beat, which for the most part are more trebbile than base) and they at least act like they are singing. I still don't like it but I don't hate it.

Not to say that all is good or bad in each catagory but for the most part this is how it is...at least to me and from what I am told by people who like rap.

Dingo Jellybean

01-02-2005, 10:33 PM

I don't listen to rock, and if you think Classical is repetetive, I beg to differ. While many songs have certain themes, the variety of music in the classical genre is astounding. You cannot listen to Pachelbel's Canon in D and Mozart's Requiem and say they are the same, unlike many rap songs.

I meant mainstream music. I agree that classical music requires the most "talent" to create, as I use to be an avid classical music fan, but nothing new that comes out is ever appealing. And eventually you get sick and tired of listening to the same thing again. So nothing new appeals, while the old gets boring. Not saying classical music is boring...but the fact that nothing new that sounds good ever comes out leaves it a very little fanbase.

SomethingBig

01-02-2005, 10:41 PM

For the record, most bands have a DJ that generates music. So please, don't just put it on rap songs that have computer generated beats.
That's true, but bands also use guitars and they are actually playing the instruments, whereas rappers are usually just speaking quickly.

All music is repetitve, not one single genre isn't. So saying rap is repetitive while others is not is just bias
I'll agree that most mainstream music is repetitive. However, great music, from back in the day, wasn't repetitive. Listen to Iron Maiden and Metallica.

And for rap singing only one tune, what makes that different from rock bands? Has anyone ever heard Linkin Park live acoustically? Anyone ever heard Creed Live acoustically? Good Charlotte? Hoobastank? Yellowcard? Bowling For Soup? They ALL stink.
I'll also agree that Linkin Park is godawful live, but Chester sounds great on their CDs. I've never heard Hoobastank or Creed live, but I've listened to a couple of their songs and they sound good singing. Also, the key word here is singing. Most, if not all, rap is usually just a bunch of meaningless speaking.

While most rap is probably about drugs, sex, and violence...what about rock music? It's mostly about how life sucks and suicide. Please. If you're going to bang on rap like that, you might as well rip other genres that you listen to.
That's usually just punk and goth music, and that's why I hate that type of music. Creed and Hoobastank don't sing about crap like that, though.

I whole-heartedly agree with you on how most mainstream music, nowadays, is nothing short of atrocious. There are some decent/good bands out there, though, that stand out. These bands are usually the underdogs of music society.

Rye

01-02-2005, 10:47 PM

Hoobastank live makes me want to cry. They're atrocious live.

krissy

01-02-2005, 10:50 PM

a lot of punk is political

you're all stereotyping music genres guys
there's good in every genre and there's crap in every genre

Azure Chrysanthemum

01-02-2005, 11:02 PM

I meant mainstream music. I agree that classical music requires the most "talent" to create, as I use to be an avid classical music fan, but nothing new that comes out is ever appealing. And eventually you get sick and tired of listening to the same thing again. So nothing new appeals, while the old gets boring. Not saying classical music is boring...but the fact that nothing new that sounds good ever comes out leaves it a very little fanbase.

That's not necessarily true, there are newer Classical albums that are simply amazing. Most of them are fairly obscure, but they ARE out there.

Del Murder

01-02-2005, 11:05 PM

I think rapping takes a great deal more talent than singing, but I don't have a problem with people disliking it, for whatever the reason. None of my business what they like.

Don't use curese words here and you won't get that problem again, Dingo.

Yamaneko

01-02-2005, 11:22 PM

I've yet to hear a Rap song that isn't some cheap beat over a cheap bassline played over and over for three and a half minutes. Music comes before the lyrics. Not that I fancy the "lyrics" most Rappers shout out.

escobert

01-02-2005, 11:24 PM

I mostly dislike rap except as most of you know Nas. I'll listen to Shyne, Puffy, 2pac, Biggie and a few others but for the most part I dislike rap. I HATE midwest rap. I <3 NY rap though. Wu tang, The QB and such. I really don't know why I like Nas more then any other rapper, I guess it's just because you can tell how he's grown through his 7 albums in the last 10 years. I <3 Nas http://www.iamnas.com/

Kirobaito

01-02-2005, 11:24 PM

I hate rap. I have legit reasons. I don't even really consider it music. People generally respond to a statement like this with, "Well, you're just not looking for good rap music." Well, I'm not about to search my life for good rap music, when there are other types of music that I enjoy 100 times more (country and folk) that are easy to find. My sister listens to the pop stations that play rap all the time, and it's just a bunch of crap. I don't want to listen to crap like that, talking about sex, drugs, and violence. There are easier ways to listen to good music that searching for it.

And can anyone blame me for not wanting to be near rap music? I deal with school everyday, walking to my car, getting a headache because of the bass coming out of people's car. The sound settings on my car are Treble 3, Bass -1. I can't deal with it.

If you listen to country and folk singers...listen to them play their instruments. They know what they're doing. They understand chord structure, and it's tasteful, in my opinion of course, an opinion not shared by many others. It's not too loud, a necessity in my opinion. Rap music is way too loud, and very little of it is actual <i>music</i>. Like Behold the Void said, listening to a classical piece like The Marriage of Figaro or his unfinished Requiem will show you what music is. Obviously country music does not get close to fulfilling the same type of musical requirements, but it's much closer than rap is.

There are always exceptions. There are exceptions in every music genre. I hate Pat Green, who is becoming more and more popular in the country music world. I don't like his voice or his song selection. His lyrics are dumb. However, there are plenty of other kinds of country music that come on that I do like. Rap, however, is a genre where it's too hard to find good music. I've never heard good rap music, and I'm not about to search for it. All of the rap I hear is not tasteful, too loud, and doesn't require any musical talent whatsoever. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to listen to it. And nobody can make me.

Furthermore, you can't ignore the issue of race. I'm sorry, but it exists. A middle class white male has absolutely no concern with listening to lyrics that don't apply to him. A lower class African-American male, however, can apparently relate to the lyrics. However, I can relate to Toby Keith's <I>Should've Been a Cowboy.</i> Though it seems dumb to some, I once had those same dreams of ropin', ridin', and wearin' my six shooter and ridin' my pony on a cattle drive, before I knew that there were very few cowboys left. That makes sense to me. That dream of being out in the open range appeals to me much more than being in the ghetto fighting for my life.

I hate rap music. I'm not afraid to say it.

boris no no

01-02-2005, 11:40 PM

IWell, I'm not about to search my life for good rap music, when there are other types of music that I enjoy 100 times more (country and folk) that are easy to find.
yeay i'nm not the only one that likes folk!! tho i prefer irish and new english stuff (altan, whapweasel :love: :love: peeping tom!!)

well i really don't like rap. as mentioned before its all about sex violence and wanting to get some. plus R&B sucks too. all that singing...it sounds like their trying to kill a mongoose :nibbles:
it seems to me that it is all the smae but i suppose your all thinking i'm sad listening to folk...but i don't care!! i like what i like and you like what you like.
i'm listening to early Bowie :love: right now!!! thats class music!

Dking'squeen

01-02-2005, 11:46 PM

I don't like most rap because some have absolutely NOTHING to say
They're talking about some B!tch on the corber that they picked up and all this other CRAP that makes no sense.It's the ones that mean something that i like
Lil Jon and teh east side boyz is an example. WTF?
Some of Eminem's stuff is catchy and is all i listen to besides DMX. Violent, yeah, but some of thier stuff actually says something.
And it makes it like all girls are beeyotches and nothing and...i'm done i just don't like it
Even though everyone around me likes it and knows it and recites it like it's something out of the bible, i don't listen to it.
It just doesn't appeal to me
Thanks but no thanks

nik0tine

01-02-2005, 11:53 PM

I hate rap and i'll tell you why. It doesn't sound good. Alot of the times, it's just damn irritating to listen to. Another reason would be the fact that main stream rap musicians don't write their own songs. If you don't write you're own songs, no matter what genre of music you play, you suck by default and I won't listen to you. Now let me talk about the "lyrics" in rap. They are pointless. (Usually. I do like some of eminem's stuff because he doesn't always sing about pointless bs) If you're gonna make music, don't waste it by singing about "bling" or "ice". Also, rap lyrics are violent and sexist. Im not going to listen to music where the rapper is singing about killing or beating someone up. I also refuse to listen to music where women are treated like objects. Women aren't objects, and they aren't sex tools. I can reinforce this point by asking, "Have you ever seen a rap music video?" This is why I hate rap music, and I think that I have reason enough to hate it.

Chris

01-02-2005, 11:57 PM

Rap.
I don't see how one would willingly choose to listen to this genre of music,
but I have absolutely NO rights to say that rap is bad.
Let me explain why: rappers like all other artists work hard to get their message spread out,
that being said; all who chooses to use their time entertaining people should automatically have our respect.

I can say that I don't like rap, but I have absolutely no right saying that rap is BAD.
Who am I to say that rap is a bad genre of music?

Sorry guys it just doesn't cut it.

Chris.

Agent Proto

01-03-2005, 12:07 AM

I don't hate rap, yet I don't like it either. Most of the mainstream rappers nowadays suck very bad with their annoying lyrics. Does that mean all rap is bad? Of course not. You also have to appreciate the fact that rappers basically are talented poets.

Thunday Man

01-03-2005, 12:13 AM

When ever Rye posts, i laugh.

I could only see that coming from a 14 year old girl.

First of all, Snoop and Pharrel must be doing something right. It was only like the #1 song in america.

"*insert repeating beat* *insert ebonics speaking person* *insert tongue clicking noises*"

Insert repeating beat - Hrmm, well almost every song has that. They use 3 or so different beats in this song however.

Insert ebonic speaking person - in this song, they arent really speaking ebonics much. even if there is an ebonic undertone, so what? Snoop is a gansta.

insert tounge clicking - Actually, this is very unique, and probally a big part in why it was a big hit. very catchy and different.

if that formula was that easy, i think there would be alot more rich people out there. these people are artists. not everyone could do what they do.

plus this song has some tight rhymes!!! Off his new album, R&G the Masterpiece, it isnt one of his best songs, but its not a bad song at all imo. Check out Pass it Pass it, Can you control yo hoe, the bidness, step yo game up, lets get blown and so many other great ones on there.

boris no no

01-03-2005, 12:21 AM

welll. just because it is popular dosn't mean its good...
look at the uk...i mean the WOMBLES have got a number one and i won't even get started on cliff richard...
plus don't pick on rye bout her age. everyone has an opinion. i agree with her, i'm a 19 year old girl.

Dingo Jellybean

01-03-2005, 12:28 AM

That's true, but bands also use guitars and they are actually playing the instruments, whereas rappers are usually just speaking quickly.

Not all rap songs are just pure base. 2Pac's I Ain't Mad at Cha is primarily piano based, along with Notorious Thugs. Destiny Child's Survivor is violin based as well.

The lead singer of every band has very little experience with an instrument.

But I also want to note, that while rapping is really talking, rock's lead singers are not that much better than rappers. None of them could sing a simple verse from R.Kelly's I Believe I can Fly. In fact, seldom do any lead singer can sing a proper note. They all scream or speak as well. I've yet to hear any lead singer actually sing to be quite honest.

And just because someone can sing, doesn't make the music good. Christina Aguilera can sing multiple octaves, but her music is never really that good. You look at an artist like Vanessa Carlton, who can't really belt it out, but makes great music due to her song writing and piano playing.

Also, because someone plays a guitar, doesn't really make them that talented. Electric guitars are much easier to play than acoustic guitars, and drums are not exactly instruments that require an amazing amount of talent. You look at some of the songs from Jay-Z's Black album, a lot of them had actual bands playing in them. You look at Bone Thugs n' Harmony's songs, a lot of them(almost 75%) had actual bands playing in them, some on the piano. It's amazing how people can say rap is so talentless, while most of the beats created are of actual instruments and not just computer generated.

Yamaneko

01-03-2005, 12:56 AM

Drums take an amazing amount of talent to play (if you want to play them well). Listen to some early stuff from The Who. No one but Keith Moon could have played that stuff.

How does it take more talent to play acoustic guitar than it takes to play electric guitar? Both instruments are limited to certain sounds that they can produce. And both instruments are limited in terms of what company of other instruments they can be played with.

I agree that singing and lyrics come after music, but adding a piano to a song doesn't redeem it from being garbage.

I agree that rappers are talented at speaking quickly, but they aren't poets.

Thunday Man: Please stick to the topic, and don't use demographics when arguing with other members. Rye has proved herself to be an above competent poster and her age should not be a factor within the discussion. Consider this a warning.

Rye

01-03-2005, 01:12 AM

That's true, Dingo. I love Christina's voice, but her songs aren't always that good. Her "Stripped" CD is nice, I have to admit. She may not have good songs, but they at least show off her range.

And I don't know what your problem is Thunday Man. Yeah, I'm 14, but at least I know to say "I" and not "i" when I'm talking. :)

escobert

01-03-2005, 01:21 AM

To everyone who says all rappers just rap about drugs "bitches" and violence, here is a song called I can by NaS:
Be, B-Boys and girls, listen up
You can be anything in the world, in God we trust
An architect, doctor, maybe an actress
But nothing comes easy it takes much practice
Like, I met a woman who's becoming a star
She was very beautiful, leaving people in awe
Singing songs, Lina Horn, but the younger version
Hung with the wrong person
Got her strung on that
Heroin, cocaine, sniffin up drugs all in her nose...
Coulda died, so young, now looks ugly and old
No fun cause now when she reaches for hugs people hold they breath
Cause she smells of corrosion and death
Watch the company you keep and the crowd you bring
Cause they came to do drugs and you came to sing
So if you gonna be the best, I'ma tell you how,
Put your hands in the air, and take a vow

Be, B-Boys and girls, listen again
This is for grown looking girls who's only ten
The ones who watch videos and do what they see
As cute as can be, up in the club with fake ID
Careful, 'fore you meet a man with HIV
You can host the TV like Oprah Winfrey
Whatever you decide, be careful, some men be
Rapists, so act your age, don't pretend to be
Older than you are, give yourself time to grow
You thinking he can give you wealth, but so
Young boys, you can use a lot of help, you know
You thinkin life's all about smokin weed and ice
You don't wanna be my age and can't read and write
Begging different women for a place to sleep at night
Smart boys turn to men and do whatever they wish
If you believe you can achieve, then say it like this

Be, be, 'fore we came to this country
We were kings and queens, never porch monkeys
There was empires in Africa called Kush
Timbuktu, where every race came to get books
To learn from black teachers who taught Greeks and Romans
Asian Arabs and gave them gold when
Gold was converted to money it all changed
Money then became empowerment for Europeans
The Persian military invaded
They heard about the gold, the teachings, and everything sacred
Africa was almost robbed naked
Slavery was money, so they began making slave ships
Egypt was the place that Alexander the Great went
He was so shocked at the mountains with black faces
Shot up they nose to impose what basically
Still goes on today, you see?
If the truth is told, the youth can grow
Then learn to survive until they gain control
Nobody says you have to be gangstas, hoes
Read more learn more, change the globe
Ghetto children, do your thing
Hold your head up, little man, you're a king
Young Princess when you get your wedding ring
Your man is saying "She's my queen"

Save the music y'all, save the music y'all
Save the music y'all, save the music y'all
Save the music

as you can see this song by a well known ghetto rapper is tellign kids that they can do whatever they wish when they grown up and to not fall to the life of the streets and drugs.

And here is another song Nas did on his new album. This song features his father who is a blues player the song is called Bidging The Gap

[Intro: Olu Dara singing]
See I come from Mississippi
I was young and runnin' wild
Ended up in New York City, where I had my first child
I named the boy Nasir, all the boys call him Nas
I told him as a youngster, he'll be the greatest man alive

[Verse 1: Nas]
Let's go!... Hey-Hey-Hey-Hey --
Tribrary of these rap skits, styles I mastered
Many brothers snatched it up and tried to match it
But I'm still number one, everyday real
Speak what I want, I don't care what y'all feel
'Cause I'm my own master, my Pop told me be your own boss
Keep integrity at every cost, and his home was Natchez Mississippi
Did it like Miles and Dizzy, now we gettin' busy
Bridging The Gap from the blues, to jazz, to rap
The history of music on this track
Born in the game, discovered my father's music
Like Prince searchin' through boxes of Purple Rain
But my Minneapolis was The Bridge, home of the Superkids
Some are well-known, some doin' bids
I mighta ended up on the wrong side of the tracks
If Pops wouldn't've pulled me back an said yo
[Olu Dara singing]
Greatest man alive (Nas: Yeah, turn it up!)
Gre-Gre-Gre-Gre-Greatest man alive!

[Verse 2: Nas]
The blues came from gospel, gospel from blues
Slaves are harmonizin' them ah's and ooh's
Old school, new school, know school rules
All these years I been voicin' my blues
I'm a artist from the start, Hip-Hop guided my heart
Graffiti on the wall, coulda ended in Spoffard, juvenile delinquent
But Pops gave me the right type'a tools to think with
Books to read, like X and stuff
'Cause the schools said the kids had dyslexia
In art class I was a compulsive sketcher of
Teachers in my homeroom, I drew pix to mess them up
'Cause none'a them would like my style
Read more books than the curriculum profile
Said, "Mr. Jones please come get your child
'Cause he's writin' mad poems and his verses are wild"
[Olu Dara singing]
Greatest man ? The great-greatest man alive

[Verse 3: Nas]
Hey-Hey-Hey -- My Poppa was not a Rollin' Stone
He been around the world blowin' his horn, still he came home
Then he got grown, changed his name to Olu
Come on, tell 'em 'bout the places you gone to
[Olu Dara singing]
I been to Saudi Arabia, Mozambique
Madagascar, Paris, Greece
The Middle Africa is where we lived
Better known as Queenbridge
[Nas]
Nas, Nas you don't stop
Olu Dara in the house, you don't stop
Muddy Waters' Howling Wolf you don't stop
From the Blues to Street Hop you don't stop
Tell 'em Pop

[Outro: Olu Dara singing / Nas adlibbing]
See I come from Mississippi (Let 'em know)
I was young and runnin' wild (Runnin' wild)
Ended up in New York City (Yeah!)
Where I had my first child (That's me)
I named the boy Nasir (Yeah, Daddy!)
All the boys call him Nas (Love ya, boy)
I told him as a youngster
He'll be the greatest man alive (You the greatest, Pop)
Greatest man alive (You the greatest, Pop)
Gre-Gre-Gre-Gre-Greatest man alive!
Rest In Peace Ray Charles

As you can see not all rap is about drugs sex a violence.

fire_of_avalon

01-03-2005, 01:37 AM

Dingo, the bands you mentioned don't count, because even people who listen to rock music don't like those bands. :D

That was a joke. I don't like rap because it just doesn't appeal to me, usually. If you want to argue about it, I can tell you the flaws I find within it, but ultimately that won't change your view on it, so why bother? If you hate rap, fine. If you hate rock, fine. If you hate me, fine. This is America. We're free to hate whatever we want. Even if it's something someone else likes.

Spatvark

01-03-2005, 02:39 AM

There is such a thing as good rap; I happen to actually like Eminem when most of the stuff I listen ot is punk and heavy metal, but most rap is absolute crap.

I listen to all sorts, though as I've already mentioned, punk and heavy metal make up the bulk of my listenings, such as soul, r&b (not that R. Kelly <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>e, more the Aretha Franklin and Al Green kinda stuff), blues, etc. In short, I listen to what I call good music; this of course is a subjective view, but in general, it's something most people can agree to. A melody, meaningful lyrics, good singing... most rap is a recycled beat with some guy talking quickly over it, about tits and ass. Then you get people like Eminem, who talk about not falling into the "gangsta rap" lifestyle (that's how I interpret his lyrics; it's more like "Hey, look at me. I'm a total <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>-up. Don't end up like me.")

When it comes down to it, there's bad rap and good rap, just like in every other musical genre. If we didn't bitch about it, what would we bitch about? If you don't like people bitching about your "favourite musical genre," well, tough <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>. People will always bitch about it. That's human nature. Personally, I couldn't care less as long as you don't subject me to listen to it. And that is the key point; if you dont' like it, don't listen to it.

YOU. HAVE. A. CHOICE. Quit whining about it and just don't listen to it.

MecaKane

01-03-2005, 03:08 AM

Not all rap songs are just pure base. 2Pac's I Ain't Mad at Cha is primarily piano based, along with Notorious Thugs. Destiny Child's Survivor is violin based as well.
If only the actual 'artists' had anything to do with putting the piano and violins in their <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>ty songs. Oh wait, 2pac's dead, he can't be bad. He's the best ever!

But I also want to note, that while rapping is really talking, rock's lead singers are not that much better than rappers. None of them could sing a simple verse from R.Kelly's I Believe I can Fly. In fact, seldom do any lead singer can sing a proper note. They all scream or speak as well. I've yet to hear any lead singer actually sing to be quite honest.
Hi, Led Zeppelin, Queen, Queen, <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>ing Queen, The Darkness since they're recent, and Aerosmith. Yah man, rock singers. Total crap.

And just because someone can sing, doesn't make the music good. Christina Aguilera can sing multiple octaves, but her music is never really that good.
So, rock singers can't sing.(false) But even if they did it wouldn't make them good? (also false) So, since R Kelly can sing and rape 17 year olds, that doesn't make him any better at what he does, too? Not that R Kelly is rap at all, or that rap and R&B are the same things at all.

Also, because someone plays a guitar, doesn't really make them that talented. Electric guitars are much easier to play than acoustic guitars, and drums are not exactly instruments that require an amazing amount of talent. You look at some of the songs from Jay-Z's Black album, a lot of them had actual bands playing in them. You look at Bone Thugs n' Harmony's songs, a lot of them(almost 75%) had actual bands playing in them, some on the piano. It's amazing how people can say rap is so talentless, while most of the beats created are of actual instruments and not just computer generated.
So, since rock bands have electric guitars and drums and bass they suck. But since Jay Z and "Bones", whoever the hell they are, use bands,that makes them good? Sure thing cheif!

Erdrick Holmes

01-03-2005, 03:11 AM

I persoanlly don't like rap. I don't care if others like it or not, I just won't listen to it.

Spatvark

01-03-2005, 03:21 AM

None of them could sing a simple verse from R.Kelly's I Believe I can Fly.

Listen to the Me First and the Gimme Gimmes cover of the song, and they actually make it good.

Doomgaze

01-03-2005, 03:25 AM

Man, Kane. you were doing good until you mentioned The Darkness. :(

p.s. QUEEN

Hiroshino

01-03-2005, 04:07 AM

Personally I really don't like Rap. I've given it a chance and some of it's alright. I like Rock because for one I grew up listening to it and I like it. You and all your genres of Rap and R & B can't even compare to the greatness of the original Black Sabbath. Grunge Rock sounds a hell of a lot better than Rap too, and let's not forget Alternative Rock. That's some of what I like. If you don't like it, I really don't give a shit.

Carnage

01-03-2005, 04:10 AM

My ass has more talent than 95% of all rapers.

TheAbominatrix

01-03-2005, 04:15 AM

Isn't it hypocritical to bitch about people hating rap and then turn around and talk about how crappy rock is?

Do I like rap? Hell no. Well actually I adore Outkast, and Beastie Boys, but most people dont count the Beasties as rap. I like a few Emeniem songs, but they get tiresome.

And I read somewhere back about punk rock being whiney and singing about cutting yourself and all that crap; that's radio 'punk' as far as I know. I've never heard an actual punk song like that (try listening to The Misfits, Lower Class Brats, Narcoleptic Youth, Naked Aggression, etc).

But of course, most folks generalize any genre they dont like and talk about the sheer diversity of their own, so I wont get into that.

Dingo Jellybean

01-03-2005, 04:28 AM

There is such a thing as good rap; I happen to actually like Eminem when most of the stuff I listen ot is punk and heavy metal, but most rap is absolute crap.

When it comes down to it, there's bad rap and good rap, just like in every other musical genre. If we didn't bitch about it, what would we bitch about? If you don't like people bitching about your "favourite musical genre," well, tough <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>. People will always bitch about it. That's human nature. Personally, I couldn't care less as long as you don't subject me to listen to it. And that is the key point; if you dont' like it, don't listen to it.

YOU. HAVE. A. CHOICE. Quit whining about it and just don't listen to it.

Rap isn't my favorite genre, alternative is. I never said anyone had to like rap, like the reply below to Abominatrix's statement, it's ironic how people put these false assumptions on rap and how easy it is to come up with music and how repetitve it is...yet what mainstream music isn't? People adore their "bands" so much that they think everything else sucks.

My ass has more talent than 95% of all rapers.

If that were true, you'd have a job making millions instead of being a regular Final Fantasy board member.

Isn't it hypocritical to bitch about people hating rap and then turn around and talk about how crappy rock is?

If that was a shot at me, you didn't read my replies in my other threads. I don't have anything against rock, but the fact that most rap haters are rock fans, I might as well point out the things that make rock "so bad."

I try to be diverse in my music, and most of my music consists of rock/alternative. All these haters who keep claiming rap is some kind of crap that grew from the asses of black folks are idiotic and I'm going to defend rap against these stupid assumptions. I don't care if people hate rap, but don't go around making these false assumptions about rap when these same allegations are true of rock music.

Some people don't realize that "D-12" is actually a band, a lot of rappers have bands, you just never hear about them. They claim rappers have no musical talent, but rock music isn't much different from rap. Rappers_DO_HAVE BANDS. It's just that a band doesn't have to have a guitar player, drummer, and a DJ. Has anyone seen Joss Stone's "band?" She's an R&B singer, but she has a keyboard man, guitar players, etc. So please, some of you people really need to do your research before you bash on rap.

Lastly(and least), Kane...just keep your yap shut. Seriously, I can never take you seriously because you don't even understand what I say. It's like you find the time to somehow change the intent of my words, so why should I bother replying to you? Shouldn't you be used as a stepstool to help people in the library reach for books?

Calliope

01-03-2005, 04:32 AM

I don't normally listen to rap, or R&B, although given the right mood I would quite happily listen to Jurassic 5, Crazysexycoolera TLC, and a few others.

Most of my qualms with rap concern the packaging, or rather the glorification of scantily clad girls dripping off of a rapstar merely because he has a lot of bling, and despite their apparent 'womanising' ways.

TheAbominatrix

01-03-2005, 04:34 AM

Rusty

01-03-2005, 04:37 AM

I personally love Rap, I appreciate the music, I respect artists like Eminem, 2pac and Outkast. If people don't like Rap then thats their choice, it doesn't bother me. I don't like it when people bash other peoples choice in music though just because it isn't their own.

Dingo Jellybean

01-03-2005, 04:40 AM

All I see is you saying mostly the same thing about rock. Things about how no rock singer could do what R. Kelly does, all that crap. You're just as bad as anyone whining about rap. It's hypocritical, you can claim whatever reasons you want for it.

And cute about that Kane comment. To think I used to respect you. *shrugs and washes her hands of this nonsense*

It's like I said, you don't even read what I reply in other threads. It's all that you see here, doesn't mean it completely represents my views. I even stated that not all rock is bad, it's my main form of music...but what I said about R.Kelly was out of frustration, but whatever. I guess I'm not allowed to say things out of frustration.

I don't care if you respect me or not, and I barely know you...so I'm surprised you even had an ounce of respect for me. But whatever, I'm not the one turning this into a personal dispute.

I personally love Rap, I appreciate the music, I respect artists like Eminem, 2pac and Outkast. If people don't like Rap then thats their choice, it doesn't bother me. I don't like it when people bash other peoples choice in music though just because it isn't their own.

Thank you. It's what I've been trying to preach all this time. I never had anything against rock music, but when people bash the "flaws" of rap, I'm allowed to bash the "flaws" of rock.

Skogs

01-03-2005, 04:40 AM

The Roots (or is it just 'Roots'?) are good, but I can't admit to liking much rap at all. But then again, my favourite genre of music is rock, but the vast majority of modern popular rock bands are pretty crap anyway.

Del Murder

01-03-2005, 04:45 AM

Claiming not to be the one to turn things into a personal dispute is usually the best way to further one. Please keep that in mind.

There are only two conteporary artists that I will buy a new album from. One of them is eminem. I agree with Nicky that the rap image isn't for me, but I don't pay much attention to image or what the artists do in their free time. I just listen to the music and base my enjoyment of it on how it sounds. I find eminem to be quite enjoyable, as well as some other artists, but most of them don't make new albums anymore.

Dingo Jellybean

01-03-2005, 05:29 AM

For people who don't read my posts(you know who you are), I've summed up nicely what I've said in other threads and in this thread in a neat compact column:

www.geocities.com/dingojellybean2/rants.html

Before you get offended by what I wrote at the end, I advise you folks to _re-read_it_carefully before you decide to bash me, misquote me, or misinterpret me.

Hawkeye

01-03-2005, 05:39 AM

i dont like rap because i cant understand half the time. i dont like the style of music its in, and all the... rap-ers (w/e) act like they are all gangbangers (worse of all emenem or whatever) when they are really just posers.
why would i listen to something like that? its the same with country music, as it was cleverly stated in a webiste i frequently visit to, "why the hell would i want to listen to someone who pretends to be a f***ing cowboy and live in a $8million dollar mansion?"

as my biology teacher sees rap,'put the c before the r'

nik0tine

01-03-2005, 05:39 AM

And I read somewhere back about punk rock being whiney and singing about cutting yourself and all that crap; that's radio 'punk' as far as I know. I've never heard an actual punk song like that (try listening to The Misfits, Lower Class Brats, Narcoleptic Youth, Naked Aggression, etc).

Thank you.

Anyways, there is bad music in every genre, and good music in every genre. In rock, there is alot of good music, and less (albeit alot) bad music. It seems that in rap, there is more bad music than good music. I respect Eminem, but most of the other main stream artists are just horrible. I am however, seperating R&B from rap, like it should be. Most of today's mainstream R&B sucks, like Usher. However, some older R&B like Tony Braxton is some pretty nice stuff even though I don't really listen to it.

UltimateSpamGrover

01-03-2005, 05:47 AM

Rap is alright, but Enimem... no

Casey

01-03-2005, 06:50 AM

Ya know I even used to listen to Eminem, but I dont like his music now. Eminem forgot to put the F in front of his name. What I mostly listen to these days is: Mos Def, Talib Kweli, The Roots, etc. I dont like that gangsta rap <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>, some of the old school gangsta rap is ok (I know thats kind of contradicting)... If you dont like this form of music like others have said, then dont listen to it. :)

Leeza

01-03-2005, 08:30 AM

Lastly(and least), Kane...just keep your yap shut. Seriously, I can never take you seriously because you don't even understand what I say. It's like you find the time to somehow change the intent of my words, so why should I bother replying to you? Shouldn't you be used as a stepstool to help people in the library reach for books?
This was totally uncalled for, very rude and does nothing to help you with any point that you're trying to make. Keep personal attacks out of your debates.

EDIT: I don't like rap because the sound of it is very annoying and that's a very legitimate enough reason for me.

Meat Puppet

01-03-2005, 09:04 AM

Everyone around me is so hardcore rap, I can't go too far speaking my views on it without getting "blasted on", as they call it. Most of them I can't understand because they talk like their favourite bling-toting heroes. And what's even funnier is they're all tiny white farmboys.

Which... is funny for me.

01-03-2005, 11:07 AM

Might I start by saying that this is a very brave thread to make, even if it did get a little personal eventually. This was always going to turn in to a controversial issue, but at least there's some good debate mixed in there as well.

Now then, my CD collection is almost exclusively rock, or variants of rock. There might be a couple of movie soundtracks thrown in there, but I can certainly guarentee that there's no rap in there. There's not even anything close to rap, and that's the way I intend to keep it.

Nevertheless, I don't hate rap, or even dislike rap. As a matter of fact, I will actively listen to rap on the radio, sometimes (shock horror) ahead of rock music! The reason for this is very simple, rap is incredibly catchy. The beats, computer-generated and repetitive though they may be, stick in my mind. Certain lyrics amuse me. When it comes down to it, I'd rather listen to something mindless and catchy than something that obviously requires a lot of talent, but doesn't interest me. If talent were what I was looking for in my music, I'd do nothing but listen to Classic FM. In fact, this isn't the case, and I'll find myself listening to rap music from time to time.

That said, I'd never buy a rap artist's album, since it just doesn't have the lasting appeal to make me buy it. That sums up rap pretty well, in my view. It's good as background music, catchy to listen to, but simply not with enough substance to maintain lasting appeal. Does this make it bad music? Of course not. Like any other form of entertainment, it simply can't appeal to everyone, and cannot compete with other genres for my attention. For millions of other people, the situation is different, and rap music is their favoured genre. This alone suggests that rap music has to be doing something right, or else nobody would like it at all.

Of course, there's rap that I consider to be bad, and that I wouldn't listen to. But then the same is true of any genre. I'll take good rap over bad rock any day, and I'll gladly skip over K-DST and Radio X while playing GTA: San Andreas to listen to some of the catchy hip-hop tunes on Radio Los Santos. I simply don't like the rock/alternative music of the period, and therefore don't listen to it. I may like the genre as a whole, but none of the songs included are good examples of it, so I just don't listen. To summarise, I'm not a rap fan, but I listen to certain rap music over rock, because I consider neither genre to be completely good or bad.

If you hate rap, that's fine by me, whatever your reasons. But it seems to me that 'hating' a genre for the commonly cited reasons is a bit petty. You're free to listen to whatever you like, and it isn't like rap is being forced upon you. It may be all over the mainstream radio, yes, but that doesn't mean it can't be avoided. Simply don't touch those radio stations. Focus on what you like, instead of what you don't. It's no use blaming the artist for making bad music, when all you have to do is press a button to make it go away.

Meat Puppet

01-03-2005, 11:54 AM

Playback has better rap than Radio Los Santos.

Psychotic

01-03-2005, 04:10 PM

Playback has better rap than Radio Los Santos.But Radio: X and K-DST are still better. So is K-Rose. :roll:

Craig

01-03-2005, 04:30 PM

I myself prefer Rock but I will listen to anything that is catchy, where I live the majority of people who listen to rap are too busy beating "goths" and "skaters" up and stealing their money to give legit reasons why they don't like rock or whatever.

Hiroshino

01-03-2005, 08:37 PM

Yeah, where I grew up (Melbourne, Florida, basically Brevard County), you had all sorts of different kinds of people. Rockers, Punk Rockers, Rappers, R & B fans, Skaters, Goths, Metal Heads, etc. And not just a split race between White and Black; whereas, it was White (Caucasian), Black American, African American, Hispanic, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Latino (if that's what it's called and I think that's what was there), Oriental, Mixed, etc. I don't mind this because you have so many different varieties of people music-wise and race-wise. The reason I brought race into this was because you tend to notice a strict dividing line between "whites" and "blacks" where the "whites" like one thing and the "blacks" like the other. Unfortunately I moved to the Capital (Tallahassee, not in the city itself though) and now the majority is Black American and African American, few White (Caucasian) races, and VERY few of the etc catagory and some Mixed too I think. And the music is mostly Rap, R % B, and Gospel. Not much Rock here as there was for where I grew up at.

Like I mentioned in a previous post, I don't really like Rap at all, and would actually completely hate it if it wasn't for the few songs that I actually like. I gave Rap and chance and there are very few kinds of songs that I actually like. They aren't played on the radio (that's for sure) and they are mostly old songs too. Not old-school rap, but this rap is older than the modern day rap that we all hear about. As for the rest of it, I like that saying of putting the C before the R in Rap. R & B and Gospels are very annoying and unfortunately I have to listen to that on the bus when going to and from school and I'm not about to complain either..I just put up with it.

But yeah, like I said; nothing compares to the original Black Sabbath if you ask me. Yes, there is Rock that sucks horribly, I can vouch for that. Most of the Rock I'm hearing on the radio is horrible. I hear bands who pretend to be Rock and they suck at it. I like some of the modern Alternative Rock like Linkin Park for instance, but I really like the Harder Alternative Rock, Adult Alternative Rock, and the old-school Alternative Rock a lot because they sound better in my opinion. We're talking about White Zombie, Rob Zombie, Nine Inch Nails, and older stuff like that when I mention old-school Alternative. Personally, Korn is a harder Alternative as well, but that's in my opinion. Regular Rock is cool but most of the modern day stuff, sucks. I like the older bands of Rock such as Red Hot Chilly Peppers, Sublim, Bush (Bush might be Alternative for all I know), etc. But I also like the newer Rock such as White Stripes, System of a Down, etc.

That's stuff that I like from the late 80s, early-mid-late 90s, and a little after the late 90s. I also like Grunge Rock from the late 80s and the early 90s such as Nirvana, Alice In Chains, and Soundgarden. With that said, I might like the Garage Rock genre because they sound grungy like Grunge Rock did, I think. And Underground Rock kicks major ass. One band that I know of that was Underground that might have been Harder Alternative or Adult Alternative (if they weren't Underground) is Imprint. I only heard a demo CD from Imprint but they fricken rock in my opinion.

I also like older rock from the late 60s and all throughout the 70s. Classic Hard Rock, Classic Rock, late 60s Rock, 70s Rock, Psychedelic Rock, etc etc. Bands like the original Black Sabbath, The Doors, Led Zeppelin, Cream, Jimi Hendrix, Lynard Skynnard (sp?), Aero Smith, Pink Floyd, Ten Years Past, Eric Clapton (sp?), etc etc.

I even like some metal genre bands (different varieties but not much of any metal that I'm into) such as the older Metallica, Guns N Roses, Slip Knot, etc.

Comparing the stuff I like to Rap, R & B, and the Gospels..I choose my genres of Rock and Metal over Rap, R & B, and Gospels anyday. I don't care if you like Rap, just don't make such a big deal about it to where you have to fucking sing out loud in class that get's VERY old.

Like I said, if you don't like what I like, I really don't give a damn.

Emerald Aeris

01-03-2005, 08:57 PM

A lot of people hate that gangster type rap because, well, it's horrible. It doesn't sound good, it promotes violence, hate crimes, demeans women, promotes drugs, etc. No, not all rap is like that, but I really hate rap that's like that, and it's a large majority of the rap that's on the radio/tv. I like some Eminem songs, he is a good poet, even if I don't like some of the thins he says. I like some Sweatshop Union songs. But they're really not typical rap.

"I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one" Yeah, that's real nice. I hope you never get laid again, Jay Z.

Lon611

01-03-2005, 09:17 PM

boris no no

01-03-2005, 11:45 PM

But yeah, like I said; nothing compares to the original Black Sabbath if you ask me. Yes, there is Rock that sucks horribly, I can vouch for that.
the old-school Alternative Rock a lot because they sound better in my opinion. We're talking about White Zombie, Rob Zombie, Nine Inch Nails, . Personally, Korn is a harder Alternative as well,
Red Hot Chilly Peppers, Sublim, Bush (Bush might be Alternative for all I know), etc. But I also like the newer Rock such as White Stripes, System of a Down, etc.

That's stuff that I like from the late 80s, early-mid-late 90s, and a little after the late 90s. I also like Grunge Rock from the late 80s and the early 90s such as Nirvana, Alice In Chains, and Soundgarden. With that said, I might like the Garage Rock genre because they sound grungy like Grunge Rock did, I think. And Underground Rock kicks major ass. One band that I know of that was Underground that might have been Harder Alternative or Adult Alternative (if they weren't Underground) is Imprint. I only heard a demo CD from Imprint but they fricken rock in my opinion.

I also like older rock from the late 60s and all throughout the 70s. Classic Hard Rock, Classic Rock, late 60s Rock, 70s Rock, Psychedelic Rock, etc etc. Bands like the original Black Sabbath, The Doors, Led Zeppelin, Cream, Jimi Hendrix, Lynard Skynnard (sp?), Aero Smith, Pink Floyd, Ten Years Past, Eric Clapton (sp?), etc etc.

I even like some metal genre bands (different varieties but not much of any metal that I'm into) such as the older Metallica, Guns N Roses, Slip Knot, etc.
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took the words from my mouth!!
man i love you more and more!! :love: :love:
*reaches over to put NIN pretty hate machine on :love: *

jrgen

01-04-2005, 12:03 AM

The problem in this issue is that everyone looks at rap as any other form of music.
Mostly it isn't though. It's poetry spoken to a beat.
If you judge it like poetry, you can't say all of it sucks.
Someone is bound to have something intelligent to say.

CloudSquallandZidane

01-04-2005, 12:09 AM

Im gonna steal this next clip of words maybe someone who pays close attention to rap will know this song.

Lady: I thought hip-hop was only guns and alcohol...
Rapper: oh, hell nah... but yet its that too.

And it really is more than guns and alcohol. The good rap has an underlying message or point to why the song was written. I pick-up on these, and thats what makes me think of a rap song a good. Sometimes i do wanna hear, the "shake it" songs, but thats only to dance to.

Dingo Jellybean

01-04-2005, 12:57 AM

Might I start by saying that this is a very brave thread to make, even if it did get a little personal eventually. This was always going to turn in to a controversial issue, but at least there's some good debate mixed in there as well.

Honestly, I wish people would make threads like this more often. But current board rules don't allow too many topics that spawn flamers. It keeps the boards more interesting, but since these forums are not owned by me, I can't really make those changes. It's much better to have threads like this than "What did you have for breakfast?"

I knew right before I made this topic that I would not only step on some toes, I would nail them down. But I don't really see it as too controversial, many people think I'm against rock/alternative, yet many of them fail to read some of my posts. I'm more of a rock fan than rap.

I'm glad more of the recent comments in this thread signified that rap isn't all about hoes and <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>, and rappers do have bands and lead singers of bands are no better "singers" than rappers, for the most part.

What's frustrating of all is how people never see your implied intent. Like when I say "You can say that rock is repetitive too", they think I mean all bands. I thought many of the people here were old enough to know that the implied meaning is that "most" is repetitive...but whatever, 90% of all people never fully understand what others are saying.

Lastly, people should read what I posted in my Rants section on my website. It tells you all you need to know about my views, because maybe my frustration didn't portray them very well. But I get the feeling that once people read what I've said on my website and understand what I mean, you'll agree.

*Snip* That bit would have been better as a PM instead of a post. Although no one has asked you for one, if you know that you shouldn't have posted it publically, then an apology whould have been the correct thing to do in any case. ~ Leeza

Female Ryuichi

01-04-2005, 09:20 PM

Crazy the Clown

01-04-2005, 09:26 PM

There are only a few examples of rap I can't stand.

-Eminem.
-Kid Rock. (Post Carnival of Carnage.)
-Dr. Dre.
-50 Cent.
-D12.
-Tainted 2Pac music. (Eminem ruined Tupac Shakur's rap.)
-P. Diddy. (For some weird reason, I just wanna whip him with a chain.)

Other than that, ain't nothin' wrong with rap. ODB, Run DMC, and Digital Underground will always be rap legends.

Lindy

01-04-2005, 09:29 PM

Personally, I'd say "wiggers" alone are enough of a reason to hate Rap music, but then I don't hate Rap as a genre, I just dislike some rap artists because I find their music boring and rather generic. There are several I like, though not music I'd listen to constantly, I certainly wouldn't actively try not to listen to it.

There, enough of a reason for you?

Rye

01-04-2005, 10:13 PM

Yes, Wiggers are terrible. I'm so happy someone brought that up. If I see one more guy in some enormous spinner necklace they bought off ebay one more time, I'll cry.

Lon611

01-04-2005, 10:28 PM

Yes, Wiggers are terrible. I'm so happy someone brought that up. If I see one more guy in some enormous spinner necklace they bought off ebay one more time, I'll cry.

the truth never rang so loud. all of society's problems can be traced to wiggers, lol

Doomgaze

01-04-2005, 10:36 PM

Hear, hear.

escobert

01-05-2005, 12:10 AM

Wiggers do suck. I wear timberland boots and such and I like rap but, I know I'm white :p

Kathryn

01-05-2005, 12:38 AM

SNOOP DOG ROX!!!!!

Hiroshino

01-14-2005, 11:16 PM

i just think that people who hate rap and think that its just guys talking about killing ppl, doing drugs, and getting laid are just stupid. even in the case of VIOLENT songs, it wasn't unwarranted. in most cases, rap artists are just trying to get revenge for something that was said about them by another rapper. unfortunately, this leads to a never ending spiral (weirdest deja vu of auron's speach in ffx, lol). i mean, take a REAL artist, biggie, 2pac, etc. they talked about that, but also more important things, like LIFE. like feeding ur children. like giving props to your mom for what she went through,like mourning the deaths of ur closest friends etc, etc. rock does none of that.

in my eyes, i stopped listening to rock a couple years ago cuz most bands that were up and coming were repetitive, and everythign was so monotonous. i mean, how many interesting things can u do with 3, maybe 4 instruments?it got old to me after ahilwe. plus, everyone into rock at that time felt like they had problems and wanted to commit suicide.boring....

at least in rap they talk about specific problems, specific solutions, whlie making you want to get up and do something about urs. a majority of rock, on the other hand, are just vague and ambiguous sentences strung together about a tired subject to a couple of instruments.

I'm sorry but you are sadly mistaken man. While you are right about the part where some rap has meaning behind it, and I won't deny this, and how you are right about current rock which is monotonous and repetitive and boring, the rest is wrong. Rock, just like any other genre, has meaning behind it. Listen to some older Rock if the new stuff doesn't appeal to you. Apparently you are judging all of Rock when describing this new shit. Why don't you listen to Black Sabbath, Nirvana, Alice In Chains, Metallica, etc. You want to know what you can do with three or four instruments? Magic, that's what. And maybe the people into Rock do have problems and suicidal problems, you don't know that. How can you say what they felt? Maybe there are people who act like depressing suicidal human beings who need to get over themselves, but to me it sounds like you are judging a majority of people, and some, could have been going through some kind of trouble that would drive them to suicidal thoughts. You don't know that. And don't even tell me that they told you that they weren't or something like that; somebody can tell you one thing, and do another. Did you question every single person?

You can do a lot of things with three to four instruments. I gave a list of bands that prove this, many more are out there. End of story.

UltimaLimit

01-15-2005, 12:54 AM

I am a rocker. I prefer bands like Korn, Disturbed, Metallica, Static-X, to name a few. However, I do listen to (and sometimes like) other types of music.

I like rap. I really do. I just wish that some rappers (yeah you Snoop Dogg) (and you 50 Cent) would get it through their heads that you need diversity of topics as well as beats. I've no objection to songs about sex, prostitution, and drugs, but those songs keep on playing every single year. They have different names, beats, and lyrics, but it's basically the same repetitive crap in a different package. And yet every single year they become hits. Honestly, sometimes I wonder if this is the best rap can offer.

Another thing I object to is the language. Rockers often have filthy mouths, and I don't object to the F-word and stuff as long as it doesn't get too rediculous. But Snoop, there's only so many things you can rhyme with "n***a". I don't particularly approve of the way women are treated, either--many popular rap music videos are more or less soft porn with background music--but what really pisses me off is the N-bomb and the repetitive topics in general. I mean, come on--you say you came from the "hood" and you're a "gangsta" or "thug" so you should automatically be respected? Guess what, I lived in a tough neighborhood for a while, too. (Somebody brought a gun to school when I was in kidnergarten for Christ's sake.) I don't walk around flashing gang signs and telling everybody "<img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif> off, n***a, I'm from da hood!" If someone asks, I tell them; if not, I keep my mouth shut. Actions speak louder than words.

While most rap is probably about drugs, sex, and violence...what about rock music? It's mostly about how life sucks and suicide. Please. If you're going to bang on rap like that, you might as well rip other genres that you listen to.You're generalizing quite a bit yourself. Rock does talk about that a bit more than I like, but there are plenty of songs out there that talk about many other things. Especially when you throw in "sub-genres" like punk, grunge, lighter rock, alternative...

I'm not saying that my complaints above hold true to all rap songs, either. I like I.C.P. (though I don't agree with everything they say), and I used to like Eminem until around the time "My Band" came out. (IMO, he's sold out and become the same old crap in white skin. As one magazine put it, "rebels don't have clothing lines".) Anyway, I didn't like them because they were good rappers (though they are), or for their good music (I.C.P., Eminem's beats are nothing special except for Lose Yourself). I liked them because A) they were different from the rest and B) I've yet to hear them say "n***a".

In short? I don't like rap because a lot of them don't have anything to say. Many rappers have talent, but they're wasting it. It's like Picasso becoming a pornographer or something. It's like someone else said, I could search for and find the good rap, but it's too much effort in today's flood of crap.

EDIT: BTW, Li'l Jon actually has said some smart things. "Don't start no <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>, it won't be no <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>" is how I try to live my life, and Wat U Gon Do brought up some good points as well (though I prefer it censored, because of the racial slur.) If Li'l Jon focuses less on partying and saying n***a and focuses more on doing something different, I'll actually buy his CD.

Montoya

01-15-2005, 05:21 AM

I don't necessarily like rap, it get's very annoying to me. Just because it might not suck, does not mean I have to like it more. It doesn't appeal to me. End.

Copycat

01-15-2005, 06:37 AM

I don't like rap at all. Its often played loudly and hurts my ears like hell. Whenever I say, "Hey, could you turn it down?" My classmates always hush me. Thats because the only time I hear rap is on field trips while riding in a parent's car, or even sometimes at school. I'm not exactly to fond of the lyrics either.

That's just my oppinion though. I don't care who likes it, as long as my ears don't get blasted so much that I go deaf or anything.

SNOOP DOG ROX!!!!!
Was there any real point in posting this? :confused:

Fuzakeru

01-15-2005, 07:12 AM

While most rap is probably about drugs, sex, and violence...what about rock music? It's mostly about how life sucks and suicide. Please. If you're going to bang on rap like that, you might as well rip other genres that you listen to.
Actually, I'm a huge rock fan ( modern, alternative, metal, punk, stuff from the 80s and even 70s ) and I'd have to say that most rock songs I've heard ( especially from the 70s/80s era is about violence, drugs, and sex. ^_^; Even bands today sing a lot about violence, drugs, and sex. I'll admit they usually aren't as blunt as a lot of rappers are about it but the same principle still lies.

I understand how it upsets you that people bash on rap without, in most cases, backing up their reasons because I'm a huge Country Music fan and I deal with it all the time. "My wife left me and I lost my trailer so I'm gonna cry and drink a beer," is something I hear quite often and it pisses me off. So if anything, I can understand you. ^_^;

There are a few songs I can get in to but I think it's more for the sound than the actual lyrics, although I'll admit, when I can throw down some rhymes I feel pretty damn proud. xD!
I dislike the rap music that holds no real meaning behind the song other than to inform everyone about how 'ballin' they really are. That's what I hear a lot of lately. "I have ice, whores, and nice cars so don't mess with me or I'll beat you up. ( I don't speak the lingo very well. xD! )" That I don't really care for but there are, like in ever genre, the people who will mess it up for you. There are some country singers I listen to who make me shake my head and go, "And I wonder why people hate country."