I'm so pissed!

[lordblazer]

Ok heres what happen.I'm terying to get my SAM to lvl 12 before tomorrow night for a static.SOem friends helped PLed me ot lvl 10 ok.Now I goto valkruma nd i PT there right
I made a PT there right.Since i was the only guy who could tank i did that.Ok this is what happened.the first tiem our WHM didnt care to cure me and i had 16 HP left instead he cured someone with 40 HP left.I died.THenthe second time the WHM left we got two backup healers and it worked out fine.But heres what happened.THey both cured other people while i had 6 HP left and I had hate on me.I was pissed I fucking dlevel and it just caused a big delay..SO I did what every mad Party leader did.I left the bastards and disbanded the whole PT.Yeah yeah maybe it was an overeaction.But we had this inpantient bitch who was a WHM going if we dont start im leaving blah blah blah and all this other bullhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif.And it always seem to only be in valkrum.Everytime i PT here I deal with incompetence.HEck this were veteran players htis time they had rank 3 rank 4 and rank 5 like I ahd rank 5.THere was no accidents in this I dont believe.Maybe the first time it was but the second time is just bullhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif.Plus I'm not tanking for people who dont care to heal there only damn tank I mean wtf.

[Rostum]

Eh, wait for better parties. There's no use blasting your head off over something like this, it sounded pretty simple you should have left before you deleveled.

Through all my jobs, I usualy just waited around for an hour or so in Valkurm to make sure I got a good party, and I've never had any troubles there.

[lordblazer]

lol WEll i got into anoteh rPT gained my lvl 10 back and we PTed for two hours with no progress lol.

[Luc]

Meh, it happens. Valkurm is usually filled with new people that have never partied before. Once you're out of there, you'll be fine.

You were a Samurai and tanking? You didn't have any other job in your party that could tank?

[Lionx]

Arent there an abundance of WARs at low lvls? >_> Why are you tanking?

This stuff happens.

[Citizen Bleys]

I can tell from your typing. Sleep it off and you'll be nice and sober in the morning. Your head might hurt a little, though.

Probably not a good idea to level sam while pissed, though, it takes concentration.

[UltimateSpamGrover]

thats why I subbed RDM until level 46, for that very reason.

[lordblazer]

I can tell from your typing. Sleep it off and you'll be nice and sober in the morning. Your head might hurt a little, though.

Probably not a good idea to level sam while pissed, though, it takes concentration.
I never drank alocohal before.

[Citizen Bleys]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=joke

[Vaprice]

if you were a tank get used to dying a lot~Especially at that level in valkrum dunes. And it might of been a bit of a distraction of the WHM but just kick him out and find someone who looks to be better. I've had a couple of them in my days.

Their rank means nothing, I don't care if tehy've beaten the Shadow Lord a billion times in 3 seconds they're not better than you or me!

*Because I can beat him in 2 seconds (00) *

Are SAM supposed to even be tanking at those levels?

[lordblazer]

if you were a tank get used to dying a lot~Especially at that level in valkrum dunes. And it might of been a bit of a distraction of the WHM but just kick him out and find someone who looks to be better. I've had a couple of them in my days.

Their rank means nothing, I don't care if tehy've beaten the Shadow Lord a billion times in 3 seconds they're not better than you or me!

*Because I can beat him in 2 seconds (00) *

Are SAM supposed to even be tanking at those levels?

I'm use to dying a lot becuase MY first job was a WAR which i hit 30th with the first job to hit 30 with actually.So you can't tell me what I dopn't know and blah blah blah.I know.I know these things.But no I can't stand bullhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif when a whitemage has 75% MP left and I have less than 10% of my HP left and he cures someone with 60% of ther eHP left.Could you?Thats really the only problem I have with this game when it boils down to people doing there jobs in a PT.ACtually I ended up pretty lucky because most people i know who had failures in the dunes.Lost over 9k EXP.

[Lionx]

While you might feel bad and reached 30(doesnt mean too much) your attitude certainetly reminds me of people that arent so veteran. Its expected that things will not go well when new people start out and need guidance. Give em a kind sugguestion(s) and not demand them to do things this or that way. Get a REAL tank, aka WARs PLDs and NINs(maybe two) and you can backup voke a little. Although as a PLD i can hold hate fine....its just my low HP after getting crits orz.

Help others and actually...dont complain too much, these things happen, we just have to move on or become bitter and hate the Dunes and eventually get sour over some minor thing.

[lordblazer]

While you might feel bad and reached 30(doesnt mean too much) your attitude certainetly reminds me of people that arent so veteran. Its expected that things will not go well when new people start out and need guidance. Give em a kind sugguestion(s) and not demand them to do things this or that way. Get a REAL tank, aka WARs PLDs and NINs(maybe two) and you can backup voke a little. Although as a PLD i can hold hate fine....its just my low HP after getting crits orz.

Help others and actually...dont complain too much, these things happen, we just have to move on or become bitter and hate the Dunes and eventually get sour over some minor thing.
Think i can take option two lol naw just pulling oyur leg there.Yeah I'm not that tough on newbies.But when it comes to experienced players such as myself.They should feel ashame of themselves.Though failures happen,.When they deliberately don't pay attention it irritates me.The only tim eI owuldn't have goten irritated when tt WHM didnt heal me is if we was doing the same repetitive thing for 7 hours.But that was our first fight.And she just logged on.

[Lionx]

OCC: Damn maybe watch what you type? I am having a tough time reading your posts no offense >.<;

I am lvl 57 and i wouldnt even say i am experiened with my job to the fullest. While i certainely do have more knowledge than a newb, i do not know my job well enough. I never casted CureV yet nor have known what to Erase(700K, i gotta get one from BC sometime..). I sometimes forget to put Reraise up and i am slowly correcting that. As well as when theres no RDM, i find it hard to Enfeeble, Enhance(Haste cycle), as well as Heal without breaking the routine as i would without a RDM. Good thing SMNs back me up...BLMs rarely do ._.; Reaching 30 isnt that high...hell i didnt even reach 60 yet and i feel i aint that high and know little as every 10 lvls things jump in difficulty.

Unless people are just tired or idiots, they will not deliberately do that stuff. Plus what if that person is playing a new job and needs to learn? Taru DRKs and Elvaan DRKs have different equips and sometimes different races dont know what equips they need on their race and they also need to be accustomed to their jobs. Everyone(including me) is a newb to a job they havent played and learns with everyone else on Valkurm. Some pick up faster, and some slower....just offer sugguestions to help smooth the rough parts. Especially if its the first fight...have heart and patience.

EDIT: Also ever heard of midcasting on someone, then you get Crit? Theres a 5 second recast on Cure...its not as easy being a main healer til you actually become one and learn...although sometimes lessons are at the cost of another's death ><;

[lordblazer]

levels are a factor of experience.But gameplay and how long oyu have been playing and really all the different experiences accumilated.Add into this.Its not a matter of game experience in my opinion.Its a matter of a person not realising they are doing something bigger than themselves when they are in a PT.

[Lionx]

There are people around my lvl that dont know what to do either and are just clueless even at this high lvl even though its not as common at this lvl because most learn. If its not a matter of game experience they why say you are lvl 30 as to prove something? @_@;


Its a matter of a person not realising they are doing something bigger than themselves when they are in a PT.

I dont understand what you are saying, that they think of themselves and not the PT?

[Ouch!]

Levels mean next to nothing. There's plenty of idiots who will simply float by. I've seen a L30 WAR with a L1 MNK sub. I see people with horrible sub choices who aren't doing a different sub because they want to be different, they're a WAR subbing WHM because they think it'll make them like a PLD. There are idiots no matter what level you're at. People can float by pretty well even if they're half-assing it. Heck, gaming experience doesn't even mean much. You can have hundreds of gameplay hours under your belt and still be a complete and total idiot.

As far as bad parties, damn man, you're in Valkurm. What are you expecting?

[lordblazer]

is Bard subbing Thief a horrible move?

[Rostum]

is Bard subbing Thief a horrible move?

You should know, after all, you are the big bad FFXI player with all the experience you need.

[lordblazer]

Ok I wasn't saying I was the high and mighty experienced veteran.I never said that.I said by the time you level up to 30.Thats more than enough to know what your job does and what someone elses does.When your in valkrum dunes.Because by then you learn that everyones actions in a PT affects you directly and indirectly.That means basicly players teach each other how to play through action.As you get higher levels yeah things change a lot.So does the role of ones job.but omecle you wanna be a smartass go ahead.

[Rostum]

I said by the time you level up to 30.Thats more than enough to know what your job does and what someone elses does.When your in valkrum dunes.Because by then you learn that everyones actions in a PT affects you directly and indirectly.That means basicly players teach each other how to play through action.

So then, you haven't learnt what a good subjob for a Bard is, because?

[lordblazer]

yeah i tend to not argue with idiots such as yourself.

[Rostum]

yeah i tend to not argue with idiots such as yourself.

Well, I guess if that's how you want to deal with things. I was seriously just wondering why, if you claimed to have all this experience and knowledge about other classes by level 30, you wouldn't know about a good subjob for a Bard.

But I guess you'd rather just flame me.

[Big D]

Hey guys...
KNOCK IT OFF!!!

There, my first-ever post in the FFXI forum. What a way to start. :mad2:

[Lionx]

Well to be honest lordblazer i really thought you knew judging from your posts that BRD/WHM is the most optimal sub and you were doing /THF for your own thing. Its not that surprising that Omecle thought that way, the tone and manner of the posts seem to indicate you did, but in case you didnt YES /WHM is the most optimal sub for a BRD.

Well at lvl 30 there are still people clueless...lvl 30 is just the big drop off where MOST players do have a sense in what to do. Its just the lvl where the n00bness starts to drop off the most although even at my lvl theres newbs too...and i am 57 so lvl usually doesnt mean too much. Yes higher lvls and rank and gameplay...etc USUALLY means its better...but not always..

Valkurm being the place where you first party...well duh "stupid" things will happen...and sometimes its not their fault, they just dont know...and certainetly will never know should someone yell in their faces they suck and to provoke/heal/etc.

I hope you got my point...these things just....well happen. We can either deal with it or just let it bother us.

[Citizen Bleys]

Actually, RDM isn't a bad sub for bard, either, especially if you melee. Enspells make your damage less pathetic (with sword, dagger, or Shellbuster, don't even bother with a Signa/elemental staff), and Fast Cast is godly later on (For some reason, it seems to make 0 difference in the 30s)...Problem is, you give up Poisona. I sub whm *exclusively* for poisona. (That, and my rdm's only 22, and I'd rather level bard some more than work on a subjob)

EDIT: On the other hand, if I could count on Poisona not being needed, I'd level rdm for Fast Cast. 6 seconds instead of 8 may not *seem* like much on a bard song, but when the party's waiting for Finale so that they do more than 0 dmg on a crab...

[Lionx]

RDM isnt bad but WHM is a much more preferred one. I mean you learn CureII at lvl 22 for WHM sub, yet as a RDM its freaking lvl 28...and that sorta hurts. Not to mention Paralyna and Poisona(which you said). Also there are Bar-spells in which you might want when fighting gobs and you arent always going to get a WHM. WHM also offers more MP to the MP-less BRD. I am sure just 2 seconds isnt going to kill anyone on the Finale...

Also, Dispel is at lvl 66 is it not? Either that or 64, but its a trade off. Do you want Dispel? or Erase? Depends on the situation i guess.

[lordblazer]

RDM isnt bad but WHM is a much more preferred one. I mean you learn CureII at lvl 22 for WHM sub, yet as a RDM its freaking lvl 28...and that sorta hurts. Not to mention Paralyna and Poisona(which you said). Also there are Bar-spells in which you might want when fighting gobs and you arent always going to get a WHM. WHM also offers more MP to the MP-less BRD. I am sure just 2 seconds isnt going to kill anyone on the Finale...

Also, Dispel is at lvl 66 is it not? Either that or 64, but its a trade off. Do you want Dispel? or Erase? Depends on the situation i guess.
I lov ehte rrefresh that RDM offers.Subbing Thief I mainly use whenever im NM hunting or doing other events that involved getting items using TH.

[Lionx]

Unfortunetly subbing RDM wont give you Refresh...

i thought you used /THF for main? @_@

[Citizen Bleys]

Why would a Bard need Dispel when we have Finale?

And yes, Lionx is right...you wouldn't get Refresh from rdm sub, unless S-E raises the level cap to 85. Besides, that's what double Ballad is for.

[Misfit]

Subbing Thief I mainly use whenever im NM hunting or doing other events that involved getting items using TH.
I SAW YOU EXP PARTYING AS A BRD/THF! Like, three times!

Hi. ^_^

[Lionx]

Why would a Bard need Dispel when we have Finale?

Monster buffs again and again...and your long recast time compared to Dispel.

[Lich3636]

rember alwase look on the brite side of life dodo dodo dododo lifes a piece of http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif when you look at it lifes a laugh and death a joke its true alwase look on the brite side of life dodo dodo dododo if life seems jolly rotten theres something youve forgoten and thats to laugh and dance and smile and sing its true alwase look on the brite side of life dodo dodo dododo life is quite absurd and thats the final world you must alwase face the curtin with a bang but keep them laughing as you go just rember the last laugh is on you alwase look on the brite side of death dodo dodo dododo just befor you take your terminal breath dodo dodo dododo alwase look on the brite side of life dodo dodo dododo

[lordblazer]

Monster buffs again and again...and your long recast time compared to Dispel.
Yeah us bard have reallly loooong re-cast times.Does anyone knows the macro that checks the recasting time?

[Lionx]

Easy

/recast "Insert ability here"


@ Lich:

O.o

[lordblazer]

ok spell macro here then

/wait 3
/recast "ability"

[Lionx]

Useless, just put it as a seperate macro that you can spam all the time.

If you want to do it that way, dont use /recast at all. Do /echo Finale Ready! at the end of the /wait. As long as you didnt use any macros the echo will go through.

[Citizen Bleys]

rember alwase look on the brite side of life dodo dodo dododo lifes a piece of http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif when you look at it lifes a laugh and death a joke its true alwase look on the brite side of life dodo dodo dododo if life seems jolly rotten theres something youve forgoten and thats to laugh and dance and smile and sing its true alwase look on the brite side of life dodo dodo dododo life is quite absurd and thats the final world you must alwase face the curtin with a bang but keep them laughing as you go just rember the last laugh is on you alwase look on the brite side of death dodo dodo dododo just befor you take your terminal breath dodo dodo dododo alwase look on the brite side of life dodo dodo dododo

Drugs are bad and spelling is good.

[Lich3636]

LIES

[lordblazer]

Useless, just put it as a seperate macro that you can spam all the time.

If you want to do it that way, dont use /recast at all. Do /echo Finale Ready! at the end of the /wait. As long as you didnt use any macros the echo will go through.
thanks lionx.You saved me a ton of time and effort lol its time to get to my static oh wait nvm cant tonight I have to pack for atlanta.